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LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all?

Started bygareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
First post2020-09-14 10:57 +0100
Last post2020-11-18 10:18 -0800
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  LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 10:57 +0100
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-14 12:10 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 14:09 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-14 14:23 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-14 16:36 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-14 18:44 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2020-09-15 14:14 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? "Massimo M." <massimo79m@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:50 -0700
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 18:44 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 00:07 +0100
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-21 07:08 +0100
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? "Massimo M." <massimo79m@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 02:59 -0700
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 00:06 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-21 08:36 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 13:15 +0100
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-21 12:30 +0000
                  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-26 16:25 +0100
                    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-26 18:01 +0000
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-26 18:12 +0000
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-26 22:14 -0300
                    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-26 14:27 -0400
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-26 20:20 +0100
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-27 10:38 -0700
                        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 15:54 -0400
                    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-27 08:14 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-14 14:25 -0500
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 12:05 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:52 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-15 20:31 +0100
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-14 14:04 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 19:23 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-14 19:57 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-14 22:07 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-15 10:47 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 12:28 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-14 22:16 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-14 22:57 +0100
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-15 05:59 +0100
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 20:31 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-14 22:28 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 15:47 -0400
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 04:30 +0000
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 09:26 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 09:28 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-15 10:55 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 12:34 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-09-15 09:03 -0500
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 06:16 -0700
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 15:52 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-15 15:53 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 17:34 +0100
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-15 17:54 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 20:25 +0100
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 20:31 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-15 22:13 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 10:10 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-15 08:41 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 12:28 +0100
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 08:15 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 08:29 -0400
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 09:46 -0400
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 17:16 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 18:02 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 18:47 -0400
                  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 12:56 -0700
                    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-09-21 22:45 +0200
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-21 21:05 +0000
                        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-09-22 10:24 +0200
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 17:19 -0700
                        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-09-22 10:23 +0200
                          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 15:02 -0700
                    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:51 +0000
                      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 15:21 -0400
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-15 20:32 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-15 23:22 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-15 21:14 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 08:04 +0100
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
                  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-16 20:25 +0000
                    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 18:28 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-18 20:40 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2020-09-15 13:52 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2020-09-16 06:00 -0400
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 14:24 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-26 11:07 -0400
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-26 17:49 +0100
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-26 17:47 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-27 10:38 -0700
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-27 08:07 +0000
        Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-27 07:47 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 07:50 -0400
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 10:05 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 12:32 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 13:05 -0400
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-27 10:38 -0700
                  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-27 15:56 -0400
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-28 08:53 +0000
                Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-29 08:21 +0200
                  Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-29 08:13 +0000
          Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-27 22:29 +0000
            Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-28 08:56 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-28 16:35 +0000
              Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-10-07 18:14 +0000
    Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Kelli Halliburton <kelli217@gmail.com> - 2020-10-09 14:07 -0700
      Re: LINUX, Windows, MSDOS, CP/M; Bloatware all? Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> - 2020-11-18 10:18 -0800

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#214255

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-15 08:29 -0400
Message-ID<lrc1mftichflf60sblnpmg4lt4fp92t0oq@4ax.com>
In reply to#214254
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:15:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:
>
>> What's wrong with all those background processes?  Gotta keep all
>> those cores doing sumthin'.
>
>I was waiting for this thread to turn sensible.
>
>All this bull about "bloat" was getting boring.
>
>I'm running with 2GB Ram and barely put it all to use.  Just looked, if
>I wanted to add 4 GB that would be $18.99 US.
>
>Last time I looked at services running I didn't need, I quickly found I
>was wasting my time.  Most of them were barely using CPU or memory and
>they were performing useful functions.
>
>So, with my new RGB keyboard I started with a command line utility but
>started to find the command syntax challenging.  The same package
>(libratbag) comes with a GUI (piper).  Saved me a lot of time.
>
>I used to unload photos from my devices using my own command line tools.
>I got tired of typing long commands and folder names and wrote my own
>GUIto drive the process.  Now I'm down to the bare minimum of
>keystrokes for the process.

But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
supercomputer shop in the '70s.

