Re: A good thing or a bad thing

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, alt.os.linux, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android
Subject	Re: A good thing or a bad thing
Date	2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<vtp769$33m6j$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On Wed, 4/16/2025 4:26 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 05:28, Paul wrote:
>> On Wed, 4/16/2025 6:53 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2025 6:01 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-14 17:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Arno Welzel, 2025-04-14 13:18:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-13 15:57:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I agree, that Android has the flexibility to user other methods as
>>>>>> well, like backup apps, ADB and so on - but this needs enough experience
>>>>>> by the user like how to set up ADB on a computer or how to transfer the
>>>>>> backup to another device using USB and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>>     The methods I mentioned do not require the user to setup ADB. The
>>>>> Smart Switch Android-to-Windows backup does use a USB-cable, but no ADB.
>>>>> The Smart Switch Android app can transfer to another phone by Wi-Fi or
>>>>> USB and can backup to cloud, SD-card or USB-stick.
>>>>
>>>> That's a Samsung app, I understand. What about a generic full backup app, non adb? For any operating system, not Windows only?
>>>
>>> Don't know about a Samsung App but, in Linux, I can use a 'dd' commandline command to back up both my Windows and Linux installations.
>>>
>>> Is there a similar commandline command for Android and/or Apple Mac??
>>
>> On computing devices that support booting from a second OS, you can
>> gain "dd" access from the second OS. On my MacG4, I booted the Ubuntu PPC
>> DVD, and used Ubuntu "dd" to transfer out the disk (which would be at-rest).
>> I used a command line FTP session, and you can mix shell commands into
>> the ftp commands -- dd can be piped into a (binary) "put". And on the computer
>> I did that on, the GbE at 112MB/sec, that's the fastest interface it has got.
>>
>> But something like a phone, there are fewer opportunities for tricks like that.
>> Rooting the phone, if you can manage it, is as close as you're getting
>> to a good time.
>>
>> On at least one phone, the NAND is hidden underneath something, and
>> you can't cable up and read-out the NAND chip with external equipment.
>> For some of the devices, it's pretty well secured. You would not expect
>> a simple trick to work in such a case.
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> Or you could just use the "dd" command built into the Unix sub-system of every Mac since Mac OS X was first released in 2001...

But not make a copy of the disk while it is "hot".
The MacG4 Quad Nostril does not have VSS and shadow copy for hot backups.

The purpose of using a second OS, is so the boot drive is
not being accessed and no files are open. It's a forensic copy.

We do the same thing with Macrium backups. A "hot" backup
is good enough for most purposes, and uses VSS. But if you
want a "forensic" backup, then you boot the Macrium Rescue CD,
and the the C: drive is at-rest and you could even backup
pagefile.sys if you wanted. Not that there is a reason to
do that.

On modern Windows, the pagefile is seldom used
(in the name of SSD wear...). I don't really understand
the technical changes that made it work like that. One
reason it doesn't page, is the Memory Compressor, but that's
not the whole story. It will page, if the reserve gets too low
(you will see a "spike" of pagefile activity, which is better
than having the OS crash).

   Paul

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Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000
  A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-24 19:15 +0000
    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 +0000
      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 22:55 +0000
        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-25 08:33 +0000
          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Tango Romeo <TangoRomero@snope.com> - 2025-03-25 20:09 -0600
            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-28 19:50 +0000
              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 15:13 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-28 18:04 -0500
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 17:33 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
                Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
                Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
                Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
                Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
                Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
                Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
                Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
                Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
                Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
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                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
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