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  Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-26 12:04 -0200
    Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-26 09:56 -0600
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2016-01-26 09:36 -0800
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-26 11:59 -0600
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2016-01-26 10:11 -0800
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-27 04:59 -0700
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-01-26 19:39 +0100
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-26 13:10 -0600
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-01-26 13:12 -0600
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-27 04:58 -0700
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-27 13:16 +0100
            Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-27 06:37 -0700
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-27 10:23 +0100
    Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-26 15:15 -0800
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-01-27 00:16 +0000
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-27 02:26 +0000
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-27 06:12 -0500
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-27 09:00 -0500
            Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 09:03 -0500
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 00:46 -0500
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-26 22:57 -0800
            Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 03:35 -0500
              Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-27 08:55 -0600
                Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 10:10 -0500
                  Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-27 09:15 -0600
                    Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 10:20 -0500
                    Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 10:28 -0500
                    Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-27 10:06 -0600
                      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 11:19 -0500
                        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-27 10:58 -0600
                          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 16:11 -0500
                      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-27 10:36 -0600
                        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-27 10:41 -0600
                          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 16:08 -0500
                Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 10:13 -0500
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-26 22:45 -0800
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 03:28 -0500
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-27 05:57 -0500
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-27 13:08 +0100
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 07:49 -0500
            Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-27 23:41 +0100
            Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> - 2016-01-29 07:27 -0600
              Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 08:49 -0500
                Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:23 -0600
                  Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 12:59 -0500
                    Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-29 21:26 +0000
                      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 20:01 -0500
                        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-30 12:41 +0000
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 00:41 -0500
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-26 22:56 -0800
          Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 03:32 -0500
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 00:41 -0500
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 00:43 -0500
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 00:44 -0500
      Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-27 05:41 -0700
        Re: "Linux is not fragmented; it's united" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 07:52 -0500

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#186771

Op 27-01-16 om 13:49 schreef DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno:
>> Linux is more like a large selection of Whiskies, from simple and easy
>> >to very complex and an acquired taste.
>    Maker's Mark is pretty good stuff.

Right now: Glen Gariouch.
Only very small sips.
>> >
>> >Mikey was told by his mom that as long as he lives in her basement he
>> >can choose between Coke and Pepsi.
>    Dr. Pepper.  Rarely drink any other.

Tea and water, but not with the Whisky!

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#186829

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote
in news:h5fhabljae3h132t08u3kndg927n59i576@4ax.com: 


> 
>   Dr. Pepper.  Rarely drink any other.

There is no . after Dr in the name.

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#186831

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:27:33 -0600, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> Gave us:

>DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote
>in news:h5fhabljae3h132t08u3kndg927n59i576@4ax.com: 
>
>
>> 
>>   Dr. Pepper.  Rarely drink any other.
>
>There is no . after Dr in the name.

  There is only one . in thisnthat@roadrunner.com

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#186836

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:49:33 -0500
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:27:33 -0600, DanS
> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> Gave us:
> 
> >DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote
> >in news:h5fhabljae3h132t08u3kndg927n59i576@4ax.com: 
> >
> >  
> >> 
> >>   Dr. Pepper.  Rarely drink any other.  
> >
> >There is no . after Dr in the name.  
> 
>   There is only one . in thisnthat@roadrunner.com

Arrr, hoist on his own petard!  Pedantic is as pedantic does.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186841

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:23:53 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:

>On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:49:33 -0500
>DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:27:33 -0600, DanS
>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> Gave us:
>> 
>> >DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote
>> >in news:h5fhabljae3h132t08u3kndg927n59i576@4ax.com: 
>> >
>> >  
>> >> 
>> >>   Dr. Pepper.  Rarely drink any other.  
>> >
>> >There is no . after Dr in the name.  
>> 
>>   There is only one . in thisnthat@roadrunner.com
>
>Arrr, hoist on his own petard!  Pedantic is as pedantic does.
>
>Cybe R. Wizard


  Run, Forrest, run! (for the forrest.

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#186847

On 2016-01-29, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:23:53 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
><cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:49:33 -0500
>>DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:27:33 -0600, DanS
>>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> Gave us:
>>> 
>>> >DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote
>>> >in news:h5fhabljae3h132t08u3kndg927n59i576@4ax.com: 
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> >> 
>>> >>   Dr. Pepper.  Rarely drink any other.  
>>> >
>>> >There is no . after Dr in the name.  
>>> 
>>>   There is only one . in thisnthat@roadrunner.com
>>
>>Arrr, hoist on his own petard!  Pedantic is as pedantic does.
>>
>>Cybe R. Wizard
>
>
>   Run, Forrest, run! (for the forrest.