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#214262

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-15 09:46 -0400
Message-ID<rjqgkh$m5i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#214255
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:15:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:
>>
>>> What's wrong with all those background processes?  Gotta keep all
>>> those cores doing sumthin'.
>>
>>I was waiting for this thread to turn sensible.
>>
>>All this bull about "bloat" was getting boring.
>>
>>I'm running with 2GB Ram and barely put it all to use.  Just looked, if
>>I wanted to add 4 GB that would be $18.99 US.
>>
>>Last time I looked at services running I didn't need, I quickly found I
>>was wasting my time.  Most of them were barely using CPU or memory and
>>they were performing useful functions.
>>
>>So, with my new RGB keyboard I started with a command line utility but
>>started to find the command syntax challenging.  The same package
>>(libratbag) comes with a GUI (piper).  Saved me a lot of time.
>>
>>I used to unload photos from my devices using my own command line tools.
>>I got tired of typing long commands and folder names and wrote my own
>>GUIto drive the process.  Now I'm down to the bare minimum of
>>keystrokes for the process.
>
> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
> supercomputer shop in the '70s.

What did you order?  My S5 is overdue for a replacement.
I mainly use it for driving and photos/movies.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#214289

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-15 17:16 -0400
Message-ID<fua2mftorjtbjvc1jaide4j20nk65lin6r@4ax.com>
In reply to#214262
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:46:57 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:15:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:
>>>
>>>> What's wrong with all those background processes?  Gotta keep all
>>>> those cores doing sumthin'.
>>>
>>>I was waiting for this thread to turn sensible.
>>>
>>>All this bull about "bloat" was getting boring.
>>>
>>>I'm running with 2GB Ram and barely put it all to use.  Just looked, if
>>>I wanted to add 4 GB that would be $18.99 US.
>>>
>>>Last time I looked at services running I didn't need, I quickly found I
>>>was wasting my time.  Most of them were barely using CPU or memory and
>>>they were performing useful functions.
>>>
>>>So, with my new RGB keyboard I started with a command line utility but
>>>started to find the command syntax challenging.  The same package
>>>(libratbag) comes with a GUI (piper).  Saved me a lot of time.
>>>
>>>I used to unload photos from my devices using my own command line tools.
>>>I got tired of typing long commands and folder names and wrote my own
>>>GUIto drive the process.  Now I'm down to the bare minimum of
>>>keystrokes for the process.
>>
>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
>
>What did you order?  My S5 is overdue for a replacement.
>I mainly use it for driving and photos/movies.

Galaxy Note S20 Ultra with half a terabyte.  I like being able to
scribble.

I'm hoping that it will actually give me reliable reception, which my
5 year old cheap ZTE doesn't.  That's becoming an issue because work
wants to authenticate to a phone instead of using a token going
forward.  Everything I'm reading says that the Galaxy Notes are
particularly good in that regard and if I'm spending that much anyway
I may as well get all the bells and whistles.

It's gross overkill for my needs, but . . .

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#214293

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-15 18:02 -0400
Message-ID<rjrdm3$pn2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#214289
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:46:57 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:15:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with all those background processes?  Gotta keep all
>>>>> those cores doing sumthin'.
>>>>
>>>>I was waiting for this thread to turn sensible.
>>>>
>>>>All this bull about "bloat" was getting boring.
>>>>
>>>>I'm running with 2GB Ram and barely put it all to use.  Just looked, if
>>>>I wanted to add 4 GB that would be $18.99 US.
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked at services running I didn't need, I quickly found I
>>>>was wasting my time.  Most of them were barely using CPU or memory and
>>>>they were performing useful functions.
>>>>
>>>>So, with my new RGB keyboard I started with a command line utility but
>>>>started to find the command syntax challenging.  The same package
>>>>(libratbag) comes with a GUI (piper).  Saved me a lot of time.
>>>>
>>>>I used to unload photos from my devices using my own command line tools.
>>>>I got tired of typing long commands and folder names and wrote my own
>>>>GUIto drive the process.  Now I'm down to the bare minimum of
>>>>keystrokes for the process.
>>>
>>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
>>
>>What did you order?  My S5 is overdue for a replacement.
>>I mainly use it for driving and photos/movies.
>
> Galaxy Note S20 Ultra with half a terabyte.  I like being able to
> scribble.
>
> I'm hoping that it will actually give me reliable reception, which my
> 5 year old cheap ZTE doesn't.  That's becoming an issue because work
> wants to authenticate to a phone instead of using a token going
> forward.  Everything I'm reading says that the Galaxy Notes are
> particularly good in that regard and if I'm spending that much anyway
> I may as well get all the bells and whistles.
>
> It's gross overkill for my needs, but . . .

Thanks.

