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  An Xmyth stack overflow ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-07 11:38 +0000
    Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-07 11:41 +0000
      Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-08 15:08 +0000
        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-10 17:52 +0000
          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-12-10 22:46 -0600
            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-12-11 01:47 -0400
              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-11 06:54 +0000
                Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-12-11 09:46 +0000
              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-11 18:13 +0000
                Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-12-11 11:29 -0800
                  Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-12 01:37 +0000
                    Re: IBM 1620 and its successors, not An Xmyth stack overflow ? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-12 02:22 +0000
                      Re: IBM 1620 and its successors, not An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 06:58 -0700
                        Re: 360/44, was IBM 1620 and its successors, not An Xmyth stack overflow ? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-12 19:16 +0000
                          Re: 360/44, was IBM 1620 and its successors, not An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 19:57 -0700
                    Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-11 21:44 -0500
                    Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-12-11 23:11 -0600
                      Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 06:58 -0700
                        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 09:43 -0500
                          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 10:31 -0500
                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-12 17:40 +0000
                              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-12 19:28 +0000
                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 13:12 -0500
                              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 13:28 -0500
                                Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 17:35 -0500
                                  Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 17:49 -0500
                                    Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 19:31 -0500
                                      Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 19:54 -0500
                                        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 20:08 -0500
                                          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 19:58 -0700
                                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 22:13 -0500
                                          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 23:07 -0500
                                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 23:28 -0500
                                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-14 19:13 +0000
                                        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-12 23:04 -0500
                                      Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 19:57 -0700
                                        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-13 16:23 +0000
                                          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-13 11:47 -0500
                                          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-13 19:18 +0000
                                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-13 15:11 -0700
                                              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2020-12-13 23:28 +0000
                                              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-13 23:23 +0000
                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-12-13 09:05 +0000
                          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 19:57 -0700
                            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-12-13 11:22 -0600
                    Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-12-12 01:55 -0400
            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-11 11:46 +0000
              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-11 17:22 -0700
                Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-12 02:24 +0000
                Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-12-12 10:16 +0000
        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-12-10 16:28 -0400
    Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-12-08 18:08 +0000
      Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-08 18:53 +0000
        Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-08 21:01 +0000
          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-08 22:28 +0000
            Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-09 01:12 +0000
              Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-09 11:43 +0000
          Re: An Xmyth stack overflow ? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-12-08 20:57 -0600

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#215459

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 10:31:57 -0500
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember the first PC displays were pretty poor resolution wise.
> If you wanted to really see things you went with the monochrome
> Hercules.  (Never saw one of those.)

	The first PC displays were either a high quality but long
persistence green screen attached to an MDA providing 80x25 text only or a
CGA adaptor which was *awful* low resolution graphics (even for the time)
and flickery.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#215463

On 2020-12-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 10:31:57 -0500
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I remember the first PC displays were pretty poor resolution wise.
>> If you wanted to really see things you went with the monochrome
>> Hercules.  (Never saw one of those.)
>
> 	The first PC displays were either a high quality but long
> persistence green screen attached to an MDA providing 80x25 text only or a
> CGA adaptor which was *awful* low resolution graphics (even for the time)
> and flickery.

Not to mention slow.  When a PPOE bought its first batch of
IBM PC clones, they all came with CGA because everyone wanted
pretty colours.  But they were so slow that when running a
word processor (the most common application) a good typist
(myself included) could stay a word ahead of the display.
We eventually replaced the CGAs in all the machines except
the one that needed graphics, with Hercules - which were
both razor-sharp and fast.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  "Some of you may die,
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  but it's a sacrifice
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  I'm willing to make."
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)

