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  HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 00:49 +0000
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-28 19:30 -0600
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 02:58 +0000
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-01-28 18:51 -0800
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 03:02 +0000
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-29 02:22 -0500
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:28 -0500
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 13:45 +0000
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-29 16:54 +0100
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 11:16 -0500
                Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-29 08:25 -0800
                  Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 11:43 -0500
                    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-29 10:16 -0800
                      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-29 14:34 -0600
                        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 20:00 -0500
                          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-30 02:51 +0000
                            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-30 09:35 +0000
                              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-30 14:17 +0000
                      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:30 -0500
                        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-29 14:04 -0800
                        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-29 16:21 -0600
                          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 20:05 -0500
                    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "john" <z@z.z> - 2016-02-02 08:42 -0800
                  Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-29 19:40 +0100
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:22 -0500
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:25 -0500
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:20 -0500
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> - 2016-01-30 18:30 +0100
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-30 10:26 -0800
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Compu <hotwheels14901@me.com> - 2016-02-01 15:47 -0500
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-01 17:56 -0600
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-02-01 20:32 -0800
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 11:46 -0600
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Compu <hotwheels14901@me.com> - 2016-02-02 13:01 -0500
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 12:07 -0600
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-02-02 10:14 -0800
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-02-02 18:22 +0000
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-03 13:24 -0600
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-02-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-02-05 11:44 +0000
                  Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-02-06 20:57 +0000
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-02 15:32 +0100
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 11:54 -0600
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Compu <hotwheels14901@me.com> - 2016-02-02 12:29 -0500

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#186850

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:30:14 -0500
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

> Laptops are just a temporary tool when I am not at home. My rules are
> should be useful but not expensive because they get dropped, hard to
> fix, and you don't upgrade them your replace them. It is my desktop
> that I put my money into.

I completely agree.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186855

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:21:04 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:

>On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:30:14 -0500
>"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Laptops are just a temporary tool when I am not at home. My rules are
>> should be useful but not expensive because they get dropped, hard to
>> fix, and you don't upgrade them your replace them. It is my desktop
>> that I put my money into.
>
>I completely agree.
>
>Cybe R. Wizard

  I still build and own full size "desktop" PCs as well, and completely
agree, but laptops have these things called 'docking stations' now,
which make a powerful laptop into a desktop device in a pretty robust
way.  I do not have one, but I may on my next laptop.

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#186917

"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:n8g4n0$5ul$1@dont-email.me...
> Marek Novotny wrote:
>> On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, my T450 is the same. What brain-dead moron decided it was a good
>> idea to remove the light indicator from caps-lock... Well, I don't often
>> hit it by mistake and it is obvious when I do because everything is
>> upper case all of the sudden. But I'm a little mad at Lenovo for such
>> things.

I bought an acer early last year - good computer, fast etc, Mate 14.04  but 
they also removed the caplock indicator - maybe it's part of a trend?  But I 
agree - pain in the ass for console work

>
> The problem is if you are typing a password there is no feedback so it has 
> to fail first and then you have to typo some random characters to verify 
> if capslock is on or off. Dumb, dumb, dumb. My problem is they did not 
> have "keyboarding" when I went to school, and typing was reserved for the 
> business/technical, non-college-bound, track for girls...never learned to 
> touch type. hen-pecked for so long I cannot seem to learn now. :-(
>
>>

I failed typing at high school at 9 WPM - but now (many decades later) I can 
type with 10 fingers faster than I can scribble with my hands, - almost as 
fast as I can think, and be a lot more coherant at the same time!! :) 

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#186843

Op 29-01-16 om 17:25 schreef Marek Novotny:
> One other note on Lenovo. When you are buying one make sure you get it
> with an IPS panel. Otherwise their screens tend to suck. Seriously
> considering replacing the screen. Don't know why they don't just use IPS
> on all their machines.
At work we are a Lenovo shop so I get to see quite a few.
It's the XXXs types that have the sucky screen, apparently they are more 
energy efficient.

Like my (company) T430s has one and when in Win7 I have to set the task 
bar to 'Hide' for Outlook calender to display all entries.
With the task bar in sight the calender will hide most entries ???

Colleagues with the T430 don't have this problem

In Kubuntu I've moved the taskbar (Panel) to the left, much better for a 
wide screen.

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#186826

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:02:57 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> Gave us:

>I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store tomorrow 
>so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the computer. I'll 
>take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching, see what happens. 
>Thanks for your reply.

