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| Started by | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| First post | 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 186 — 25 participants |
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DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 23:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:20 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 23:26 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-28 13:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 00:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:42 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:02 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-30 15:32 +0200
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 15:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:24 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:39 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:37 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:23 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Windows Devil <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2025-10-27 18:19 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 11:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:32 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-28 22:09 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:27 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:57 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 10:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:30 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:22 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:59 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:33 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:58 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 12:00 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-11-01 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:07 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:21 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:07 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-01 02:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-03 10:40 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 13:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-04 05:24 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 21:41 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 12:41 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 13:04 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-05 00:45 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-04 12:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:51 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:45 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:55 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2025-10-28 07:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:46 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:03 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:10 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 17:33 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:18 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:36 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 01:05 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:05 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users marc <marc@none.of.your.business> - 2025-10-30 18:20 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:46 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:57 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 11:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 13:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 13:51 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 22:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-30 10:16 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:04 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:34 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:01 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e3f0b$rpu5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45801 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:23:35 -0400, Paul wrote: > The OSes don't really "invent" a lot of stuff. Even ignoring what originally came from AT&T/Bell Labs Unix: The core concept of a GUI display server that runs in userland and is not part of the kernel originated with X11 (and its precursors) in the *nix world. The *nix world (Linux/BSD) invented integrated package management. Microsoft copied its TCP/IP stack from BSD. The “LAMP stack” (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) as the traditional basis for developing websites was never seriously threatened by Microsoft’s attempt at “WAMP” (substituting overpriced, inflexible Windows Server for Linux, and possibly IIS+ASP for Apache+PHP as well). In fact, Windows Server now seems to be becoming a “legacy” product. The Linux world invented the concept of containers. This is actually built on the idea of partitioning all kernel objects into namespaces -- another Linux innovation. The new concept of “AI workstations” seems to be primarily if not entirely Linux-based. > But they copy from one another, incessantly and at high speed. What we are seeing over the past few years/decades is the proprietary platforms falling further and further behind, as their lack of flexibility limits their ability to copy some of the newer concepts originating in Free software.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e5go7.3rc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45817 |
Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 08:23:35 -0400, Paul wrote: > > > The OSes don't really "invent" a lot of stuff. > > Even ignoring what originally came from AT&T/Bell Labs Unix: > > The core concept of a GUI display server that runs in userland and is not > part of the kernel originated with X11 (and its precursors) in the *nix > world. 'True', but we (HP) had a such a server before X11 (HP Windows/9000) and later I used a (non-HP) X11 server on (Microsoft) Windows, so go figure, who 'copied' what from whom!? :-) [...]
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e2m1p.o20.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45792 |
Felix <none@not.here> wrote: > Frank Slootweg wrote: > > s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > > [...] > > > >> I've been playing with various Linux distributions for years now. Mostly > >> live USB and on a rare occasion an old computer. Now I have a laptop > >> with Linux Mint to experiment. > >> > >> The main thing that hold me back is the loss of the freeware that I use > >> on W11. The only paid software I have is W11, Dashcam Viewer and Forté > >> Agent and I definitely don't want to loose that. I know it runs under > >> Wine (sort of), but it doesn't support SSL, so I would have to work with > >> something like stunnel. > > > > Exactly! "It's the apps, stupid!" No point changing to a 'better' OS > > if it can't run your software. > > > > That's why I, a Unix/UNIX veteran, still use Windows. For historical > > (hysterical?) reasons, I'm using Windows. Way, way too much effort to > > switch to a 'better' OS. And *why*? To *lose* functionality/ > > compatibility? Yeah right! > > LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. Exactly *which* part of "It's the apps, stupid!" did you miss or not understand!? Who *cares* if it "is easier and simpler to use" if it doesn't run your programs? > Software manager installs programs with just one click, and does updates > for them, installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. Timeshift > backs up your system and files daily. It's a complete 'in house' system, > everything is done for you. and the OS and software is all free, Paul already responded to / debunked these, so I don't have to. > no > accounts necessary, and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you > do. Earth to Linux fanboi(s): Windows does *not* need a Microsoft Account (I always had and still have only a local account) and if one isn't totally clueless, Microsoft is *not* "controlling and monitoring everything you do". > I'm so glad I switched. Good on you. And, as I wrote, *I* am glad with what works for *me*. And as Paul said, Windows users don't do silly advocacy. You would have a hard time finding Windows users trying to convince users of other OSs to switch to Windows. Why? Because it's stupid. Bottom line: Being happy with what you have is of course fine, zealotry not so much.
