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Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices?

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  Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 09:14 +0000
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 10:17 +0000
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 11:49 +0000
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-11 07:13 -0500
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 13:09 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-11 07:23 -0600
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-11 14:28 +0100
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 13:59 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-11 09:22 -0600
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 04:27 -0800
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 04:58 -0800
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 05:24 -0800
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 15:01 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 07:59 -0800
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 08:12 -0800
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 04:21 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 08:22 -0800
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-11 13:58 +0000
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 14:23 +0000
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-11 17:02 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 06:11 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 12:32 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-14 18:01 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 21:16 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 20:42 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 01:00 -0600
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-17 11:37 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-17 20:03 +0000
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2019-01-11 10:20 -0500
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-11 11:34 -0500
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-11 15:54 -0600
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 14:33 -0800
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-11 22:28 -0600
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-12 10:25 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-12 14:45 +0100
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:28 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 12:34 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:27 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-11 17:34 -0500
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-13 14:09 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-13 14:08 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 00:56 -0600
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-13 14:07 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-13 10:07 -0600
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-14 07:40 +0000
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 05:23 +0000
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 00:50 -0600
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-17 20:03 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 19:23 -0600
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-18 06:24 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 01:38 -0600
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 14:24 +0000
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:06 -0600
                      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:19 +0000
                        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 15:28 +0000
                          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:55 +0000
                        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:31 -0600
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 13:58 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:00 -0600
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:05 +0000
                      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:28 -0600
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-18 10:41 -0500
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:58 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-18 10:33 -0500
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:52 -0600
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-21 01:33 +0000
                      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-20 23:37 -0600
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 02:22 +0000

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#52630

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:02:19 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> Don't think Owncloud does caldav, but then I haven't dug _that_ deeply
> into its featureset.  "Easily share pictures with non-computery family
> WITHOUT using facebook" was really all I needed.

I agree with you Dan Purgert, that it's *easy* to share files among
the mobile devices (Android & iOS) and the PC (both Linux & Windows).

In fact, for all but iOS, I've already implemented the _simplest_ possible
solution, which is so simple that I wonder why everyone who doesn't wish to
use an Internet-based calendaring system doesn't set this up.

It's as simple as 1-2-3:
1. Select capable clients that can import/export a master iCal event file.
2. Store the single master iCal event file on the mobile device (or PC).
3. On any device, import/export to/from that one "master" iCal event file.

The good news is that Android, Windows, & Linux filesystems share well.
Hence, _plenty_ of use models will be easy to devise that import and export
to and from a *single* ICS master event file (containing the entire
calendar in a single file).

You can easily keep that single ICS master file on the Android filesystem.

For example, I tested a free WebDAV server on Android to share over WiFi:
 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.theolivetree.webdavserver>
o Which says, when run "WebDAV server available on http://192.168.1.3:8080"

Given that address, on Windows, I ran the following command as a user:
o net use X:  \\http://192.168.1.3:8080/#/  
o This "mounts" the Android filesystem over WiFi as a "network location"

For the record, here's an example using this free FTP server on Android:
 <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/be.ppareit.swiftp_free/>
o Which says "FTP Server available at ftp://192.168.1.3/2221/"

Given that address, on Windows, you have many options to share files:
o You can use "FTPUSE" to "mount" that ftp share as a "removable drive"
o FTPUSE <https://www.ferrobackup.com/map-ftp-as-disk.html>

o Or you can use a variety of freeware to sync Android/Windows over WiFi:
o WinSCP <https://winscp.net/eng/download.php>
o FileZilla <https://filezilla-project.org/download.php>

Or, you can simply connect the Android device to Windows/Linux over USB.
o That instantly "mounts" the entire Android filesystem to the PC.

You can then share the master ics file if you wish to keep it on Android.

For automation, plenty of command-line methods access Android files over
USB, e.g., Android Studio "adb" will copy _any_ file on the Android file
system to Windows or Linux over USB:
<https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line/adb>

So will libmtp:
o libMTP <https://sourceforge.net/projects/libmtp/>

(Yes, you heard right - *any file* - even system files - and yes, even if
the Android device is not rooted - e.g., you can copy the hosts file as one
simple example):
o How to modify the hosts file on your Android device
 <https://www.modmy.com/how-modify-hosts-file-your-android-device> 

For iOS, USB works great on Linux - but USB doesn't work as well on Windows
(long story which we have discussed in gory detail elsewhere), nor does
FTP/WebDAV work as well on iOS as it does with Android (gory details
elsewhere which only the diehard Apple Apologists can possibly deny).