Not sure I want something that large.
My current phone is 5.5 x 2.3.
That thing is 6.48 x 3.04.

Just looked around, the S10e is supposed to be their small phone,
5.9 x 2.75.

Not impressed.
I might be changing brands.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#214295

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-15 18:47 -0400
Message-ID<70h2mf119d9aumo4lnujqgmvrfoeu254li@4ax.com>
In reply to#214293
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:02:42 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:46:57 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:15:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's wrong with all those background processes?  Gotta keep all
>>>>>> those cores doing sumthin'.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was waiting for this thread to turn sensible.
>>>>>
>>>>>All this bull about "bloat" was getting boring.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm running with 2GB Ram and barely put it all to use.  Just looked, if
>>>>>I wanted to add 4 GB that would be $18.99 US.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last time I looked at services running I didn't need, I quickly found I
>>>>>was wasting my time.  Most of them were barely using CPU or memory and
>>>>>they were performing useful functions.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, with my new RGB keyboard I started with a command line utility but
>>>>>started to find the command syntax challenging.  The same package
>>>>>(libratbag) comes with a GUI (piper).  Saved me a lot of time.
>>>>>
>>>>>I used to unload photos from my devices using my own command line tools.
>>>>>I got tired of typing long commands and folder names and wrote my own
>>>>>GUIto drive the process.  Now I'm down to the bare minimum of
>>>>>keystrokes for the process.
>>>>
>>>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>>>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
>>>
>>>What did you order?  My S5 is overdue for a replacement.
>>>I mainly use it for driving and photos/movies.
>>
>> Galaxy Note S20 Ultra with half a terabyte.  I like being able to
>> scribble.
>>
>> I'm hoping that it will actually give me reliable reception, which my
>> 5 year old cheap ZTE doesn't.  That's becoming an issue because work
>> wants to authenticate to a phone instead of using a token going
>> forward.  Everything I'm reading says that the Galaxy Notes are
>> particularly good in that regard and if I'm spending that much anyway
>> I may as well get all the bells and whistles.
>>
>> It's gross overkill for my needs, but . . .
>
>Thanks.
>
>Not sure I want something that large.
>My current phone is 5.5 x 2.3.
>That thing is 6.48 x 3.04.
>
>Just looked around, the S10e is supposed to be their small phone,
>5.9 x 2.75.
>
>Not impressed.
>I might be changing brands.

My current one is 5.8 x 2.8.  The new one is taller but not that much
wider.  

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#214469

FromTimothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-21 12:56 -0700
Message-ID<4f6a5434-4c2b-4d11-a614-2db2d9bf7034n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#214295
I like my Palm: 2" x 3.8".  Not great for a smartphone (camera is ok, screen is small) but it does all the things a smartphone needs to do.
Doesn't do hotspot, if that is important to you.
If you get it on sale with the juicepack it is a pretty good value. (I think).

  - Tim

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#214471

Fromf6k <f6k@huld.re>
Date2020-09-21 22:45 +0200
Message-ID<slrnrmi484.og7.f6k@xila.huld.re>
In reply to#214469
On 2020-09-21, Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like my Palm: 2" x 3.8".  Not great for a smartphone (camera is ok,
> screen is small) but it does all the things a smartphone needs to do. 
> Doesn't do hotspot, if that is important to you.  If you get it on
> sale with the juicepack it is a pretty good value.  (I think).
>
>   - Tim

i'm quite interested by this phone but they say that the battery is
quite weak (800mAh if i'm not wrong) and that it's hard to make it the
entire day (even while using it for small tasks, phoning and
messaging).  what is your experience around that?

-f6k

-- 
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#214472

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2020-09-21 21:05 +0000
Message-ID<nA8aH.279235$HY4.255249@fx37.iad>
In reply to#214471
f6k <f6k@huld.re> writes:
>On 2020-09-21, Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like my Palm: 2" x 3.8".  Not great for a smartphone (camera is ok,
>> screen is small) but it does all the things a smartphone needs to do. 
>> Doesn't do hotspot, if that is important to you.  If you get it on
>> sale with the juicepack it is a pretty good value.  (I think).
>>
>>   - Tim
>
>i'm quite interested by this phone but they say that the battery is
>quite weak (800mAh if i'm not wrong) and that it's hard to make it the
>entire day (even while using it for small tasks, phoning and
>messaging).  what is your experience around that?

Which is why, I suspect, that he said "with the juicepack", which
is an auxillary battery pack.