Drunk again?
Too bad you can't own a gun.

-- 
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#186854

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:26:16 -0000 (UTC), Catzilla
<catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> Gave us:

>Too bad you can't own a gun.

  Sure I can.  Legally or otherwise.  Want to find out proof, jackass?

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#186867

On 2016-01-30, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:26:16 -0000 (UTC), Catzilla
><catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> Gave us:
>
>>Too bad you can't own a gun.
>
>   Sure I can.  Legally or otherwise.  Want to find out proof, jackass?

Yes, prove it.
The old "post your address" gag isn't proof.

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#186707

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:15:37 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>You have a HUNDRED volunteers who could be coordinated by a team leader
>to manage the standards, maintain the (ever improving) automated
>first-line compatibility test
>suite and keep THE repository up to date and self-consistent.
>It's the same damn people.  You just have to get them to agree
>on standards and practices and pledge their support of those standards
>and practices.

  You fail to realize that any given user can install any app, not
merely those chosen by the distro's base package assembly.

  They can even install apps found elsewhere, and even author their own
as well.

  You are a clueless dweeb and you show it again and again every time it
gets explained to you and you deliberately don your horse blinders again
and again.

  Fire up a Knoppix DVD, where they notoriously install nearly
everything short of the kitchen sink, and examine the lists of apps in
each menu category, pussy.

  Essentially, YOU are about as uncoordinated as it gets and need your
hand held over and over again, and strive for hand holding across the
land.  Go back to masturbation and leave the real men alone, child.

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#186717

On 1/26/2016 9:41 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:15:37 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:
>
>> You have a HUNDRED volunteers who could be coordinated by a team leader
>> to manage the standards, maintain the (ever improving) automated
>> first-line compatibility test
>> suite and keep THE repository up to date and self-consistent.
>> It's the same damn people.  You just have to get them to agree
>> on standards and practices and pledge their support of those standards
>> and practices.
>
>    You fail to realize that any given user can install any app, not
> merely those chosen by the distro's base package assembly.

I have no problem with that.
Anybody can fuck up their system any way they want.
I advocate for a consistent default base system that lets you
modify it in an organized manner whereby the result just works.
If you wanna go rogue, do so at your own risk.  You don't need
a rogue distro to do that.  Standardized base distro will
work just fine as you go rogue with the add-ons.

>
>    They can even install apps found elsewhere, and even author their own
> as well.
>
>    You are a clueless dweeb and you show it again and again every time it
> gets explained to you and you deliberately don your horse blinders again
> and again.
>
>    Fire up a Knoppix DVD, where they notoriously install nearly
> everything short of the kitchen sink, and examine the lists of apps in
> each menu category, pussy.
>
>    Essentially, YOU are about as uncoordinated as it gets and need your
> hand held over and over again, and strive for hand holding across the
> land.  Go back to masturbation and leave the real men alone, child.

Still the fascination with sex.  There are other newsgroups where that
fascination might be indulged.
>

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#186728

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:56:27 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>Still the fascination with sex.  There are other newsgroups where that
>fascination might be indulged.
>>
  You are the one trying to perform mental masturbation in Usenet.  You
are invited to refrain from ever posting again and go back to your
little shitbox and physical masturbation, which is what you obviously
must have been doing over the last thirty years to have missed the real
work others have done, whom and which you so readily denigrate.

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#186708

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:15:37 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>Creating a custom distro would be as simple as writing the install 
>script.


  It is, idiot.  You are simply too stupid to know that such
methodologies exist.

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#186709

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:15:37 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>Well, YOU get to decide, through the various coordinated teams.

  You are obviously unaware of the plethora of Ubuntu release varieties.
Take off the horse blinders, idiot.

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#186710

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:15:37 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>Fight about it among yourselves all you want.  But present a unified
>front to the industry and users.


  Fuck off and die, child.  Go cry us a river as you leave here and go
back to your physical and mental masturbations.

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#186740

mike wrote:

> On 1/26/2016 6:04 AM, Shadow wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:49:22 +0000 (UTC), Spamblk
>> <ZapSpam@SpamMeNot.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote in
>>> <news:n860a8$os8$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>> the single repository where everything has been vetted
>>>
>>> Vetted by whom?
> 
> Say there are a hundred distros.  Each has someone determining what
> goes in the distro and how it all works together and is compatible
> with all the rest of the desktop linux stuff in the repository they
> use.
> 
> You have a HUNDRED volunteers who could be coordinated by a team
> leader to manage the standards, maintain the (ever improving)
> automated first-line compatibility test
> suite and keep THE repository up to date and self-consistent.
> It's the same damn people.  You just have to get them to agree
> on standards and practices and pledge their support of those standards
> and practices.

