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| Started by | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| First post | 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400 |
| Last post | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
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Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-02 14:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-03 03:19 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 14:00 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 17:44 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-03 17:43 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-03 20:51 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-04 21:29 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-05 04:19 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-04 15:46 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 14:11 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-03 19:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-03 13:59 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-03 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 02:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:47 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-09-05 10:00 -0500
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:16 +0000
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:46 -0700
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-09-18 09:19 +0000
Re: real programmers, was HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-18 15:48 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-05 12:05 -0400
Re: fine old languages, HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-09-05 22:20 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 18:05 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:00 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 16:27 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 18:30 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-08 00:17 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-06 08:50 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2021-09-06 11:16 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:50 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-06 15:04 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2021-09-09 02:04 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:37 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-09-16 20:22 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 14:11 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 14:05 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 22:55 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 15:40 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 18:57 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 22:33 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-17 07:13 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-05 10:44 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:44 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:43 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:51 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-05 14:11 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-09-05 18:31 -0300
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 19:45 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 13:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:27 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-06 23:59 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 09:41 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 11:54 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 10:58 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:58 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 15:12 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 17:40 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 13:42 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 14:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 12:45 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 06:00 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-08 16:17 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 05:55 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 17:40 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-16 18:16 +0000
JRRT's linguistic influences [was not really: Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-17 16:35 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 19:19 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-16 23:26 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-16 18:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-16 20:55 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 14:41 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-16 23:15 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 14:12 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 15:34 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-09-16 06:09 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-09-10 18:25 +0200
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 01:40 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 09:38 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-05 10:49 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 11:22 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:31 +0100
OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-05 11:38 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 12:15 +0100
Re: OT : Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:30 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:05 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-05 10:13 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:50 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 20:18 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 22:38 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 08:53 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-05 12:22 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-05 17:26 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 17:29 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-09-05 23:35 -0500
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 17:37 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 13:46 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 10:58 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 14:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 17:42 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 21:07 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 20:01 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-07 22:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-08 09:22 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 00:02 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-07 14:15 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-07 20:44 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-09-07 00:22 -0500
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-06 09:04 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-09-15 18:08 +0100
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox SixOverFive <hae274c.net> - 2021-09-05 23:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 00:01 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-06 16:08 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-09-06 21:09 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-09-08 16:14 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-09-03 19:34 +0000
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-03 19:57 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-x4i-this> - 2021-09-03 08:00 -0700
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-04 15:09 -0400
Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 17:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j9dajg5qatlmr7sfdqbqm3r1n0j0lhtsc4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218668 |
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>> >>> >>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >> >> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >> 64-bit. >> >> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >> mainstream. >> >Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >clock speed are stuck. And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance improvement.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-05 23:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sh45qj$thu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218674 |
On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>> >>>> >>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>> >>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>> 64-bit. >>> >>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>> mainstream. >>> >> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >> clock speed are stuck. > > And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old > machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT > Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old > machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance > improvement. > Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And I could do video editing on its predecessor.
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 17:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsjcke7.dkr.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #218687 |