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmkukmF5k6vU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45804 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Felix <none@not.here> wrote: >> Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>> [...] >>> >>>> I've been playing with various Linux distributions for years now. Mostly >>>> live USB and on a rare occasion an old computer. Now I have a laptop >>>> with Linux Mint to experiment. >>>> >>>> The main thing that hold me back is the loss of the freeware that I use >>>> on W11. The only paid software I have is W11, Dashcam Viewer and Forté >>>> Agent and I definitely don't want to loose that. I know it runs under >>>> Wine (sort of), but it doesn't support SSL, so I would have to work with >>>> something like stunnel. >>> Exactly! "It's the apps, stupid!" No point changing to a 'better' OS >>> if it can't run your software. >>> >>> That's why I, a Unix/UNIX veteran, still use Windows. For historical >>> (hysterical?) reasons, I'm using Windows. Way, way too much effort to >>> switch to a 'better' OS. And *why*? To *lose* functionality/ >>> compatibility? Yeah right! >> LM (Linux Mint) is easier and simpler to use than Windows will ever be. > Exactly *which* part of "It's the apps, stupid!" did you miss or not > understand!? > > Who *cares* if it "is easier and simpler to use" if it doesn't run your > programs? > >> Software manager installs programs with just one click, and does updates >> for them, installs all needed drivers and keeps them updated. Timeshift >> backs up your system and files daily. It's a complete 'in house' system, >> everything is done for you. and the OS and software is all free, > Paul already responded to / debunked these, so I don't have to. > >> no >> accounts necessary, and no M$ controlling and monitoring everything you >> do. > Earth to Linux fanboi(s): Windows does *not* need a Microsoft Account > (I always had and still have only a local account) and if one isn't > totally clueless, Microsoft is *not* "controlling and monitoring > everything you do". > >> I'm so glad I switched. > Good on you. And, as I wrote, *I* am glad with what works for *me*. so we're both happy then > > And as Paul said, Windows users don't do silly advocacy. You would > have a hard time finding Windows users trying to convince users of other > OSs to switch to Windows. Why? Because it's stupid. > > Bottom line: Being happy with what you have is of course fine, > zealotry not so much. -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 21:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <32h7gk90pp96a3nuqqeitqiad49ob15bj3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #45731 |
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 19:57:34 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >The main thing that hold me back is the loss of the freeware that I use >on W11. The only paid software I have is W11, Dashcam Viewer and Forté >Agent and I definitely don't want to loose that. I know it runs under >Wine (sort of), but it doesn't support SSL, so I would have to work with >something like stunnel. I run Forté Agent without problems ( email and newsgroups ) on Mint v22.x in PlayOnLinux with Wine v9. You don't need to run it in PlayOnLinux, but for the moment I use POL as frontend. you need to make the following configuration change in AGENT.INI. AllowedSSLProtocols=2688 if that's your problem with running Forté Agent on Mint.
