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Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

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  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-17 23:14 +0000
    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 00:12 +0000
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 00:58 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 19:29 -0600
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 02:00 -0600
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 02:08 -0600
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 14:29 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:22 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:29 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:45 +0000
                  NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
                    NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-15 04:31 +0000
                      Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-15 11:26 +0000
                        Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-16 04:51 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-20 20:55 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-20 16:02 -0500
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 01:14 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:34 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-23 19:23 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:24 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-28 19:16 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-30 05:18 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 00:32 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 20:41 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:49 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:46 -0600
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:38 -0600
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 15:50 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:59 -0600
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 22:06 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 16:09 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:07 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:27 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 19:16 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 20:58 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 21:11 -0600
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 +0000
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:34 -0600
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 11:54 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 07:51 -0600
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:49 -0600
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 13:39 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 08:19 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-24 06:10 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-01-25 09:14 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:02 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 19:30 -0600
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:14 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 15:54 -0600
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 16:41 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 23:08 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 23:37 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 06:11 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:04 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:48 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:33 +0000
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-28 08:23 -0600
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:43 +0000
                                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-29 22:41 -0600
                                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:34 +0000
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:26 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-26 03:56 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:09 -0600
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 09:49 -0500
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-25 10:07 -0800
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:51 -0600
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:43 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:18 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:21 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-25 23:21 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:36 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <XxuB8T967dUpoKQ8.R9P892p5GIKabIS11TMpG7N8dpaGh90cjaXByxpT@dont-email.me> - 2019-01-20 22:09 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:14 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-25 16:34 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 11:49 -0500
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:02 -0600
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:41 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:14 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:08 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:11 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:17 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:16 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-25 20:41 +0100
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-27 02:02 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-02-15 19:15 -0600
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:21 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:25 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-03 02:31 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-18 04:18 +0000
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:01 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:27 -0600
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-20 23:56 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-21 12:11 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 01:27 -0600
                  OT: .sig.   Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 01:34 -0600
                    Re: OT: .sig.   Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:39 -0500
                      Re: OT: .sig.   Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:04 -0600
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-23 09:05 +0100
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 02:25 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-23 10:30 +0100
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:40 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-28 01:33 -0600
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-28 11:50 +0100
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-30 05:24 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-03 08:08 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-04 05:45 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-08 07:33 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-30 09:04 +0100
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 12:18 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:13 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:17 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-25 14:49 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-27 20:36 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:27 +0000

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#52851

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9DDF34D2F0CDHT1@tiM3M.m6o9fu8xr89l97AE0sk20s4yC1cygu36nA0R6>
In reply to#52753
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
news:slrnq43qj1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:01:53
GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> Diesel wrote:
>> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net
>>> I'm only going to respond to you, Diesel, and not to the drivel
>>> who may follow in your wake (e.g., Cybe R. Wizard, Dan Purgert,
>>> Jolly Roger, Tim Streater, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, nospam,
>>> haemactylus, Char Jackson, Rene Lamontagne, et al.), simply
>>> because the response to any one of you is the same as the
>>> response to all. 
>>
>> I know some of the individuals you mentioned from prior 
>> conversations. At no time have I found any of the aforementioned 
>> people to be stupid, though. I don't even consider David Brooks
>> or the Anoncoward stupid. misguided, certainly, but, stupid, heh,
>> no. 
> 
> I'm definitely stupid, the proof is in responding to arlen.
> 
> Or is that insane?  

You aren't stupid in the way in which Arlen is trying to paint 
others, including myself. Everyone is ignorant in something or other 
and that's a fixable condition. Stupid, oth, can't be fixed.

Maybe a slight case of insanity, or, you get some form of enjoyment 
watching Arlen squirm? I know I do. :)
 
>> Oh please, you don't think those people know you're trying to
>> kiss their ass cheeks? You'd love it if they'd just give you
>> complete step by step instructions for each problem you present. 
> 
> Don't they do just that?  I mean, I know Marek was quite thourough
> when he was explaining something, and Mike is as well.

To a point, yes. And it seems that some do like that sort of 
attention, sadly. Despite their lengthly efforts to explain things, 
Arlen still isn't making viable progress.
 
>>  
>>> I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you
>>> know, I worked for decades in the Silicon Valley [...]
> 
> Oh, California.  This explains so very much.A
> 
> Prop 65 warning - Usenet is known to the state of California to
> cause cancer.

Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education 
level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he hung 
around with weren't native Cali residents. [g]
 
> Just in case, I'd add "arduino doesn't count", personally. It has
> a pretty hefty amount of "help".

