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Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference??

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: So far OT ..... DVD+R v DVD-R ... What's the difference??
Date 2025-02-27 13:27 -0500
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On Thu, 2/27/2025 10:31 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2/27/2025 8:57 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2/27/2025 3:00 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2025 2:29 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>>   Anyway, have you tried to just right-click the file in File Explorer,
>>>>>> select Properties and look at the 'Details' tab? For a normal video
>>>>>> file, File Explorer will mention the Length, Frame width and height,
>>>>>> Data rate, Total bitrate, Frame rate and Audio specs.
>>>>>
>>>>> General Details
>>>>> vid000.mp4 (name changed as suggested by others)
>>>>> Type of file:    TS file (.ts)
>>>>> Open with:    Media Player (Button "Change" which gives option to use Media Player, VLC Media Player, Windows Media Player Legacy, Firefox, Notepad, Word)
>>>>> Location: On a sub-directory of my USB Drive
>>>>> Size:    113MB (118,876,060 bytes)
>>>>> Size on Disk:    113MB (118,882,304 bytes)
>>>>> Created: Last Friday
>>>>> Modified:    Last Friday
>>>>> Accessed:    Yesterday
>>>>>
>>>>>>    If that does not help, the MediaInfo utility mentioned by Paul is
>>>>>> probably your best bet.
>>>>
>>>> If it was Transport Stream, and the "Type of file" field says .ts
>>>> then I would try an extension of .ts and feed it to VLC.
>>>>
>>>> https://recoverit.wondershare.com/video-recovery/what-is-ts-file.html
>>>
>>>   I don't think it's an actual Transport Stream file. AFAIK, the 'Type
>>> of file:' field in Properties of a file just echoes the *extension*, not
>>> the *content*.
>>>
>>>   For example, if I rename an actual MP4 file to .ts, Properties says
>>> "Type of file: TS file (.ts)", i.e. matching the extesion, not the
>>> actual content. The thumbnail in File Explorer changes (from showing the
>>> picture) to an Media Player icon. And when open the file, it plays just
>>> fine in Media Player.
>>>
>>>   So I don't understand why Daniel's vid000.mp4 file would say "Type of
>>> file: TS file (.ts)" in Properties.
>>>
>>>   Of course I *hope* I'm wrong and that a rename to .ts will solve
>>> Daniel's problem.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> Even when the file extension is .mp4, MediaInfo says it is MPEG-ts.
>> You have to stretch the window nice and wide, as the person who wrote the
>> program, wasn't too worried about formatting.
>>
>>    [Picture]
>>
>>     https://i.postimg.cc/bwBKGDcy/MPEG-ts-detection.gif
> 
>   Thanks. So let's hope that File Explorer's Properties "Type of file:"
> is smarter than I thought it is, and is looking at the *content* of the
> file, not at the *extension*.
> 
>   Could you do a (File Explorer) 'Properties' on your 'Nine.mp4' file
> and report what it says under "Type of file:"? That would tell us one
> way or the other whether (FE) 'Properties' is smart or dumb.
> 
> [...]
> 

I tried it. I named my sample file from the Internet

   Nine.mp4

and File Explorer says

   File Type:  MP4

That is because Windows "trusts" the file extension.

If I remove the extension entirely, File Explorer says

   File Type:  file

so it hasn't a clue what it is then. The object-oriented
launching of an application, based on the file type, in Windows,
is centered around the declared extension.

*******

However, when I change the extension back to the original (download) value

   Nine.ts

now, suddenly, doing a Properties in File Explorer, gives this

   Video

   Length:            00:01:02         (Sixty two seconds)
   Frame width:       720
   Frame height:      576              (Aussie PAL TV)
   Data rate:         5291 kbps        (Must be on a multiplex, multiple streams on one 6MHz channel)
   Total bitrate:     5387 kbps
   Frame rate:        25.00 frames/second

   Audio

   Bit rate:          96 kbps
   Channels:          2 (stereo)
   Audio Sample Rate: 48.000 kHz

And that means, Windows applied a TS specific filter, to collect
that metadata about the video. Such metadata would also show
up if you used Indexed Search and asked for "width=720"
and then that item would show up in the list.

When the file extension was MP4, it applied the MP4 filter
which failed to find anything.

And Windows doesn't have filters for everything, and even
applying the correct extension might elicit no useful response
at all. It's a "best effort" not a guarantee, and that's
true of most multimedia topics anyway.

   Paul

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