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Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

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  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-17 23:14 +0000
    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 00:12 +0000
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 00:58 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 19:29 -0600
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 02:00 -0600
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 02:08 -0600
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 14:29 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:22 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:29 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:45 +0000
                  NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
                    NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-15 04:31 +0000
                      Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-15 11:26 +0000
                        Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-16 04:51 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-20 20:55 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-20 16:02 -0500
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 01:14 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:34 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-23 19:23 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:24 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-28 19:16 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-30 05:18 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 00:32 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 20:41 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:49 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:46 -0600
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:38 -0600
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 15:50 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:59 -0600
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 22:06 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 16:09 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:07 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:27 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 19:16 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 20:58 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 21:11 -0600
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 +0000
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:34 -0600
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 11:54 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 07:51 -0600
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:49 -0600
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 13:39 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 08:19 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-24 06:10 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-01-25 09:14 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:02 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 19:30 -0600
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:14 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 15:54 -0600
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 16:41 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 23:08 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 23:37 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 06:11 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:04 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:48 -0600
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:33 +0000
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-28 08:23 -0600
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:43 +0000
                                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-29 22:41 -0600
                                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:34 +0000
                                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:26 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-26 03:56 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:09 -0600
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 09:49 -0500
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-25 10:07 -0800
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:51 -0600
                                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:43 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:18 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:21 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0600
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-25 23:21 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:36 -0600
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <XxuB8T967dUpoKQ8.R9P892p5GIKabIS11TMpG7N8dpaGh90cjaXByxpT@dont-email.me> - 2019-01-20 22:09 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:14 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-25 16:34 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 11:49 -0500
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:02 -0600
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:41 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:14 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:08 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:11 -0600
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:17 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:16 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-25 20:41 +0100
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-27 02:02 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-02-15 19:15 -0600
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:21 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:25 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-03 02:31 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-18 04:18 +0000
      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:01 +0000
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:27 -0600
          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-20 23:56 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-21 12:11 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 01:27 -0600
                  OT: .sig.   Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 01:34 -0600
                    Re: OT: .sig.   Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:39 -0500
                      Re: OT: .sig.   Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:04 -0600
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-23 09:05 +0100
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 02:25 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-23 10:30 +0100
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:40 -0600
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-28 01:33 -0600
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-28 11:50 +0100
                        Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-30 05:24 +0000
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
                              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-03 08:08 +0000
                                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
                                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-04 05:45 +0000
                                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-08 07:33 +0000
                          Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-30 09:04 +0100
                            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 12:18 +0000
                  Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
                    Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:13 +0000
                      Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:17 -0600
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
                Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-25 14:49 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-27 20:36 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
            Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
              Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:27 +0000

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#52729 — Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1o1lh$lrs$1@news.mixmin.net
Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:45:54 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> While I have been pondering, for decades, what makes some Usenet
> posters utterly immune to facts (e.g., Diesel, Snit, Colonel
> Edmund J. Burke, John Doe, Nomen Nomescu, Shadow, Good Guy, Mr.
> Man-wai Chang, David B., %, Anonymous, Cybe R Wizard, etc. - the
> list is huge so allow me to stop)... 

I've been on usenet for decades, and don't remember interacting with 
you until just the past year or so.
 
> I used to think most this immunity to fact was due to one of two
> reasons: o They're either just toying with us (for their own
> childish amusement), or o They're really _that_ unfathomably
> stupid. 

I can't speak for others, but, I'm far from stupid, Arlen. I elected 
not to help you for a very specific reason; and I made that perfectly 
clear to you. You were incapable of being a responsible adult and 
issuing an apology. Due to that, and only that, I opted not to 
provide you any specific details concerning sharing your Android 
device internal/external memory over your network via a drive letter 
mount. I've also noticed, you have so far, failed to be able do that 
on your own. Evidently, you aren't anywhere near as smart as you 
thought you were.

> And I pretty much tested out my premises over the decades, for
> example: o Experiments proving [certain] Usenet groups are filled
> to the brim with children 
>  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/b0DrfrsR
>  h24/ODQneWFEBAAJ> 

You act far more like a child than any of the people you listed, and 
that's saying quite a bit considering you listed Anoncoward and David 
Brooks.
 
> Obviously the first item is easy to understand, where my "tactic"
> to deal with those who deny the most basic of adult discussions is
> to make it "less fun" (which you, yourself, have been the target
> of - but so has Rene Lamontagne, Frank Slootweg, Dan Purgert, Char
> Jackson, etc.). 