Arduino is just uber cool. I wish things like that existed when I was 
a kiddo. 
 
>> That's another problem you have, Arlen. Various people you've 
>> mentioned, including the likes of Mike Easter do infact know me,
>> and they also know I'm not full of shit. Mike knows alot about
>> me, actually. Even including some.. not so nice things I'm
>> responsible for. 
> 
> Great Lord Cthulhu, you're not involved with systemd are you?

Oh, by no means. I did some terrible things, but, not that. :)
 
>> ROFL. I've been moving data back and forth between Windows,
>> Linux, Android, and the god awful (I'm not an apple fan) macOS
>> for years Arlen. It's not new to me, and not something I recently
>> learned how to do. 
> 
> I think I was maybe six when I learned one could click and drag a
> document from "go away this is my stuff" to "A:/".

Umm. It sounds like there's a bit of a difference in our age then. :) 
My first computer didn't know what click and drag was using the OS 
included on it's rom chips. Booting into the OS-9 operating system 
allowed for use of a mouse though, amongst other things. My second 
computer wasn't really beefy enough to be running windows 2x,3x 
families. It was semi okay with desqview or geo. Not much else. You 
can only get so much out of a 286 10megahertz chip. [g] But, it was a 
super speed demon compared to my first computer and had so much more 
capability, so I couldn't complain. I added a 40meg (yea, megabyte) 
hard drive via an 8bit controller card, a paradise svga 512k 16bit 
isa card (it rocked for it's time!!!), a soundblaster 16 (one of the 
best xmas presents I've ever had). That 286 ran a board and was my 
first PC compatible where I learned to code in assembler and asic. I 
dabbled with a little c/c++ on it too. Learned how to reverse 
engineer software with that machine, actually.

I also used it for some wonky electronics projects that'd I'd control 
and or monitor from one of it's two serial ports. (com1,com2). It's 
mainboard actually had rudimentary protection circuitry on those 
ports, so it was perfect that. Little risk of messing something up if 
your external circuit failed, or, you accidently connected it reverse 
polarity. [g]
 
> Maybe about ten when I learned "ctrl+A -> right click -> select
> 'print'" would print all the things without opening them. (Major
> apologies in advance for triggering a new "tutorial".)

You were ten when you could just bring down a menu and click print, 
and like magic, you got something cool on the paper right? I bet it 
was even in color. [g]

My first printer was a 9pin dot matrix. And, there was no right click 
menu print option for the computer it was attached to, unless I was 
in os9 and the app I was using supported it. :) You might say it 
could print a primitive form of grayscale with alot of coding effort, 
but, color wasn't an option for it.
 
>>  [...]
>>> Do you see I'm swimming in a sea of fools, Diesel?
>>
>> You're swimming alone, actually. 
> 
> With sharks (do do do do ... OHGOD MAKE IT STOP!)

I can't. :(
 
>> [...]
>> and perhaps that of a few neighbors who come to you for
>> assistance. 
> 
> Perish the thought.

It is a scary one, now that I think about it. So far, he seems to be 
about as useful as jpegs to helen keller


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#52853

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-20 23:56 -0600
Message-ID<20190120235605.6bfbdbda@WizardsTower>
In reply to#52851
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:51:30 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education 
> level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he hung 
> around with weren't native Cali residents. 

Back when my daughters were 6 and 9 (they're 35 and 32 now) the
local print media provided a sample of the Cali. public school teacher's
test that the teachers were almost ready to strike over.  

Both daughters took the (admittedly just a sample) test, both passed.
Elder Daughter, just 9, aced it.  Don't bother listening to anyone
touting the high level of education availability in California.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
The very spring and root of honesty and virtue lie in good education.
	Plutarch

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#52939

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9DFE89EA7C1AHT1@W16kYv1rRSJE8jvqEhZt0zD82SVXZMn50L6rW.ou8tbQ5blja.w039V52zg>
In reply to#52853
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
news:20190120235605.6bfbdbda@WizardsTower Mon, 21 Jan 2019 05:56:05
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:51:30 -0000 (UTC)
> Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> 
>> Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education
>> level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he
>> hung around with weren't native Cali residents. 
> 
> Back when my daughters were 6 and 9 (they're 35 and 32 now) the
> local print media provided a sample of the Cali. public school
> teacher's test that the teachers were almost ready to strike over.
>  
> 
> Both daughters took the (admittedly just a sample) test, both
> passed. Elder Daughter, just 9, aced it.  Don't bother listening
> to anyone touting the high level of education availability in
> California. 
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