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#52652

arlen holder wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:02:19 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Don't think Owncloud does caldav, but then I haven't dug _that_ deeply
>> into its featureset.  "Easily share pictures with non-computery family
>> WITHOUT using facebook" was really all I needed.
>
> I agree with you Dan Purgert, that it's *easy* to share files among
> the mobile devices (Android & iOS) and the PC (both Linux & Windows).
>
> In fact, for all but iOS, I've already implemented the _simplest_ possible
> solution, which is so simple that I wonder why everyone who doesn't
> wish to use an Internet-based calendaring system doesn't set this up.
>
> It's as simple as 1-2-3:
> 1. Select capable clients that can import/export a master iCal event file.
> 2. Store the single master iCal event file on the mobile device (or PC).
> 3. On any device, import/export to/from that one "master" iCal event file.

You've essentially made the "discovery" that you can write appointments
in a personal planner _AND_ on the family calendar hanging on the
kitchen wall.

And the secondary discovery (snipped for brevity) that it's a right pain
in the ass to do.


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#52666

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:32:02 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> You've essentially made the "discovery" that you can write appointments
> in a personal planner _AND_ on the family calendar hanging on the
> kitchen wall.

I agree with you Dan Purgert, where I appreciate the helpful advice.
Since I'm, by my own definition, one of the best types of Usenet posters, I
will attempt, in this response, to "give back to the team" what I've
learned, by way of short summary (with adequate details).

Had I known a week ago what I know now, I would have completely skipped the
whole 'server/client' approach, or, I would have set up a raspberry pi as
the full-time CalDAV server.

Given that approach wasn't how I started this quest, it's shockingly
surprising how 24 out of 25 so-called calendar apps are utterly devoid of
ics export/import functionality (e.g., I only found 1 on Android, 2 on
Linux, and 3 on Windows, with 0 found to date on iOS).

However, you only need 1 calendar app that imports/exports ICS files.
Given I've found them, I gave up yesterday on setting up a CalDAV server.

To be clear, I'm only human, which, I say jokingly because when I searched
for a calendaring solution, the vast majority (9,999 out of 10,000
articles) talk about using someone elses' CalDAV server:
o Google Calendar, or, 
o Apple iCloud Calendar, or 
o Microsoft Outlook, Live, Hotmail, & Office 365 calendars, or
o Facebook events, or
etc.

Notice that they _all_ require you to store your private info on the net!
And they all (apparently) require a login, which adds insult to injury.

> And the secondary discovery (snipped for brevity) that it's a right pain
> in the ass to do.

The only options that involved servers that can be set up at home were
o Exchange servers (i.e., email/passwd), or
o CalDAV servers (i.e., username/passwd/server), or
o WebCAL servers (i.e., webcal://)

If we give up on the calendaring servers, we're left sharing an ICS file.
 //share/calendar/my_events.ics

The good news is that there are so many ways to share a *single* ICS file
between Android, Windows, & Linux, that multiple approaches will work:
o USB shares (e.g., adb, libmtp, manual file manager, etc.)
o FTP shares (e.g., FTPUse mounts, winscp, filezilla, etc.)
o WebDAV shares (e.g., The Olive Tree WebDAV servers)
o SMB shares (these are problematic for Android due to non-root issues)
o DropBox-like home-cloud solutions
etc.

As always, on iOS, things are harder on Windows (but not with iOS to Linux,
where, surprisingly, iOS is treated by native Ubuntu 18.04 as it should be,
which is as a plain jane read/write USB stick).

In summary, I have given up on CalDAV servers on my personal LAN.
I've opted for the lower-tech simpler solution of a single event.ics file.

ANDROID:  I use the F-Droid Simple Calendar Pro freeware to import/export
LINUX: I use the Rainlendar Lite freeware to import/export "my_events.ics"
WINDOWS: I use the Rainlendar Lite freeware to import/export events
IOS: I am still searching for a non-brain-dead iOS app that imports/exports

Currently I'm storing the "master" ICS file on the external SD card of my
$130 64GB LG Stylo 3 Plus where the 64GB external SD card is enough for me
(but it can handle up to 2 TB if I had a card that big).

