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DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users

Started by"Alan K." <alan@invalid.com>
First post2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
Last post2025-10-29 08:42 -0400
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  DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 23:10 +0000
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:20 +1100
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:18 +0000
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 23:26 +1100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-28 13:10 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 00:21 +1100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:43 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:16 -0400
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:42 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:02 -0400
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-30 15:32 +0200
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:11 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 15:00 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:24 -0400
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:41 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:12 -0400
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:10 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:39 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:37 -0400
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:23 +0000
    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Windows Devil <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:00 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 11:16 -0400
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2025-10-27 18:19 +0100
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 11:31 +1100
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:34 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:35 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:32 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-28 22:09 +1100
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:27 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:27 -0700
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:57 +0100
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:44 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 10:32 +1100
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:30 +0000
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:22 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:59 +0100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:33 -0400
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:58 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:58 -0700
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 12:00 -0700
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:40 +0000
                            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 -0700
                              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-11-01 23:00 +0000
                                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:07 -0700
                                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:21 +0000
                                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
                            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:07 +0000
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-01 02:28 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:19 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:00 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-03 10:40 +1100
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 13:13 +1100
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-04 05:24 -0500
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-04 21:41 +1100
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 12:41 +0100
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users yossarian <<nomail@gmail.com>> - 2025-11-04 13:04 +0100
                            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-05 00:45 +1100
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-04 12:53 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0100
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users lisa <not.in.use@home.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:51 +0100
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:23 -0400
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:45 +0100
    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700
    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:58 -0400
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:32 +1100
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:55 +1100
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2025-10-28 07:09 +0000
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:46 -0700
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:03 -0500
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:10 -0700
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 17:33 +1100
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:18 +1100
                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:36 +1100
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:42 +1100
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 01:05 +1100
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:36 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0400
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:05 +0000
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users marc <marc@none.of.your.business> - 2025-10-30 18:20 +0100
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:58 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:26 +0000
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:46 +0000
                  Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:57 +0000
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:45 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:28 +0000
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 11:01 +0000
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 13:13 +0000
                            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:35 +0000
                              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 13:51 -0400
                              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:45 +0000
                              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 22:58 +0000
                                Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:43 +0000
                          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:27 +0000
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-30 10:16 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:04 -0400
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:20 +0000
                      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:19 +0000
                        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:34 -0400
                    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:09 +0000
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:28 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:01 +0100
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:19 -0400
              Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
        Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000
          Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000
            Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400
    Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700
      Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400

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#45635 — DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users

From"Alan K." <alan@invalid.com>
Date2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
SubjectDistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users
Message-ID<10dnnnm$pltj$1@dont-email.me>
DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.

Short read.

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa



Advice for new Linux users

Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 
10, any advice for the Linux newbies?


-- 
Linux Mint 22.2,  Mozilla Thunderbird 140.4.0esr,  Mozilla Firefox 144.0
     Alan K.

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#45636

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
Message-ID<10dnsuq$rmi3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45635
On Mon, 10/27/2025 8:14 AM, Alan K. wrote:
> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
> 
> Short read.
> 
> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
> 
> 
> 
> Advice for new Linux users
> 
> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
> 
> 

Show them the map :-)  (The text is searchable from browser search box.)

   https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

Truth in advertising.

Then show them some Distrowatch.

If you were visiting a strange new planet, you'd had
Mr.Sulu put you in a standard orbit, first you'd want
to keep a global map, to get the scale of things,
marked with an X as to where you were teleporting.