It's that bad huh? I'd heard stories about it for years. I do remember 
one student who moved from cali to my home state when I was in the 7th 
grade. I thought the individual was joking with us when they explained 
that they hadn't begun doing various things we already started in 4th 
grade and were well into by the time we got to 7th grade. Alot of the 
stem stuff, it didn't have a name back then like that. We called it 
science class. [g]


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#52858

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-01-21 12:11 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq4bdmt.k38.dan@xps-linux.djph.net>
In reply to#52851
Diesel wrote:
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
> news:slrnq43qj1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:01:53
> GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
>
>> Diesel wrote:
>>> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net
> [...]
> Maybe a slight case of insanity, or, you get some form of enjoyment 
> watching Arlen squirm? I know I do. :)

Schadenfreude is a powerful force... 

(aside, ugh, goddammit slrn, you're not supposed to write the messageid
like that ... )
>  
>>> Oh please, you don't think those people know you're trying to
>>> kiss their ass cheeks? You'd love it if they'd just give you
>>> complete step by step instructions for each problem you present. 
>> 
>> Don't they do just that?  I mean, I know Marek was quite thourough
>> when he was explaining something, and Mike is as well.
>
> To a point, yes. And it seems that some do like that sort of 
> attention, sadly. Despite their lengthly efforts to explain things, 
> Arlen still isn't making viable progress.

I miss Marek, tbh.  Was a good guy to chat with on the odd occasion that
something non-Usenet-worthy came up.
>  
>>>  
>>>> I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you
>>>> know, I worked for decades in the Silicon Valley [...]
>> 
>> Oh, California.  This explains so very much.A
>> 
>> Prop 65 warning - Usenet is known to the state of California to
>> cause cancer.
>
> Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education 
> level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he hung 
> around with weren't native Cali residents. [g]

Nope, I'm still hoping that either 

  * Trump can get that wall built around CA and then just give it to MX
  * That earthquake we were promised for 2013 knocks CA off the coast.

Movies aren't doing so hot on their predictions for the future though.
>  
>> Just in case, I'd add "arduino doesn't count", personally. It has
>> a pretty hefty amount of "help".
>
> Arduino is just uber cool. I wish things like that existed when I was 
> a kiddo. 

IKR!  My point though was that it (the IDE anyway) makes programming the
boards relatively trivial.

Not good enough to use makefiles / avrdude / etc. by hand yet, though I
have moved away from the Arduino IDE to Microchip's; so I can start
playing around with their new (non-compatible with Arduino) "1-series"
ATTiny chips.

>  
>>> That's another problem you have, Arlen. Various people you've 
>>> mentioned, including the likes of Mike Easter do infact know me,
>>> and they also know I'm not full of shit. Mike knows alot about
>>> me, actually. Even including some.. not so nice things I'm
>>> responsible for. 
>> 
>> Great Lord Cthulhu, you're not involved with systemd are you?
>
> Oh, by no means. I did some terrible things, but, not that. :)

Oh good.  I didn't want to have to write you off as one of _them_.

>  
>>> ROFL. I've been moving data back and forth between Windows,
>>> Linux, Android, and the god awful (I'm not an apple fan) macOS
>>> for years Arlen. It's not new to me, and not something I recently
>>> learned how to do. 
>> 
>> I think I was maybe six when I learned one could click and drag a
>> document from "go away this is my stuff" to "A:/".
>
> Umm. It sounds like there's a bit of a difference in our age then. :) 

Come to think of it, my recollection is flawed - but yeah, I'm
definitely a bit younger than you.  I would've been more like 10 when
that happened (Windows 3.xx / 95). 

Computer we had when I was six was a Commodore 64.  I didn't really _do_
much on it though.  Best I had accomplished was copying a game from a
book.  I think it was a "learn to program" book or something, that by
the end you had a working game.  Or something like that.  I just
remember a lot of 

  10 DO THING
  20 NEXT THING
  30 IF OTHERTHING THEN
  40 GOTO 400
  50 ELSE ...


> [...] I added a 40meg (yea, megabyte) 
> hard drive via an 8bit controller card, a paradise svga 512k 16bit 

I always wanted a voodoo, but by the time I could afford a computer,
they had died :(

> [...]
> I also used it for some wonky electronics projects that'd I'd control 
> and or monitor from one of it's two serial ports. (com1,com2). It's 
> mainboard actually had rudimentary protection circuitry on those 
> ports, so it was perfect that. Little risk of messing something up if 
> your external circuit failed, or, you accidently connected it reverse 
> polarity. [g]

Heh, that's actually what I'm playing with right now -- there's a model
train control system based around PIC microcontrollers, wherein the
micro programming isn't open; but the guy who wrote it freely gave away
the external PC-to-microcontroller comms protocol (based on RS485).

