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| Started by | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| First post | 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400 |
| Articles | 6 on this page of 186 — 25 participants |
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DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 23:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:20 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 23:26 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-28 13:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 00:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:42 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:02 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-30 15:32 +0200
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 15:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:24 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:39 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:37 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:23 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Windows Devil <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2025-10-27 18:19 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 11:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:32 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-28 22:09 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:27 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:57 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 10:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:30 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:22 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:59 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:33 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:58 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 12:00 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-11-01 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:07 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:21 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:07 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-01 02:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-03 10:40 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 13:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-04 05:24 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 21:41 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 12:41 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 13:04 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-05 00:45 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-04 12:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:51 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:45 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:55 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2025-10-28 07:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:46 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:03 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:10 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 17:33 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:18 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:36 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 01:05 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:05 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users marc <marc@none.of.your.business> - 2025-10-30 18:20 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:46 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:57 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 11:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 13:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 13:51 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 22:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-30 10:16 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:04 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:34 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:01 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mmmh2gFduhtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45769 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 14:19:15 -0400, Paul wrote: > There is a gentle message there, somewhere. > > I got that treatment when I entered a UNIX shop. > I asked the guru there, two questions the first morning. > I'm not really a pest, like it wasn't the spanish inquisition, > and he laid down the rules pretty quickly. He said > > "buy a book, come back and see me if the book does not have the answer" > > and he could name one I should have as he keeps one at his desk, > and this was sage advice. You read the available documentation > to some extent, so that the "easy" questions are handled without > wasting guru time. And rather than feeling shunned, the > recommendation was not done in a nasty style, and no insult > taken. It was good advice. But finding an entire book on Bourne > Shell back in the day, one item was out of print, and I had to > settle for a book which devoted one chapter to Bourne shell. > The successor to Bourne, is Bash which stands for Bourne Again Shell. 8< snip >8 That's a nice anecdote, but the world has changed somehow. That guru is now a keyboard warrior. However, there are still people offering real help. Also, the community has made many online manuals and (lucky for me) YT videos. I usually try to search first, but when you're at the source it's tempting to ask the (seemingly) easy questions. -- s|b
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dt1fd.g30.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45697 |
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: > MikeS wrote: > > To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well > > away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a > > warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user, > > i.e. a geek like them. > > I disagree. In the great milieu of linux help areas, there is but a > relatively small percentage of that type thing. Grow a thicker skin; > some condescension isn't going to hurt you; the world is full of that > kind of behavior, it isn't unique to linux help. IME, it *is* unique to Linux help. And that's being said by a 40++ year Unix/UNIX veteran. Yes, there may be exceptions, but in the Linux newsgroups, condescension is way more common than in for example Windows and Android newsgroups. But perhaps the condescension is mainly on *Usenet*?
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| From | MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dt3rv$2u35q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45703 |
On 29/10/2025 11:31, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: >> MikeS wrote: >>> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well >>> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a >>> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user, >>> i.e. a geek like them. >> >> I disagree. In the great milieu of linux help areas, there is but a >> relatively small percentage of that type thing. Grow a thicker skin; >> some condescension isn't going to hurt you; the world is full of that >> kind of behavior, it isn't unique to linux help. > > IME, it *is* unique to Linux help. And that's being said by a 40++ > year Unix/UNIX veteran. > > Yes, there may be exceptions, but in the Linux newsgroups, > condescension is way more common than in for example Windows and Android > newsgroups. > > But perhaps the condescension is mainly on *Usenet*? Not entirely. This thread is on Usenet but its purpose was to recommend an article which is presented as advice for new Linux users. To my mind its key advice was don't waste your time unless you are a "responsible adult". The vast majority of Windows (or MacOS) users will never meet *that writer's* definition of a "responsible adult". Strangely, I think their language is condescending but welcome the advice to avoid Linux unless you want to enter a geek-like world.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dteg4$31nmo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45714 |