   Paul

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#45638

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
Message-ID<10dnu2l$rkto$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45636
On 2025/10/27 13:43:51, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 10/27/2025 8:14 AM, Alan K. wrote:

[]


>> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
>>
>>
> 
> Show them the map :-)  (The text is searchable from browser search box.)
> 
>    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

[]

:-)

Normally, when I load a large image into Edge, it shows me it zoomed out
until it fits the window (see recent discussion - I think it was in this
'group - involving a picture of lots of people making the Deutsche
Grüße, with one person not). The above image doesn't - and even zooming
out to the lowest I can - 25% - doesn't let me see all of it!
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Sneering doesn't become either the human face or the human soul.
Professor Henry Higgins (in Pygmalion, by George Bernard Shaw)

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#45641

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
Message-ID<10dnv26$shil$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45638
On Mon, 10/27/2025 10:03 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/10/27 13:43:51, Paul wrote:
>> On Mon, 10/27/2025 8:14 AM, Alan K. wrote:
> 
> []
> 
> 
>>> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Show them the map :-)  (The text is searchable from browser search box.)
>>
>>    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
> 
> []
> 
> :-)
> 
> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge, it shows me it zoomed out
> until it fits the window (see recent discussion - I think it was in this
> 'group - involving a picture of lots of people making the Deutsche
> Grüße, with one person not). The above image doesn't - and even zooming
> out to the lowest I can - 25% - doesn't let me see all of it!
> 

Neat. I did not know that. The MSEdge people seem to be rather
adamant about their zoom. 25% .. 500% or hit-the-road-Jack.
I tried as many settings as I could, but absolutely none of
them allowed the digits to be selected, or set to "Other".
It's good to know my bicycle has the training wheels.
I might fall off and see what I wanted to see.

I'm used to a lot of tools, the zoom digits can be edited
for a good time.

   Paul

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#45661

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
Message-ID<10doon1$17dho$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45638
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...

Into *what*?

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#45668

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
Message-ID<10dpk62$1m5rv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45661
On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...
> 
> Into *what*?
> 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MA13FJ

    Windows (Windows 10 or Windows 11)    [May have been Windows 7 at one time, but Chromium rolled out of scope]

    macOS   (delivered as .dmg , doesn't say what OS range, Intel, or ARM)

    iOS
    Android

    Linux (.deb)  microsoft-edge-stable_138.0.3351.95-1_amd64.deb

  [Picture]  Demoing the zoom out on MSedge-Linux

   https://i.postimg.cc/zG5nWhQh/MSEdge-On-Linux.gif

  Paul

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#45669

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
Message-ID<10dpmlf$1mpur$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45668
On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 01:26:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

> On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> 
>>> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...
>> 
>> Into *what*?
>> 
>> 
> ...
> 
>   [Picture]  Demoing the zoom out on MSedge-Linux

Why not try a proper web browser.

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#45671

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
Message-ID<10dppjt$1ngqq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45669
On Tue, 10/28/2025 2:08 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 01:26:24 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...
>>>
>>> Into *what*?
>>>
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>   [Picture]  Demoing the zoom out on MSedge-Linux
> 
> Why not try a proper web browser.
> 

Well, it's just Chrome at heart.

I'm told that Chrome is the only browser I need,
as the game is rigged.

   Paul

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#45675

FromFelix <none@not.here>
Date2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
Message-ID<mmbk7eFgnhmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#45669
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 01:26:24 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...
>>> Into *what*?
>>>
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>    [Picture]  Demoing the zoom out on MSedge-Linux
> Why not try a proper web browser.

in Seamonkey it loads with horizontal and vertical scroll bars so no 
problem viewing it

-- 
Linux Mint 22.2
Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows?
A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you

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#45677

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
Message-ID<10dq8nk$1fiiq$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45669
On 2025/10/28 6:8:47, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 01:26:24 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...
>>>
>>> Into *what*?
>>>
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>   [Picture]  Demoing the zoom out on MSedge-Linux
> 
> Why not try a proper web browser.

If you're just being sniffy about my use of the browser that came with
the OS:

In the past, I've generally used: a long time in the past, Netsape, then
Firefox; on my W7 machine, mostly Chrome (though with Firefox [and even
IE!] as fallback).