There _is_ an arduino-based rewrite, and while it works out pretty well,
the approach is a bit convoluted.  Or maybe I just don't understand the
brilliance of it :)

>  
>> Maybe about ten when I learned "ctrl+A -> right click -> select
>> 'print'" would print all the things without opening them. (Major
>> apologies in advance for triggering a new "tutorial".)
>
> You were ten when you could just bring down a menu and click print, 
> and like magic, you got something cool on the paper right? I bet it 
> was even in color. [g]

No, when I could open a directory containing say a dozen documents and
by selecting all of them (e.g. with ctrl+a), could use the "print"
option from the right-click context menu and get all 12 of them to print
without needing to open each document individually.

No color either - it meant swapping the cartridge from the (expensive!)
black to the (even more expensive) color ink.  We were only allowed to
use it for a one-page coversheet for school projects.

>
> My first printer was a 9pin dot matrix. And, there was no right click 
> menu print option for the computer it was attached to, unless I was 
> in os9 and the app I was using supported it. :) You might say it 
> could print a primitive form of grayscale with alot of coding effort, 
> but, color wasn't an option for it.

I keep meaning to get a dot-matrix and greenbar, for reasons.


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#52940

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9DFE89F14E22HT1@W16kYv1rRSJE8jvqEhZt0zD82SVXZMn50L6rW.ou8tbQ5blja.w039V52zg>
In reply to#52858
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
news:slrnq4bdmt.k38.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Mon, 21 Jan 2019 12:11:09
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Diesel wrote:
>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>> news:slrnq43qj1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019
>> 15:01:53 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
>>
>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
>>>> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net 
>> [...]
>> Maybe a slight case of insanity, or, you get some form of
>> enjoyment watching Arlen squirm? I know I do. :)
> 
> Schadenfreude is a powerful force... 
> 
> (aside, ugh, goddammit slrn, you're not supposed to write the
> messageid like that ... )

Don't blame your client on the messageid line wrap issue. It could be 
mine. I've forced my client, at virtual gunpoint (take that 
Anoncoward, I'll blast my usenet client in the fucking face if it 
says no. NO mercy, .357 right in the fucking face!!! uber uber)

I like messing with my anonymous cowardly stalker, so I make things 
interesting for them from time to time. I wrote a small pile of 
little programs that do various things with xnews data files that 
xnews won't lemme do via it's gui. :)

Since i don't have xnews source code, I had to make my changes at an 
external level, rather than internal one. Nearly everything in my 
headers is configurable now. Batch que sends of posts in whatever 
order, including random I like; even being able to select posts as a 
pile to be sent before or after another pile at whatever time i like. 

quick searching saved articles, sent articles, entire threads it has 
a local copy of, that sort of thing. very useful. I've reverse 
engineered the hell out of this client. And, it even works using Wine 
on the linux distro's I run on a daily basis. So far, all the little 
programs I've written to interact with it's configuration and/or data 
files does as well. I am working on retooling them to become native 
elf binaries though. It'll be a little silly that xnews runs under 
wine, but the little hacking tools I wrote don't need it. lol.

> I miss Marek, tbh.  Was a good guy to chat with on the odd
> occasion that something non-Usenet-worthy came up.

Agreed.

>   * Trump can get that wall built around CA and then just give it
>   to MX * That earthquake we were promised for 2013 knocks CA off
>   the coast. 

LOL!!!
 
[snip]

>> Arduino is just uber cool. I wish things like that existed when I
>> was a kiddo. 
> 
> IKR!  My point though was that it (the IDE anyway) makes
> programming the boards relatively trivial.
> 
> Not good enough to use makefiles / avrdude / etc. by hand yet,
> though I have moved away from the Arduino IDE to Microchip's; so I
> can start playing around with their new (non-compatible with
> Arduino) "1-series" ATTiny chips.

Sweet.. Still, IDE or not, Arduino is fun to play with. I wouldn't 
have any issue personally if you shared source code or design layouts 
or what not related to it. We might want to use another newsgroup for 
that, but, I wouldn't mind. I don't consider it hello world grade 
newbie bullshit, fwiw, either.
 
> Oh good.  I didn't want to have to write you off as one of _them_.