  12GB RAM...  Hard to pass up.  Seems like a really good deal.

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#186827

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 03:02:57 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> Gave us:

>I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store tomorrow 
>so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the computer. I'll 
>take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching, see what happens. 
>Thanks for your reply.

  Only a 5400 rpm drive though.  Stick a Seagate Hybrid in there for
super fast performance while still retaining capacity.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=seagate+hybrid+drive

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#186825

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:49:29 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> Gave us:

>HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop
>
>A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the 
>moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>
><http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
>processor.product.286008#>
>
>Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the Windows 
>10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as Mint or 
>Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I found one page 
>at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.


  HP is typically very Linux friendly, both hardware and corporate
structure-wise.

That one looks like it would absolutely be no problem, but I cannot say
for sure.  They may have a support forum where such a question would get
answered pretty quickly.

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#186872

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>:

> HP is typically very Linux friendly, both hardware and corporate
> structure-wise.

This user doesn't seem to agree:
"I bought a new HP notebook (...), which gave me a lot of trouble when
trying to set it up with UEFI and GNU/Linux. The notebook just did not
want to boot my favourite GNU/Linux distribution, Arch Linux, although
everything was installed and configured correctly. It took me quite a
while to understand HP's rather stupid implementation of UEFI. While
investigating that issue, I found that quite a lot people had similar
problems with their HP notebooks (although different models). So this
seems to affect all kinds of HP notebooks. This section covers
troubleshooting and workarounds of UEFI boot problems with HP
notebooks (...)"
From:  
http://fomori.org/blog/?p=892

Yrrah

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#186873

On 2016-01-30, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> wrote:
> This user doesn't seem to agree:
> "I bought a new HP notebook (...), which gave me a lot of trouble when
> trying to set it up with UEFI and GNU/Linux. The notebook just did not
> want to boot my favourite GNU/Linux distribution, Arch Linux, although
> everything was installed and configured correctly. It took me quite a
> while to understand HP's rather stupid implementation of UEFI. While
> investigating that issue, I found that quite a lot people had similar
> problems with their HP notebooks (although different models). So this
> seems to affect all kinds of HP notebooks. This section covers
> troubleshooting and workarounds of UEFI boot problems with HP
> notebooks (...)"
> From:  
> http://fomori.org/blog/?p=892

Yeah, not a fan of HP. Dell is okay on their XPS series *IF* you are
careful and use their customize feature to select things like intel
WiFi. But even if you don't you can run over to NewEgg and buy 2x2 WiFi
cards for your laptop. I found the 7250 and I think the 6200 and bought
a bunch of them. FreeBSD works with the intel 6200 series and more
modern versions of Linux work well with the Intel 7250. So far every XPS
I have tried to install Linux wasn't difficult at all as a result. 

The Lenovo T450 I bought was simple as well. Same basic issue. Just
check the WiFi. Typically if you have a broadcom it is a pain and if you
can use an intel you'll be better off. 

And for towers, if you build it, I doubt you have any trouble at all.
MSI, Gigabyte, Intel, ASROCK and so on all work well with Linux or
FreeBSD. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#186891

On 01/28/2016 07:49 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop
>
> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the
> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>
> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
> processor.product.286008#>
>
> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the Windows
> 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as Mint or
> Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I found one page
> at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
>
if you mean remove windows 10 and replace it with ubuntu then yes, that 
is an option in the ubuntu installer on the ubuntu live dvd

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#186896

On 02/01/2016 02:47 PM, Compu wrote:

[snip]

> if you mean remove windows 10 and replace it with ubuntu then yes, that
> is an option in the ubuntu installer on the ubuntu live dvd

I had one recent laptop (IIRC, Toshiba Satellite) that made it hard. It 
wouldn't boot Ubuntu until I turned on "legacy boot" and reformatted the 
HD as MBR.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Sunday School: A prison in which children do penance for the evil
conscience of their parents." [H.L. Mencken]

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#186901

On 02/01/2016 03:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

> It wouldn't boot Ubuntu until I turned on "legacy boot" and reformatted
> the HD as MBR

you had to do /both/ ?

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#186920

On 02/01/2016 10:32 PM, jeff g. wrote:
> On 02/01/2016 03:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't boot Ubuntu until I turned on "legacy boot" and reformatted
>> the HD as MBR
>
> you had to do /both/ ?
>

How would just one have worked? This PC came with a GPT disk.