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#215460

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 10:31:57 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 06:58:19 -0700, Peter Flass
>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/11/2020 7:37 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-12-11, Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 12:13:39 PM UTC-6, John Levine wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike Spencer  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think my Osborne I was more powerful than the IBM 1620. (Serious
>>>>>>>> tecnology wonks may correct me.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No doubt. The IBM 1620 was known as CADET for Can't Add, Doesn't Even
>>>>>>> Try. It was a decimal serial machine and did all arithmetic by table
>>>>>>> lookup. Each instruction took 100us or more. Nonetheless, it was
>>>>>>> reliable and fast enough that it was used as part of the IBM 1710
>>>>>>> which was the first real time process control system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The above reply applies to the  IBM 1620 Model I  (one).
>>>>>> The word  "CADET"  was the code name before the first delivery,  it was
>>>>>> just a code word;  almost all IBM hardware had a code name assigned to it
>>>>>> during design/production before the first delivery.   They were just names.
>>>>>> The  model II  (two)  didn't use lookup tables except for multiplication.
>>>>>> Model III was about to go into production,  but was cancelled because of
>>>>>> the upcoming IBM 360,  and IBM didn't want anything to compete with the
>>>>>> 360,  even other IBM computers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds familiar, like the way the original IBM Personal Computer
>>>>> was crippled so as not to compete with the Displaywriter.
>>>>> 
>>>> It's a different market. While you could get CP/M-86 and UCSD p-System 
>>>> for the D'wr (pre-IBM PC), I think it had a 1MHz CPU and CP/M-86 at 
>>>> least was very sluggish compared to a 4MHz Osborne O-1. But our D'wrs 
>>>> had more RAM and could run a bigger SuperCalc spreadsheet 
>>>> (sluggishly).  When we did that, the challenge was making the printer 
>>>> work. IBM did its classic routine, being unfailingly polite and 
>>>> switching me from one person who couldn't tell me what the control 
>>>> codes were to another until I gave up and did it by trial and error.
>>>> 
>>>> IBM later sold "Displaywrite" softwere for the PC that emulated a lot 
>>>> of the software features.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>The display on the Displaywriter was high-quality. Going from a real
>>>Displaywriter to Displaywrite on a PC was a big step backwards for anyone
>>>who did a lot of word processing.
>>
>> What was "high quality" about the monitor?  I did hear a lot of
>> kvetching about the PC display back then but generally the people
>> kvetching got the color display instead of the green screen.
>
>Bitsavers says there were 2 displays available, 80x25 and 64x100,
>both monochrome.
>
>I don't see the resolution, but the screen shots on the 80x25 look
>pretty clear, at least as good as the PC/3270.  I think 64x100 would
>out-do most PCs for a while.  By the time I saw my first PC/3270 it was
>full color, better than the DisplayWriter.
>
>I remember the first PC displays were pretty poor resolution wise.
>If you wanted to really see things you went with the monochrome
>Hercules.  (Never saw one of those.)

If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
crippled.  The IBM CGA had graphics capability but not a lot of
resolution.  The IBM "Black and White" (actually dark gray and green)
display was for the day very sharp but had no graphics capability.
What Hercules brought to the table was graphics on the black and white
display.

I've never actually used a machine with the CGA except where it had a
black and white as well.  

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#215461

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
> crippled.

Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#215464

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>> crippled.
>
>Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.

I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
habits is a lost cause.

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#215465

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>> crippled.
>>
>>Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>
> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
> habits is a lost cause.

Yep, just turned 75.
It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.

I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
have that going for me.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#215466

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:49:29 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>>> crippled.
>>>
>>>Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>>
>> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
>> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
>> habits is a lost cause.
>
>Yep, just turned 75.
>It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
>etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
>dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.
>
>I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
>have that going for me.

Another habit to workon.  I have the physique of a potato.  The thing
that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
Takes me many repetitions to get down things like "trailer record"
(data sciency term for a checksum apparently--why can't they just call
it that).  I know what it is, I have no trouble writing the code to
produce it, but I can't remember the damned term when I'm talking to
somebody about it.

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#215467

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:49:29 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>>>> crippled.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>>>
>>> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
>>> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
>>> habits is a lost cause.
>>
>>Yep, just turned 75.
>>It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
>>etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
>>dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.
>>
>>I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
>>have that going for me.
>
> Another habit to workon.  I have the physique of a potato.  The thing
> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
> Takes me many repetitions to get down things like "trailer record"
> (data sciency term for a checksum apparently--why can't they just call
> it that).  I know what it is, I have no trouble writing the code to
> produce it, but I can't remember the damned term when I'm talking to
> somebody about it.

Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
I like to grow plants, I have 7/8ths of an acre to work with.
Plant names are really hard to pull out of memory.
I put in a Crepe Myrtle many years back and when it's flowering people ask
me what it is.  I must have told a dozen people I can't remember.
So, I think I finally have the Crepe Myrtle down, but I've thought
that before and had it just slip right out.