On this W10 machine, I had the installers for Chrome and Firefox ready
(still do, though they'd probably immediately update themselves if I
loaded them), but have never got round to installing them, as Edge does
all I have wanted - OK, it has minor irritants (not AFAIK being able to
override its scrollbar design, no title bar [though that's the
underlying Chrome]), but I just haven't really found it necessary to
switch. OK, I'm probably being tracked up the wazoo, but don't do
anything I'm that worried about (I don't do online banking for example -
telephone banking serves me).

Similarly, I've not "fought" Windows as much as I have in the past: OK,
I've got Classic Shell, and ShutUp10, and have partitioned into C: (OS
and software) and D: (data), but e. g. haven't changed the default
appearance of windows this time. (Mainly because the old thing - left
over from Windows 95 I think! - that brings together all the controls
for screen furniture, has finally been banished from 10.)

One does get tired of the constant fighting - and I've actually been
able to use the computer for the things I want to _do_ (mainly genealogy
and downloading [mostly short, mostly music] video and audio [mainly
from YouTube]) on it.

I'm unlikely to ever go to Linux. (A Linux enthusiast friend gave me a
DVD of something I could try out [could run entirely from the DVD if I
wanted], a few years ago; I never have.) I'll probably stick with W10
indefinitely. (I have signed up for ESU, but AFAICS from "Relia",
nothing has happened yet - last updates were 2010-10-25.)

-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"He hasn't one redeeming vice." - Oscar Wilde

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#45692

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
Message-ID<10drij7$2gftl$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45677
On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:17:08 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> ... Edge does all I have wanted - OK, it has minor irritants (not
> AFAIK being able to override its scrollbar design, no title bar
> [though that's the underlying Chrome]), but I just haven't really
> found it necessary to switch.

Well, now you have found yet another irritant.

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#45716

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
Message-ID<10dt58v$2ub8k$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45692
On 2025/10/28 23:11:35, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:17:08 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> ... Edge does all I have wanted - OK, it has minor irritants (not
>> AFAIK being able to override its scrollbar design, no title bar
>> [though that's the underlying Chrome]), but I just haven't really
>> found it necessary to switch.
> 
> Well, now you have found yet another irritant.

If you mean the constant (it sometimes seems) "why haven't you ..." type
posts, I ignore those :-) - I get them for all sorts of things!


-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I admire him for the constancy of his curiosity, his effortless sense of
authority and his ability to deliver good science without gimmicks.
- Michael Palin on Sir David Attenborough, RT 2016/5/7-13

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#45734

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
Message-ID<10du1du$3845i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45716
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 13:36:31 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> On 2025/10/28 23:11:35, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:17:08 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> 
>>> ... Edge does all I have wanted - OK, it has minor irritants (not
>>> AFAIK being able to override its scrollbar design, no title bar
>>> [though that's the underlying Chrome]), but I just haven't really
>>> found it necessary to switch.
>> 
>> Well, now you have found yet another irritant.
> 
> If you mean ...

I meant the issue you mentioned. Which it seems you have already 
forgotten.

Does use of Microsoft products inculcate a short-term memory effect among 
their users? Which is why they put up with them?

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#45744

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
Message-ID<10du9c3$3ald0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45734
On Wed, 10/29/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 13:36:31 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> On 2025/10/28 23:11:35, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:17:08 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... Edge does all I have wanted - OK, it has minor irritants (not
>>>> AFAIK being able to override its scrollbar design, no title bar
>>>> [though that's the underlying Chrome]), but I just haven't really
>>>> found it necessary to switch.
>>>
>>> Well, now you have found yet another irritant.
>>
>> If you mean ...
> 
> I meant the issue you mentioned. Which it seems you have already 
> forgotten.
> 
> Does use of Microsoft products inculcate a short-term memory effect among 
> their users? Which is why they put up with them?
> 

No, we all use Lynx here for web work. <snicker>

Once you've used Lynx, any browser with a window and
graphics, is a step up. I don't think people appreciate
browsers that work (render close to 100% of pages and
not 50% of them). "Decorations" are pretty far down the list.

If I got upset about every little thing... why, I'd be using Fedora.