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 21:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmi0piFl9q8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45773 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:18:33 +0100, lisa wrote: > I run Forté Agent without problems ( email and newsgroups ) > on Mint v22.x in PlayOnLinux with Wine v9. You don't need to run it in > PlayOnLinux, but for the moment I use POL as frontend. I will give it a go. Last time I tried this it was under Wine. I also remember the fonts acting funky: unread messages not bold or coloured red. But there was a fix to this (choose another font). > you need to make the following configuration change in AGENT.INI. > > AllowedSSLProtocols=2688 > > if that's your problem with running Forté Agent on Mint. This is now set to AllowedSSLProtocols=10880 This was based on: From: Ralph Fox Newsgroups: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent Subject: Notice: Agent and SSL Message-ID: <p8hpuglnb0tot2oot3ob7m8n1k940kfgcl@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:22:04 +1300 because I'm running W11. Your setting is meant for Windows before Windows 10 version 1903. -- s|b
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| From | lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 22:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <85n7gk508177gnthutjuvv86860v37u5rj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #45776 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:40:24 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:18:33 +0100, lisa wrote: > >> I run Forté Agent without problems ( email and newsgroups ) >> on Mint v22.x in PlayOnLinux with Wine v9. You don't need to run it in >> PlayOnLinux, but for the moment I use POL as frontend. > >I will give it a go. Last time I tried this it was under Wine. I also >remember the fonts acting funky: unread messages not bold or coloured >red. But there was a fix to this (choose another font). > >> you need to make the following configuration change in AGENT.INI. >> >> AllowedSSLProtocols=2688 >> >> if that's your problem with running Forté Agent on Mint. > >This is now set to > >AllowedSSLProtocols=10880 > >This was based on: > >From: Ralph Fox >Newsgroups: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent >Subject: Notice: Agent and SSL >Message-ID: <p8hpuglnb0tot2oot3ob7m8n1k940kfgcl@4ax.com> >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:22:04 +1300 > >because I'm running W11. Your setting is meant for Windows before >Windows 10 version 1903. I know and I have a copy of that answer. But 2688 is for me a working setting in Linux Mint v22.x and I thought your problem was Mint related. Most likely 10880 will work too.
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 19:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmket1F38pfU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45785 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 22:51:56 +0100, lisa wrote: > I know and I have a copy of that answer. But 2688 is for me a working > setting in Linux Mint v22.x and I thought your problem was Mint > related. Most likely 10880 will work too. I does. I tested it today. -- s|b
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 18:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e0oha$1vc9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45776 |
On Thu, 10/30/2025 4:40 PM, s|b wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:18:33 +0100, lisa wrote: > >> I run Forté Agent without problems ( email and newsgroups ) >> on Mint v22.x in PlayOnLinux with Wine v9. You don't need to run it in >> PlayOnLinux, but for the moment I use POL as frontend. > > I will give it a go. Last time I tried this it was under Wine. I also > remember the fonts acting funky: unread messages not bold or coloured > red. But there was a fix to this (choose another font). > >> you need to make the following configuration change in AGENT.INI. >> >> AllowedSSLProtocols=2688 >> >> if that's your problem with running Forté Agent on Mint. > > This is now set to > > AllowedSSLProtocols=10880 > > This was based on: > > From: Ralph Fox > Newsgroups: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent > Subject: Notice: Agent and SSL > Message-ID: <p8hpuglnb0tot2oot3ob7m8n1k940kfgcl@4ax.com> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:22:04 +1300 > > because I'm running W11. Your setting is meant for Windows before > Windows 10 version 1903. > There are a set of free Microsoft fonts (as a package) that may be listed in WineTricks. They might have been TrueType ones, basic ones (like a TimesRoman maybe, plus a few others). I'm not very good at the Wine thing, of picking items, to fix problems there. The fonts might improve the appearance of an application that relies on those being in the system folder. All I remember, is you need to enable multilib, in order for wine32 and wine64 to both be available. And Forte Agent might be a wine32 candidate. A pre-boiled environment can include some of these things, but the multilib might be in Synaptic or something. It's a library setting that allows coexistence with 64-bit libraries. Otherwise, you might look for wine32 and not find it. When it comes to other libraries, you have to look some of those up, to figure out whether you should be using a WineTricks entry, or you should just download the package directly from Microsoft and install it. That's one of the reasons I had to start over, setting up WINE. Generally speaking, if you plan on making WINE adjustments on a given day, make a backup first in case you need to roll it back. You don't have to do too many things, to get WINE ready to roll, but if someone doesn't warn you about the "sharp edges and missing warnings", this can easily turn you off on the usage of WINE. It could be so much better with a few defaults tossed in. Like if the WineTricks has 100 entries in it, you might only need a small number like five or seven of them. There is no requirement to "push all the buttons". Some people like to carpet bomb softwares that have tick boxes, and that is also going to lead to frustration if you get carried away. As some of the tick boxes "must not be ticked". You tick just the ones that are justifiable dependencies (like, you're going to need some amount of .NET to make a workable thing). Paul
