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  Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich’s wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-22 19:05 -0500
    Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich’s wild predictions The brilliant JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 19:55 -0700
    Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-22 21:57 -0700
      Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-23 06:33 -0500
        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions The brilliant JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 07:52 -0700
        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-23 21:13 -0700
          Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-24 15:32 -0500
      Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-04-23 07:35 -0600
        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-23 13:44 -0500
          Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions The brilliant JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 13:00 -0700
          Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-04-23 20:00 -0600
            Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> - 2018-04-23 22:11 -0500
              Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-04-23 23:14 -0600
                Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> - 2018-04-24 00:23 -0500
            Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions The brilliant JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 20:26 -0700
              Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-24 16:02 -0500
            Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-24 15:15 -0500
              Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions The brilliant JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 21:07 -0700
                Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-25 16:10 -0500
                  Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions JTEM is right <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:24 -0700
                    Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-26 15:17 -0500
                      Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "M.I.Wakefield" <none@present.com> - 2018-04-26 16:41 -0400
                        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-27 14:58 -0500
                      Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions JTEM is right <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 13:49 -0700
                        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-27 15:18 -0500
                          Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions JTEM is right <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 21:30 -0700
                            Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-30 12:37 -0500
                              Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions JTEM is right <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 11:49 -0700
                                Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2018-04-30 14:38 -0500
                                  Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions JTEM is right <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:06 -0700
    Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich’s wild predictions Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-04-23 12:00 -0700
      Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-23 22:05 -0700
        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-04-23 22:41 -0700
          Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-24 11:16 -0700
            Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-04-24 11:34 -0700
              Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-24 12:02 -0700
                Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-04-24 12:05 -0700
        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmaîl.con> - 2018-04-23 22:43 -0700
          Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-24 10:32 -0700
      Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Winston_Smith <invalid@butterfly.net> - 2018-04-23 22:31 -0700
        Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions Rudy Canoza <cap@philhendrie.con> - 2018-04-23 22:39 -0700

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#644978 — Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich’s wild predictions

ONE of my favorite pastimes is picking holes in the population
panic-mongering of people such as Paul Ehrlich.

It’s so easy: dig up any prediction made by these sourpussed baby-fearers
20-odd years ago, contrast it to how things actually turned out, and hey
presto, you have hard evidence that Malthusian miserabilists always
overstate how bad things are going to get.

Ehrlich, the population control lobby’s alarmist-in-chief, who’s in
Australia to speak at the Adelaide Festival, is the easiest doom-monger to
slap down. He wrongly predicts calamity as casually as the rest of us
discuss the weather.

In his 1968 book The Population Bomb, bible of eco-bellyachers everywhere,
he said the planet was about to become so overpopulated that global famine
would ensue and millions would die. He predicted that “by the year 2000 the
UK will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some
70 million hungry people”. Nope. I can report that Britain is doing so well
that we’re more freaked out by an alleged obesity epidemic than by hunger.

Ehrlich said India would not survive the 1970s. As a result of too many
brown babies being born, we’d see the “dissolution of India as a viable
nation”.

Wrong again. India’s population has more than doubled since 1970, from 550
million to 1.2 billion, yet there are fewer hungry people, more in the
middle class, bigger cities, and life expectancy has risen from 49 years in
1970 to 65.1 years today. If India is anything to go by, more people means
more stuff, more development, more life - not more disaster.

Amazingly, Ehrlich’s passion for misery-mongering hasn’t been dented by the
failure of any of his horror scenarios to materialize. In The Australian
this week he and his wife Anne warned of “global disaster” if women didn’t
stop having “large-scale families”.

If you want to make some easy money, I suggest putting a bet on this
prediction going the same way as all the others - straight into the file
marked “Crazy Things Paul Ehrlich Predicted That Never Came True”.

Yet while many observers, like me, get a kick from exposing Ehrlich’s
wrongheaded alarmism, the big fallacy on which all his other fallacies are
built is rarely challenged.