Nah. I did some very immature things for a few years in the late 90s, 
early 00. Wrote some rather nasty code of a self replicating nature
along with some very choice comments in a vx interview and on usenet 
concerning the work. I'm sure the Anoncoward (it's a stalking groupie 
of sorts, they really want me; I hope it's a girl...one can never 
quite tell these days until it could be too late) will be around here 
to share some posts describing what I did, and all kinds of things I 
didn't do as well (it's really not picky) Just give them a little 
time. They've gotta put just the right snippits together. [g]

> Computer we had when I was six was a Commodore 64.  I didn't
> really _do_ much on it though.  Best I had accomplished was
> copying a game from a book.  I think it was a "learn to program"
> book or something, that by the end you had a working game.  Or
> something like that.  

The first computer I owned was the Tandy Color Computer 3. Aka, the 
Coco3. The Commodore 64 was superior to it in some aspects. I 
wouldn't have minded an Amiga based system though. Despite Amiga 
having the least in common with any of the other two in so far as a 
gateway to the PC world. by PC, I mean Intel compatible.

> I just remember a lot of 
> 
>   10 DO THING
>   20 NEXT THING
>   30 IF OTHERTHING THEN
>   40 GOTO 400
>   50 ELSE ...

And hoping there aren't any typos in the printed source code as you 
continue keying it all in.
 
> 
>> [...] I added a 40meg (yea, megabyte) 
>> hard drive via an 8bit controller card, a paradise svga 512k
>> 16bit 
> 
> I always wanted a voodoo, but by the time I could afford a
> computer, they had died :(

I had a voodoo2 paired with a diamond viper on a FIC-VA 503+ 
mainboard running an AMD k6/2-350 machine with 512megs of ram at the 
time, 80gig IDE based hard drive, dvd burner (4x I think it was, may 
have been a little faster) in a mid tower, running Windows 98se. It 
rocked for Need for speed, hot pursuit. The graphics amazed me.

I built the rig during my lunch break at a place I worked at the 
time, as (oh the irony) a certified (I got my first Novell cert when 
I was still in high school, hehehehe) computer technician. Got it for 
cost of parts, no labor (as I'd assembled it myself, rofl) and sales 
tax. 

> Heh, that's actually what I'm playing with right now -- there's a
> model train control system based around PIC microcontrollers,
> wherein the micro programming isn't open; but the guy who wrote it
> freely gave away the external PC-to-microcontroller comms protocol
> (based on RS485). 
> 
> There _is_ an arduino-based rewrite, and while it works out pretty
> well, the approach is a bit convoluted.  Or maybe I just don't
> understand the brilliance of it :)

You like model trains too? I had several when I was a kiddo myself. I 
was really into them. I was into anything that ran on electricity 
though, batteries or plugged in. I had to know how it worked. The 
first time a good bite knocked me clear across the room, I had to 
know HOW AND WHY it did that. A normal kid I think would have not 
touched another screwdriver and gone anywhere near something like 
that again. Not me. I was hooked. [g]

> No, when I could open a directory containing say a dozen documents
> and by selecting all of them (e.g. with ctrl+a), could use the
> "print" option from the right-click context menu and get all 12 of
> them to print without needing to open each document individually.

Oh, Okay. I gotcha. I remember writing a pile of Lprint ,port, value, 
text string, etc commands to my first printer. The coco3 didn't use a 
mouse unless you were running a very specific program to do it. And, 
with 128k total of memory and floppy or cassette as your only data 
storage options, you didn't do much gui based printing. [g]

The 512k expansion pack and os-9 changed that though. It provided a 
very cool for it's time GUI based operating system that actually did 
multi task via cpu time slicing, on a pitiful standard speed 
1megahertz chip; but you could poke it to overclock at 2megaherts 
speed, if you wanted. You could also overclock the floppy drive 
controller card as well as leave the floppy drive spindle motor 
running when the drive wasn't in use to max out the load/save time on 
your machine.
 
>> My first printer was a 9pin dot matrix. And, there was no right
>> click menu print option for the computer it was attached to,
>> unless I was in os9 and the app I was using supported it. :) You
>> might say it could print a primitive form of grayscale with alot
>> of coding effort, but, color wasn't an option for it.
> 
> I keep meaning to get a dot-matrix and greenbar, for reasons.

They can still be handy today. 


-- 
My memory sucks, so I changed my computer password to incorrect.  
That way if I forget it, it tells me "your password is incorrect".

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#52945

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 01:27 -0600
Message-ID<20190123012705.7eabc3ef@WizardsTower>
In reply to#52940
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 03:49:13 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> I was into anything that ran on electricity 
> though, batteries or plugged in. I had to know how it worked. The 
> first time a good bite knocked me clear across the room, I had to 
> know HOW AND WHY it did that. A normal kid I think would have not 
> touched another screwdriver and gone anywhere near something like 
> that again. Not me. I was hooked. [g]

A normal kid would say, "I'll never do that again."