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 20:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmkhvfF3qktU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45787 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 18:23:38 -0400, Paul wrote: > There are a set of free Microsoft fonts (as a package) > that may be listed in WineTricks. They might have been > TrueType ones, basic ones (like a TimesRoman maybe, plus > a few others). I'm not very good at the Wine thing, > of picking items, to fix problems there. The fonts might > improve the appearance of an application that relies on > those being in the system folder. 8< snip >8 Ah, yes, I remember this from my past experiments; I installed (free) TrueType fonts. I don't know if it's PlayOnLinux or maybe Wine got better (aged), but I don't seem to have that same bug when I used POL to install Agent. -- s|b
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| From | Stan Brown <someone@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.43693a37b3efe06a990479@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45635 |
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 08:14:46 -0400, Alan K. wrote: > DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week. > Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL. > > Short read. > > https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa Thanks for pointing this out, Alan. I've heard of distrowatch but never visited the site. As someone who intended four years ago to dual-boot Linux and Windows but hasn't done squat about it yet, I value the simple and clear advice in that article. Linux Mint may or may not be the best distro for me in the long run, but it's a starting point -- as the author points out I can always change later. -- "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10do9em$11rl5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45647 |
On Mon, 10/27/2025 12:14 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 08:14:46 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
>> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
>> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
>>
>> Short read.
>>
>> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
>
>
> Thanks for pointing this out, Alan.
>
> I've heard of distrowatch but never visited the site. As someone who
> intended four years ago to dual-boot Linux and Windows but hasn't
> done squat about it yet, I value the simple and clear advice in that
> article. Linux Mint may or may not be the best distro for me in the
> long run, but it's a starting point -- as the author points out I can
> always change later.
>
I prefer to let people test for themselves and learn
from their mistakes, but if I must, if my hand is forced
by "advice" articles, I'll comment.
1) Linux Mint has one software offering with 5.15 kernel.
This is most likely to run properly on ten year old PCs.
If the Ex-Windows users are inconvenienced by their
ten year old PC (too old for the WinOptions, fit for the garbage),
then a ten year old compatible solution should be quoted.
Jesse Smith tested with *way too modern* hardware
for this test. That is a disservice to the readers.
Jesse probably didn't even notice which 6.x kernel was running.
Yes, 6.x runs fine... *on new hardware*.
2) Wayland runs at half the speed of X11. Does anyone care ?
Not really. But I bet... someone with sad ass hardware cares.
Nobody sporting a 14900K and an RXT5090 cares about this.
3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old
hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled
up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article
is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece
of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my
Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card,
now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a
refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT,
you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video
driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ?
There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware"
article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford
new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware,
and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine.
The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself,
so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like
Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment
crowd.
And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write.
We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment
real people own, would run with the materials in question.
Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my
HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference
by doing fallback rendering ?
I have *plenty* of experience with this, having run
Linux VMs in "Virtual PC for Windows", no drivers,
no acceleration, no mercy. (Virtual PC is virtualization
with only one CPU core, no video acceleration, fallback
rendering relying on a CPU core for its operation.)
I know what it's like to use shit that doesn't run well.