Ehrlich’s core belief - that we live on a finite planet, with fixed
resources - is never mocked. And that’s because this ill-informed prejudice
is commonplace even among the more moderate greens and “progressives” who
laugh in the face of Ehrlich’s crazier claims during his visit to Oz.

Like every Malthusian since Malthus himself, Ehrlich is convinced that
resources are limited and therefore we can sustain only a certain number of
people. As he told ABC radio in 2011, “You cannot have infinite growth in a
finite space.” But it isn’t true that we live on a finite planet. That’s a
spectacularly ahistorical way of understanding natural resources and
humanity’s relationship with them.

Resources aren’t fixed; they’re fluid and changeable because the usefulness
of a resource is determined by us.

Consider coal. For centuries it was a useless black rock that some Roman-era
communities used to make jewelry. It wasn’t until the Industrial
Revolution that mankind unlocked coal’s secret: that it could be used to
power new machines and in the process remake entire societies and overhaul
human existence.

Or consider uranium. Two thousand years ago people used it as a dye, to make
glass yellow. In the 20th century we used it to light up and power entire
cities. We transformed a decorative chemical element into a source of
awesome energy.

If you had said to a Roman woman, “One day that jewel around your neck will
power things called steam engines”, or told an early Christian that his
yellow dye would be used to create light and heat comparable to the sun’s,
they would have laughed at you or locked you up.

As human society develops, so does our understanding of the secrets hidden
within natural resources, alongside our ability to exploit those resources.
Nature doesn’t determine what is a resource or how far it will go; we do.

The reason every population panicker and moody green has been wrong about
future doom is because they’re addicted to the idea of finiteness; they
think resources are fixed and will run out one day.

Nonsense. The only thing in short supply today is a willingness among people
to experiment like earlier generations did, and to find out what else
uranium, or some other as yet untapped earthly or planetary resource, can do
for us.

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#644989

 Byker wrote:
 
> In his 1968 book The Population Bomb, bible of eco-bellyachers everywhere,
> he said the planet was about to become so overpopulated that global famine
> would ensue and millions would die.

He was right, only he lacked a crystal ball and
could not foresee game-changing developments.

Google:  IR8

It's a "Miracle" rice strain that shot up yields and
avoided those millions of famine deaths. Ironically,
it was developed BEFORE the publication of his book,
but all of his knowledge, his research -- his entire
history -- would have accumulated before the introduction
of IR8.

> He predicted that “by the year 2000 the
> UK will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some
> 70 million hungry people”.

The U.K. still can't feed itself. In fact, the only
western European nation capable of feeding itself
is France. The rest are dependent upon imports.

Picture this:

You're driving a car. You're going very fast, too
fast, way above the speed limit. And, you're not
paying attention. You're playing with the radio,
reading text messages on your phone, talking to 
your passengers -- EVERYTHING but paying attention
to the road. And then one of your passengers shouts
out, "WE'RE GOING TO CRASH!"  Suddenly your attention
is pulled back to the road where you see that you're
speeding right into a broken down truck. So, you
brake, you swerve and you manage to avoid crashing
into the broken down truck.

The warning -- or "Prediction," if you prefer --
that you're going to crash wasn't wrong. It was
100% right. You were on a collision course! And,
it was only the warning ("Prediction") that made
you see your fate and take measures to avoid it.

The United States imposed drastic anti pollution
measures, beginning in the 1960s. Air quality has
been changed. Even with more cars, car pollution
is much less, the killer smog is all but completely
gone. 

The crash was avoided, so to speak...

Same with food.







 


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#644997 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 19:05:32 -0500, "Byker"  wrote:

>ONE of my favorite pastimes is picking holes in the population
>panic-mongering of people such as Paul Ehrlich.
>
>It’s so easy: dig up any prediction made by these sourpussed baby-fearers
>20-odd years ago, contrast it to how things actually turned out, and hey
>presto, you have hard evidence that Malthusian miserabilists always
>overstate how bad things are going to get.

Perhaps it's just that a rubber band is elastic - very elastic - until
it isn't.