On 2021-09-06, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>>> >>>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>>> 64-bit. >>>> >>>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>>> mainstream. >>>> >>> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >>> clock speed are stuck. >> >> And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old >> machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT >> Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old >> machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance >> improvement. >> > Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good > enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away > always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My > current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store > (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And > I could do video editing on its predecessor. I agree thoroughly with the above. The problem is now that more people are discovering it aw well, and old laptops with good keyboards are getting expensive. A friend who visited me in hospital was praising his chromebook, so I got one after getting home. They are far less usable than even Windows. > >
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 13:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kqkcjghj8qopge1oeglkt6qvtcgt8v63n4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218699 |
On 6 Sep 2021 17:37:11 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >On 2021-09-06, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>>>> >>>>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>>>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>>>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>>>> 64-bit. >>>>> >>>>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>>>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>>>> mainstream. >>>>> >>>> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >>>> clock speed are stuck. >>> >>> And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old >>> machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT >>> Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old >>> machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance >>> improvement. >>> >> Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good >> enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away >> always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My >> current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store >> (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And >> I could do video editing on its predecessor. > >I agree thoroughly with the above. The problem is now that more people >are discovering it aw well, and old laptops with good keyboards are >getting expensive. > >A friend who visited me in hospital was praising his chromebook, so >I got one after getting home. They are far less usable than even >Windows. It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. You are not constrained to use the keyboard attached to the laptop you know. I haven't touched the keyboard on the one my employer issued me in well over a year. You also aren't constrained to use the built-in display.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <177353273.652643835.327132.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218702 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > On 6 Sep 2021 17:37:11 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: > >> On 2021-09-06, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>> On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>>>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>>>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>>>>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>>>>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>>>>> 64-bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>>>>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>>>>> mainstream. >>>>>> >>>>> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >>>>> clock speed are stuck. >>>> >>>> And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old >>>> machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT >>>> Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old >>>> machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance >>>> improvement. >>>> >>> Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good >>> enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away >>> always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My >>> current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store >>> (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And >>> I could do video editing on its predecessor. >> >> I agree thoroughly with the above. The problem is now that more people >> are discovering it aw well, and old laptops with good keyboards are >> getting expensive. >> >> A friend who visited me in hospital was praising his chromebook, so >> I got one after getting home. They are far less usable than even >> Windows. > > It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into > the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. Security is a big reason. > > You are not constrained to use the keyboard attached to the laptop you > know. I haven't touched the keyboard on the one my employer issued me > in well over a year. You also aren't constrained to use the built-in > display. > > -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 14:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <aolcjg1ooe271s1ft9fq5h44a7ofjfsolv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218704 |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 6 Sep 2021 17:37:11 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >> >>> On 2021-09-06, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>> On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>>>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>>>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>>>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>>>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>>>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>>>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>>>>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>>>>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>>>>>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>>>>>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>>>>>> 64-bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>>>>>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>>>>>> mainstream. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >>>>>> clock speed are stuck. >>>>> >>>>> And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old >>>>> machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT >>>>> Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old >>>>> machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance >>>>> improvement. >>>>> >>>> Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good >>>> enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away >>>> always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My >>>> current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store >>>> (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And >>>> I could do video editing on its predecessor. >>> >>> I agree thoroughly with the above. The problem is now that more people >>> are discovering it aw well, and old laptops with good keyboards are >>> getting expensive. >>> >>> A friend who visited me in hospital was praising his chromebook, so >>> I got one after getting home. They are far less usable than even >>> Windows. >> >> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. > >Security is a big reason. How is having having every keystroke I type sent across the Internet more secure than having it go across a wire on my desk? How is _anything_ that relies on the Web for everything more secure than something that can be air-gapped and locked in a drawer when not in use? >> You are not constrained to use the keyboard attached to the laptop you >> know. I haven't touched the keyboard on the one my employer issued me >> in well over a year. You also aren't constrained to use the built-in >> display. >> >>
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 17:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <69157275.652667905.421176.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218705 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 6 Sep 2021 17:37:11 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2021-09-06, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>>>>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>>>>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>>>>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>>>>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>>>>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>>>>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>>>>>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>>>>>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>>>>>>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>>>>>>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>>>>>>> 64-bit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>>>>>>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>>>>>>> mainstream. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >>>>>>> clock speed are stuck. >>>>>> >>>>>> And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old >>>>>> machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT >>>>>> Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old >>>>>> machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance >>>>>> improvement. >>>>>> >>>>> Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good >>>>> enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away >>>>> always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My >>>>> current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store >>>>> (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And >>>>> I could do video editing on its predecessor. >>>> >>>> I agree thoroughly with the above. The problem is now that more people >>>> are discovering it aw well, and old laptops with good keyboards are >>>> getting expensive. >>>> >>>> A friend who visited me in hospital was praising his chromebook, so >>>> I got one after getting home. They are far less usable than even >>>> Windows. >>> >>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. >> >> Security is a big reason. > > How is having having every keystroke I type sent across the Internet > more secure than having it go across a wire on my desk? > > How is _anything_ that relies on the Web for everything more secure > than something that can be air-gapped and locked in a drawer when not > in use? Some of my knowledge is dated. As originally shipped I think Chrome OS didn’t allow users to install software, and all data was stored in the cloud, so no viruses. I think that all went away, and Chrome now runs native, Linux, and windoze applications, a lot of the security benefits have gone away. > >>> You are not constrained to use the keyboard attached to the laptop you >>> know. I haven't touched the keyboard on the one my employer issued me >>> in well over a year. You also aren't constrained to use the built-in >>> display. >>> >>> > -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 21:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2hedjgpkisc9a42d7i27aap2l6va00k8uf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #218719 |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 17:42:04 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 6 Sep 2021 17:37:11 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2021-09-06, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 9/5/2021 4:29 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 17:26:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >>>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05/09/2021 17:22, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 01:40:06 -0400, SixOverFive <hae274c.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/21 2:11 PM, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some professors are like that. I remember helping an undergrad find >>>>>>>>>>> the keypunch (I was a computer science grad student and I didn't even >>>>>>>>>>> know the school _had_ a keypunch or card reader until that came up). >>>>>>>>>>> Seems he was taking a programming course from somebody in the >>>>>>>>>>> chemistry department and that idiot insisted that his students use >>>>>>>>>>> cards because that's what they'd be working with in the real world. I >>>>>>>>>>> ended up having to go dig up an operator. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PART of the problem is that the computer world was >>>>>>>>>> evolving SO fast back then. What was State Of The >>>>>>>>>> Art one year was Obsolete Crap the next. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that is only true until the mid 80s. From 1971 to around 1984 the >>>>>>>>> address/data bus size of a (microprocessor based) CPU doubled several >>>>>>>>> times to 32-Bit. Since around 2000 mainstream hardware is stuck at >>>>>>>>> 64-bit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Today it's more RAM, faster CPU, more RAM, faster CPU... - how >>>>>>>>> boring. That should only change once Quantum-Computing becomes >>>>>>>>> mainstream. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Its not even that - its more cache, more cores, and SSD - RAM and CPU >>>>>>>> clock speed are stuck. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old >>>>>>> machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT >>>>>>> Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old >>>>>>> machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance >>>>>>> improvement. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sad? I guess on a global scale. But it has provided me with "good >>>>>> enough" hardware for many years (what clients were throwing away >>>>>> always worked fine for me, so I'd offer to recycle it for them). My >>>>>> current desktop (I hate laptop usability) was $40 at a thrift store >>>>>> (move the old display/keyboard/mouse over), likely a lease return. And >>>>>> I could do video editing on its predecessor. >>>>> >>>>> I agree thoroughly with the above. The problem is now that more people >>>>> are discovering it aw well, and old laptops with good keyboards are >>>>> getting expensive. >>>>> >>>>> A friend who visited me in hospital was praising his chromebook, so >>>>> I got one after getting home. They are far less usable than even >>>>> Windows. >>>> >>>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >>>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. >>> >>> Security is a big reason. >> >> How is having having every keystroke I type sent across the Internet >> more secure than having it go across a wire on my desk? >> >> How is _anything_ that relies on the Web for everything more secure >> than something that can be air-gapped and locked in a drawer when not >> in use? > >Some of my knowledge is dated. As originally shipped I think Chrome OS >didn’t allow users to install software, and all data was stored in the >cloud, so no viruses. What leads you to believe that data being in the cloud means no viruses? The viruses go on the cloud server, not your local machine, and breach security for everybody who uses that service, not just you. And that leaves aside the possibility that an insider in the cloud provider might steal your data. And that leaves totally aside "man in the middle" attacks. Hacking me is not worth the effort--too much work, too little reward. Hacking AWS though is very tempting, because the hacker gets not only my data but the data of millions of others, some of whom have very deep pockets. >I think that all went away, and Chrome now runs >native, Linux, and windoze applications, a lot of the security benefits >have gone away. Which were mostly imaginary. >>>> You are not constrained to use the keyboard attached to the laptop you >>>> know. I haven't touched the keyboard on the one my employer issued me >>>> in well over a year. You also aren't constrained to use the built-in >>>> display. >>>> >>>> >>
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 20:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210906200125.7802b7b4c80af76a7338953f@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218704 |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into > > the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. > > Security is a big reason. More like a good excuse, the industry (for that read Wall Street) much prefers an income model based on subscriptions rather than sales because it is predictable which gives investors warm fuzzy feelings. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8JPZI.75220$rl3.53146@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #218711 |
On 2021-09-06, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700 > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. >> >> Security is a big reason. > > More like a good excuse, the industry (for that read Wall Street) > much prefers an income model based on subscriptions rather than sales > because it is predictable which gives investors warm fuzzy feelings. I find it ironic that these huge corporations - who are no doubt strongly right-wing - have made it their goal to eliminate private ownership: the dream of Karl Marx. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 22:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210907220810.dae1e1c9caf84b5f14799277@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218748 |
On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 20:12:52 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2021-09-06, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700 > > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into > >>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. > >> > >> Security is a big reason. > > > > More like a good excuse, the industry (for that read Wall > > Street) much prefers an income model based on subscriptions rather than > > sales because it is predictable which gives investors warm fuzzy > > feelings. > > I find it ironic that these huge corporations - who are no doubt > strongly right-wing - have made it their goal to eliminate private > ownership: ... for other people, they rather like it for themselves. > the dream of Karl Marx. Russia is currently powered by turbines attached to his grave. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-08 09:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsjh07j.60f.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #218754 |
On 2021-09-07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 20:12:52 GMT > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2021-09-06, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:58:06 -0700 >> > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > >> >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >> >>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. >> >> >> >> Security is a big reason. >> > >> > More like a good excuse, the industry (for that read Wall >> > Street) much prefers an income model based on subscriptions rather than >> > sales because it is predictable which gives investors warm fuzzy >> > feelings. >> >> I find it ironic that these huge corporations - who are no doubt >> strongly right-wing - have made it their goal to eliminate private >> ownership: > > ... for other people, they rather like it for themselves. > >> the dream of Karl Marx. > > Russia is currently powered by turbines attached to his grave. > > So that is what the Nord Stream pipes are really for!
