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  Re: New Programmer's Drink? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-11-19 11:00 -0800
    Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-19 22:38 -0400
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> - 2021-11-20 04:49 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-20 19:08 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-11-22 10:13 -0500
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-22 16:13 +0000
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-11-23 19:35 +0000
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-11-20 10:29 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 12:10 -0600
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-11-20 20:28 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 17:36 -0500
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-21 02:01 -0400
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 11:26 -0500
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 12:38 -0600
            Re: what's in your water, was New Programmer's Drink? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-11-21 19:23 +0000
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2021-11-21 19:58 -0500
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-23 08:58 +0000
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-22 17:05 +0000
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-22 18:15 +0000
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-23 09:05 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-11-25 19:37 -0800
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 12:07 -0600
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-21 15:30 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-21 16:27 +0000
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> - 2021-11-23 08:56 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-11-23 12:14 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-23 14:27 +0000
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-11-23 08:32 -0600
      Re: New Programmer's Drink? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-11-25 19:41 -0800
        Re: New Programmer's Drink? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 00:48 -0500
          Re: New Programmer's Drink? lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) - 2021-11-26 10:23 -0600
            Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-26 19:47 -0400
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-27 18:25 +0000
                Re: New Programmer's Drink? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-11-27 20:53 -0400
              Re: New Programmer's Drink? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2021-11-27 23:23 -0500
                Re: New Programmer's Drink? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-11-28 19:32 -0500
                  Re: New Programmer's Drink? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-11-29 03:23 +0000
                    Re: New Programmer's Drink? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-11-29 09:40 +0000
                      Re: New Programmer's Drink? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-11-29 14:38 +0000

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#219776 — Re: New Programmer's Drink?

On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:

> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
> entity in the caffeine wars?
> Double your caffeine, double your fun...

Jolt is still around.

There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".

John Savard

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#219784

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
> 
>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
> 
> Jolt is still around.
> 
> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".

When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
content.

Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
phosphoric acid.  Since then, I  spotted it in other drinks.

I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
Dentistry be damned, eh?  

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#219789

On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>> 
>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>> 
>> Jolt is still around.
>> 
>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
>

And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?

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#219801

On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> wrote:

> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>> 
>>> Jolt is still around.
>>> 
>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>
>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.

I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate.  That's about
the only reference that I remember.

And there was the myth where if you left a penny in a glass of Coca-Cola
overnight it would dissolve.

> And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?

Reminds me of a scene from _Deep Throat_...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#219824

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>> 
>>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>> 
>>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>>
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>
> I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
> down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate.  That's about
> the only reference that I remember.

The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
at home.  I have not.

https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/


> And there was the myth where if you left a penny in a glass of Coca-Cola
> overnight it would dissolve.
>
>> And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?
>
> Reminds me of a scene from _Deep Throat_...

-- 

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#219825

Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> writes:
>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>>>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>>>
>>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>>> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>>> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>>> content.
>>
>> I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
>> down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate.  That's about
>> the only reference that I remember.
>
>The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
>at home.  I have not.
>
>https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/

And it's from the "Extinct Chemical Company".  Clever.

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#219842

Radey Shouman wrote:

> The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
> at home.  I have not.
> 
> https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/

 From reading that label, it sounds like it should contain extract of snake ...

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#219791

On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> 
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> 
> > On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
> >> new entity in the caffeine wars?
> >> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
> > 
> > Jolt is still around.
> > 
> > There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
> > They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
> 
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
> 
I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
still take a fortnight to disolve?)

> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
> phosphoric acid.  Since then, I  spotted it in other drinks.
> 
> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
> Dentistry be damned, eh?  
> 
Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#219799

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>> 
>> > On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> >> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
>> >> new entity in the caffeine wars?
>> >> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>> > 
>> > Jolt is still around.
>> > 
>> > There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
>> > They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>> 
>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.
>> 
>I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
>where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
>in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
>still take a fortnight to disolve?)
>
>> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
>> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
>> phosphoric acid.  Since then, I  spotted it in other drinks.
>> 
>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>> Dentistry be damned, eh?  
>> 
>Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)

There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
for water in town.

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#219804

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:10:19 -0600
D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
[]
> >> 
> >Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you
> >feel about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!
> >)
> 
> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water

I had that problem, but I decided flouride might make it a bit doughy!

> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
> for water in town.

Like there's no place (hardly; maybe except inside a thick lead box?)
you can't get some dose of radiation (hopefully very very low).

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#219806

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:10:19 -0600, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
><admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>> 
>>> > On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
>>> > wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
>>> >> new entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> >> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>> > 
>>> > Jolt is still around.
>>> > 
>>> > There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
>>> > They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>> 
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates".  Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever.  And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>>> 
>>I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
>>where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
>>in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
>>still take a fortnight to disolve?)
>>
>>> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
>>> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
>>> phosphoric acid.  Since then, I  spotted it in other drinks.
>>> 
>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?  
>>> 
>>Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>
>There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>for water in town.