I do see your point however. I have a modest collection of books with
titles like "How to survive he great crash of 19xx". The 60s on into
the 90s and of course Y2K. Each goes over the same bits financial
history and theory, moves it 10 years in the future, and gives the
same classic survival advice.

I guess there is a market. The test would be if the next one out
really has a new basis or just rehashes to last one with a date slide.

>In his 1968 book The Population Bomb, bible of eco-bellyachers everywhere,
>he said the planet was about to become so overpopulated that global famine
>would ensue and millions would die. 

Science has done wonders in producing more food per acre and growing
it on what was worthless land. However. It's at the coast of
mono-cropping, soil depletion, and aquifer repletion. That rubber band
you know.

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#645013 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

"Winston_Smith"  wrote in message
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>
> I have a modest collection of books with titles like "How to survive he
> great crash of 19xx". The 60s on into the 90s and of course Y2K. Each goes
> over the same bits financial history and theory, moves it 10 years in the
> future, and gives the same classic survival advice.

And the last chapter nearly always urges you to buy gold or some other
precious metal.

> I guess there is a market.

It has become a cottage industry, like JFK assassination theories.

> The test would be if the next one out really has a new basis or just
> rehashes to last one with a date slide.

These gloom-and-doom authors whine about the future all the way to the bank.

Example: Dr. Ravi Batra, economist, author, and professor at Southern
Methodist University. His books center around the main thesis that financial
capitalism breeds excessive inequality and political corruption which
inevitably degenerates into financial crisis and economic depression. In his
works, Batra proposes an equitable distribution system known as Progressive
Utilization Theory (PROUT) as a means to not only ensure material welfare
but also to secure the ability of all to develop a full personality, or at
least that's his theory.  I first time I heard of him was when I read his
NYT #1 bestseller in 1987.  The title: "The Great Depression of 1990"... 

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#645015 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

Byker wrote:

> And the last chapter nearly always urges you to buy gold or some other
> precious metal.

Buy silver. Honestly, if there was some kind of
crash and you needed the metals in place of
paper currency, you want to have silver.

Why?

Because if you have gold coins then everything
will cost you gold coins. What, you expect the
next guy to make change with smaller gold coins?

If you have silver then everything will cost you
silver, and you can buy a lot more silver than 
gold...

So if you're a "Survivalist" buying metals, buy
silver.







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#645037 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 06:33:26 -0500, "Byker" wrote:
>"Winston_Smith"  wrote
>>
>> I have a modest collection of books with titles like "How to survive he
>> great crash of 19xx". The 60s on into the 90s and of course Y2K. Each goes
>> over the same bits financial history and theory, moves it 10 years in the
>> future, and gives the same classic survival advice.
>
>And the last chapter nearly always urges you to buy gold or some other
>precious metal.

Naturally. And silver because no one can give change for an ounce of
gold when you buy a loaf of bread. A few mention property.

The usual litany, guns, ammo, food with no instruction on what foods
have what shelf life, providing nutritional balance, or how to pack
them for long storage. Cigarettes, ammo, butane lighters, and toilet
paper for barter. None realize TP is a relatively new thing as is
matches and lighters - but people went about everyday life without
them.

Absolutely none have read anything about the Great Depression,
particularly Europe in the beginning years while the German Mark was
collapsing. Very instructive as to everyday financial matters, IMHO.
Like a grand piano or priceless heirloom art object for 5 pounds of
potatoes. They were not one big happy community working to get through
it together.

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#645069 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

"Winston_Smith"  wrote in message
news:hsatddl2kk0ose2pma52pkrmppig5ghreb@4ax.com...
>
> Absolutely none have read anything about the Great Depression,
> particularly Europe in the beginning years while the German Mark was
> collapsing. Very instructive as to everyday financial matters, IMHO. Like
> a grand piano or priceless heirloom art object for 5 pounds of potatoes.
> They were not one big happy community working to get through it together.