USE MODEL ON THE DESKTOP:
a. I manage my email & calendar with big screens & keyboards!
b. The best advantage of the desktop is "cut and paste"!
c. When I change the calendar, I add a simple export-to-Android step

USE MODEL ON THE MOBILE DEVICE:
a. I rarely add events on the mobile device due to the lousy keyboard
b. When I add events, I first import the events.ics calendar file
c. After I add events, I then export the events.ics calendar file

In short, there is a _single_ events.ics file that is stored on the Android
external SD card that Linux, Windows, Android (and, someday, iOS) easily
access.

My contribution to the tribal knowledge of the team is that this works
as I stated, where you can use WiFi or USB to access the single ICS file.

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#52680

arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:32:02 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> You've essentially made the "discovery" that you can write appointments
>> in a personal planner _AND_ on the family calendar hanging on the
>> kitchen wall.
>
> I agree with you Dan Purgert, where I appreciate the helpful advice.
> Since I'm, by my own definition, one of the best types of Usenet posters, I

You're no better than anyone else.  Though you do tend to waste a lot of
time saying nothing of value.

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#52691

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 21:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> You're no better than anyone else.  Though you do tend to waste a lot of
> time saying nothing of value.

Hi Dan Purgert,
Hehhehheh... Don't think I forgot who you are, Dan Purgert.

I was wondering how long it would take you to drop to the level of a child.

Turns out ... it doesn't take all that long for you to prove you're a
child, Dan Purgert.

HINT: Don't you realize I was using your name many times?
Do you even know why?

Probably not.
I _knew_ you'd drop to the level of a child, Dan Purgert.

DOUBLEHINT: You always do, Dan Purgert.

Whenever I deal with children, I repeat their name.
I've been doing this for decades on Usenet, Dan Purgert.

I _knew_ you'd drop to the level of a child - sooner rather than later.

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#52704

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> You've essentially made the "discovery" that you can write
> appointments in a personal planner _AND_ on the family calendar
> hanging on the kitchen wall.
> 
> And the secondary discovery (snipped for brevity) that it's a right
> pain in the ass to do.

...particularly when Google calendar will keep my computer and phone,
That Danged Wife's computer and phone plus her business computer
and phone and both daughters' computers and phones up to date on all
our calendars.  ...and does.  ...as long as we are willing to share.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Have you noticed that, when we were young, we were told that
"everybody else is doing it"  was a  really stupid reason to do
something, but now it's the standard reason for picking a particular
software package? 
		Barry Gehm

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#52707

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:32:02 -0000 (UTC)
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>
>> You've essentially made the "discovery" that you can write
>> appointments in a personal planner _AND_ on the family calendar
>> hanging on the kitchen wall.
>> 
>> And the secondary discovery (snipped for brevity) that it's a right
>> pain in the ass to do.
>
> ...particularly when Google calendar will keep my computer and phone,
> That Danged Wife's computer and phone plus her business computer
> and phone and both daughters' computers and phones up to date on all
> our calendars.  ...and does.  ...as long as we are willing to share.

Yeah, my caldav server came with my webmail client (I run my own MTA),
so it seemed interesting (and hey, get away from our google overlords).

Trouble was, androids don't do caldav natively, so kinda lost interest,
after the "trial period" of whatever caldav client I was using expired.

Nice as it was, it wasn't $4.99 nice.


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#52723

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 11:37:30 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> Trouble was, androids don't do caldav natively, so kinda lost interest,
> after the "trial period" of whatever caldav client I was using expired.

1. I do not understand CalDAV on any platform (as I opted to give up 
    on the CalDav server setup for reasons that I don't keep Linux 
     up 100% of the time).

2. Hence ... I have zero empirical "experience" with CALDav 
     whether on Android, Windows, iOS, or Linux (refer to #1 for details).

3. However ... in my search for a home-grown solution, I did run 
     across this FOSS on Android, which "may" help you on Android.
    o <https://www.davx5.com/>
    o <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/at.bitfire.davdroid/>

     *CalDAV/CardDAV solution for Android*
    "DAVx5 (formerly DAVdroid) is a CalDAV/CardDAV management 
     and synchronization app for Android which natively integrates 
     with Android calendar/contact apps. Use it with your own server 
     or with a trusted hoster to keep your contacts, events and tasks 
     under your control."

4. If it's not of help, please ignore (see #2 above for details).

5. If it is of help, then please just respond in a way that the overall
     tribal knowledge of the group is enhanced from your results.