Your tactic is what causes others to pause before assisting you, if 
anyone does so in the first place. I don't know who told you that 
childish insults would get you far with people, but, they mislead 
you.
 
> To summarize, for the "childish" people who get their enjoyment
> out of childish toying with Usenet posters, I simply attempt to
> "make it less fun" for them.

I find you highly amusing though, Arlen. Simply because you can't 
figure out how to do very basic things that you come here and ask for 
help with. You then proceed to belittle others, but, never manage to 
get what you want done in the process. That, is highly entertaining 
and it costs me nothing.
 
> That is, no amount of fact will change their minds.
> Ever. 

Fact. I have shared android access across my network as a drive 
letter for the internal memory and my external memory. You do not. 
It's been months now, and you still haven't figured out how to do it.
 
Yes, I still find it highly amusing. I also can't help but notice 
your newbie programming Android efforts are a dismal failure too. Too 
funny. Carry on with your insults, it's clear they're not getting you 
the help you want with your projects.



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#52730

On 2019-01-17, Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1o1lh$lrs$1@news.mixmin.net
> Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:45:54 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 
>
>> While I have been pondering, for decades, what makes some Usenet
>> posters utterly immune to facts (e.g., Diesel, Snit, Colonel
>> Edmund J. Burke, John Doe, Nomen Nomescu, Shadow, Good Guy, Mr.
>> Man-wai Chang, David B., %, Anonymous, Cybe R Wizard, etc. - the
>> list is huge so allow me to stop)... 
>
> I've been on usenet for decades, and don't remember interacting with 
> you until just the past year or so.
>  
>> I used to think most this immunity to fact was due to one of two
>> reasons: o They're either just toying with us (for their own
>> childish amusement), or o They're really _that_ unfathomably
>> stupid. 
>
> I can't speak for others, but, I'm far from stupid, Arlen. I elected 
> not to help you for a very specific reason; and I made that perfectly 
> clear to you. You were incapable of being a responsible adult and 
> issuing an apology. Due to that, and only that, I opted not to 
> provide you any specific details concerning sharing your Android 
> device internal/external memory over your network via a drive letter 
> mount. I've also noticed, you have so far, failed to be able do that 
> on your own. Evidently, you aren't anywhere near as smart as you 
> thought you were.
>
>> And I pretty much tested out my premises over the decades, for
>> example: o Experiments proving [certain] Usenet groups are filled
>> to the brim with children 
>>  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/b0DrfrsR
>>  h24/ODQneWFEBAAJ> 
>
> You act far more like a child than any of the people you listed, and 
> that's saying quite a bit considering you listed Anoncoward and David 
> Brooks.
>  
>> Obviously the first item is easy to understand, where my "tactic"
>> to deal with those who deny the most basic of adult discussions is
>> to make it "less fun" (which you, yourself, have been the target
>> of - but so has Rene Lamontagne, Frank Slootweg, Dan Purgert, Char
>> Jackson, etc.). 
>
> Your tactic is what causes others to pause before assisting you, if 
> anyone does so in the first place. I don't know who told you that 
> childish insults would get you far with people, but, they mislead 
> you.
>  
>> To summarize, for the "childish" people who get their enjoyment
>> out of childish toying with Usenet posters, I simply attempt to
>> "make it less fun" for them.
>
> I find you highly amusing though, Arlen. Simply because you can't 
> figure out how to do very basic things that you come here and ask for 
> help with. You then proceed to belittle others, but, never manage to 
> get what you want done in the process. That, is highly entertaining 
> and it costs me nothing.
>  
>> That is, no amount of fact will change their minds.
>> Ever. 
>
> Fact. I have shared android access across my network as a drive 
> letter for the internal memory and my external memory. You do not. 
> It's been months now, and you still haven't figured out how to do it.
>  
> Yes, I still find it highly amusing. I also can't help but notice 
> your newbie programming Android efforts are a dismal failure too. Too 
> funny. Carry on with your insults, it's clear they're not getting you 
> the help you want with your projects.

He pulls the same shit on the iOS and macOS newsgroups for hours upon
hours daily, and fails miserably to get the simplest things done for
months there as well - all while insulting everyone there and claiming
he's smarter than everyone on the planet. He shows what an idiot he is
every time he opens his big mouth. It's really pathetic to watch him go
down in flames over and over again, all while screaming "FAKE NEWS" when
anyone points out his stupidity.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#52731

Jolly Roger wrote:
> [ ... ]
> He pulls the same shit on the iOS and macOS newsgroups for hours upon
> hours daily, and fails miserably to get the simplest things done for
> months there as well - all while insulting everyone there and claiming
> he's smarter than everyone on the planet. He shows what an idiot he is
> every time he opens his big mouth. It's really pathetic to watch him go
> down in flames over and over again, all while screaming "FAKE NEWS" when
> anyone points out his stupidity.
>

On the upside, his crossposting to the world has, on occasion, let me
converse with knowledgeable people I wouldn't have otherwise had run
into


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#52733

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:58:36 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> On the upside, his crossposting to the world has, on occasion, let me
> converse with knowledgeable people I wouldn't have otherwise had run
> into

Just today I was pondering the possible re-emergence of Usenet since
most of the big social media sites are either failing or opting out.