As for the potato, so many people struggle with that.
I had a _little_ extra weight on in my 40s and 60s, but
I'm back in good shape now.  It mainly takes self control
and determination.  Both are free.

I always felt weight training should be a required course.
Its something you can do that is proven to improve your health,
unlike "healthy eating", vitamins, and other fads.

Trailer records?  Those were the cards you punched with totals
to put behind the header records and detail records.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#215468

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
...
>> The thing
>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>
> Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.

Yes, replying to myself.

I'm just looking at Slashdot and I see a link to this:

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days

  Just a few doses of an experimental drug can reverse age-related
  declines in memory and mental flexibility in mice,


So, I already know how to keep myself in good physical shape, this pill
is going to keep the brain going...I might be haunting this newsgroup
for a long time.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#215473

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> ...
>>> The thing
>>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>> 
>> Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
> 
> Yes, replying to myself.
> 
> I'm just looking at Slashdot and I see a link to this:
> 
> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days
> 
>   Just a few doses of an experimental drug can reverse age-related
>   declines in memory and mental flexibility in mice,
> 
> 
> So, I already know how to keep myself in good physical shape, this pill
> is going to keep the brain going...I might be haunting this newsgroup
> for a long time.
> 
> 

I saw that too.i’m excited. The first time I read the article I got the
impression the drug was already approved for other things, so it would be
possible to get off-label access now. I re-read the article and it appears
I was mistaken.

Apparently this thing might REVERSE the effects of Alzheimers and Dementia
(not just slow progression) and help with TBI also. If so, I hope they
approve it soon, since these things are becoming very big problems for
society (assuming we all don’t die of COVID first).

-- 
Pete

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#215474

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> ...
>>>> The thing
>>>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>>> 
>>> Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
>> 
>> Yes, replying to myself.
>> 
>> I'm just looking at Slashdot and I see a link to this:
>> 
>> https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days
>> 
>>   Just a few doses of an experimental drug can reverse age-related
>>   declines in memory and mental flexibility in mice,
>> 
>> 
>> So, I already know how to keep myself in good physical shape, this pill
>> is going to keep the brain going...I might be haunting this newsgroup
>> for a long time.
>
> I saw that too.i’m excited. The first time I read the article I got the
> impression the drug was already approved for other things, so it would be
> possible to get off-label access now. I re-read the article and it appears
> I was mistaken.
>
> Apparently this thing might REVERSE the effects of Alzheimers and Dementia
> (not just slow progression) and help with TBI also. If so, I hope they
> approve it soon, since these things are becoming very big problems for
> society (assuming we all don’t die of COVID first).

I read the Slashdot discussion.  They think this is an organic
chemical with a known formula.  Anyone can get it.

Sure does sound like a wonder drug, we'll see.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#215476

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:08:06 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>...
>>> The thing
>>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>>
>> Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
>
>Yes, replying to myself.
>
>I'm just looking at Slashdot and I see a link to this:
>
>https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days
>
>  Just a few doses of an experimental drug can reverse age-related
>  declines in memory and mental flexibility in mice,
>
>
>So, I already know how to keep myself in good physical shape, this pill
>is going to keep the brain going...I might be haunting this newsgroup
>for a long time.

Man, I _want_ some of that stuff.  Corrects noise related hearing
loss?  I lost my highs in the '60s--fortunately my boss is an alto,
but some of the women I work with I just plain can't hear.

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#215477

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:08:06 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>...
>>>> The thing
>>>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
>>
>>Yes, replying to myself.
>>
>>I'm just looking at Slashdot and I see a link to this:
>>
>>https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days
>>
>>  Just a few doses of an experimental drug can reverse age-related
>>  declines in memory and mental flexibility in mice,
>>
>>
>>So, I already know how to keep myself in good physical shape, this pill
>>is going to keep the brain going...I might be haunting this newsgroup
>>for a long time.
>
> Man, I _want_ some of that stuff.  Corrects noise related hearing
> loss?  I lost my highs in the '60s--fortunately my boss is an alto,
> but some of the women I work with I just plain can't hear.