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#214478

Fromf6k <f6k@huld.re>
Date2020-09-22 10:24 +0200
Message-ID<slrnrmjd67.a4j.f6k@xila.huld.re>
In reply to#214472
On 2020-09-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Which is why, I suspect, that he said "with the juicepack", which
> is an auxillary battery pack.

yes, but i found an opportunity without the juicepack, that's why i'm
still asking the question :)

-f6k

-- 
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#214476

FromTimothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-21 17:19 -0700
Message-ID<031d5580-7b12-4b12-bbe5-8f3321a43a25n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#214471
On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 4:46:37 PM UTC-4, f6k wrote:
> On 2020-09-21, Timothy McCaffrey wrote: 
> > 
> > I like my Palm: 2" x 3.8". Not great for a smartphone (camera is ok, 
> > screen is small) but it does all the things a smartphone needs to do. 
> > Doesn't do hotspot, if that is important to you. If you get it on 
> > sale with the juicepack it is a pretty good value. (I think). 
> > 
> > - Tim
> i'm quite interested by this phone but they say that the battery is 
> quite weak (800mAh if i'm not wrong) and that it's hard to make it the 
> entire day (even while using it for small tasks, phoning and 
> messaging). what is your experience around that? 
> 
> -f6k 
> 
> -- 
> ~{,_,"> indignus LabRat - ftp://shl.huld.re

I don't usually run SmartPhone things (games, etc.) all that much.  For things that drain the power (like navigation) I'm usually in the car and hook it up to the power plug(or I'm listening to an audio book, ditto).  I do have a hiking app that loves to suck power (even when I'm not using it) and sometimes that causes an issue (and the phone notifies me that it is suck power and I can "force stop" it).  I can usually (99% of the time) get through a whole day.  There are times I have had to invoke the juice pack, which can charge it to about 80% from a dead battery.  Since the juice pack also acts as a case, and the phone is so small to begin with, to me it is not a problem.  (In fact, I think Palm could market a thicker version that just has a bigger battery and find a market).

I also don't make a lot of phone calls or do texting, so YMMV.  OTOH, it charges pretty fast as well.  If you drain the juice pack, when you hook up the charge cable the juice pack makes sure the phone is re-charged first, then it switches to charging itself.

With the juice pack it is almost exactly the same size (in all dimensions) as a Samsung Gravity III (not a Galaxy!).  I do miss that slide out keyboard....
(The Gravity III lost its mind when the GPS clocks rolled over :(    )

Occasionally, Palm has sales, and sale packages.  I basically got the juice pack for "free".  Or you can get it from Verizon.

- Tim

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#214479

Fromf6k <f6k@huld.re>
Date2020-09-22 10:23 +0200
Message-ID<slrnrmjd3u.a4j.f6k@xila.huld.re>
In reply to#214476
On 2020-09-22, Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't usually run SmartPhone things (games, etc.) all that much. 
> For things that drain the power (like navigation) I'm usually in the
> car and hook it up to the power plug(or I'm listening to an audio
> book, ditto).  I do have a hiking app that loves to suck power (even
> when I'm not using it) and sometimes that causes an issue (and the
> phone notifies me that it is suck power and I can "force stop" it). 
> I can usually (99% of the time) get through a whole day.  There are
> times I have had to invoke the juice pack, which can charge it to
> about 80% from a dead battery.  Since the juice pack also acts as a
> case, and the phone is so small to begin with, to me it is not a
> problem.  (In fact, I think Palm could market a thicker version that
> just has a bigger battery and find a market).
>
> I also don't make a lot of phone calls or do texting, so YMMV.  OTOH,
> it charges pretty fast as well.  If you drain the juice pack, when
> you hook up the charge cable the juice pack makes sure the phone is
> re-charged first, then it switches to charging itself.

ok, thank you very much Tim.

> With the juice pack it is almost exactly the same size (in all
> dimensions) as a Samsung Gravity III (not a Galaxy!).  I do miss that
> slide out keyboard....  (The Gravity III lost its mind when the GPS
> clocks rolled over :( )
>
> Occasionally, Palm has sales, and sale packages.  I basically got the
> juice pack for "free".  Or you can get it from Verizon.

actually i found it without the juicepack; still, i do own a powerbank. 
but i was wondering if i could take the day as it is (my powerbank is
much larger than the phone).  it seems you have little needs of your
phone, like i do, but the juicepack is a thing to have.  again, thank
you for your feedback.

