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  OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-13 11:09 +0100
    Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-09-18 10:14 +0000
      Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 06:29 -0400
        Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-18 16:53 +0000
          Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-18 15:26 -0500
            Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 15:50 -0500
          Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-19 11:47 +0000
            Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-09-19 19:03 +0200
              Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 13:10 -0500
                Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-19 19:01 +0000
                  Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-20 07:26 -0400
                    Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-20 18:02 +0000
                      Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-09-20 20:20 +0200
                Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-19 12:34 -0700
      Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2020-09-18 23:59 -0400
        Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 00:27 -0400
        Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-19 06:36 +0000
          Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-09-20 10:05 +0000
    Re: OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-) Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-09-19 11:04 -0700

#214208 — OT : Pencil Tutorial ! :-)

H  Hard

B Black

4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.

4B = A tar brush for painting the fence

HB = A schizoid compromise  :-)

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#214368

On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.

I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so 
old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money 
for it.

Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a 
T-square, and a set of triangles again.

-- 
JE

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#214369

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
<jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>
>> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>
>I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so 
>old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money 
>for it.
>
>Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a 
>T-square, and a set of triangles again.

If you have the room, go for it.  Everything you need can be had from
Dick Blick for under 150 bucks. 

I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
that a pencil wouldn't scratch it.  I don't remember though whether it
what H number the spec called for.  I suspect the coating is still in
use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
standard?

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#214374

On 2020-09-18, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
><jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>>
>>> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>>
>>I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so 
>>old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money 
>>for it.
>>
>>Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a 
>>T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>
> If you have the room, go for it.  Everything you need can be had from
> Dick Blick for under 150 bucks. 
>
>
> Don't. I am at an age when I have buried many friends and executed
> their estates. one of them I used to call on every week, and when it
> was coming to the end, 'friends' used call and remove stuff like that.
> He had a small anvil I used to love, but it was taken like that.
>
> Stuff like that was easly sold at Sunday Markets. I burned boxes of
> photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife died, I stopped taking
> photos. 
>
> I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
> that a pencil wouldn't scratch it.  I don't remember though whether it
> what H number the spec called for.  I suspect the coating is still in
> use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
> spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
> standard?

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#214387

Seeing maus posts that are just quoted material, no maus content.

On 9/18/2020 11:53 AM, maus wrote:
> On 2020-09-18, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
>> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>>>
>>> I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so
>>> old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
>>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>>
>> If you have the room, go for it.  Everything you need can be had from
>> Dick Blick for under 150 bucks.
>>
>>
>> Don't. I am at an age when I have buried many friends and executed
>> their estates. one of them I used to call on every week, and when it
>> was coming to the end, 'friends' used call and remove stuff like that.
>> He had a small anvil I used to love, but it was taken like that.
>>
>> Stuff like that was easly sold at Sunday Markets. I burned boxes of
>> photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife died, I stopped taking
>> photos.
>>
>> I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
>> that a pencil wouldn't scratch it.  I don't remember though whether it
>> what H number the spec called for.  I suspect the coating is still in
>> use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
>> spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
>> standard?

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#214393

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:26:14 -0500, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>Seeing maus posts that are just quoted material, no maus content.

He is posting, but his newsreader is putting the '>' in front of his
text.

>On 9/18/2020 11:53 AM, maus wrote:
>> On 2020-09-18, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
>>> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:09:16 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
>>>>
>>>> I remember using a 4H pencil in drafting class in High School. I'm not so
>>>> old that CAD wasn't around. My school district just didn't have the money
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a
>>>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>>>
>>> If you have the room, go for it.  Everything you need can be had from
>>> Dick Blick for under 150 bucks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't. I am at an age when I have buried many friends and executed
>>> their estates. one of them I used to call on every week, and when it
>>> was coming to the end, 'friends' used call and remove stuff like that.
>>> He had a small anvil I used to love, but it was taken like that.
>>>
>>> Stuff like that was easly sold at Sunday Markets. I burned boxes of
>>> photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife died, I stopped taking
>>> photos.
>>>
>>> I remember a test for a coating on propeller blades involved verifying
>>> that a pencil wouldn't scratch it.  I don't remember though whether it
>>> what H number the spec called for.  I suspect the coating is still in
>>> use--it was really good stuff--but I wonder if they've updated the
>>> spec to account for Mexican-made pencils not adhering to the same
>>> standard?

-- 
Jim

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#214407

On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
(Quoting fixed)

> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
> died, I stopped taking photos.

For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.

I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#214408

On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
> (Quoting fixed)
> 
>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>> died, I stopped taking photos.
> 
> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
> 
> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.

I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site, 
and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask 
anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo 
shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#214410

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:03:53 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
>> (Quoting fixed)
>> 
>>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
>> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>> 
>> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
>> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
>
>I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site, 
>and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask 
>anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo 
>shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.

We found a photo in an old box from 1920 or so. We recognized three
people. My grandparents and the baby. My uncle. Nothing on the back
except 'our family'. I remember one woman from another later photo,
but not labelled either.

-- 
Jim

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#214415

On Sat, 2020-09-19, JimP wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:03:53 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
>>> (Quoting fixed)
>>> 
>>>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>>>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
>>> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
>>> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
>>
>>I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site, 
>>and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask 
>>anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo 
>>shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.
>
> We found a photo in an old box from 1920 or so. We recognized three
> people. My grandparents and the baby. My uncle. Nothing on the back
> except 'our family'. I remember one woman from another later photo,
> but not labelled either.

Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating.  I found one with a
middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
1920--1930s.  She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
as if it was a photo of me, in drag.