IIRC:

1. Without any changes, this PC would not boot from the Ubuntu DVD.

2. I turned off "secure boot". It still wouldn't work.

3. I turned on "legacy boot". The DVD would now boot.

4. I installed Ubuntu. The hard disk would not boot.

5. I now reformatted the HD (500GB) to use MBR, and re-installed. Ubuntu 
now boots.

Are you saying you would have done it differently?

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Treasures well used on earth will help the world more than treasures
laid up in heaven." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible Worth Reading And
Other Essays_, 1911]

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#186922

On 02/02/2016 12:46 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 02/01/2016 10:32 PM, jeff g. wrote:
>> On 02/01/2016 03:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> It wouldn't boot Ubuntu until I turned on "legacy boot" and reformatted
>>> the HD as MBR
>>
>> you had to do /both/ ?
>>
>
> How would just one have worked? This PC came with a GPT disk.
>
> IIRC:
>
> 1. Without any changes, this PC would not boot from the Ubuntu DVD.
>
> 2. I turned off "secure boot". It still wouldn't work.
>
> 3. I turned on "legacy boot". The DVD would now boot.
>
> 4. I installed Ubuntu. The hard disk would not boot.
>
> 5. I now reformatted the HD (500GB) to use MBR, and re-installed. Ubuntu
> now boots.
>
> Are you saying you would have done it differently?
>
did u download ur ubuntu ISO from www.ubuntu.com?
what version of ubuntu is it?

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#186923

On 02/02/2016 12:01 PM, Compu wrote:

[snip]

> did u download ur ubuntu ISO from www.ubuntu.com?
> what version of ubuntu is it?

Yes. 15.04 64-bit (since upgraded to 15.10 from the same source).

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Treasures well used on earth will help the world more than treasures
laid up in heaven." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible Worth Reading And
Other Essays_, 1911]

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#186925

On 02/02/2016 09:46 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 02/01/2016 10:32 PM, jeff g. wrote:
>> On 02/01/2016 03:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> It wouldn't boot Ubuntu until I turned on "legacy boot" and reformatted
>>> the HD as MBR
>>
>> you had to do /both/ ?
>>
>
> How would just one have worked? This PC came with a GPT disk.
>
> IIRC:
>
> 1. Without any changes, this PC would not boot from the Ubuntu DVD.
>
> 2. I turned off "secure boot". It still wouldn't work.
>
> 3. I turned on "legacy boot". The DVD would now boot.
>
> 4. I installed Ubuntu. The hard disk would not boot.
>
> 5. I now reformatted the HD (500GB) to use MBR, and re-installed. Ubuntu
> now boots.
>
> Are you saying you would have done it differently?
>
yes, I formatted to GPT (with EFL partition), legacy boot with secure 
off & it booted fine (not doing dual boot).  This was a Thinkpad...

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#186927

On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:46:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

> 4. I installed Ubuntu. The hard disk would not boot.
> 
> 5. I now reformatted the HD (500GB) to use MBR, and re-installed. Ubuntu
> now boots.
> 
> Are you saying you would have done it differently?

  Ever stop to think that may have merely been a boot loader issue, not a 
Linux or Ubuntu issue?

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#186997

On 02/02/2016 12:22 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:46:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>> 4. I installed Ubuntu. The hard disk would not boot.
>>
>> 5. I now reformatted the HD (500GB) to use MBR, and re-installed. Ubuntu
>> now boots.
>>
>> Are you saying you would have done it differently?
>
>    Ever stop to think that may have merely been a boot loader issue, not a
> Linux or Ubuntu issue?
>

It could have been. I didn't test it with GPT after booting, or a 
different bootloader.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Ultimate office automation: networked coffee."

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#187095

On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 18:22:05 +0000, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:46:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> 
>> 4. I installed Ubuntu. The hard disk would not boot.
>> 
>> 5. I now reformatted the HD (500GB) to use MBR, and re-installed.
>> Ubuntu now boots.
>> 
>> Are you saying you would have done it differently?
> 
>   Ever stop to think that may have merely been a boot loader issue,

Ever stop to think that the best part of you ran down the crack of your 
momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress?

Fuck off and die, you ignorant fucking stooge of a Win-droid troll.


-- 
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"Bother!" said Pooh, as Pelosi moved out of range.
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#187099

On Fri, 05 Feb 2016 07:29:59 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> Ever stop

  Ever stop being a stalking, retarded troll fuck?

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