A sciency kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens," and do it
again.

A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens," and
sends another kid to do it again.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
"Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?"
	Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory"

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#52946 — OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on...

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 01:34 -0600
SubjectOT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on...
Message-ID<20190123013410.09771d22@WizardsTower>
In reply to#52945
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:27:05 -0600
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

> "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?"
> 	Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory"

Clearly that should  read, "...Big Bang Theory."

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
With any new medium, the full power is only unearthed with
experimentation. 
	Sebastian Thrun

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#52950 — Re: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on...

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 03:39 -0500
SubjectRe: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on...
Message-ID<q29983$ev7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#52946
Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:27:05 -0600
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?"
>> 	Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory"
> 
> Clearly that should  read, "...Big Bang Theory."
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

Maybe the .sig came from the Big Band era,
Guy Lombardo, Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko

    Paul

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#52952 — Re: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on...

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 03:04 -0600
SubjectRe: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on...
Message-ID<20190123030455.3a2f9d8e@WizardsTower>
In reply to#52950
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 03:39:33 -0500
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:27:05 -0600
> > "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> >> "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?"
> >> 	Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory"  
> > 
> > Clearly that should  read, "...Big Bang Theory."
> > 
> > Cybe R. Wizard  
> 
> Maybe the .sig came from the Big Band era,
> Guy Lombardo, Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko
> 
>     Paul

	:-)

New old from Austria:
http://www.rat-bigband.at/

Hear here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9lMaGdE0Ys (but it's 80s music, not
BB era)

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
I started a big band when grunge was popular. I mean, that didn't make
much sense. 
	Brian Setzer

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#52947

From"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Date2019-01-23 09:05 +0100
Message-ID<q29795$r0i$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#52945
Cybe,

> A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens,"
> and sends another kid to do it again.

I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that way.  When I 
was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a current passing thru a 
wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by mistake, touched a the innards 
of a switch and that was what I got.  Hence the experiment to verify my 
train of thought).

So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked my brother 
to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly touch the other side 
with the other wire.   Just a light jolt, right  (hey, I was still alive) ?

Luckily he refused.  Had he actually grabbed it there would have been a 50% 
chance he would have had the live wire, and would not have been able to 
release it anymore ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#52949

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 02:25 -0600
Message-ID<20190123022518.2d76c7ee@WizardsTower>
In reply to#52947
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:05:45 +0100
"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote:

> Cybe,
> 
> > A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens,"
> > and sends another kid to do it again.  
> 
> I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that way.
> When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a current
> passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by mistake,
> touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I got.  Hence the
> experiment to verify my train of thought).
> 
> So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked my
> brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly touch
> the other side with the other wire.   Just a light jolt, right  (hey,
> I was still alive) ?
> 
> Luckily he refused.  Had he actually grabbed it there would have been
> a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not have been
> able to release it anymore ...
> 
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser
> 
Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity?

Electricians.

They know better.

Cybe R. Wizard -has been hit with 110v, 20 amp, but just one finger 
-- 
My other car is a Chandler MetalSmith Mark III

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#52953

From"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Date2019-01-23 10:30 +0100
Message-ID<q29c87$1hjj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#52949
Cybe,

> Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity?
>
> Electricians.
>
> They know better.

I only got that chance a number of years later.  Where I once slapped the 
hand of a teacher away which (I thought) was reaching towards the open(!) 
work he had to mark and was conneced to the 220v mains.

I have to give it to him though, he only looked sideways at me (I only now 
realise a bit amused, not funny) but did not say a word when I stumbled over 
my haste to explained why I did it.

Yes, I started life as an electrician.  :-)

But to be honest, I would not have trusted a few of my thanwhile classmates 
with a 9 volt battery, let alone 220v mains.  Their idea of "Funny" was to 
charge a few 10-thousands of uF (half the size of a fuzzy drink) with an 
high enough voltage and try to touch others with it.   A kind of of a one 
(big!) zap taser.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#52954

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-23 03:40 -0600
Message-ID<20190123034021.464512bf@WizardsTower>
In reply to#52953
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:30:24 +0100
"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote:

> Their idea of "Funny" was to 
> charge a few 10-thousands of uF (half the size of a fuzzy drink) with
> an high enough voltage and try to touch others with it.   A kind of
> of a one (big!) zap taser.