Same here.
Got those hearing aids that fit entirely in the ear.
Still have problems hearing some women.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#215489

On 2020-12-13, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:08:06 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>...
>>>> The thing
>>>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
>>
>>Yes, replying to myself.
>>
>>I'm just looking at Slashdot and I see a link to this:
>>
>>https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days
>>
>>  Just a few doses of an experimental drug can reverse age-related
>>  declines in memory and mental flexibility in mice,
>>
>>
>>So, I already know how to keep myself in good physical shape, this pill
>>is going to keep the brain going...I might be haunting this newsgroup
>>for a long time.
>
> Man, I _want_ some of that stuff.  Corrects noise related hearing
> loss?  I lost my highs in the '60s--fortunately my boss is an alto,
> but some of the women I work with I just plain can't hear.
>
>
 Very diplomatic!


-- 
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#215475

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 19:54:38 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:49:29 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>>>>> crippled.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>>>>
>>>> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
>>>> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
>>>> habits is a lost cause.
>>>
>>>Yep, just turned 75.
>>>It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
>>>etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
>>>dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.
>>>
>>>I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
>>>have that going for me.
>>
>> Another habit to workon.  I have the physique of a potato.  The thing
>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>> Takes me many repetitions to get down things like "trailer record"
>> (data sciency term for a checksum apparently--why can't they just call
>> it that).  I know what it is, I have no trouble writing the code to
>> produce it, but I can't remember the damned term when I'm talking to
>> somebody about it.
>
>Oh yes, I definitely struggle with that.
>I like to grow plants, I have 7/8ths of an acre to work with.
>Plant names are really hard to pull out of memory.
>I put in a Crepe Myrtle many years back and when it's flowering people ask
>me what it is.  I must have told a dozen people I can't remember.
>So, I think I finally have the Crepe Myrtle down, but I've thought
>that before and had it just slip right out.
>
>As for the potato, so many people struggle with that.
>I had a _little_ extra weight on in my 40s and 60s, but
>I'm back in good shape now.  It mainly takes self control
>and determination.  Both are free.
>
>I always felt weight training should be a required course.
>Its something you can do that is proven to improve your health,
>unlike "healthy eating", vitamins, and other fads.
>
>Trailer records?  Those were the cards you punched with totals
>to put behind the header records and detail records.

Yeah, pretty much.  They're asking for a record count and sums on a a
couple of fields.  I get to pick the fields.  Of course to do this I
have to modify a program that somebody wrote in C transliterated from
spaghetti Fortran (yes, you really _can_ write Fortran in any
language).

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#215472

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:49:29 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>>>> crippled.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>>> 
>>> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
>>> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
>>> habits is a lost cause.
>> 
>> Yep, just turned 75.
>> It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
>> etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
>> dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.
>> 
>> I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
>> have that going for me.
> 
> Another habit to workon.  I have the physique of a potato.  The thing
> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
> Takes me many repetitions to get down things like "trailer record"
> (data sciency term for a checksum apparently--why can't they just call
> it that).  I know what it is, I have no trouble writing the code to
> produce it, but I can't remember the damned term when I'm talking to
> somebody about it.
> 

And here I thought I was the only one. I need to get out more.

-- 
Pete

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#215481

On 2020-12-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:49:29 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>>>>> crippled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>>>> 
>>>> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
>>>> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
>>>> habits is a lost cause.
>>> 
>>> Yep, just turned 75.
>>> It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
>>> etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
>>> dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.
>>> 
>>> I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
>>> have that going for me.
>> 
>> Another habit to workon.  I have the physique of a potato.  The thing
>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>> Takes me many repetitions to get down things like "trailer record"
>> (data sciency term for a checksum apparently--why can't they just call
>> it that).  I know what it is, I have no trouble writing the code to
>> produce it, but I can't remember the damned term when I'm talking to
>> somebody about it.
>
> And here I thought I was the only one. I need to get out more.

+1 - and I'm only 70.  But my wife and I try to keep active, both
by walking and cycling (we rode 18 km yesterday, although that is
exceptional).  I find that cycling is good for what's left of my knees.

I occasionally blank on things myself, although I do enough things
(flying, music, programming) that exercise my brain, so I'm not too
worried.  I can pass the hearing portion of my medical exam, but
I have trouble picking a voice out of background noise, or hearing
someone two rooms away.  If only people wouldn't _mumble_!