I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#214424

On 19 Sep 2020 19:01:57 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>
> Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating.  I found one with a
> middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
> 1920--1930s.  She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
> as if it was a photo of me, in drag.
>
> I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
> granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.

Tried to have Google Images to have a "look at"? It might find similar
images which have some information attached.
-- 
Andreas

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#214430

On Sun, 2020-09-20, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2020 19:01:57 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>
>> Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating.  I found one with a
>> middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
>> 1920--1930s.  She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
>> as if it was a photo of me, in drag.
>>
>> I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
>> granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.
>
> Tried to have Google Images to have a "look at"? It might find similar
> images which have some information attached.

No; I don't want to feed them any personal data.  But thanks for the tip!

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#214431

On 20/09/2020 20.02, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-09-20, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On 19 Sep 2020 19:01:57 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>>
>>> Unlabeled photos can be so frustrating.  I found one with a
>>> middle-aged woman in the kind of clothes poor women wore in the
>>> 1920--1930s.  She looked just like me, except for the clothes --
>>> as if it was a photo of me, in drag.
>>>
>>> I mailed a distant, older relative: he thought it could be my
>>> granddad's older sister Frida ... but noone will ever know.
>>
>> Tried to have Google Images to have a "look at"? It might find similar
>> images which have some information attached.
> 
> No; I don't want to feed them any personal data.  But thanks for the tip!


Or https://yandex.com/

I have used it to feed photos from people taken from my TV set to find 
out who they are. Works well.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#214419

JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:03:53 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 19/09/2020 13.47, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2020-09-18, maus wrote:
>>> (Quoting fixed)
>>> 
>>>> I burned boxes of photographs that nobody rmembers, After my wife
>>>> died, I stopped taking photos.
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, I've enjoyed my grandparents' old photos a lot.
>>> My cousins enjoy them too, because I scanned them and handed out CDs.
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine who would want /my/ photos, but you never know. The
>>> abovementioned albums laid unused for forty years.
>> 
>> I found photos of my father and his parents at a public historic site, 
>> and correctly labelled, and other old relatives that I can not ask 
>> anybody alive about. The site probably has photos from some city photo 
>> shop collected. I was glad to find that photo.
> 
> We found a photo in an old box from 1920 or so. We recognized three
> people. My grandparents and the baby. My uncle. Nothing on the back
> except 'our family'. I remember one woman from another later photo,
> but not labelled either.
> 

I guess these are lessons for us - label our photos.

-- 
Pete

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#214400

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
<jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:

> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a 
> T-square, and a set of triangles again.

I still have mine at the back of the hall closet.  I keep the largest
45-degree triangle in the laundry room in my bag of yardsticks and
rulers.

I should sort through the pocket of the drafting-board case and see
what other useful goodies I have.

For drawing curves, I nearly always use stuff I find in the kitchen:
plates, jar lids, pill bottles . . .

But I have been known to dig out the french curve.

(I never drafted; the drafting board was for cut-and-paste editing.)

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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#214401

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:59:59 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
><jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a 
>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>
>I still have mine at the back of the hall closet.  I keep the largest
>45-degree triangle in the laundry room in my bag of yardsticks and
>rulers.
>
>I should sort through the pocket of the drafting-board case and see
>what other useful goodies I have.
>
>For drawing curves, I nearly always use stuff I find in the kitchen:
>plates, jar lids, pill bottles . . .
>
>But I have been known to dig out the french curve.
>
>(I never drafted; the drafting board was for cut-and-paste editing.)

FWIW, the hard thing to find these days is a decent compass set.  Best
bet is to find a pre-CAD-era Dietzgen or K&E set off of ebay.  The
ones being made now will draw a circle but the workmanship on them is
kind of pitiful.  

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#214405

In article <jc0bmf5sabl9a3nladv1ovdu2l0ui7ac77@4ax.com>,
Joy Beeson  <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
><jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that I think about it, I would love to have a drafting table, a 
>> T-square, and a set of triangles again.
>
>I still have mine at the back of the hall closet.  I keep the largest
>45-degree triangle in the laundry room in my bag of yardsticks and
>rulers.
>
>I should sort through the pocket of the drafting-board case and see
>what other useful goodies I have.
>
>For drawing curves, I nearly always use stuff I find in the kitchen:
>plates, jar lids, pill bottles . . .
>
>But I have been known to dig out the french curve.
>
>(I never drafted; the drafting board was for cut-and-paste editing.)
>

Drafting class is what made me stop considering Engineering and switch
to Computer Science: They both had programming and I liked that, but I
couldn't draw a bolt in perspective to save me.
-- 
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#214422

On 19 Sep 2020 06:36:08 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

> Drafting class is what made me stop considering Engineering and switch
> to Computer Science: They both had programming and I liked that, but I
> couldn't draw a bolt in perspective to save me.

I really loved drafting and I seriously considered it as a future 
profession and maybe if I had CAD I would have done it. On paper though, 
I couldn't draw a curve to save my life and too many of my blueprints 
looked like something from MC Escher. I could never do better than a C in 
those classes no matter how hard I tried.


-- 
JE

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#214409

On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:09:28 AM UTC-5, gareth evans wrote:
> H  Hard
> 
> B Black
> 
> 4H = A chisel for doing metalwork.
> 
> 4B = A tar brush for painting the fence
> 
> HB = A schizoid compromise  :-)

I have a 9H.    Truly, worthy of any cold-steel chisel.
_________________________________________ Gerard Schildberger
  

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