BRING BACK USENET!

Cybe R. Wizard -wants this SO BADLY
-- 
Usenet:
A thick skin is required but thin lips are discouraged. 
	Cybe R. Wizard

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#52738

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
news:gacjvmFar10U1@mid.individual.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:12:38 GMT
in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> He pulls the same shit on the iOS and macOS newsgroups for hours
> upon hours daily, and fails miserably to get the simplest things
> done for months there as well - all while insulting everyone there
> and claiming he's smarter than everyone on the planet. He shows
> what an idiot he is every time he opens his big mouth. It's really
> pathetic to watch him go down in flames over and over again, all
> while screaming "FAKE NEWS" when anyone points out his stupidity.

He's very amusing at times with what he thinks are witty insults. He 
claims to have been on usenet for decades in newsgroups I've frequented 
for decades, yet, somehow, he has no idea what my normal posting handle 
actually is. :) I just don't buy that.
 
Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through online 
tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious from my point 
of view; that being, decades of actual programming experience on a wide 
variety of platforms. Not scripts, but, actual programs that worked as 
intended, from scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc.




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#52742

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:09:45 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> how to deal with you drivel.

                        ^^^^^
Someone get this poor young fellow a dictionary.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
“If you can't make fun of yourself, someone else will do it for you.” 
	Pasquale A Leonardo

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#52743

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:09:45 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> If you change your implied intent, as did Cybe R. Wizard today over
> here: o  Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring
> system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices?
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/ydQ9sG-8Y08/wJn1tPDoDwAJ>
> Then I dutifully mirror that exact change in implied intent.

That is so completely false that it is a verifiable bald-faced lie,
Harlon.   My /EXPRESSED/ intend (not implied at all) has /always/ been
to hold your feet to the fire about your constant lying.  

Show those 10,000 tutorials you've written, Arlene, and we can dispense
with our interactions altogether.

Don't be afraid; just do it.  Heh.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Falsehood is invariably the child of fear in one form or another.
	Aleister Crowley

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#52750

Diesel wrote:
>  [...]
> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through online 
> tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious from my point 
> of view; that being, decades of actual programming experience on a wide 
> variety of platforms. Not scripts, but, actual programs that worked as 
> intended, from scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc.

I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a stupid and
got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're not the same as the
older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing with.

I'm definitely a midroad programmer at best ... and it is quite humbling
when you have to sit and really rack your brain for how to do "read this
pin" when there aren't any tutorials out there.

Maybe I should make one.  Eventually. When I suck less, so I'm not just
one more example of "bad tutorial on the internet".


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#52937

Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
news:slrnq43olf.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:03
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Diesel wrote:
>>  [...]
>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious
>> from my point of view; that being, decades of actual programming
>> experience on a wide variety of platforms. Not scripts, but,
>> actual programs that worked as intended, from scratch. No hand
>> holding GUI, etc. 
> 
> I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a
> stupid and got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're not
> the same as the older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing with.

That's a little different. You are in some ways, learning the 
hardware and software relationship. Actual electronic components and 
how they function in a circuit as well. Useful knowledge to have. 
It's one of those things you actually can put to good use so called, 
later in life. lol.
 
> I'm definitely a midroad programmer at best ... and it is quite
> humbling when you have to sit and really rack your brain for how
> to do "read this pin" when there aren't any tutorials out there.

Welcome to the world of reverse engineering. [g] I feel your pain 
though. When I was learning the asic programming language (someone 
uploaded an antique version of it to my BBS one afternoon), it could 
be quite frustrating; because there weren't any programming tutorials 
in it specifically on any of the local boards I could access. When I 
got a shell account a bit later, I did find a few things, but, mostly 
incomplete material intended for a later version than I had of the 
language.

It does have examples in the pitiful manual that comes with it, but, 
most of the examples have typos in one place or another which tends 
to prevent the example from working as described. On a good note, 
you'll learn the language better when you're debugging source code 
you didn't write. Source code you were exposed to as a functional 
example of how to use such and such internal command.