"Last time around" people had a strong leader to rally behind (FDR), but as
the Depression worsened, Communist and Fascist political factions came out
of the woodwork and didn't seem so whacko anymore.  Populists like Huey Long
were regarded as bad jokes until Wall Street laid its proverbial egg and
people lost faith in the "system."  By 1932 things had gotten so bad that,
aside from historians, few people today realize just how close the U.S. came
to becoming a police state.

Two or three generations hence, today's pampered society wouldn't stand for
standing in bread lines all day or living in Hoovervilles.  Back then people
had it a LOT tougher, with no employee retirement plans, no Social Security,
no Welfare and foot stamps, no minimum wage law, no 1964 Civil Rights Act,
and since the U.S. population was a lot more rural then, doing without
running water or electricity.  When food riots broke out, or strikes were
crushed ruthlessly, the public was lucky if it got to see 30 seconds of
grainy, silent, 16mm newsreel footage from Movietone News.  Most of the
footage of that era showing strikers and mobs in general being tear-gassed,
clubbed, and shot by police and National Guardsmen that you see nowadays was
never shown to 1930's audiences.  What Rodney King went through was dished
out by cops on a daily basis.

With the mass media of today, especially with the Internet, trying to keep
"bad news" like that away from the public would be impossible.  There are no
FDR's out there anymore (nowadays he wouldn't stand a chance of getting
elected anyway) and with the likes of Black Lives Matter running around
preaching insurrection, it wouldn't take much of a spark to set off the
powderkeg in time of crisis.

Oh, and another thing:  "Race riots," prior to the 1960's, involved TWO
races, usually blacks versus Whites.  They were big, oversized brawls that
took to the streets, in other words.  But in the last 60-some years, "riot"
has come to mean an orgy of looting and arson by ghetto dwellers who think
that "society" owes them something.  Had, say, a 1992-style "uprising," as
Maxine
Waters called it, happened in L.A. c.1935, the bongo party would have been
brought to an abrupt and brutal end with the LAPD and National Guard simply
spraying lead at every LOOTer in sight.  By morning there probably would
have been 1,000 dead, and in the weeks following, entire black neighborhoods
would have been razed just to get the niggers out of town.  Just imagine how
the Reginald Denny incident would have been reacted to had that shown up in
movie newsreels.  You'd have had a 1921 Tulsa on your hands, multiplied a
hundredfold.

In 1984 there was an old, white-haired black security guard where
I worked, and he was more than a little disgusted with today's black
Americans.  Once he told us about how he and his teen-age great-grandson
were watching a documentary on the Civil Right movement, and when the
footage of the demonstrators being fire-hosed and mauled by police dogs was
trotted out, the kid bragged, "Man, dey wuddn'a done dat shit to ME!"
Great-grandpa replied, "No, boy, they'd have just blown your fool head off." 

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#645014 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On 04/22/2018 10:57 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 19:05:32 -0500, "Byker"  wrote:
>
>> ONE of my favorite pastimes is picking holes in the population
>> panic-mongering of people such as Paul Ehrlich.
>>
>> It’s so easy: dig up any prediction made by these sourpussed baby-fearers
>> 20-odd years ago, contrast it to how things actually turned out, and hey
>> presto, you have hard evidence that Malthusian miserabilists always
>> overstate how bad things are going to get.
>
> Perhaps it's just that a rubber band is elastic - very elastic - until
> it isn't.
>
> I do see your point however. I have a modest collection of books with
> titles like "How to survive he great crash of 19xx". The 60s on into
> the 90s and of course Y2K. Each goes over the same bits financial
> history and theory, moves it 10 years in the future, and gives the
> same classic survival advice.
>
> I guess there is a market. The test would be if the next one out
> really has a new basis or just rehashes to last one with a date slide.
>
>> In his 1968 book The Population Bomb, bible of eco-bellyachers everywhere,
>> he said the planet was about to become so overpopulated that global famine
>> would ensue and millions would die.
>
> Science has done wonders in producing more food per acre and growing
> it on what was worthless land. However. It's at the coast of
> mono-cropping, soil depletion, and aquifer repletion. That rubber band
> you know.
>
>

In the '70s IR8 rice and the 'Green Revolution' saved India. Famine was 
averted but the problem continues:

https://www.indiafoodbanking.org/hunger

Byker must be a devotee of a god who hungers for the greatest possible 
human biomass before he destroys the species.