If I wanted to drive people away from Linux, I'd show them Fedora first.
Much of Linux is unfinished, like the dilapidated buildings in any
downtown. Whereas Fedora is buttery smooth -- and when something
isn't buttery smooth there (a project still in development),
the effect of that is really jarring. Fedora teaches you what happens
when you get carried away with your fine self. There is too much butter
and not enough common sense.

A better butter balance is Zorin.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorin_OS

     Paul

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#45683

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
Message-ID<10dqj4n.1594.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#45669
Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 01:26:24 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:37 PM, Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 14:03:01 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Normally, when I load a large image into Edge ...
> >> 
> >> Into *what*?
> >> 
> >> 
> > ...
> > 
> >   [Picture]  Demoing the zoom out on MSedge-Linux
> 
> Why not try a proper web browser.

  Which would be *what*? (Please don't say Firefox.)

  FYI, I've been using browsers since Mosaic (on Unix).

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#45637

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
Message-ID<10dntj1$rlc8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45635
On 2025/10/27 12:14:46, Alan K. wrote:
> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
> 
> Short read.
> 
> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
> 
> 
> 
> Advice for new Linux users
> 
> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 
> 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
> 
> 
"With Linux, almost every application you are going to run is provided
by your distribution. … Windows and macOS users are accustomed to
browsing the web, looking for applications, clicking a download link,
and running an installer. With Linux we skip all of that. We can open
the software centre (or "app store") and find just about anything we need."

Sounds very Mac- (or modern-Windows-)like to me. (I don't _want_ to
"skip all that".)

And of course it hasn't caught up with ESU, implying it still needs
minor hoop-jumping (which AIUI is now not the case for many).
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Sneering doesn't become either the human face or the human soul.
Professor Henry Higgins (in Pygmalion, by George Bernard Shaw)

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#45639

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
Message-ID<10dnuki$sbt4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45637
On Mon, 10/27/2025 9:54 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/10/27 12:14:46, Alan K. wrote:
>> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
>> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
>>
>> Short read.
>>
>> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
>>
>>
>>
>> Advice for new Linux users
>>
>> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 
>> 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
>>
>>
> "With Linux, almost every application you are going to run is provided
> by your distribution. … Windows and macOS users are accustomed to
> browsing the web, looking for applications, clicking a download link,
> and running an installer. With Linux we skip all of that. We can open
> the software centre (or "app store") and find just about anything we need."
> 
> Sounds very Mac- (or modern-Windows-)like to me. (I don't _want_ to
> "skip all that".)
> 
> And of course it hasn't caught up with ESU, implying it still needs
> minor hoop-jumping (which AIUI is now not the case for many).
> 

No, you don't open the Software Centre.

What are we, cave men ?

This stanza has everything you need to know about lame distros (Debian ecosystem).
Some distros have "religion", the participants put a bag over their
head and they remove "universe" and "multiverse". You, put it back.
You update the package listing of the distro with an update command.
Some distros remove "synaptic", in an effort to trick you.
You put "synaptic" package manager back -- which is just fine, thanks.
No need for pillow stuffing via the ponderously slow Software Centre.
Jebus.

   sudo add-apt-repository universe
   sudo add-apt-repository multiverse
   sudo apt-get update
   sudo apt-get install synaptic
   sudo synaptic

Packages are also available from places like github, if you want to
"offroad". But the repository has somewhere between 25000 and 50000
pieces of software, reasonably secure and ready to go. If you go
outside the distro, you are responsible for the security posture
that brings with it.

Next, someone will be telling us that SNAPs are wonderful, when
all they do is waste disk space. Imagine Ubuntu shipping a 6GB DVD,
and when the install is finished, important utilities are missing
because "there wasn't room". And the SNAPs on the DVD that
took up all the room ? The OS re-downloads those, as a punishment
for you. The SNAPs are monolithic, not modular.

That's what your friends are for in a distro -- they tell you
where not to step into pooh.