I appreciated it for it's deceptive simplicity as the file structure 
it went with during the creation of a com/exe/obj file. It was quite 
impressive for a single pass compiler, and, it was barely even a 
compiler in the true sense of the word. All executables written and 
compiled in the language are actually somewhat inefficient machine 
code, without the benefits/drawbacks of a true HLL language in the 
sense there's no runtime code present in your freshly created 
executable. the single pass compiler basically looks at your source, 
breaks it down into known machine code copies, and creates the final 
executable using your logic and the prebuilt machine code for the 
routines you've opted to use.

If you wanted to teach someone how to use a debugger and/or 
disassembler, you really couldn't beat a copy of ralph browns 
interrupt list, asic, some sample source code, and your debugger of 
choice. You could write something simple in the asic language, 
compile it, and debug the final output exe; since the results were 
non optimized machine code. Very useful to teach a person the basics 
of DOS executable file layout, execution methodolody, dos based 
assembler.

As well as simple reverse engineering and patching, since you had no 
HLL nonsense to be stepping or walking through. It was pretty 
straight forward stuff.
 
> Maybe I should make one.  Eventually. When I suck less, so I'm not
> just one more example of "bad tutorial on the internet".

I haven't seen your work, so really couldn't comment at this point.
Despite this, I doubt it's as bad as you're making it appear to be. 
It certainly can't be any worse than reading one or more of Arlens 
examples. 


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#52956

Diesel wrote:
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
> news:slrnq43olf.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:29:03
> GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>
>> Diesel wrote:
>>>  [...]
>>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious
>>> from my point of view; that being, decades of actual programming
>>> experience on a wide variety of platforms. Not scripts, but,
>>> actual programs that worked as intended, from scratch. No hand
>>> holding GUI, etc. 
>> 
>> I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a
>> stupid and got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're not
>> the same as the older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing with.
>
> That's a little different. You are in some ways, learning the 
> hardware and software relationship. Actual electronic components and 
> how they function in a circuit as well. Useful knowledge to have. 
> It's one of those things you actually can put to good use so called, 
> later in life. lol.

heh, yeah.  It was more "okay, I have this task that needs XYZ features
onboard, and I don't want to use a Mega328, because I know myself and
I'll try using its I/O pins, and then get myself into a bind with
addressing the SPI ones and ... OH hey, these ATTinyX16 chips look
perfect!"

And then finding out they are a complete bitch to work with.

>  
>> I'm definitely a midroad programmer at best ... and it is quite
>> humbling when you have to sit and really rack your brain for how
>> to do "read this pin" when there aren't any tutorials out there.
>
> Welcome to the world of reverse engineering. [g] I feel your pain 
> though. When I was learning the asic programming language (someone 
> uploaded an antique version of it to my BBS one afternoon), it could 
> be quite frustrating; because there weren't any programming tutorials 
> in it specifically on any of the local boards I could access. When I 
> got a shell account a bit later, I did find a few things, but, mostly 
> incomplete material intended for a later version than I had of the 
> language.

It's not so much "reverse engineering" so much as having come from
arduino where you can do something like 

  DDRB |= 0xFF;
  PORTB |= (1<<PB5);

and it turns on the LED (for example).  

The "1-series" chips don't use the same nomenclature, so it's a lot of
"I know how this is _supposed_ to work, why the hell are you telling me
it's undefined ?!"  (RTFM _again_) "Ugh, why on earth did you get rid of
the data direction registers!?"

Ends up that you have to do this now:

  PORTB_DIRSET |= (1<<5);
  PORTB_OUT |= (1<<5);


> [...]
>> Maybe I should make one.  Eventually. When I suck less, so I'm not
>> just one more example of "bad tutorial on the internet".
>
> I haven't seen your work, so really couldn't comment at this point.
> Despite this, I doubt it's as bad as you're making it appear to be. 
> It certainly can't be any worse than reading one or more of Arlens 
> examples. 

If it's *that* bad, I should probably return my computer to Dell.

Mosty, I tend to get too far "into the weeds" as it were, and the
writing ends up more dense than helpful.