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#645022 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

"rbowman"  wrote in message news:fk65oiFifpoU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> In the '70s IR8 rice and the 'Green Revolution' saved India. Famine was
> averted but the problem continues:
>
> https://www.indiafoodbanking.org/hunger
>
> Byker must be a devotee of a god who hungers for the greatest possible
> human biomass before he destroys the species.

No biggie as long as the genocide is confined to the Turd World:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BobKXkrt8M

"A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from
present levels, would be ideal."
-- Ted Turner

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people
per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say
it."
-- J. Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

"We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion,
about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in
short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't
enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."
-- Mikhail Gorbachev

"World population needs to be decreased by 50%"
Henry Kissinger

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer
virus to lower human population levels."
-- Prince Phillip

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the
parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required
to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens
chosen for childbearing."
-- David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

"The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane
classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty,
energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which
it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the
stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year
has passed.”
-- Sir Winston Churchill, 1910 

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#645025 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

 Byker wrote:

> No biggie as long as the genocide is confined to the Turd World:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BobKXkrt8M
> 
> "A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from
> present levels, would be ideal."
> -- Ted Turner
> 
> "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people
> per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say
> it."
> -- J. Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

Ironically, even if a drastic population decline were
necessary, nobody would have to be hurt at all.

We reward assholes with money all the time. Obama's 
gas-guzzler voucher program rewarded assholes who
spent a lot of money on gas guzzlers. Bush's and then
Obama's Bucks-for-Billionaires "Bailout" program
compensated corporate America for all their stupid
decisions. They even made the conscious choice to
bail out banks after the mortgage crisis, and not the
home owners!

What I'm saying is, we reward the rich for making
stupid decisions all the time. Why not pay the poor
to not have children?

It's this class warfare, the utter contempt for
human being showing here. It's actually better to
kill people than to pay them, when we already 
give away more than enough money to fund such a
program to the people who don't need it.

Set up shop, play people.

Start at $10k a person. They come in for a
sterilization and they walk away with $10k.

Tax free.

So offer $10k and see how many takers you get.
Slowly, and I do mean "Slowly," increase the
offer as time goes by. 

Heck, just economic growth alone reduces the
birth rate. As people grow more & more affluent
there is an unmistakable link between having
children and lowering their standard of living.

    ...Italy, for example, has a NEGATIVE growth
rate!  And the U.S. has LESS THAN 1%, even with
all the immigration PLUS illegal aliens...

Raise the standard of living for "The Bottom"
80 to 90%. That's it. That alone will reduce
the population. AND THEN offer things like
sterilization rewards on top of that. 

What we have to do is incentivize "The Bottom"
80 to 90% as if they were rich & powerful. You
know, treat them like they matter. That's the
secret that everybody has been screaming for
decades.






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#645028 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On 04/23/2018 12:44 PM, Byker wrote:
>
> "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and
> insane
> classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty,
> energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which
> it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the
> stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another
> year
> has passed.”
> -- Sir Winston Churchill, 1910

It's very seldom I find myself agreeing with Churchill. Perhaps he 
hadn't pickled himself in brandy that early.

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#645031 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On 4/23/2018 9:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 12:44 PM, Byker wrote:
>>
>> "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and
>> insane
>> classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty,
>> energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger 
>> which
>> it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the
>> stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another
>> year
>> has passed.”
>> -- Sir Winston Churchill, 1910
> 
> It's very seldom I find myself agreeing with Churchill. Perhaps he 
> hadn't pickled himself in brandy that early.

