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  A naked PDP11 gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 13:11 +0100
    Re: A naked PDP11 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-16 15:06 +0000
      Re: A naked PDP11 JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 11:28 -0500
      Re: A naked PDP11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
    Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-16 16:24 +0000
      Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 13:49 -0400
        Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 22:20 +0100
        Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-16 20:29 -0400
        Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-17 01:01 +0000
          Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 21:56 -0400
      Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 11:12 -0700
      Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-09-17 04:15 +0000
        Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-17 08:14 +0100
        Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-17 11:29 -0700
          Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 13:49 -0500
          Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-18 11:48 -0700
            Re: A naked PDP11 and not much new since J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 17:08 -0400
    Re: A naked PDP11 Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-16 20:18 -0400
      Re: A naked PDP11 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-17 07:11 +0100
        Re: A naked PDP11 Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-17 11:26 -0400
        Re: A naked PDP11 Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2020-09-17 23:32 -0400
          Re: A naked PDP11 JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 10:04 -0500
            Re: A naked PDP11 maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-18 16:44 +0000
            OT: sawing machines Re: A naked PDP11 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 11:22 -0700
              Re: OT: sawing machines Re: A naked PDP11 JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 15:37 -0500
            Re: A naked PDP11 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-19 02:24 -0300
          Re: A naked PDP11 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-18 11:49 -0700
          Re: A naked PDP11 David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-10-06 00:21 +0000
            Re: A naked PDP11 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-06 10:27 -0700
              Re: A naked PDP11 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-10-06 17:45 +0000
                Re: A naked PDP11 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-07 15:48 -0700
                  Re: A naked PDP11 Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-08 08:23 +0000
            Re: A naked PDP11 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-07 15:45 -0700
      Re: A naked PDP11 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-18 11:39 -0700
        Re: A naked PDP11 JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 15:41 -0500
        Re: A naked PDP11 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 17:12 -0400
          Re: A naked PDP11 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-18 22:41 +0100
          Re: A naked PDP11 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 16:43 -0700
          Re: A naked PDP11 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-19 11:50 -0700
            Re: A naked PDP11 maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-19 19:06 +0000
            Re: A naked PDP11 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 15:30 -0400
            Re: A naked PDP11 JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 10:47 -0500
      Re: A naked PDP11 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-18 11:41 -0700
    Re: A naked PDP11 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 10:07 -0700
      Re: A naked PDP11 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-22 15:39 -0700

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#214365

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:11:14 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> 	Take a recent cellphone, throw a handful of movies on it (include
> some Pixar animations) throw a 50" flatscreen smart TV in the back of your
> DeLorean and head off to 1985 and see if *they* think technology has made
> big leaps. Then tell them how much international bandwidth that phone
> represents in 2020 and watch them cry over their 2400bps modem that is so
> troublesome.

When I was in the market for my first sewing machine, my mother told
me that straight-stitch or zig-zag didn't matter -- the important
thing was *having* a machine.

I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
years, I had an epiphany:  

I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
machine and a needle.  And the tiny difference between straight stitch
and zig-zag is huge compared to the difference between a zig-zag
machine and the very latest and most-expensive computerized machine.

And it goes back all the way.  The sewing machine isn't as big an
improvement over the steel needle as the steel needle was over poking
a hole in a splinter of bone.  And that difference is small compared
to the idea of putting an eye in the needle instead of poking holes
with an awl and lacing hides together.  Then compare that advance to
the idea of wearing clothes!

Ever since Og learned that you could twist fibers together to make
string and a later Og figured out how to make fire, it's been
refinements all the way.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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#214371

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:32:20 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:11:14 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
><steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> 	Take a recent cellphone, throw a handful of movies on it (include
>> some Pixar animations) throw a 50" flatscreen smart TV in the back of your
>> DeLorean and head off to 1985 and see if *they* think technology has made
>> big leaps. Then tell them how much international bandwidth that phone
>> represents in 2020 and watch them cry over their 2400bps modem that is so
>> troublesome.
>
>When I was in the market for my first sewing machine, my mother told
>me that straight-stitch or zig-zag didn't matter -- the important
>thing was *having* a machine.
>
>I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
>years, I had an epiphany:  
>
>I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
>work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
>difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
>isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
>machine and a needle.  And the tiny difference between straight stitch
>and zig-zag is huge compared to the difference between a zig-zag
>machine and the very latest and most-expensive computerized machine.

My great grandmother had a foot treadle machine. Grandpa modified it,
after she died, by adding a small motor. I tried using it when it was
food powered. My grandmother made clothes with it.