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#53260

Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
news:slrnq4gjk3.97b.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Wed, 23 Jan 2019 11:22:43
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Diesel wrote:
>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>> news:slrnq43olf.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019
>> 14:29:03 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>
>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>>  [...]
>>>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>>>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious
>>>> from my point of view; that being, decades of actual
>>>> programming experience on a wide variety of platforms. Not
>>>> scripts, but, actual programs that worked as intended, from
>>>> scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc. 
>>> 
>>> I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a
>>> stupid and got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're
>>> not the same as the older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing
>>> with. 
>>
>> That's a little different. You are in some ways, learning the 
>> hardware and software relationship. Actual electronic components
>> and how they function in a circuit as well. Useful knowledge to
>> have. It's one of those things you actually can put to good use
>> so called, later in life. lol.
> 
> heh, yeah.  It was more "okay, I have this task that needs XYZ
> features onboard, and I don't want to use a Mega328, because I
> know myself and I'll try using its I/O pins, and then get myself
> into a bind with addressing the SPI ones and ... OH hey, these
> ATTinyX16 chips look perfect!"
> 
> And then finding out they are a complete bitch to work with.

:) Everything has it's pros and cons... hehe
 
>> I haven't seen your work, so really couldn't comment at this
>> point. Despite this, I doubt it's as bad as you're making it
>> appear to be. It certainly can't be any worse than reading one or
>> more of Arlens examples. 
> 
> If it's *that* bad, I should probably return my computer to Dell.

Good point. lol
 
> Mosty, I tend to get too far "into the weeds" as it were, and the
> writing ends up more dense than helpful.

:)


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#53283

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Diesel wrote:
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
> news:slrnq4gjk3.97b.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Wed, 23 Jan 2019 11:22:43
> GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>
>> Diesel wrote:
>>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>>> news:slrnq43olf.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019
>>> 14:29:03 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>>
>>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>>>  [...]
>>>>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>>>>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious
>>>>> from my point of view; that being, decades of actual
>>>>> programming experience on a wide variety of platforms. Not
>>>>> scripts, but, actual programs that worked as intended, from
>>>>> scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc. 
>>>> 
>>>> I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a
>>>> stupid and got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're
>>>> not the same as the older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing
>>>> with. 
>>>
>>> That's a little different. You are in some ways, learning the 
>>> hardware and software relationship. Actual electronic components
>>> and how they function in a circuit as well. Useful knowledge to
>>> have. It's one of those things you actually can put to good use
>>> so called, later in life. lol.
>> 
>> heh, yeah.  It was more "okay, I have this task that needs XYZ
>> features onboard, and I don't want to use a Mega328, because I
>> know myself and I'll try using its I/O pins, and then get myself
>> into a bind with addressing the SPI ones and ... OH hey, these
>> ATTinyX16 chips look perfect!"
>> 
>> And then finding out they are a complete bitch to work with.
>
>:) Everything has it's pros and cons... hehe
>  
>>> I haven't seen your work, so really couldn't comment at this
>>> point. Despite this, I doubt it's as bad as you're making it
>>> appear to be. It certainly can't be any worse than reading one or
>>> more of Arlens examples. 
>> 
>> If it's *that* bad, I should probably return my computer to Dell.
>
> Good point. lol
>  

Oh, found one that wasn't _too_ terrible, posted to the devuan gitlab 2
years ago... which incidentally needs a signin to access.

Copied here:
  http://www.djph.net/media/print_setup.md

Apologies for the markdown, but it was intended to be read in the git
page... 

Not that you need it, but since our good buddy arlen will say it's brand
new --> http://www.djph.net/media/git.png



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#53531 — NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
news:slrnq4u1ro.3u3.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:45:28
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

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> Diesel wrote:
>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>> news:slrnq4gjk3.97b.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Wed, 23 Jan 2019
>> 11:22:43 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>
>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>>>> news:slrnq43olf.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019
>>>> 14:29:03 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>  [...]
>>>>>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>>>>>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was
>>>>>> hilarious from my point of view; that being, decades of
>>>>>> actual programming experience on a wide variety of platforms.
>>>>>> Not scripts, but, actual programs that worked as intended,
>>>>>> from scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a
>>>>> stupid and got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're
>>>>> not the same as the older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing
>>>>> with. 
>>>>
>>>> That's a little different. You are in some ways, learning the 
>>>> hardware and software relationship. Actual electronic
>>>> components and how they function in a circuit as well. Useful
>>>> knowledge to have. It's one of those things you actually can
>>>> put to good use so called, later in life. lol.
>>> 
>>> heh, yeah.  It was more "okay, I have this task that needs XYZ
>>> features onboard, and I don't want to use a Mega328, because I
>>> know myself and I'll try using its I/O pins, and then get myself
>>> into a bind with addressing the SPI ones and ... OH hey, these
>>> ATTinyX16 chips look perfect!"
>>> 
>>> And then finding out they are a complete bitch to work with.
>>
>>:) Everything has it's pros and cons... hehe
>>  
>>>> I haven't seen your work, so really couldn't comment at this
>>>> point. Despite this, I doubt it's as bad as you're making it
>>>> appear to be. It certainly can't be any worse than reading one
>>>> or more of Arlens examples. 
>>> 
>>> If it's *that* bad, I should probably return my computer to
>>> Dell. 
>>
>> Good point. lol
>>  
> 
> Oh, found one that wasn't _too_ terrible, posted to the devuan
> gitlab 2 years ago... which incidentally needs a signin to access.
> 
> Copied here:
>   http://www.djph.net/media/print_setup.md