-f6k


-- 
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#214498

FromTimothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-22 15:02 -0700
Message-ID<cd640a7b-4048-4cf7-8bb8-426fe985cbe1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#214479
On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 4:30:32 AM UTC-4, f6k wrote:
> On 2020-09-22, Timothy McCaffrey <> wrote: 
> > I don't usually run SmartPhone things (games, etc.) all that much. 
> > For things that drain the power (like navigation) I'm usually in the 
> > car and hook it up to the power plug(or I'm listening to an audio 
> > book, ditto). I do have a hiking app that loves to suck power (even 
> > when I'm not using it) and sometimes that causes an issue (and the 
> > phone notifies me that it is suck power and I can "force stop" it). 
> > I can usually (99% of the time) get through a whole day. There are 
> > times I have had to invoke the juice pack, which can charge it to 
> > about 80% from a dead battery. Since the juice pack also acts as a 
> > case, and the phone is so small to begin with, to me it is not a 
> > problem. (In fact, I think Palm could market a thicker version that 
> > just has a bigger battery and find a market). 
> > 
> > I also don't make a lot of phone calls or do texting, so YMMV. OTOH, 
> > it charges pretty fast as well. If you drain the juice pack, when 
> > you hook up the charge cable the juice pack makes sure the phone is 
> > re-charged first, then it switches to charging itself.
> ok, thank you very much Tim.
> > With the juice pack it is almost exactly the same size (in all 
> > dimensions) as a Samsung Gravity III (not a Galaxy!). I do miss that 
> > slide out keyboard.... (The Gravity III lost its mind when the GPS 
> > clocks rolled over :( ) 
> > 
> > Occasionally, Palm has sales, and sale packages. I basically got the 
> > juice pack for "free". Or you can get it from Verizon.
> actually i found it without the juicepack; still, i do own a powerbank. 
> but i was wondering if i could take the day as it is (my powerbank is 
> much larger than the phone). it seems you have little needs of your 
> phone, like i do, but the juicepack is a thing to have. again, thank 
> you for your feedback.
> -f6k 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~{,_,"> indignus LabRat - ftp://shl.huld.re

Just FYI: Palm is having a bundle sale: Phone & Juicepack for $299.

        - Tim

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#214486

Frommaus <maus@dmaus.org>
Date2020-09-22 12:51 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrmjsr6.6o5.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#214469
On 2020-09-21, Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like my Palm: 2" x 3.8".  Not great for a smartphone (camera is ok, screen is small) but it does all the things a smartphone needs to do.
> Doesn't do hotspot, if that is important to you.
> If you get it on sale with the juicepack it is a pretty good value. (I think).
>
>   - Tim
>
>   I had a sharp zaurus, wonderful thing for its time, (pre-internet)
>   and saw others using them  at meetings, etc, but the main battery
>   died, and I could not replace it. Nostalgia, I suppose. 

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#214495

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-22 15:21 -0400
Message-ID<ufjkmflchtnr8ve2cltuoesgi0n240opjk@4ax.com>
In reply to#214486
On 22 Sep 2020 12:51:50 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

>On 2020-09-21, Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like my Palm: 2" x 3.8".  Not great for a smartphone (camera is ok, screen is small) but it does all the things a smartphone needs to do.
>> Doesn't do hotspot, if that is important to you.
>> If you get it on sale with the juicepack it is a pretty good value. (I think).
>>
>>   - Tim
>>
>>   I had a sharp zaurus, wonderful thing for its time, (pre-internet)
>>   and saw others using them  at meetings, etc, but the main battery
>>   died, and I could not replace it. Nostalgia, I suppose.

I had a Sony Clie--wonderful machine for its time.  It took a long
time for smartphones to reach the same functionality level.   

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#214288

Fromusenet@only.tnx (Questor)
Date2020-09-15 20:32 +0000
Message-ID<5f6124b9.9685406@news.dslextreme.com>
In reply to#214255
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:29:24 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>supercomputer shop in the '70s.

Heh.  I got this image of a raised-floor, air-conditioned computer room, filled
with spinning disk and tape drives, chattering line printers, and the like.
Operators coming and going, mounting tapes, bursting listings, etc.  In the
center of all this frenzied activity on a long table, running the whole show, is
a smart phone with a single USB cable snaking from it.