I read somewhere that that's how the benefits of fluorides were
discovered--there were communities with unusually good teeth and
nobody could figure out what they were doing differently until the
analyzed the water.

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#219808

D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?  
>> 
>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
> 
> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
> for water in town.

With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
to it.  I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
fillings pose no health risk whetever.

Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
area.  Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.

It's all in paying attention to detail.  Back in my chemistry days, I
read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
cobalt deficiency.  So ranchers salted the range with cobalt.  The
cattle continued to die.  A second study revealed that they were dying
of cobalt poisoning.  Seems that what was needed was something like (I
forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
like they did fertilizer or weed killer.

Attention to details.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#219812

On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
>D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?  
>>> 
>>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>> 
>> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>> for water in town.
>
>With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
>ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
>established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
>engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
>to it.  I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>fillings pose no health risk whetever.

Does anybody use amalgam fillings anymore?

>Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
>area.  Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
>drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.
>
>It's all in paying attention to detail.  Back in my chemistry days, I
>read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
>A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
>cobalt deficiency.  So ranchers salted the range with cobalt.  The
>cattle continued to die.  A second study revealed that they were dying
>of cobalt poisoning.  Seems that what was needed was something like (I
>forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
>over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
>like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
>Attention to details.

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#219816

On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?  
>>> 
>>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>> 
>> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>> for water in town.
>
>With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
>ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
>established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
>engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
>to it.  I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>fillings pose no health risk whetever.

I had some amalgam filling from my younger days. Im IS navyboot camp,
they just scooped out one tooth and filled it with amalgam. When I had
a good health plan, I asked for that to be removed... the dentist said
they weren't a problem. I pointed out politely I was willing to try a
different dentist office. They did 'find' a cavity or two in those
teeth, and made the changes.

I do feel better. That dental work where that was removed, was back in
the 1980s/1990s. I have insisted on no amalgam since then.

No idea if this is an actual effect or not, but since then my
relatives have said I look healthier.

>Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
>area.  Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
>drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.

There was a Boy Scount summer camp out in Texas that had drilled down
to get water for the camp. It contained sulphur. They had to install a
reverse osmosis system to clean out the sulphur, then they added in
chlorine. At least that is my memory of it. I know when the water
purification failed, the water smelled of sulphur compunds. 

They told us it wasn't bad for us, and it would keep the mosquitoes
away. Well, my personal experience is it lessened the number of
mosquitoes that buzzed around me head. Not all of them.

>It's all in paying attention to detail.  Back in my chemistry days, I
>read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
>A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
>cobalt deficiency.  So ranchers salted the range with cobalt.  The
>cattle continued to die.  A second study revealed that they were dying
>of cobalt poisoning.  Seems that what was needed was something like (I
>forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
>over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
>like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
>Attention to details.

Yeah, over do it.
--  
Jim

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#219818 — Re: what's in your water, was New Programmer's Drink?

According to Mike Spencer  <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>:
>With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
>ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
>established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
>engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
>to it.

We've been adding chlorine for a lot longer, and as I'm sure you know,
chlorine was used to kill soldiers in WW I.  Dosages matter.

>  I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>fillings pose no health risk whetever.

I share your concern there, the data are much less clear.

-- 
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#219819

On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
> fillings pose no health risk whetever.

If I recall correctly, the assertion is that leaving amalgam fillings
in place poses less health risk than drilling them out.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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#219832

On 2021-11-22, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
><mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>> fillings pose no health risk whetever.
>
> If I recall correctly, the assertion is that leaving amalgam fillings
> in place poses less health risk than drilling them out.
>

+++

I keep my teeth in a glass beside the bed now.


-- 
greymausg@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!

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#219826

On 2021-11-21, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> It's all in paying attention to detail.  Back in my chemistry days, I
> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
> cobalt deficiency.  So ranchers salted the range with cobalt.  The
> cattle continued to die.  A second study revealed that they were dying
> of cobalt poisoning.  Seems that what was needed was something like (I
> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.

What?  You mean more isn't always better?  My faith is shaken...

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#219828

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 17:05:35 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:


> What?  You mean more isn't always better?  My faith is shaken...

	Less is the new more viz:

$ ls -i /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/more
68568 /usr/bin/less 68568 /usr/bin/more

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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#219833

On 2021-11-22, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2021-11-21, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> It's all in paying attention to detail.  Back in my chemistry days, I
>> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
>> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
>> cobalt deficiency.  So ranchers salted the range with cobalt.  The
>> cattle continued to die.  A second study revealed that they were dying
>> of cobalt poisoning.  Seems that what was needed was something like (I
>> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
>> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
>> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
> What?  You mean more isn't always better?  My faith is shaken...
>

When I was a farmer, I read the story of a farmer who hired someone to
spread a trace element on one field, the farmer walked up to the field
to check the job was done, and clover sprouthed on where the tiny
amount of dust was left as he walked away.

A local golf course had a new lawn manager, who spread something on the
greens which caused them to change color to deep purple. Their lease on
the land was conditional on their not spreading any. I never heard the
end of the story.


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