Saved for checking out when time permits. I'm in a bit of a hurry so 
I'm kind of jumping around things at the moment here.

 

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#53820 — NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

Diesel <me@privacy.net> news:XnsA9EBEA7D58978HT1@
8s2W9NE0Whn2.xK1w70p40t1H13K.0Gc1 Mon, 04 Feb 2019 03:59:43 GMT in 
alt.os.linux, wrote:

> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
> news:slrnq4u1ro.3u3.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Mon, 28 Jan 2019 
13:45:28
> GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
> 
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>> 
>> Diesel wrote:
>>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>>> news:slrnq4gjk3.97b.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Wed, 23 Jan 2019
>>> 11:22:43 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>>
>>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
>>>>> news:slrnq43olf.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019
>>>>> 14:29:03 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Diesel wrote:
>>>>>>>  [...]
>>>>>>> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through
>>>>>>> online tutorials for programming Android devices was
>>>>>>> hilarious from my point of view; that being, decades of
>>>>>>> actual programming experience on a wide variety of platforms.
>>>>>>> Not scripts, but, actual programs that worked as intended,
>>>>>>> from scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I love me some AVR "Hello World" programs.  Although I was a
>>>>>> stupid and got Microchip's new "1-series" boards, and they're
>>>>>> not the same as the older ATTinyx5's that I've been playing
>>>>>> with. 
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a little different. You are in some ways, learning the 
>>>>> hardware and software relationship. Actual electronic
>>>>> components and how they function in a circuit as well. Useful
>>>>> knowledge to have. It's one of those things you actually can
>>>>> put to good use so called, later in life. lol.
>>>> 
>>>> heh, yeah.  It was more "okay, I have this task that needs XYZ
>>>> features onboard, and I don't want to use a Mega328, because I
>>>> know myself and I'll try using its I/O pins, and then get myself
>>>> into a bind with addressing the SPI ones and ... OH hey, these
>>>> ATTinyX16 chips look perfect!"
>>>> 
>>>> And then finding out they are a complete bitch to work with.
>>>
>>>:) Everything has it's pros and cons... hehe
>>>  
>>>>> I haven't seen your work, so really couldn't comment at this
>>>>> point. Despite this, I doubt it's as bad as you're making it
>>>>> appear to be. It certainly can't be any worse than reading one
>>>>> or more of Arlens examples. 
>>>> 
>>>> If it's *that* bad, I should probably return my computer to
>>>> Dell. 
>>>
>>> Good point. lol
>>>  
>> 
>> Oh, found one that wasn't _too_ terrible, posted to the devuan
>> gitlab 2 years ago... which incidentally needs a signin to access.
>> 
>> Copied here:
>>   http://www.djph.net/media/print_setup.md
> 
> Saved for checking out when time permits. I'm in a bit of a hurry 
so 
> I'm kind of jumping around things at the moment here.
> 


hehehehe

> 



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#53827 — Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

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Diesel wrote:
>>> (I wrote)
>>> 
>>> Oh, found one that wasn't _too_ terrible, posted to the devuan
>>> gitlab 2 years ago... which incidentally needs a signin to access.
>>> 
>>> Copied here:
>>>   http://www.djph.net/media/print_setup.md
>> 
>> Saved for checking out when time permits. I'm in a bit of a hurry so
>> I'm kind of jumping around things at the moment here.
>
> hehehehe

Finally had a chance to read it? 


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#53866 — Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
news:slrnq6d8fe.4gc.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:26:38
GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Finally had a chance to read it? 

Yep. I'm impressed with it, actually. You did a good job. So much so, I 
think Arlen could do it without having to ask additional questions. :)


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#52832

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:21 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> He's very amusing at times with what he thinks are witty insults. 

Hi Diesel,
I have a strategy which is to use Usenet to get answers to tech questions.
(Yeah, crazy strategy ... I know ... many use Usenet for their amusement.)