Heh! Heh! I think he stole that from Adolph Hitler. The man that really 
did eliminate many insane and crippled people. Along of course with 
Jews, Gypsy's etc. But Churchill is applauded by his kind for inventing
Concentration/Death camps in South Africa. The Boers truly appreciated
the Ambiance of those camps. We may have the same...FEMA camps awaiting 
the order from the Deep state.


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It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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#645042 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On 04/23/2018 09:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 4/23/2018 9:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 04/23/2018 12:44 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>
>>> "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and
>>> insane
>>> classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty,
>>> energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger
>>> which
>>> it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the
>>> stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another
>>> year
>>> has passed.”
>>> -- Sir Winston Churchill, 1910
>>
>> It's very seldom I find myself agreeing with Churchill. Perhaps he
>> hadn't pickled himself in brandy that early.
>
> Heh! Heh! I think he stole that from Adolph Hitler. The man that really
> did eliminate many insane and crippled people. Along of course with
> Jews, Gypsy's etc. But Churchill is applauded by his kind for inventing
> Concentration/Death camps in South Africa. The Boers truly appreciated
> the Ambiance of those camps. We may have the same...FEMA camps awaiting
> the order from the Deep state.
>
>
I think that was a page out of the US playbook of sticking the Injuns in 
some very remote area and killing them if they tried to leave.

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#645043 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

On 4/24/2018 12:14 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 09:11 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
>> On 4/23/2018 9:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 04/23/2018 12:44 PM, Byker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and
>>>> insane
>>>> classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty,
>>>> energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger
>>>> which
>>>> it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the
>>>> stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another
>>>> year
>>>> has passed.”
>>>> -- Sir Winston Churchill, 1910
>>>
>>> It's very seldom I find myself agreeing with Churchill. Perhaps he
>>> hadn't pickled himself in brandy that early.
>>
>> Heh! Heh! I think he stole that from Adolph Hitler. The man that really
>> did eliminate many insane and crippled people. Along of course with
>> Jews, Gypsy's etc. But Churchill is applauded by his kind for inventing
>> Concentration/Death camps in South Africa. The Boers truly appreciated
>> the Ambiance of those camps. We may have the same...FEMA camps awaiting
>> the order from the Deep state.
>>
>>
> I think that was a page out of the US playbook of sticking the Injuns in 
> some very remote area and killing them if they tried to leave.

Shhhhhh... The survivors are listening.


-- 
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

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#645033 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

 rbowman wrote:

>  Byker wrote:
> >
> > "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and
> > insane
> > classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty,
> > energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which
> > it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the
> > stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another
> > year
> > has passed.”
> > -- Sir Winston Churchill, 1910
> 
> It's very seldom I find myself agreeing with Churchill. Perhaps he 
> hadn't pickled himself in brandy that early.

Churchill was the very embodiment of the "Lucky
Sperm Club." If it hadn't been born privileged he
would have died a useless drunk in some gutter,
exactly the kind of person he wanted to see dead.

The man was a disaster. His "Contribution" to
the First World War was an idiotic waste of human
life. For WWII, his meddling could only be
compared to Hitler's -- Norway, Crete & Greece,
all products of Churchill's ego, all disastrous
failures. And, pro rated, Churchill killed off
a lot more Indians than Hitler killed Jews, with
his Bengal Famine.

Bengal was a part of India at the time.

THIS IS TIME MAGAZINE HERE!  I am NOT quoting 
some obscure, axe-grinding website:

: Churchill's only response to a telegram from
: the government in Delhi about people perishing
: in the famine was to ask why Gandhi hadn't
: died yet. 

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2031992,00.html

Churchill was a rich, overly privileged demon,
a true war criminal and a megalomaniac. If anyone
should have been aborted, it was Churchill.




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#645070 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

: Churchill's only response to a telegram from
: the government in Delhi about people perishing
: in the famine was to ask why Gandhi hadn't
: died yet. 

He would have had China, Russia, or Germany been running the show...