Luckily the contact terminals are close together.  Otherwise,
possibly fatal.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
I am an expert of electricity. My father occupied the chair of applied
electricity at the state prison. 
	W. C. Fields

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#53263

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9E55DABFEA6HT1@u0ECeNR06M8rvC48OAE0PoWATk.R71Y3.1XH5k>
In reply to#52949
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
news:20190123022518.2d76c7ee@WizardsTower Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:25:18
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:05:45 +0100
> "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote:
> 
>> Cybe,
>> 
>> > A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always
>> > happens," and sends another kid to do it again.  
>> 
>> I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that
>> way. When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a
>> current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once,
>> by mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I
>> got.  Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought).
>> 
>> So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked
>> my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly
>> touch the other side with the other wire.   Just a light jolt,
>> right  (hey, I was still alive) ?
>> 
>> Luckily he refused.  Had he actually grabbed it there would have
>> been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not
>> have been able to release it anymore ...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Rudy Wieser
>> 
> Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity?
> 
> Electricians.
> 
> They know better.

ROFL! I'll have to share some stories of jobsites with you sometime. 
[g]
 
> Cybe R. Wizard -has been hit with 110v, 20 amp, but just one
> finger 

hehehehe...you just got a little sting. [g]
try 3phase 480 sometime. No, just kidding, don't really do that. 

208 sucks, 240 sucks... 277 is a pisser. but, 480... oh, she's 
another fucker altogether. A real bitch. Oh the arcs.. oh the 
memories. lol




-- 
Death is life's answer to the question 'Why?'

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#53276

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-01-28 01:33 -0600
Message-ID<20190128013336.5d717176@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53263
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:30:57 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
> news:20190123022518.2d76c7ee@WizardsTower Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:25:18
> GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
> 
[...]
> >>   
> > Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity?
> > 
> > Electricians.
> > 
> > They know better.  
> 
> ROFL! I'll have to share some stories of jobsites with you sometime. 
> [g]
>  
> > Cybe R. Wizard -has been hit with 110v, 20 amp, but just one
> > finger   
> 
> hehehehe...you just got a little sting. [g]
> try 3phase 480 sometime. No, just kidding, don't really do that. 

I  was once right beside a guy who accidentally shorted the tip of his
screwdriver on some 440 3 phase (5 ton A/C)  once.  No physical
contact, just the big sunburst, but it did sunburn one side of his
fact, one arm and removed one eyebrow in that brightly-lit instant.
> 
> 208 sucks, 240 sucks... 277 is a pisser. but, 480... oh, she's 
> another fucker altogether. A real bitch. Oh the arcs.. oh the 
> memories. lol
> 
[...]

Cybe R. Wizard- turns the breaker off now
-- 
We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.
	Thomas A. Edison

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#53262

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9E55DA48434HT1@u0ECeNR06M8rvC48OAE0PoWATk.R71Y3.1XH5k>
In reply to#52947
"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q29795$r0i$1@gioia.aioe.org
Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:05:45 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Cybe,
> 
>> A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always
>> happens," and sends another kid to do it again.
> 
> I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that
> way.  When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a
> current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by
> mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I
> got.  Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought).
> 
> So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked
> my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly
> touch the other side with the other wire.   Just a light jolt,
> right  (hey, I was still alive) ? 
> 
> Luckily he refused.  Had he actually grabbed it there would have
> been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not
> have been able to release it anymore ...

It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked him 
off of it, 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you.



-- 
If Murphy's Law were true, whenever you tried to take a breath, all the 
air would be on the other side of the room.

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#53279

From"R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
Date2019-01-28 11:50 +0100
Message-ID<q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#53262
Diesel,

> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked
> him off of it

If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than that would, 
if it was the live wire, probably have happened, yes.   But if he would have 
thought to "just get it over with" and grabbed it instead ...

> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you

I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




"Diesel" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
news:XnsA9E55DA48434HT1@u0ECeNR06M8rvC48OAE0PoWATk.R71Y3.1XH5k...
> "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q29795$r0i$1@gioia.aioe.org
> Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:05:45 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote:
>
>> Cybe,
>>
>>> A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always
>>> happens," and sends another kid to do it again.
>>
>> I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that
>> way.  When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a
>> current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by
>> mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I
>> got.  Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought).
>>
>> So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked
>> my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly
>> touch the other side with the other wire.   Just a light jolt,
>> right  (hey, I was still alive) ?
>>
>> Luckily he refused.  Had he actually grabbed it there would have
>> been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not
>> have been able to release it anymore ...
>
> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked him
> off of it, 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you.
>
>
>
> -- 
> If Murphy's Law were true, whenever you tried to take a breath, all the
> air would be on the other side of the room. 