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#214297

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2020-09-15 23:22 +0000
Message-ID<rjriav02pc5@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to#214288
On 2020-09-15, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:29:24 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
>
> Heh.  I got this image of a raised-floor, air-conditioned computer room,
> filled with spinning disk and tape drives, chattering line printers, and
> the like.  Operators coming and going, mounting tapes, bursting listings,
> etc.  In the center of all this frenzied activity on a long table, running
> the whole show, is a smart phone with a single USB cable snaking from it.

Nah, it'll use a wi-fi connection to a router hidden in one of the cabinets.

Everything will run just fine until the phone's battery dies...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#214298

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-09-15 21:14 -0400
Message-ID<1do2mfpa1sd4e5343i50qi58j5uphg0t25@4ax.com>
In reply to#214297
On 15 Sep 2020 23:22:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2020-09-15, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:29:24 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
>>
>> Heh.  I got this image of a raised-floor, air-conditioned computer room,
>> filled with spinning disk and tape drives, chattering line printers, and
>> the like.  Operators coming and going, mounting tapes, bursting listings,
>> etc.  In the center of all this frenzied activity on a long table, running
>> the whole show, is a smart phone with a single USB cable snaking from it.
>
>Nah, it'll use a wi-fi connection to a router hidden in one of the cabinets.
>
>Everything will run just fine until the phone's battery dies...

Just remember that that phone has the equivalent of 5,000 3330s in it,
so much of that storage would be redundant, unless perhaps you're
using it for backup.

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#214303

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-09-16 08:04 +0100
Message-ID<20200916080417.9a8e3a1cd3bfcf2e2088511e@eircom.net>
In reply to#214298
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 21:14:06 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2020 23:22:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >On 2020-09-15, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:29:24 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.
> >> 873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
> >>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
> >>
> >> Heh.  I got this image of a raised-floor, air-conditioned computer
> >> room, filled with spinning disk and tape drives, chattering line
> >> printers, and the like.  Operators coming and going, mounting tapes,
> >> bursting listings, etc.  In the center of all this frenzied activity
> >> on a long table, running the whole show, is a smart phone with a
> >> single USB cable snaking from it.
> >
> >Nah, it'll use a wi-fi connection to a router hidden in one of the
> >cabinets.
> >
> >Everything will run just fine until the phone's battery dies...
> 
> Just remember that that phone has the equivalent of 5,000 3330s in it,
> so much of that storage would be redundant, unless perhaps you're
> using it for backup.

	Yeah no disk packs but if the phone is doing DP work then the tapes
might be the data feeds and reports to external systems. You'd need a lot of
tape drives going flat out to keep that phone busy, it could also drive a
ridiculous number of 1403s with suitable interfacing (channel boxes with
wifi dongles perhaps).

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The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#214315

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
Message-ID<rjtiqs01ed1@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#214298
On 2020-09-16, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2020 23:22:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2020-09-15, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:29:24 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But still, the new phone I have on order would have been a large
>>>> supercomputer shop in the '70s.
>>>
>>> Heh.  I got this image of a raised-floor, air-conditioned computer room,
>>> filled with spinning disk and tape drives, chattering line printers, and
>>> the like.  Operators coming and going, mounting tapes, bursting listings,
>>> etc.  In the center of all this frenzied activity on a long table, running
>>> the whole show, is a smart phone with a single USB cable snaking from it.
>>
>> Nah, it'll use a wi-fi connection to a router hidden in one of the cabinets.
>>
>> Everything will run just fine until the phone's battery dies...
>
> Just remember that that phone has the equivalent of 5,000 3330s in it,
> so much of that storage would be redundant, unless perhaps you're
> using it for backup.

That reminds me of the one I saw in rec.humor.funny years ago.
Someone mentioned an article about miniaturization which stated
that soon you'd have a 3090 in your wristwatch.  "Great," our guy
observed, "you can boot MVS on it and the first thing it'll do is
ask you the time."

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#214331

FromBob Eager <news0073@eager.cx>
Date2020-09-16 20:25 +0000
Message-ID<hsfal3Fg9laU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214315
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:42:52 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> That reminds me of the one I saw in rec.humor.funny years ago. Someone
> mentioned an article about miniaturization which stated that soon you'd
> have a 3090 in your wristwatch.  "Great," our guy observed, "you can
> boot MVS on it and the first thing it'll do is ask you the time."

I ran VAX/VMS on my phone, some years ago. Someone had ported SIMH, but 
then it broke becuase it depended on some other broken app.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

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