BTW I'm the one who made the original crack about the IBM Personal
Computer being crippled (8088, 640K barrier, crappy serial port
support, etc.).  In 1985 I was programming on a 6-MHZ Z80 box
running TurboDOS - it ran rings around an IBM PC (although
memory was tight).

-- 
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\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  but it's a sacrifice
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  I'm willing to make."
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)

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#215482

On 13 Dec 2020 16:23:54 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2020-12-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:49:29 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:28:03 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If that was your experience I can understand why you thought PCs were
>>>>>>> crippled.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, I did butt into this thread but it wasn't me making that claim.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should pay more attention to attributions.  I should pay more
>>>>> attention to a lot of things, but I'm reaching an age where changing
>>>>> habits is a lost cause.
>>>> 
>>>> Yep, just turned 75.
>>>> It's embarrassing the number of things I forget, get wrong, can't find,
>>>> etc.  I installed a new garage door opener a few days ago.  I kept
>>>> dropping parts and then I couldn't find them.  A 2 hour job that took me 4.
>>>> 
>>>> I lift weights and still have the physique of a youngster so I still
>>>> have that going for me.
>>> 
>>> Another habit to workon.  I have the physique of a potato.  The thing
>>> that's annoying me is that I am starting to go blank on nomenclature.
>>> Takes me many repetitions to get down things like "trailer record"
>>> (data sciency term for a checksum apparently--why can't they just call
>>> it that).  I know what it is, I have no trouble writing the code to
>>> produce it, but I can't remember the damned term when I'm talking to
>>> somebody about it.
>>
>> And here I thought I was the only one. I need to get out more.
>
>+1 - and I'm only 70.  But my wife and I try to keep active, both
>by walking and cycling (we rode 18 km yesterday, although that is
>exceptional).  I find that cycling is good for what's left of my knees.
>
>I occasionally blank on things myself, although I do enough things
>(flying, music, programming) that exercise my brain, so I'm not too
>worried.  I can pass the hearing portion of my medical exam, but
>I have trouble picking a voice out of background noise, or hearing
>someone two rooms away.  If only people wouldn't _mumble_!
>
>BTW I'm the one who made the original crack about the IBM Personal
>Computer being crippled (8088, 640K barrier, crappy serial port
>support, etc.).  In 1985 I was programming on a 6-MHZ Z80 box
>running TurboDOS - it ran rings around an IBM PC (although
>memory was tight).

I found that it depended on what you were doing.  Wordstar on the PC
simply did not work, not because of anything inherent in the PC but
because the developers didn't do a proper port.  Word, Multimate, etc
all worked much better.  

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#215484

On 13 Dec 2020 16:23:54 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> BTW I'm the one who made the original crack about the IBM Personal
> Computer being crippled (8088, 640K barrier, crappy serial port
> support, etc.).  In 1985 I was programming on a 6-MHZ Z80 box
> running TurboDOS - it ran rings around an IBM PC (although
> memory was tight).

	About the same time I was running database applications on a 6MHz
Z80 box with 256K of bank switched memory. I had the CP/M port of MDBS-III
running in one TPA with a tiny application that just pulled parameters from
the shared space and put results back up there while the real application
ran in another TPA. It outperformed the MS-DOS version running on a PC by
quite a bit (we benchmarked it when they tried to sell us on switching to
PCs - we weren't interested in single user systems and neither were our
customers).

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C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#215485

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2020 16:23:54 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> BTW I'm the one who made the original crack about the IBM Personal
>> Computer being crippled (8088, 640K barrier, crappy serial port
>> support, etc.).  In 1985 I was programming on a 6-MHZ Z80 box
>> running TurboDOS - it ran rings around an IBM PC (although
>> memory was tight).
> 
> 	About the same time I was running database applications on a 6MHz
> Z80 box with 256K of bank switched memory. I had the CP/M port of MDBS-III
> running in one TPA with a tiny application that just pulled parameters from
> the shared space and put results back up there while the real application
> ran in another TPA. It outperformed the MS-DOS version running on a PC by
> quite a bit (we benchmarked it when they tried to sell us on switching to
> PCs - we weren't interested in single user systems and neither were our
> customers).
> 

TPA??

-- 
Pete

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