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| Started by | Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2022-11-07 11:28 -0500 |
| Last post | 2022-11-25 10:37 -0500 |
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Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> - 2022-11-07 11:28 -0500
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> - 2022-11-23 17:30 +0100
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp stepore <stepore@be.here.now> - 2022-11-23 19:44 -0800
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-11-23 23:22 -0500
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Killadebug <killadebug@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-24 13:53 +0000
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp stepore <stepore@be.here.now> - 2022-11-24 19:10 -0800
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> - 2022-11-24 22:34 -0500
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> - 2022-11-25 10:35 +0100
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> - 2022-11-25 10:32 +0100
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp stepore <stepore@be.here.now> - 2022-11-25 22:38 -0800
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> - 2022-12-03 18:19 +0100
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp yossarian <nomail@gmail.com> - 2022-11-25 12:04 +0100
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp stepore <stepore@be.here.now> - 2022-11-25 22:31 -0800
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-11-24 00:36 -0500
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-24 13:29 +0300
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> - 2022-11-24 11:49 +0100
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-11-24 15:05 -0500
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-11-25 08:31 -0500
Re: Linux Mint 21 and xrdp Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> - 2022-11-25 10:37 -0500
| From | Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-07 11:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Linux Mint 21 and xrdp |
| Message-ID | <RmaaL.23347$1449.18564@fx14.iad> |
With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in locally. Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere that can be modified or is the a change? Thanks -- Mike
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| From | Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> |
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| Date | 2022-11-23 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ju705fFf25hU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39400 |
Am 07.11.22 um 17:28 schrieb Mike Bott: > With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the > same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in > locally. > > Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" > credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere > that can be modified or is the a change? > > Thanks > Hi, sorry, no answer, but I'm interested in this two. I switch often from RDP to the "real" one and back, so if I miss logging out, I use a second account, just to kick me out and then login again. With Windows, it just switches vom RDP to local and back again. Tips are welcome :-) Jörg
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| From | stepore <stepore@be.here.now> |
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| Date | 2022-11-23 19:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tlmpbs$jaf4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39499 |
On 11/23/22 08:30, Jörg Barres wrote: > Am 07.11.22 um 17:28 schrieb Mike Bott: >> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the >> same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in >> locally. >> >> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" >> credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere >> that can be modified or is the a change? >> >> Thanks >> > > Hi, > sorry, no answer, but I'm interested in this two. > I switch often from RDP to the "real" one and back, so if I miss logging > out, I use a second account, just to kick me out and then login again. > > With Windows, it just switches vom RDP to local and back again. > > Tips are welcome :-) I have absolutely no tips for either of you. I don't use xrdp nor would I. Do other remote sharing/viewing applications not work for either of you? There are many options. Some of them more Linux-friendly or linux-native. What are your requirements, what are you trying to achieve? Do you require connecting to a main/existing display session? Why not use VNC (tunnel through ssh for extra security)? X11-vnc connects to active/main display sessions. Or use NX/FreeNX or my favourite X2go. Not sure why the need for xrdp.
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| From | Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-23 23:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tlmrhu$j83j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39502 |
On 11/23/22 22:44, this is what stepore wrote: > On 11/23/22 08:30, Jörg Barres wrote: >> Am 07.11.22 um 17:28 schrieb Mike Bott: >>> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the same credentials that I used locally, even if I >>> was already logged in locally. >>> >>> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is >>> this a setting somewhere that can be modified or is the a change? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> Hi, >> sorry, no answer, but I'm interested in this two. >> I switch often from RDP to the "real" one and back, so if I miss logging >> out, I use a second account, just to kick me out and then login again. >> >> With Windows, it just switches vom RDP to local and back again. >> >> Tips are welcome :-) > > I have absolutely no tips for either of you. I don't use xrdp nor would I. > Do other remote sharing/viewing applications not work for either of you? There are many options. Some of them more > Linux-friendly or linux-native. What are your requirements, what are you trying to achieve? Do you require connecting to > a main/existing display session? Why not use VNC (tunnel through ssh for extra security)? X11-vnc connects to > active/main display sessions. Or use NX/FreeNX or my favourite X2go. > > Not sure why the need for xrdp. What about Teamviewer?