It's a disservice to have people erasing their C: drive
and stepping into this with actual *physical* installs
into an unknown environment. Who will help them when
they're squealing ???
I would not have minded this article, if the promoted OS offering
had 5.15 kernel, as fewer individuals would be inconvenienced
by what they don't know about the situation. If my hardware
was only three years old, yes, the new shiny would be fine.
Both situations should be addressed. There is actually a sharp
divide here, *new* hardware left-only, *old* hardware right-only.
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint
7-LMDE gigi 21.3 Virginia
----------- -------------
Release Date 2025-10-14 2024-01-10
2030-06 2027-04
Package 7-LMDE gigi 21.3 Virginia
linux (6.17.5) 6.12.48 5.15 <=== release kernel with package
There are two crowds out there. The group throwing out their
computers, are the people who are "right-only" column people.
Paul
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| From | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dobs8$12c4i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45648 |
On 10/27/25 1:17 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 10/27/2025 12:14 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 08:14:46 -0400, Alan K. wrote:
>>> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
>>> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
>>>
>>> Short read.
>>>
>>> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
>>
> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint
>
> 7-LMDE gigi 21.3 Virginia
> ----------- -------------
> Release Date 2025-10-14 2024-01-10
> 2030-06 2027-04
>
> Package 7-LMDE gigi 21.3 Virginia
>
> linux (6.17.5) 6.12.48 5.15 <=== release kernel with package
>
> There are two crowds out there. The group throwing out their
> computers, are the people who are "right-only" column people.
>
> Paul
My 22.2 linux is running 6.8.0-86 kernel. Granted 21.3 really IS old.
--
Linux Mint 22.2, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.4.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 144.0
Alan K.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10doe7v$rlc8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45648 |
On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: [] > 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old Either Linux _or_ Windows. > hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled > up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article > is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece > of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my Because, as you said, nobody cares. > Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card, > now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a > refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT, > you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video > driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ? > > There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" > article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware, > and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine. > > The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself, > so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like > Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment > crowd. > > And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write. > We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment > real people own, would run with the materials in question. > > Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my > HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference > by doing fallback rendering ? The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. > > I have *plenty* of experience with this, having run > Linux VMs in "Virtual PC for Windows", no drivers, > no acceleration, no mercy. (Virtual PC is virtualization > with only one CPU core, no video acceleration, fallback > rendering relying on a CPU core for its operation.) > I know what it's like to use shit that doesn't run well. :-) > It's a disservice to have people erasing their C: drive > and stepping into this with actual *physical* installs > into an unknown environment. Who will help them when > they're squealing ??? Certainly, the cheapness of "drive" capacity is such that erasing, rather than dual-booting, is something to be avoided, IMO, at least for a transitional period. > > I would not have minded this article, if the promoted OS offering > had 5.15 kernel, as fewer individuals would be inconvenienced > by what they don't know about the situation. If my hardware > was only three years old, yes, the new shiny would be fine. > Both situations should be addressed. There is actually a sharp > divide here, *new* hardware left-only, *old* hardware right-only. [] > There are two crowds out there. The group throwing out their > computers, are the people who are "right-only" column people. > > Paul And are laughed it, mostly. By both Windows and Linux crowds (and I think Apple crowds too). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf pu gnikcab yb naem uoy tahw siht sI
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10doegl$rkto$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45651 |
On 2025/10/27 18:38:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: [] >> There are two crowds out there. The group throwing out their >> computers, are the people who are "right-only" column people. >> >> Paul > And are laughed it, mostly. By both Windows and Linux crowds (and I > think Apple crowds too). > Sorry, I meant that the other way round: it is those who _don't_ want to buy new who are mostly derided. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Reality television. It's eroding the ability of good scripted television to survive. - Patrick Duffy in Radio Times 2-8 February 2013
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10dss43$2rgi2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45651 |