Demands and promises only work when there is a stick to enforce 
compliance.  The money-stick is what keeps the proprietary world in a 
constant state of eat-each-other-ness, like a school of piranhas each of 
which sees everybody else as food.

The money-stick is reaching for linux.  Fuck that.

Linux is as much an idea as it is an implementation, it is a playing-
field leveled by the ability of anyone to jump in and do whatever they 
choose.  Linux can be about the perfection of the computing Art, or it 
can be about making a bunch of money, or about becoming famous as the 
guy who figured out how to such-and-so, or whatever one chooses.

People are either in it for the Art, or they're in it for the money.

History remembers a few starving artists, a few madmen, a few 
plutocrats; pick your poison.

> Creating a custom distro would be as simple as writing the install
> script.  If there's a problem with the distro, you fix whatever is
> busted in the repository or the dependency management system and the
> test suites that should have identified the issue...because everything
> has been designed so it JUST WORKS.

The best code comes from people who wrote it because they needed it, and 
who are infected with a touch of perfectionism.  

The code that emerges from desire-for-profit generally meets the poorly-
stated requirements, more or less, if you don't mind shipping with a few 
hundred bugs left pending; but that's fine with Marketing and Executive 
Management because what they care about is the money, and not even the 
money the company will eventually receive, they money they care about is 
their personal wealth.  Fuck that.

> Some monopoly? A single distro may well result in
>>> the Ubuntufication of Linux with phoning home and systemd whether
>>> you want it or not.
> 
> Well, YOU get to decide,

I already get to decide.

> through the various coordinated teams.

Which are "led" by "leaders", oh my.

> If you don't want it to phone home, you write the compliance tests
> to reject any that do. 

Yes, that is something I am for, compliance testing; but not for 
compliance with standards and specifications, I much prefer compliance 
with the goal of quality.  Anybody can recognize shit once they've 
stepped in it, that's one of the driving principles of traditional 
economics, that people won't keep buying shit over and over.

On the other hand when you see the way the market is actually working, 
you'd be an idiot to believe that brand of economics, because if it was 
correct the only way people would keep buying shit is if the only thing 
on the market was shit.  You'd have to believe in unstated collusion 
between manufacturers, oh my, that's just compliance with standards, 
standards set by committees loaded with for-profit voters.

> That won't prevent non-compliant rogue distros
> from emerging.
> But anything calling itself LINUX must comply with standards evolving
> as the governing teams see fit.  If it's not LINUX, it
> is not guaranteed to work with the rest of LINUX.
> If it is LINUX, you can expect that intuit(turbo-tax), nvidia and
> everybody else has a stable target and the ability to make a net
> profit from their LINUX development/support efforts.
> 
> Users don't want systemd or any other operating system characteristic.
> They want APPLICATIONS that just work.
> Fight about it among yourselves all you want.  But present a unified
> front to the industry and users.

I have had about a bellyful of "the industry", since the only thing I'm 
finding for sale in my preferred form-factor is basically shit.

>>
>> Believe me, he wants it.
> 
> Your input suggests that you have no clue what I want, but that
> doesn't inhibit your vilification.
> 
> Every post he's made so far has been
>> about "privatizing" Linux, and making it a business model. For your
>> "safety"
>> []'s
>>
> Yes, that's the party line.  Call standardization privatizing and
> cast it as evil.
> 
> I've never, ever advocated privatization.  I've talked
> about standardization, coordination, cooperation, JUST WORKS
> and LINUX as a viable desktop alternative for joe average.

Suppose we let Joe Average learn enough about what is possible to get 
pissed off about the garbage The Industry is offering and stop buying 
shit.

> In the above, I've used the term "LINUX" as a moniker for the
> coordinated desktop computing platform.  I care not one bit
> what it's called or what's under the hood.  To the user,
> it's a set of apps that just work without endless, complex
> configuration
> issues.  To commercial developers, it's a means to make a buck.

Commercialism sucks unless you are under its thumb, then it's God 
Almighty.

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  [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]

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#186743

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:41:12 -0700, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Gave us:

>Demands and promises only work when there is a stick to enforce 
>compliance.  The money-stick is what keeps the proprietary world in a 
>constant state of eat-each-other-ness, like a school of piranhas each of 
>which sees everybody else as food.

  Or eat each other's shit.  I am sure the Donald J. Trump corporate
hierarchy works in that manner, except he gets caviar, while they all
have to eat his shit.

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