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 00:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87zgspm3rs.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218702 |
On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 13:46:08 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: > > It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into > the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. Chromebooks probably target the casual user doing Facebook, Twitter, some chat (text, audio, video), email or some games. And removes the virus thread known on Windows computers. Unless an app is bugged of course. -- Andreas
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 06:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2120658757.652714881.597245.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218724 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 13:46:08 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >> >> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. > > Chromebooks probably target the casual user doing Facebook, Twitter, some > chat (text, audio, video), email or some games. And removes the virus > thread known on Windows computers. Unless an app is bugged of course. Schools use them a lot, too. All the apps and data are in Google Docs. -- Pete
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 14:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87czpkmevh.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218733 |
On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 06:45:24 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 13:46:08 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. >> >> Chromebooks probably target the casual user doing Facebook, Twitter, some >> chat (text, audio, video), email or some games. And removes the virus >> thread known on Windows computers. Unless an app is bugged of course. > > Schools use them a lot, too. All the apps and data are in Google Docs. For the casual user I don't see anything wrong with that. But if you have confidential documents or deal with other sensitive data, Cloud Computing (and so the use of a Chromebook) is a bad idea. Anyway, they are cheap. And if you want, install Linux on them. -- Andreas PGP fingerprint 952B0A9F12C2FD6C9F7E68DAA9C2EA89D1A370E0
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnsjfjpk.gjj.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #218742 |
On 2021-09-07, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 06:45:24 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: >> >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>> On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 13:46:08 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>> It seems like the software industry is trying to move the world into >>>> the chromebook model, why I don't really understand. >>> >>> Chromebooks probably target the casual user doing Facebook, Twitter, some >>> chat (text, audio, video), email or some games. And removes the virus >>> thread known on Windows computers. Unless an app is bugged of course. >> >> Schools use them a lot, too. All the apps and data are in Google Docs. > > For the casual user I don't see anything wrong with that. > > But if you have confidential documents or deal with other sensitive data, > Cloud Computing (and so the use of a Chromebook) is a bad idea. > > Anyway, they are cheap. And if you want, install Linux on them. > My next project. Is it hard?
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 00:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sh6suh$pe1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #218702 |
On 9/6/2021 12:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > You are not constrained to use the keyboard attached to the laptop you > know. I haven't touched the keyboard on the one my employer issued me > in well over a year. You also aren't constrained to use the built-in > display. > Of course. But once you've replaced the pointing device, keyboard, and display with decent ones, why would you want to be stuck with a computer that has cooling issues and is difficult to economically upgrade or repair? Unless it's on your employer's dime, of course. I do use an old Win 7 netbook (now running Linux) as an always-on server (with a proper keyboard/mouse/display). It's requirements aren't great, though (mostly just sit there and listen for the rare times that anyone wants to talk to it), and the low-power aspect is nice.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2021-09-06 09:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210906090426.eed64e044f41d10e2df5bbe4@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #218674 |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 17:29:32 -0400 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old > machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT > Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old > machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance > improvement. Works fine when the application is a kubernetes administered swarm of docker images running on virtual machines connected by virtual networks and using data on big SANs running NVMe over fabric with only hypervisors running directly on the hardware. That kind of architecture just loves running on lots and lots and lots of cores that don't need to be too fruity as long as the concurrency is good. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2021-09-15 18:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210915180828.7465c0c5401684ee45cf2a99@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #218691 |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 09:04:26 +0100 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 17:29:32 -0400 > J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > > And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old > > machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the > > "IT Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 > > year old machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big > > performance improvement. > > Works fine when the application is a kubernetes administered > swarm of docker images running on virtual machines connected by > virtual networks and using data on big SANs running NVMe over fabric > with only hypervisors running directly on the hardware. > > That kind of architecture just loves running on lots and lots > and lots of cores that don't need to be too fruity as long as the > concurrency is good. > I'm so out of it I only recognise 'SAN' and 'virtual machine' -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-09-07 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6JPZI.75218$rl3.42420@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #218674 |
On 2021-09-05, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > And the end result is that for single-threaded code, a ten year old > machine is pretty much as good as a new one. Sad part is that the "IT > Professionals" don't know that and think that replacing a 3 year old > machine with a new one is still going to bring about a big performance > improvement. These are the people who partition that huge new hard drive into tiny chunks and wonder why the system falls over when they generate big files. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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