-- 
Jim

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#214372

On 2020-09-18, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:32:20 -0400, Joy Beeson
><jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:11:14 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>><steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 	Take a recent cellphone, throw a handful of movies on it (include
>>> some Pixar animations) throw a 50" flatscreen smart TV in the back of your
>>> DeLorean and head off to 1985 and see if *they* think technology has made
>>> big leaps. Then tell them how much international bandwidth that phone
>>> represents in 2020 and watch them cry over their 2400bps modem that is so
>>> troublesome.
>>
>
> My great grandmother had a foot treadle machine. Grandpa modified it,
> after she died, by adding a small motor. I tried using it when it was
> food powered. My grandmother made clothes with it.
>
> As did my Mother, a real Singer, with which she made a lot of clothes
> during the war (II) when clothes were scarce. My sister had the machine now, amid 
> rows as to who owns it. Treadle. I had a lathe that had been powered 
> bu a treadle, then a small motor installed, which I used to do some
> work at home. A dangerous machine, One had to remember to keep hair
> short, shirts buttoned, and avoid brass.
>

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#214376 — OT: sawing machines Re: A naked PDP11

JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:32:20 -0400, Joy Beeson
> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:11:14 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Take a recent cellphone, throw a handful of movies on it (include
>>> some Pixar animations) throw a 50" flatscreen smart TV in the back of your
>>> DeLorean and head off to 1985 and see if *they* think technology has made
>>> big leaps. Then tell them how much international bandwidth that phone
>>> represents in 2020 and watch them cry over their 2400bps modem that is so
>>> troublesome.
>> 
>> When I was in the market for my first sewing machine, my mother told
>> me that straight-stitch or zig-zag didn't matter -- the important
>> thing was *having* a machine.
>> 
>> I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
>> years, I had an epiphany:  
>> 
>> I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
>> work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
>> difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
>> isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
>> machine and a needle.  And the tiny difference between straight stitch
>> and zig-zag is huge compared to the difference between a zig-zag
>> machine and the very latest and most-expensive computerized machine.
> 
> My great grandmother had a foot treadle machine. Grandpa modified it,
> after she died, by adding a small motor. I tried using it when it was
> food powered. My grandmother made clothes with it.
> 

I assume the original post went to the wrong NG. I haven’t seen Joy here in
quite a while. My mother had a treadle machine, it seems like it was easier
to do some things slowly and incrementally .


-- 
Pete

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#214388 — Re: OT: sawing machines Re: A naked PDP11

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:22:42 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:32:20 -0400, Joy Beeson
>> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:11:14 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Take a recent cellphone, throw a handful of movies on it (include
>>>> some Pixar animations) throw a 50" flatscreen smart TV in the back of your
>>>> DeLorean and head off to 1985 and see if *they* think technology has made
>>>> big leaps. Then tell them how much international bandwidth that phone
>>>> represents in 2020 and watch them cry over their 2400bps modem that is so
>>>> troublesome.
>>> 
>>> When I was in the market for my first sewing machine, my mother told
>>> me that straight-stitch or zig-zag didn't matter -- the important
>>> thing was *having* a machine.
>>> 
>>> I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
>>> years, I had an epiphany:  
>>> 
>>> I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
>>> work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
>>> difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
>>> isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
>>> machine and a needle.  And the tiny difference between straight stitch
>>> and zig-zag is huge compared to the difference between a zig-zag
>>> machine and the very latest and most-expensive computerized machine.
>> 
>> My great grandmother had a foot treadle machine. Grandpa modified it,
>> after she died, by adding a small motor. I tried using it when it was
>> food powered. My grandmother made clothes with it.
>> 
>
>I assume the original post went to the wrong NG. I haven’t seen Joy here in
>quite a while. My mother had a treadle machine, it seems like it was easier
>to do some things slowly and incrementally .

Should have been foot powered, but yes, my grandmother mentioned it
was good for putting lace on women's collars. They felt a regular
sewing machine with motor wouldn't work right for lace.

-- 
Jim

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#214403

JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:

> My great grandmother had a foot treadle machine. Grandpa modified it,
> after she died, by adding a small motor. I tried using it when it was
> food powered. My grandmother made clothes with it.

In 1965, I lived on the back side of Beacon Hill in Boston.  One
night, quite late, I was walking home and encountered a Singer treadle
machine put out on the sidewalk for the junk collector.  I pushed it
two blocks home.

Beacon Hill sidewalks are brick and the machine has ca. 1-1/4"
diameter iron wheels so it was something of a chore.  Happily, we
lived on the ground floor so it was only a modest struggle to get it
inside.

We still have it and it works fine.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#214380

On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:32:24 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:

> When I was in the market for my first sewing machine, my mother told
> me that straight-stitch or zig-zag didn't matter -- the important
> thing was *having* a machine.