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| From | Killadebug <killadebug@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 13:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tlnt0k$lph7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39503 |
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 23:22:22 -0500, Big Al wrote: > On 11/23/22 22:44, this is what stepore wrote: >> On 11/23/22 08:30, Jörg Barres wrote: >>> Am 07.11.22 um 17:28 schrieb Mike Bott: >>>> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the >>>> same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in >>>> locally. >>>> >>>> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my >>>> "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting >>>> somewhere that can be modified or is the a change? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>> Hi, >>> sorry, no answer, but I'm interested in this two. >>> I switch often from RDP to the "real" one and back, so if I miss >>> logging out, I use a second account, just to kick me out and then >>> login again. >>> >>> With Windows, it just switches vom RDP to local and back again. >>> >>> Tips are welcome :-) >> >> I have absolutely no tips for either of you. I don't use xrdp nor would >> I. >> Do other remote sharing/viewing applications not work for either of >> you? There are many options. Some of them more Linux-friendly or >> linux-native. What are your requirements, what are you trying to >> achieve? Do you require connecting to a main/existing display session? >> Why not use VNC (tunnel through ssh for extra security)? X11-vnc >> connects to active/main display sessions. Or use NX/FreeNX or my >> favourite X2go. >> >> Not sure why the need for xrdp. > > What about Teamviewer? +1 I've been using Teamviewer for for over 6 years. Both to remote into my work desktop (before I retired) and to administer client desktops I support. Running LMDE 5 -- Pull my finger
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| From | stepore <stepore@be.here.now> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 19:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tlpbo3$s2ql$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39503 |
On 11/23/22 20:22, Big Al wrote: > What about Teamviewer? > You're asking me or the OP? I, personally would never use Teamviewer. It's proprietary code, I don't like the License. Besides, it was compromised (cracked/hacked/abused/whatever) years ago and they blamed it on dumb users not inherent vulnerabilities. I don't trust it, never will. Your opinions and mileage may vary. Those are mine.
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| From | Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 22:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tlpd4u$s3ef$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39510 |
On 11/24/22 22:10, this is what stepore wrote: > On 11/23/22 20:22, Big Al wrote: > >> What about Teamviewer? >> > > You're asking me or the OP? > > I, personally would never use Teamviewer. It's proprietary code, I don't like the License. > Besides, it was compromised (cracked/hacked/abused/whatever) years ago and they blamed it on dumb users not inherent > vulnerabilities. I don't trust it, never will. > > Your opinions and mileage may vary. Those are mine. Yes it was aimed at you. I used to use it once a month but I don't think I've used it in a year. Mint 21 had an issue with it putting it's apt-key in the wrong place and causing update-manager issues. It's been fixed but hear again, I don't use it enough. Al.