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#645068 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

"rbowman"  wrote in message news:fk7hd7FrupcU2@mid.individual.net...
>
> It's very seldom I find myself agreeing with Churchill. Perhaps he hadn't
> pickled himself in brandy that early.

Suffice it to say he was a product of his times. And as to be expected, 
leftist revisionists love to drag his name through the mud.

"Shashi Tharoor" compares Sir Winston to Hitler and Stalin:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/10/in-winston-churchill-hollywood-rewards-a-mass-murderer/

Now look at the readers' comments:
https://spectator.org/winston-churchill-the-racist-war-criminal/

Had India been lorded over by Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, Mahatma Gandhi would
have been arrested after his first demonstration, shot, and quickly
forgotten... 

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#645088 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

Byker wrote:

> "Shashi Tharoor" compares Sir Winston to Hitler and Stalin:

Objectively, Churchill was worse, having oversaw
more deaths, pro rated.

Churchill was a meddling, ego maniacal war criminal.

The quote about "Why isn't Gandhi dead?" It's because
India didn't very much appreciate being owned by the
British, and a great many saw WWII as an opportunity
to free itself. Famines worked for the British in
Ireland as well as India in the past -- it's hard to
cause trouble when you're dying -- and even Stalin had
put one to good use in the Ukrainian prior to the war,
so Churchill followed the script...





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#645124 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

"The brilliant JTEM"  wrote in message
news:26e88a4d-d1f0-4ab5-82cd-e9f45b800007@googlegroups.com...

Byker wrote:
>>
>> "Shashi Tharoor" compares Sir Winston to Hitler and Stalin:
>
> Objectively, Churchill was worse, having oversaw more deaths, pro rated.
>
> Churchill was a meddling, ego maniacal war criminal.
>
> The quote about "Why isn't Gandhi dead?" It's because India didn't very
> much appreciate being owned by the British, and a great many saw WWII as
> an opportunity to free itself. Famines worked for the British in Ireland
> as well as India in the past -- it's hard to cause trouble when you're
> dying -- and even Stalin had put one to good use in the Ukrainian prior to
> the war, so Churchill followed the script...

Had the British not colonized India then Indian subcontinent would have been
divided into hundreds of small and large countries, each ruled by a raja,
with almost no rights to their common citizens. Heavy amounts of corrupt and
superstitious beliefs would have been prevailed in their societies and
despite having rich amounts of natural resources they'd still have to deal
with the caste system (which is still there but not to the extent which it
would been).

Would the French or Portuguese have been better masters?

As Indian-American journalist and TV host Fareed Zakaria wrote in "The
Post-American World" (2008):

"India's democracy is truly extraordinary. ... India's political system owes
much to the institutions put in place by the British over two hundred years
ago. In many other parts of Asia and in Africa, the British were a
relatively temporary presence. They were in India for centuries. They saw it
as the jewel in their imperial crown and built lasting institutions of
government throughout the country--courts, universities, administrative
agencies. But perhaps even more importantly, India got very lucky with the
vehicle of its independence, the Congress Party, and its first generations
of post-independence leaders, who nurtured the best traditions of the
British and drew on older Indian customs to reinforce them."
https://tinyurl.com/yaqz6w43
https://www.amazon.com/Post-American-World-Fareed-Zakaria/dp/039306235X

Sometimes I wonder who conquered who:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1730172,00.html





Interesting: http://jtem.tumblr.com: "The Sun's not yellow it's chicken"
"JTEM whining about this & that, plus the secrets of the universe and the
occasional chicken recipe."

REAL highbrowed, eh? 

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#645141 — Re: Give yourself a laugh today, pick holes in Ehrlich's wild predictions

 Byker wrote:

> Had the British not colonized India then Indian subcontinent would have been
> divided into hundreds of small and large countries, each ruled by a raja,
> with almost no rights to their common citizens.

All of the Greenie headlines are also based on
a crystal ball.

The Indians saw things quite a bit different, as
did most of the globe. They were far from the
only people who saw a potential German victory as
their rescue from the British boot.






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