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#52611

On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
<snip>
> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
> 
I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you walk 
out the door?

You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That be 
unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method of 
sharing provides for making copies on you local device.

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#52616

Big Al wrote:
> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
> <snip>
>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>
> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you walk 
> out the door?
> 
> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That be 
> unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method of 
> sharing provides for making copies on you local device.

Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
so the need for a "vast heterogenous solution" is a waste of time.

    Paul

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#52619

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote:

> Big Al wrote:
>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>
>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you walk 
>> out the door?
>> 
>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That be 
>> unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method of 
>> sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
> 
> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,

I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
year and he no smarter that he was when he started.

-- 
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The cow died so I don't need your bull!

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#52620

Wildman wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>>
>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
> 
> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
> 
Ha. That's because smart phones don't augment your brain, they drain 
your brain.

People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a 
map to plan a trip.

They also can't go shopping all by themselves any more, they need help 
from someone else on the phone.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#52622

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:33:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> Wildman wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>> 
>> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
>> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
>> 
> Ha. That's because smart phones don't augment your brain, they drain 
> your brain.
> 
> People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a 
> map to plan a trip.
> 
> They also can't go shopping all by themselves any more, they need help 
> from someone else on the phone.

They also loose the ability to interact at a human level
with other people.

-- 
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!

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#52623

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:28:59 -0600, Wildman scribbled:

> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:33:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a
>> map to plan a trip.
>> 
>> They also can't go shopping all by themselves any more, they need help
>> from someone else on the phone.
> 
> They also loose the ability to interact at a human level with other
> people.

+1

-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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#52624

Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com>:

> >>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,

> >> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
> >> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.

> > Ha. That's because smart phones don't augment your brain, they drain 
> > your brain.

> > People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a 
> > map to plan a trip.

> They also loose the ability to interact at a human level
> with other people.

Of course they can't. After all, they're smartphone zombies, aka
smombies, aren't they...


Yrrah

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#52627

On 2019-01-12, Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:33:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Wildman wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>>> 
>>> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
>>> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
>>> 
>> Ha. That's because smart phones don't augment your brain, they drain 
>> your brain.
>> 
>> People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a 
>> map to plan a trip.
>> 
>> They also can't go shopping all by themselves any more, they need help 
>> from someone else on the phone.
>
> They also loose the ability to interact at a human level
> with other people.

That one scene in "Warm Bodies" is a classic illustration of that fact. 
Probably the funniest scene in the movie.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#52653

Wildman wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:33:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Wildman wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>>> 
>>> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
>>> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
>>> 
>> Ha. That's because smart phones don't augment your brain, they drain 
>> your brain.
>> 
>> People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a 
>> map to plan a trip.
>> 
>> They also can't go shopping all by themselves any more, they need help 
>> from someone else on the phone.
>
> They also loose the ability to interact at a human level
> with other people.

You assume I had that capability _before_ the phone. :)


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#52626

On 2019-01-11, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
> Wildman wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>> 
>> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
>> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
>> 
> Ha. That's because smart phones don't augment your brain, they drain 
> your brain.
>
> People lose the ability to read analog clocks, multiply, divide, read a 
> map to plan a trip.
>
> They also can't go shopping all by themselves any more, they need help 
> from someone else on the phone.

You're not kidding. And, unfortunately, I'm one of them when I go to the 
grocery store. But at least I'm old enough to claim senility as a 
contributing factor.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#52621

Wildman wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Big Al wrote:
>>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>>
>>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you walk 
>>> out the door?
>>>
>>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
>>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That be 
>>> unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method of 
>>> sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
> 
> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
> 

OK, so he probably didn't make the swirling motion correctly.

I see the ladies at the grocery store staring at their
phones and they make some kind of circular motion on
the touch screen. I think that tells them "what's for supper".
It isn't all bad.

    Paul

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#52633

On 1/11/2019 10:34 PM, Paul wrote:
> Wildman wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>>>
>>>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you 
>>>> walk out the door?
>>>>
>>>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
>>>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That 
>>>> be unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method 
>>>> of sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
>>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>>
>> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
>> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
>>
> 
> OK, so he probably didn't make the swirling motion correctly.
> 
> I see the ladies at the grocery store staring at their
> phones and they make some kind of circular motion on
> the touch screen. I think that tells them "what's for supper".
> It isn't all bad.
> 
>     Paul
It could be if there's nothing in the freezer.

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