My strategy is to share & cull & combine data to solve problems, together.
I use tactics to manage the threads where I ask those technical questions.

Two tactics I use consistently are to:
a. Mirror the implied intent of each post - regardless of prior history
b. Directly confront the cowardly bullies - of which you are one

The purpose of confronting the cowardly bullies is obvious:
o. Once they've infested a thread - the potluck picnic is already ruined
o. Make it "less fun" for the bullies - hoping they refrain next time

It's a battle of percentages, Diesel. 
o One hundred percent of the time I will confront you cowardly bullies

The goal is for you to KNOW that I will do that.
o I will simply let _you_ make a fool of yourself, Dustin.
o By pointing out the very words that you post (they're always of a child)

If you consider me pointing out your very words to be "witty", so be it.
o I simply consider my tactic merely letting you prove you're a child.

Bear in mind, Diesel, and those like you, Dustin.
o While there is no love lost between us - I don't care about you.
o I just want you to act like an adult when posting to threads I care about

Simple. Consistent. 
o A strategy to work a thread so that technical answers result.
o Tactics that fit that strategy and that deter childish bullies like you.

After having said that, you now know my strategy & tactics Diesel.
o Some bullies, like Char Jackson & Snit & Wolf K insists on their rights
o They, like Alan Baker & Jason Betts insist on a God-given right to Troll.

At times, even I must deviate from my tactics and respond to them that
o This is my last response to you in this thread (to save everyone else).

Much to everyone's pleasure, Diesel, I say that now to you, Dustin.

> claims to have been on usenet for decades in newsgroups I've frequented 
> for decades, yet, somehow, he has no idea what my normal posting handle 
> actually is. :) I just don't buy that.

Hi Dustin,

If you re-read what I wrote above, you see this consistent tactic:
o Mirror the implied intent of each post - regardless of prior history

You see, it matters not to me WHOM you post as - I don't even look:
o For the "chit-chat" Usenet model - who you are matters 
o For the "chit-chat" model - it seems what you post matters not

The reason it matters not who you are is that I care about ANSWERS!
o In the "Q&A" Usenet model - what you post is all that matters
o That's simply because we'll take solutions from anyone - even you

Hence, it matters not to me whether you post as Casio, Diesel, 
Diesel-Dum, Dustin Cook, Gremlin, Raid, Slam, et al.

You love to dox people, Diesel, just as David Brooks & Aardvark do.
You doxed David Eagle & Jenn Porter for example.
You're' no different than Steve Carroll (aka David Brooks & maybe Good Guy).

You wrote "virus families" as a vxer, disseminating them in the wild.
You even hosted a web site related to those efforts.

*Let me tell you a secret, Dustin... I don't give one whit about nyms.*
(I change mine all the time, for example, for aggregator privacy.)

In the chit-chat model, who you are may be important because 
in general, you say nothing in every post.

In the Q&A model, who you are is meaningless; what matters is 
what value you add to the overall tribal knowledge inherent in the
question.

I don't care if you posted as God herself - if you simply answer a question.

> Watching him publish hello world programs as he went through online 
> tutorials for programming Android devices was hilarious from my point 
> of view; that being, decades of actual programming experience on a wide 
> variety of platforms. Not scripts, but, actual programs that worked as 
> intended, from scratch. No hand holding GUI, etc.

Hi Dustin,

I know you consider yourself a genius for having disseminated viruses.

The problem, Diesel, is that you see me disseminating Hello World 
programs, and you _think_ you can do better (which, maybe you can).

You _think_ by me disseminating those programs (which are, by the way, 
to help others since they're all cut and paste designs), that I'm 
claiming some kind of "genius").

The problem I have with your brain, Diesel, is that it's that of a child.

Nobody on this planet (but you) thinks disseminating a cut and paste
"Hello World" is a stroke of genius. Nobody.

Well, nobody but you.

BTW, this is for _others_ to get a gist of what Diesel is talking about:
o Report: My first "hello world" using Android Studio freeware on Windows worked just fine (in about an hour)
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/aW64zYeBtF0>

HINT: I always try to enable others to cut-&-paste what I can do
(and I never claim to be a genius - I just claim to be at least average).

My strategy is to share & cull & combine data to solve problems, together.

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#52833

In article <q22n7l$9a5$1@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> I have a strategy which is to use Usenet to get answers to tech questions.

one that doesn't work particularly well.

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#52932

On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:02:13 -0500, nospam wrote:

> one that doesn't work particularly well.

And yet, my facts are _always_ correct (see note 1).
While yours generally take fewer than 10 seconds to disprove.