FWIW, Singer bought Friden which made office automation
products and some computers.

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#214688

Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:


>I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
>years, I had an epiphany:  

>I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
>work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
>difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
>isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
>machine and a needle.  

FDR brought us REA, and power {and don't forget, phones...} to the
farms. It was a major victory over the tyranny of sundown. You could
read and do many other things after sunset.


-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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#214695

David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
> Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
> 
> 
>> I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
>> years, I had an epiphany:  
> 
>> I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
>> work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
>> difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
>> isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
>> machine and a needle.  
> 
> FDR brought us REA, and power {and don't forget, phones...} to the
> farms. It was a major victory over the tyranny of sundown. You could
> read and do many other things after sunset.
> 
> 

I think the birth rate dropped precipitously a year or so after.

-- 
Pete

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#214696

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
>> Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>> 
>> 
>>> I chose a zig-zag machine, and when I'd been using it forty or fifty
>>> years, I had an epiphany:  
>> 
>>> I really can't get on without the zig-zag even though I do most of my
>>> work on an old White Family Rotary treadle machine -- but the
>>> difference between a zig-zag machine and a straight-stitch machine
>>> isn't one tenth of one percent of the difference between a sewing
>>> machine and a needle.  
>> 
>> FDR brought us REA, and power {and don't forget, phones...} to the
>> farms. It was a major victory over the tyranny of sundown. You could
>> read and do many other things after sunset.
>> 
>> 
>
>I think the birth rate dropped precipitously a year or so after.

It dropped precipitously from 1956 to 1977 and has remained flat
since.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/birth-rate

Google led me to the CDC annual "Vital Statistics of the United States"
reports, I downloaded the 1939 edition which is fascinating reading.

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#214703

On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:46:01 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes: 
> >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote: 

> >> FDR brought us REA, and power {and don't forget, phones...} to the 
> >> farms. It was a major victory over the tyranny of sundown. You could 
> >> read and do many other things after sunset. 

> >I think the birth rate dropped precipitously a year or so after.

> It dropped precipitously from 1956 to 1977 and has remained flat 
> since. 

Spoiling a good joke with statistics!

Interesting, though, that the Internet had no value as a distraction in this regard.

John Savard

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#214704

On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:48:24 -0700, Quadibloc wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:46:01 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> >David Lesher <wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
> 
>> >> FDR brought us REA, and power {and don't forget, phones...} to the
>> >> farms. It was a major victory over the tyranny of sundown. You could
>> >> read and do many other things after sunset.
> 
>> >I think the birth rate dropped precipitously a year or so after.
> 
>> It dropped precipitously from 1956 to 1977 and has remained flat since.
> 
> Spoiling a good joke with statistics!
> 
> Interesting, though, that the Internet had no value as a distraction in
> this regard.

Ah, but perhaps it provided an easier way of getting contraceptives.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#214702

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 6:22:01 PM UTC-6, David Lesher wrote:

> A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com 
> & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... 
> Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 
> is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

Of course, you need to be of a certain age to get the point of that .sig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GAbc5uQXJo

John Savard

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#214377

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:19:32 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> Had a similar feeling about Back To The Future. It was set (and on the
> big screen for the first part) in 1985. Then they went back 30 years to
> 1955. 2015 marked the 15th anniversary. 1985 doesn't felt so different to
> 2015 regarding existing 1985 technology. But technology made a big leap
> between 1955 and 1985.

That aired recently.  Yes, the world was very different
from 1955 to 1985.  Radically so.  Not just technology,
but social norms as well.

Sociologists wrote books about life in the past.  In some
ways people were nicer more respectful of others.  Certainly
less crime.  But in other ways, it was kind of oppressive.
There was a clique of self-anointed moralists who rode
herd over everyone else.  Going to church was mandatory
as were certain other behaviors.  Failure to comply and
you'd lose your friends, even your job or business.

In some small towns, education was lousy at the high school
level.  Most kids dropped out.  Girls got pregnant early
and got married.  Guys got a job at the factory or were
drafted.

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#214390

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:39:09 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:19:32 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> Had a similar feeling about Back To The Future. It was set (and on the
>> big screen for the first part) in 1985. Then they went back 30 years to
>> 1955. 2015 marked the 15th anniversary. 1985 doesn't felt so different to
>> 2015 regarding existing 1985 technology. But technology made a big leap
>> between 1955 and 1985.
>
>That aired recently.  Yes, the world was very different
>from 1955 to 1985.  Radically so.  Not just technology,
>but social norms as well.
>
>Sociologists wrote books about life in the past.  In some
>ways people were nicer more respectful of others.  Certainly
>less crime.  But in other ways, it was kind of oppressive.
>There was a clique of self-anointed moralists who rode
>herd over everyone else.  Going to church was mandatory
>as were certain other behaviors.  Failure to comply and
>you'd lose your friends, even your job or business.
>
>In some small towns, education was lousy at the high school
>level.  Most kids dropped out.  Girls got pregnant early
>and got married.  Guys got a job at the factory or were
>drafted.