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| From | Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 10:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jubgjiF5f15U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39503 |
Am 24.11.22 um 05:22 schrieb Big Al: > > What about Teamviewer? > Teamviewer is a great software, the company is right in my neighbourhod, but it costs money. Even for schools as mine. So, no money, no teamviewer :-( Jörg
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| From | Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 10:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jubgdoF5f15U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39502 |
Am 24.11.22 um 04:44 schrieb stepore: > > I have absolutely no tips for either of you. I don't use xrdp nor would I. > Do other remote sharing/viewing applications not work for either of you? > There are many options. Some of them more Linux-friendly or > linux-native. What are your requirements, what are you trying to > achieve? Do you require connecting to a main/existing display session? > Why not use VNC (tunnel through ssh for extra security)? X11-vnc > connects to active/main display sessions. Or use NX/FreeNX or my > favourite X2go. > > Not sure why the need for xrdp. My students are running Windows and MacOs. Both support easyily RDP. And on the Windows-PCs, I'm not allowed to install software, it's a classroom and I am only a teacher :-)) And I think, RDP is faster and more stable than VNC (jus my experience). So, to get my students on a linux desktop, I use rdp. Jörg
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| From | stepore <stepore@be.here.now> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 22:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tlsc9q$19trk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39512 |
On 11/25/22 01:32, Jörg Barres wrote: > My students are running Windows and MacOs. Both support easyily RDP. > And on the Windows-PCs, I'm not allowed to install software, it's a > classroom and I am only a teacher :-)) > And I think, RDP is faster and more stable than VNC (jus my experience). > > So, to get my students on a linux desktop, I use rdp. Macs come with VNC enabled in the 'Finder' these days. And they for sure have ssh client. As for windows, I'm sure Windows 10 at least comes with openSSH client installed now. Turn on sshd on the linux server and have students on Macs and Windows use ssh to log on to the Linux box and have the learn how to use and admin a proper server the right way, not via GUI. :-)
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| From | Jörg Barres <news@traicon.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-03 18:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jv1ep0Fgjr6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39520 |
Am 26.11.22 um 07:38 schrieb stepore: > On 11/25/22 01:32, Jörg Barres wrote: >> My students are running Windows and MacOs. Both support easyily RDP. >> And on the Windows-PCs, I'm not allowed to install software, it's a >> classroom and I am only a teacher :-)) >> And I think, RDP is faster and more stable than VNC (jus my experience). >> >> So, to get my students on a linux desktop, I use rdp. > > > Macs come with VNC enabled in the 'Finder' these days. And they for > sure have ssh client. As for windows, I'm sure Windows 10 at least comes > with openSSH client installed now. Turn on sshd on the linux server and > have students on Macs and Windows use ssh to log on to the Linux box and > have the learn how to use and admin a proper server the right way, not > via GUI. :-) > don't worry, I do, I do. But they also have to learn Remote Access including GUI, and the most used system on the market is Lin^h^h^h, ups, Windows, so rdp it is. Jörg
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| From | yossarian <nomail@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 12:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20221125120450.18ae1358@gray> |
| In reply to | #39502 |
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 19:44:59 -0800 stepore <stepore@be.here.now> wrote: > Why not use VNC (tunnel through ssh for extra security)? X11-vnc > connects to active/main display sessions. Or use NX/FreeNX or my > favourite X2go. I will throw my favorite in the arena :) Remmina https://remmina.org Works with x11(I know) and RDP(didnt try) -- Mint 20.3, kernel 5.15.0-52-generic, Cinnamon 5.2.7 AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics, 16GB of DRAM.
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| From | stepore <stepore@be.here.now> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 22:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tlsbrq$19rre$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39514 |
On 11/25/22 03:04, yossarian wrote: > On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 19:44:59 -0800 > stepore <stepore@be.here.now> wrote: > >> Why not use VNC (tunnel through ssh for extra security)? X11-vnc >> connects to active/main display sessions. Or use NX/FreeNX or my >> favourite X2go. > > > I will throw my favorite in the arena :) > > Remmina > https://remmina.org > > Works with x11(I know) and RDP(didnt try) Since you're replying to me and not the OP, I'll answer. Remmina is client-side remote desktop client. It supports multiple protocols to connect to. It is not a server-side daemon running that other clients can connect to. IOW, it's a client not a server-side service.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 00:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tlmvs8$jmln$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39400 |
On 11/7/2022 11:28 AM, Mike Bott wrote:
> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in locally.
>
> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere that can be modified or is the a change?
>
> Thanks
>
One thing that comes to mind, is the change from X11 to Wayland/Weston.
Maybe the graphics on the local session, are now different than
the graphics path running remotely. And one of the pieces of
software "doesn't want the other thing running". Or, the other
thing running needs to connect through a different interface,
which isn't there, or isn't suitable.