Do you want me to cite situation after situation again nospspam?
Meanwhile, you can't find a _single_ time I've stated a fact to you
that wasn't correct.

All you can do is claim all facts are wrong - sans any proof.
It's the hallmark of children nospam (look at Cybe Wizard for an example).

I realize you childish Apologists, nospam, can _only_ play silly games.
o Your entire belief system is underlain by Apple MARKETING propaganda
o Hence, your biggest weakness, nospam, is plain old basic fact.

You have only seven responses to fact, in fact:

These are your 7 responses to fact, common to all you Apologists:
... *HABIT 1:*
. They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary app functionality
. They then exclaim that it's been told to us many times how to do it
... *HABIT 2:*
. They almost never back up statements with actual referenced facts 
. They incessantly play childish semantic games when faced with those facts 
... *HABIT 3:*
. *They deny facts a priori - without even reading the referenced cites*
. Then they complain about quote snipping of their silly semantic games
... *HABIT 4:*
. They're never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question 
. They post worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value 
... *HABIT 5:*
. They consistently blame Android for Apple's app & hardware faults
. They consistently find the absolute worst price:performance comparisons 
... *HABIT 6:*
. They actually believe that a well-documented process is too complex! 
. They literally believe elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time. 
... *HABIT 7:*
. They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened 
. They then wittily respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did! 

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#52938

arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q28f5v$1k9$3@news.mixmin.net
Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:14:42 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:02:13 -0500, nospam wrote:
> 
>> one that doesn't work particularly well.
> 
> And yet, my facts are _always_ correct (see note 1).

No, they aren't. Let's rip one apart and be somewhat technical while 
I do so. This way, you cannot claim I didn't add technical value to 
the thread, and, I retain the pleasure of pointing out another 
incorrect claim you've stated; well, two actually.

You claimed that your slider method of file movement via usb was 
universal and worked with all versions of Windows, Linux, Android as 
well as iOS without additional software of any kind required. You 
were wrong. 

Depending on Android OS version and device itself, Various versions 
of Windows as well as Linux will not properly mount (if they will at 
all) the Android device and give you any access to it's internal or 
external memory contents. One windows example is XP, and, despite you 
and Microsoft clearly wishing it was long dead; it's still breathing 
and still in use in a variety of configurations, some of which are 
very much online and surfing the net.

One linux distro example would be Linux Mint 17.3 KDE edition 
(although DE doesn't really matter here); it will not auto mount 
every single Android device out there, either. 

> While yours generally take fewer than 10 seconds to disprove.

It took me three or less seconds when I began reading about your so 
called slider method and the brilliance of it that you had no idea 
what you were writing about. Copying files between devices via USB 
was like an new experience for you. You seemed to be so awe struck by 
the brilliance of it, that you incorrectly assumed it worked as you 
found it to be on all windows and linux versions when infact, it does 
not.

> Do you want me to cite situation after situation again nospspam?
> Meanwhile, you can't find a _single_ time I've stated a fact to
> you that wasn't correct.

I just provided one, and, went into lengthy detail concerning it. I 
can do the same with others. That isn't your first or only one.
 
> All you can do is claim all facts are wrong - sans any proof.
> It's the hallmark of children nospam (look at Cybe Wizard for an
> example). 

See above. I look forward to your efforts to dispute anything I wrote 
in this reply.
 
> . They're never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the
> question . 

Correction. I haven't thus far, been purposely helpful in answering 
most of your questions. I have provided you a completely suitable 
answer to one of your questions, though. Tested before suggesting 
using my own gear on my own time. You can't ask for much better than 
that, Arlen. I've been very specific about which technical questions 
you ask that I refuse to give you an easy answer for as well; and, as 
i'm sure you've noticed, efforts to reword it haven't thus far worked 
for you. Despite your claims, I'm not stupid Arlen. I'm ignorant in 
many areas, but, that's a curable condition.

You may infact just suffer from stubborn ignorance. It's a curable 
condition as well, just takes a bit longer. Or, it's quite possible 
you actually are as stupid as you're beginning to appear to be.

These long posts of yours, attacking various posters, doesn't serve 
you any useful purpose. Time is better spent continuing with your 
experiments. Most adults (that also means you Arlen, pay attention!) 
realize that if you want help from someone (most people anyway) you 
aren't going to get it if you refer to them as stupid, dumb, etc, the 
moment they don't do something as soon as you expect them to. You 
need to remember, communication via usenet wasn't intended to be for 
real time purposes. if you want that, pick up the phone or something.



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