Well, there were still lynchings going on when I was a kid. And if you
lived on the poor side of town, which we did, you couldn't defend
yourself from the rich folks' kids who made fun of all us poor kids at
school.

My grandmother told me of several elderly women who gossipped about
everyone in town. Upset them, and they would lie and get you in
trouble. I found out years later, one was a relative.

-- 
Jim

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#214396

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:39:09 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:19:32 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> Had a similar feeling about Back To The Future. It was set (and on the
>> big screen for the first part) in 1985. Then they went back 30 years to
>> 1955. 2015 marked the 15th anniversary. 1985 doesn't felt so different to
>> 2015 regarding existing 1985 technology. But technology made a big leap
>> between 1955 and 1985.
>
>That aired recently.  Yes, the world was very different
>from 1955 to 1985.  Radically so.  Not just technology,
>but social norms as well.
>
>Sociologists wrote books about life in the past.  In some
>ways people were nicer more respectful of others.  Certainly
>less crime.  But in other ways, it was kind of oppressive.
>There was a clique of self-anointed moralists who rode
>herd over everyone else.

Still are, only now church isn't necessarily involved.

>Going to church was mandatory
>as were certain other behaviors.  Failure to comply and
>you'd lose your friends, even your job or business.

Still happens.  Fellow I used to work for was upset because his wife
had gotten the people at church mad at him.  I never understood why he
_cared_.

>In some small towns, education was lousy at the high school
>level.  Most kids dropped out.  Girls got pregnant early
>and got married.  Guys got a job at the factory or were
>drafted.

Now girls get pregnant early and don't get married and guys sell
drugs.

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#214397

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:12:31 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now girls get pregnant early and don't get married and guys sell
> drugs.

	One reason girls plan on getting pregnant early round here is to
get bumped up the council housing list and as a single parent they get
social welfare without being expected to be looking for work.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#214399

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:39:09 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 8:19:32 PM UTC-4, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> Had a similar feeling about Back To The Future. It was set (and on the
>>> big screen for the first part) in 1985. Then they went back 30 years to
>>> 1955. 2015 marked the 15th anniversary. 1985 doesn't felt so different to
>>> 2015 regarding existing 1985 technology. But technology made a big leap
>>> between 1955 and 1985.
>> 
>> That aired recently.  Yes, the world was very different
>> from 1955 to 1985.  Radically so.  Not just technology,
>> but social norms as well.
>> 
>> Sociologists wrote books about life in the past.  In some
>> ways people were nicer more respectful of others.  Certainly
>> less crime.  But in other ways, it was kind of oppressive.
>> There was a clique of self-anointed moralists who rode
>> herd over everyone else.
> 
> Still are, only now church isn't necessarily involved.
> 
>> Going to church was mandatory
>> as were certain other behaviors.  Failure to comply and
>> you'd lose your friends, even your job or business.
> 
> Still happens.  Fellow I used to work for was upset because his wife
> had gotten the people at church mad at him.  I never understood why he
> _cared_.
> 
>> In some small towns, education was lousy at the high school
>> level.  Most kids dropped out.  Girls got pregnant early
>> and got married.  Guys got a job at the factory or were
>> drafted.
> 
> Now girls get pregnant early and don't get married and guys sell
> drugs.
> 

No factories anymore, and no draft.

-- 
Pete

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#214414

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 5:12:35 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:

> Now girls get pregnant early and don't get married and guys sell
> drugs.

And Hollywood brags about it.  Well, maybe an actress can
afford to be a single mom, but it ain't so easy for
an everyday girl.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/entertainment/emma-roberts-pregnant-baby-boy-intl-scli/index.html

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#214416

On 2020-09-19, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 5:12:35 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Now girls get pregnant early and don't get married and guys sell
>> drugs.
>
> And Hollywood brags about it.  Well, maybe an actress can
> afford to be a single mom, but it ain't so easy for
> an everyday girl.a
>
>
 Why  I hated madonna.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/entertainment/emma-roberts-pregnant-baby-boy-intl-scli/index.html
>
 I see girls locally that are third geneation 'buggy pushers'. 
 Whether it is the internet (porn and games), but a lot of young 
 men are not interested in getting married, and worldwide, there
 a lot of them stil at home after 40. Maybe a splitting of the
 sexes?... It seems to have started in Japan.

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