I see a weston-rdp package. But, I don't know what that means.
https://linux.die.net/man/8/xrdp
https://man.archlinux.org/man/community/weston/weston-rdp.7.en
weston --backend=rdp-backend.so
The year 2022, is the year of "target-rich graphics"
where you just can't have a complicated enough graphics stack.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Linux_Graphics_Stack_and_glamor.svg
Paul
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| From | "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 13:29 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <tlnh37$1mr4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #39400 |
Mike Bott wrote:
> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the
> same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in
> locally.
>
> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local"
> credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere
> that can be modified or is the a change?
>
> Thanks
>
$ apt policy xrdp
xrdp:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 0.9.17-2ubuntu2
Version table:
0.9.17-2ubuntu2 500
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy/universe amd64 Packages
You may want to ask here
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xrdp
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| From | Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 11:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tlni7g$7ma$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #39400 |
On 11/7/22 17:28, Mike Bott wrote: > With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in locally. > > Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere that can be modified or is the a change? > > Thanks > Don't know what xrdp is. Maybe an idea to explain what it is, an bunch on letters doesn't tell me much -- “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it” George Orwell
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-24 15:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tloipt$nicc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39507 |
On 11/24/2022 5:49 AM, Edmund wrote:
> On 11/7/22 17:28, Mike Bott wrote:
>> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in locally.
>>
>> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere that can be modified or is the a change?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> Don't know what xrdp is.
> Maybe an idea to explain what it is, an bunch on letters doesn't tell me much
>
X11 to Remote Desktop Protocol.
The host would be LM21.
The client could be Windows (as it's RDP after all).
RDP
xrdp +--------------------+
| |
LM21 Windows (client)
More normally, RDP would be run between two Windows boxes, like this.
RDP
+--------------------+
| |
Windows (host) Windows (client)
There are obviously more solutions than this, for remoting into a PC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol
On a LAN, you might well have the network bandwidth to
not care about the protocol details. If you're remoting
into PCs on the Internet, the protocol used is a lot
more important (as you might not have enough upload
bandwidth to make for comfortable sessions).
Paul
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 08:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tlqg3t$108ab$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39400 |
On 11/7/2022 11:28 AM, Mike Bott wrote:
> With LM 20.3 and xrdp, I used to be able to log in remotely using the same credentials that I used locally, even if I was already logged in locally.
>
> Now with LM21, it appears I've lost that capability. To use my "local" credentials. I must be logged out locally. Is this a setting somewhere that can be modified or is the a change?
>
> Thanks
>
So I gave this a try and noticed the same thing.
That I had to be logged out at the console of the
remote LM21 desktop, before the RDC could connect.
Once connected though, something else weird happened.
I could open a file management window, but an attempt
to open Terminal using the icon on the bar, did not work.
And typing "xterm" into the Cinnamon interface, did not
work either.
Since terminals do not like to run as root (and if you
could see what was going on, there would be a warning
message as well), I would say the RDP session is not
running as the user. It could be that some part of
RDP is running as root.
So rather than some clever design change, it might be
an elevation issue.
I don't use stuff like this normally, and it could
easily be user error on my part.
Paul
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| From | Mike Bott <mbott001@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-11-25 10:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4j5gL.63163$ft35.44949@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #39515 |
On 11/25/22 08:31, Paul wrote: > > So I gave this a try and noticed the same thing. > That I had to be logged out at the console of the > remote LM21 desktop, before the RDC could connect. > > Once connected though, something else weird happened. > I could open a file management window, but an attempt > to open Terminal using the icon on the bar, did not work. > And typing "xterm" into the Cinnamon interface, did not > work either. > > Since terminals do not like to run as root (and if you > could see what was going on, there would be a warning > message as well), I would say the RDP session is not > running as the user. It could be that some part of > RDP is running as root. > > So rather than some clever design change, it might be > an elevation issue. > > I don't use stuff like this normally, and it could > easily be user error on my part. > > Paul In the grand schemes of things, this is maybe an inconvenience at most. I did check out Paul's comment about terminal and here it appears all is functioning normally. Thanks all for the input. -- Mike
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