On Wed, 10/29/2025 9:12 AM, MikeS wrote: > On 29/10/2025 11:31, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote: >>> MikeS wrote: >>>> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well >>>> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a >>>> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user, >>>> i.e. a geek like them. >>> >>> I disagree. In the great milieu of linux help areas, there is but a >>> relatively small percentage of that type thing. Grow a thicker skin; >>> some condescension isn't going to hurt you; the world is full of that >>> kind of behavior, it isn't unique to linux help. >> >> IME, it *is* unique to Linux help. And that's being said by a 40++ >> year Unix/UNIX veteran. >> >> Yes, there may be exceptions, but in the Linux newsgroups, >> condescension is way more common than in for example Windows and Android >> newsgroups. >> >> But perhaps the condescension is mainly on *Usenet*? > > Not entirely. This thread is on Usenet but its purpose was to recommend an article which is presented as advice for new Linux users. To my mind its key advice was don't waste your time unless you are a "responsible adult". > > The vast majority of Windows (or MacOS) users will never meet *that writer's* > definition of a "responsible adult". Strangely, I think their language is > condescending but welcome the advice to avoid Linux unless you want to enter > a geek-like world. Whatever we offer people as alternatives, it has to be "frictionless". If there are 400 million people to help, and we have to spend an hour with each one, that's 400 million man-hours. There may not be that many people available to serve as helpers. Some of the distros, are fairly thinly manned, which indicates that there was never an excess of talent sitting around with nothing to do in each distro. Some distros don't have anyone to help with testing. Look at your local hospital some time, and discover the education distribution. A lot of the people "running machines", are trainees with no relevant experience in the health field. When I would need an echo, the echo technician (they know their stuff), they were spread thin, and they worked one day a week in five different medical centers. You would be told "our guy only comes on Wednesday". That's an example of how thin we run things in the medical field. Linux isn't really all that different, in terms of head count. Google has a project, to make a ChromeBook out of your laptop. The installer only works with computers that have an iGPU. If it sniffs an NVidia card, the installer stops, and it does not put any icons on the screen. No error message is shown. (I was sitting there watching this, and wondering what the hell they were thinking.) When I plugged the installer into my laptop (without actually doing an install), the icons appeared in the GUI, and that's how I knew what the "problem" was. I expect the procedure would complete reasonably well, right up to the point you're asked for a gmail.com address for access to any Store. That comes close to doing the job, but it still has the rough edges of not reporting things on screen like it might. And that one, reformats the entire drive, so don't be leaving your wedding photos on that one. Paul
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmde1tFs2trU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #45635 |
Alan K. wrote: > DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week. > Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL. I found some interest in the percentages of the ~1600 readers answering a poll (so far); the numbers represent the status as of about 8 pm Tues evening Pacific time. ----- Are you new to Linux because of End of 10? Yes - new to Linux because of End of 10: 65 (4%) New to Linux but not because of End of 10: 40 (3%) Not new to Linux - switched before End of 10: 1269 (80%) Not new to Linux - have not switched to Linux: 210 (13%) ----- I was somewhat surprised to see 17% of reader/respondents answering a DW poll who were either new or 'non-linux' users particularly that 3/4 of those weren't linuxers doing the poll. But, then after I puzzled over that, I read some of the explanations of those who weren't sure how to classify themselves, so maybe my surprise was 'misguided'; I should've read the answers first and then decided if I was surprised or not :-) -- Mike Easter
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dt24j$2tie7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #45700 |
On Tue, 10/28/2025 10:55 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Alan K. wrote:
>> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
>> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
>
> I found some interest in the percentages of the ~1600 readers answering a poll (so far); the numbers represent the status as of about 8 pm Tues evening Pacific time.
>
> -----
> Are you new to Linux because of End of 10?
>
> Yes - new to Linux because of End of 10: 65 (4%)
> New to Linux but not because of End of 10: 40 (3%)
> Not new to Linux - switched before End of 10: 1269 (80%)
> Not new to Linux - have not switched to Linux: 210 (13%)
> -----
>
> I was somewhat surprised to see 17% of reader/respondents answering a DW poll who were either new or 'non-linux' users particularly that 3/4 of those weren't linuxers doing the poll.
>
> But, then after I puzzled over that, I read some of the explanations of those who weren't sure how to classify themselves, so maybe my surprise was 'misguided'; I should've read the answers first and then decided if I was surprised or not :-)
>
>
I own a Optiplex 780, with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video.
I just downloaded a famous distro. I used "dd" and put it on
a USB stick, knowing it is a hybrid OS, and will boot legacy
or boot UEFI. The Optiplex only boots legacy.
I boot up legacy and install. The install says it is finished.
I reboot. Now, I'm looking across the room, at the machine
right now. I've got a flashing underline cursor... and no
other response. It isn't complaining about no boot OS.
It's doing... "nothing".
That's the Optiplex for you.
Now, I'm going to use the Boot Repair DVD (Yann) and see what
I can cook up for fun.
The symptoms are, the distro is a hybrid, yet... it only *installs*
the OS in one mode, which is UEFI/GPT. As a second experiment, I
fed it a pre-canned legacy setup, and it *still* insisted on UEFI,
so my BIOS cursor can sit there blinking.
Do you see what being pig headed gets you ? :-) There is a
perfectly good GRUB for dealing with either mode. If the user
boots in Legacy, they want - a legacy installation THAT BOOTS FFS.
They don't want a science experiment, or, to use the experience
as a way to determine the supplier of the thing, is pig-headed.
Yes, I find the ecosystem very inviting, for a mass of inexperienced
users who won't know what to do with a flashing cursor. Many participants
(who now can't fill out the survey, because their cursor is flashing),
have now carried the PC out to the curb, for pickup.
You, as an experienced Linux user, at the current time I think you
would be shocked, about what kind of boot experiences are going
on after an install. Maybe we reached "peak install fluidity"
about five years ago, and it has gone downhill for no discernible
good reason. Except, pig-headed-ness by the tree-herders.
I have a distro here, when it fouls up the GRUB stage, it
bypasses all the rest of the steps in the installer, and tells
you it is "finished". What is the problem ? THERE ARE NO ACCOUNTS
IN THE INSTALLED OS. NONE AT ALL. After about a half dozen tries,
I've figured out a workaround, so it finishes and actually boots.
This is what the visitors to Distrowatch pine for. They want
to climb Everest, because the air is so much fresher up there.
Now, I'm off to find my Boot Repair DVD. I'm at the third camp
now, and I'm acclimatizing to the altitude, before the next stage
of the climb.
Turns out, getting past the roadblocks was harder than that.
The Boot Repair plus over-the-air upgrade to the boot repair
code, was able to come up with a chroot-in fix for the thing.
initramfs was missing. Had to make a new one while chrooted in
myself. First chroot recipe was wrong. CoPilot gave me a correct
recipe. mkinitramfs would not run without compression turned off.
Got the OS to boot. Threw errors on the screen. I'd already noticed
that fstab was missing, and how it was able to boot quite far without
a slash, is pure puzzlement. Back to hacking into the damn thing
and adding an fstab file and defining a slash mount. AND IT WORKED. :-)
Now drinking a beer from the top of Everest. This Linux stuff is EASY.
Why isn't everyone doing this. That's Ubuntu 24.04.3 installed
on an MSDOS disk with legacy boot working off sda1.
"Not new to Linux - have not switched to Linux: 211 (13%)"
Paul
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