The Linux Mint DVDs are around 3GB. If the DVD is getting a bit
old, then you can expect around 1GB of updates to install
soon afterwards. But these are small packages being repaired
one at a time. Packages are for making the update system
more economical. A Firefox or a LibreOffice, those are
bound to be a bit bigger than some support library.

   Paul

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#45644

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
Message-ID<slrn10fv2am.286.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#45637
On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2025/10/27 12:14:46, Alan K. wrote:
>> DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week.
>> Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL.
>> 
>> Short read.
>> 
>> https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Advice for new Linux users
>> 
>> Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over with the End of 
>> 10, any advice for the Linux newbies?
>> 
>> 
> "With Linux, almost every application you are going to run is provided
> by your distribution. … Windows and macOS users are accustomed to
> browsing the web, looking for applications, clicking a download link,
> and running an installer. With Linux we skip all of that. We can open
> the software centre (or "app store") and find just about anything we
> need."
>
> Sounds very Mac- (or modern-Windows-)like to me. (I don't _want_ to
> "skip all that".)

You can still build from source ;)

Half of the discussion there reads a bit like regurgitated thoughts from
previous EOL events from whichever Windows version.  Not that it's
necessarily "bad" advice or anything, but may miss some advances MS has
made to their product.

-- 
|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1  E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860

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#45660

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
Message-ID<10doojt$17dho$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45637
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 13:54:41 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> On 2025/10/27 12:14:46, Alan K. wrote:
>>
> "With Linux, almost every application you are going to run is
> provided by your distribution. … Windows and macOS users are
> accustomed to browsing the web, looking for applications, clicking a
> download link, and running an installer. With Linux we skip all of
> that. We can open the software centre (or "app store") and find just
> about anything we need."
>
> Sounds very Mac- (or modern-Windows-)like to me.

Neither Apple nor Microsoft can offer such a high degree of integrated
package management. Apple has an app store for its mobile platforms,
not so much for actual Macintosh PCs. Microsoft tried to create an app
store for Windows, but so far, from what I hear, it’s a barren desert.

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#45663

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
Message-ID<10dotu8$1a10u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#45660
On Mon, 10/27/2025 5:35 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 13:54:41 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> On 2025/10/27 12:14:46, Alan K. wrote:
>>>
>> "With Linux, almost every application you are going to run is
>> provided by your distribution. … Windows and macOS users are
>> accustomed to browsing the web, looking for applications, clicking a
>> download link, and running an installer. With Linux we skip all of
>> that. We can open the software centre (or "app store") and find just
>> about anything we need."
>>
>> Sounds very Mac- (or modern-Windows-)like to me.
> 
> Neither Apple nor Microsoft can offer such a high degree of integrated
> package management. Apple has an app store for its mobile platforms,
> not so much for actual Macintosh PCs. Microsoft tried to create an app
> store for Windows, but so far, from what I hear, it’s a barren desert.
> 

The OS is a thousand packages in Windows, and when a Cumulative patch
comes in, the scanner goes through the OS, and matches things
needing patches, with the specific patch. Cumulatives can contain
more content than is really needed. But because the software
is split into packages, smaller objects are getting patched.

Even the download method is selective. I was doing a Windows Update
on this machine, and the download was going along slowly 1% 2% 3%,
and I was looking elsewhere and when I looked back it was a 90%, and
it obviously didn't get there by linearly download all the items from
3% to 90% in 30 second. That is likely some amount of scanning and
selection, deciding that most of what it proposed to install,
was already installed.

The tree keeps multiple versions. If one program needs version1
of a library, and another program needs version2,
they're both in the tree.

As an example of a package in the Windows tree, there is a version
of libarchive. That was integrated the same way as .zip and .cab
support was done in WinXP. Now, you can open a .7z and copy files
out of the inside of a .7z, as if it was a folder. And libarchive
needs more frequent patches, because archives are the targets
of exploits.

When it comes to third party software from the Store, the equivalent
of that on Linux is Google Earth, which is third party, and on at
least one distro, is include via a ppa linkage.

   Paul

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