On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: > > [] > > >> 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old > > Either Linux _or_ Windows. > >> hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled >> up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article >> is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece >> of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my > > Because, as you said, nobody cares. > >> Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card, >> now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a >> refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT, >> you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video >> driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ? >> >> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford > > Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > >> new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware, >> and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine. >> >> The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself, >> so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like >> Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment >> crowd. >> >> And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write. >> We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment >> real people own, would run with the materials in question. >> >> Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my >> HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference >> by doing fallback rendering ? > > The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort > supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware. That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! > > Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be > "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is > it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ > that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware > requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the > advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not > into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure. But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know what IT's called) Bottom line of keys on this keyboard .... CTRL Unknown Windows Alt Space Alt Windows CTRL -- Daniel70
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dt6s7$2ub8k$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45702 |
On 2025/10/29 11:0:20, Daniel70 wrote: > On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort >> supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). > > But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting > hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they > are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware. > > That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff > for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! Yes, agreed.>> >> Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be >> "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is >> it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ >> that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware >> requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the >> advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not >> into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. > > I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. I can remember the eightysomething (?) ones, with ten function keys in two rows of five on the left. But the 100/102/whatever _are_ an improvement! (Though I wish they'd put the arrow keys in a diamond [and perhaps with home/end/pgup/pgdn in one too, or around the first one].)> > Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure. > > But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know > what IT's called) > > Bottom line of keys on this keyboard .... > CTRL Unknown Windows Alt Space Alt Windows CTRL If it's a laptop, probably Function (Fn), usually used to give the function keys secondary functions like brightness and volume control, which I don't really mind. (Except when those are the _default_ and you have to use the Fn to get the _normal_ F1 etc., which was the case on this Lenovo - but fortunately I found a BIOS toggle.) On UK keyboards, and I think a lot of the others, the one to the right of Alt is "AltGr"; At first I used to find that an irrritant - a second Alt key would have been handy at times - until I discovered its function (I think AltGr came in about the time printed manuals went out), which is to provide áéíóú€ÁÉÍÓÚ\¦| (though I have \ anyway). I will admit I find the other key that (I think) came in about the time the Windows ones (context? I call it the right-click key) useful, and probably use it more than the Windows ones. (The addition of the Windows ones made some or all of Ctrl, Alt [or AltGr], and space shorter. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10dv93c$3i5vl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45719 |
On 30/10/2025 1:03 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/29 11:0:20, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [] > > >>> The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort >>> supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). >> >> But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting >> hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they >> are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware. >> >> That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff >> for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! > > Yes, agreed.>> >>> Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be >>> "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is >>> it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ >>> that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware >>> requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the >>> advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not >>> into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. >> >> I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. > > I can remember the eightysomething (?) ones, with ten function keys in > two rows of five on the left. But the 100/102/whatever _are_ an > improvement! (Though I wish they'd put the arrow keys in a diamond [and > perhaps with home/end/pgup/pgdn in one too, or around the first one].)> >> Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure. >> >> But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know >> what IT's called) >> >> Bottom line of keys on this keyboard .... >> CTRL Unknown Windows Alt Space Alt Windows CTRL > If it's a laptop, probably Function (Fn), It wasn't a Laptop but it was the Fn key. -- Daniel70
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e0knh$n2t$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45753 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 19:54:04 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > It wasn't a Laptop but it was the Fn key. The Fn key is a special modifier interpreted in the ACPI firmware. It is not the same as the “Windows” key (aka “Super” key or “🐧” key) that is just another modifier key handled by the OS/GUI.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10du239$3845i$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45702 |
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:00:20 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff > for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! If the code isn’t continually tested, it can get inadvertently broken by a seemingly unrelated change elsewhere. Maybe it depends on internal APIs which were reorganized to simplify support for new hardware, so somebody has to make changes to the old code, and you can’t just cross your fingers and hope it still works. > I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. The one I’m using on my main machine doesn’t (it’s a Das Keyboard 4). And my laptop keyboard doesn’t have that mark on it either.
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