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#53364

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9E6F01CCA003HT1@1V7NNc6Rrr0.4270tgFchlo8Om7EPe7r.zUJT8aeJ465jg16wu9IM>
In reply to#53279
"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org
Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:50:32 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Diesel,
> 
>> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked
>> him off of it
> 
> If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than
> that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened, yes. 
>  But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and
> grabbed it instead ... 
> 
>> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you
> 
> I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ?

120volts has enough to lock your muscles causing you to hold the wire. 
it usually doesn't have enough force to cause your muscles to 'let go' 
when it's cycling in the opposite polarity, though. You can sometimes 
free yourself by wiggling around and/or using your legs to break free 
of the circuit, but not always. 

240volts oth usually does cause a knocking you off the line effect. 
Which can be very dangerous in it's own right because it's a bit more 
violent than the 120volt shock. Especially if you're up in a bucket 
truck or on a ladder, scaffolding, etc.

There's probably a better way to explain it so I apologize in advance 
if I've only served to confuse you further.


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#53370

FromJasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
Date2019-01-30 05:24 +0000
Message-ID<q2rcf8$au7$2@gonzo.alcatraz>
In reply to#53364
On 2019-01-30, Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org
> Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:50:32 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>
>> Diesel,
>> 
>>> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked
>>> him off of it
>> 
>> If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than
>> that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened, yes. 
>>  But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and
>> grabbed it instead ... 
>> 
>>> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you
>> 
>> I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ?
>
> 120volts has enough to lock your muscles causing you to hold the wire. 
> it usually doesn't have enough force to cause your muscles to 'let go' 
> when it's cycling in the opposite polarity, though. You can sometimes 
> free yourself by wiggling around and/or using your legs to break free 
> of the circuit, but not always. 
>
> 240volts oth usually does cause a knocking you off the line effect. 
> Which can be very dangerous in it's own right because it's a bit more 
> violent than the 120volt shock. Especially if you're up in a bucket 
> truck or on a ladder, scaffolding, etc.
>
> There's probably a better way to explain it so I apologize in advance 
> if I've only served to confuse you further.

When my dad Skil-saw(tm)ed through the lead the 20A magnetic breaker
didn't blow and, 240V (to ground) locked it in his hand until he was
able to separate the plug from the extension lead. the next day he got
an isolating transformer.

-- 
  When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

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#53506

FromDiesel <me@privacy.net>
Date2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA9EAD8B8D9C6CHT1@RAOI9JZ5.n02Olno>
In reply to#53370
Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> news:q2rcf8$au7$2@gonzo.alcatraz Wed,
30 Jan 2019 05:24:56 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On 2019-01-30, Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
>> news:q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:50:32 GMT
>> in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>
>>> Diesel,
>>> 
>>>> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely
>>>> kicked him off of it
>>> 
>>> If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than
>>> that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened,
>>> yes. 
>>>  But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and
>>> grabbed it instead ... 
>>> 
>>>> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you
>>> 
>>> I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ?
>>
>> 120volts has enough to lock your muscles causing you to hold the
>> wire. it usually doesn't have enough force to cause your muscles
>> to 'let go' when it's cycling in the opposite polarity, though.
>> You can sometimes free yourself by wiggling around and/or using
>> your legs to break free of the circuit, but not always. 
>>
>> 240volts oth usually does cause a knocking you off the line
>> effect. Which can be very dangerous in it's own right because
>> it's a bit more violent than the 120volt shock. Especially if
>> you're up in a bucket truck or on a ladder, scaffolding, etc.
>>
>> There's probably a better way to explain it so I apologize in
>> advance if I've only served to confuse you further.
> 
> When my dad Skil-saw(tm)ed through the lead the 20A magnetic
> breaker didn't blow and, 240V (to ground) locked it in his hand
> until he was able to separate the plug from the extension lead.
> the next day he got an isolating transformer.

The reason the breakers didn't trip is because the ground wasn't 
bonded properly (or at all) either in his main electrical panel or 
outside the panel at the pole pig. Although it wasn't a good enough 
ground to trip the breakers, it was enough to bleed some of the 
voltage and current off; which caused the holding effect and limited 
welding effort. He wasn't getting the full 240. Some was being bled 
off as well as being consumed in a welding of the blade. Had he 
gotten the full 240, he would have let go of the saw, most likely in 
a tossing manner. As in, the saw would have been air borne for a 
moment or two. Instead, he was being held to a point, but, as you 
wrote, was still able to release himself.

His money would have been better spent repairing the ground issue, 
rather than spend funds on an isolation transformer of sufficient 
amperage capacity to run a saw off of it. I'm sure that wasn't cheap.


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