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Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!)

Started bygareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
First post2020-08-12 13:44 +0100
Last post2020-08-13 12:15 -0500
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  Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 13:44 +0100
    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 11:16 -0500
      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 17:55 +0100
        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 14:47 -0500
          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 21:30 +0100
            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-12 21:24 +0000
              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:38 -0700
                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 18:39 -0400
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 18:58 -0400
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 17:35 -0700
                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 22:23 -0400
                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 23:08 -0400
                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 18:54 -0400
                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 23:54 -0400
                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 00:07 -0400
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-13 13:57 +0200
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:54 -0700
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-13 20:38 +0200
                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 13:31 -0400
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 15:28 -0500
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:33 +0000
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 19:08 +0100
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:32 +0000
                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:41 +0000
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 07:14 +0100
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 06:43 +0000
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:10 -0400
                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 13:43 +0200
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:50 -0400
                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 14:06 +0200
                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:36 -0400
                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 19:41 +0200
                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 18:04 +0000
                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 13:24 +0100
                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 08:31 -0400
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:37 -0400
                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:34 -0400
                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 16:18 +0000
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 19:47 +0200
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 05:57 -0400
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 11:20 +0100
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:37 -0400
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-14 11:44 +0000
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 12:24 +0200
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 07:46 -0400
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 08:20 -0400
                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:38 -0400
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 19:50 +0200
                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 14:01 -0400
                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 21:31 +0200
                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:37 -0400
                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 21:38 +0000
                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 00:00 +0200
                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 18:18 -0400
                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-14 18:51 -0500
                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 15:03 +0200
                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 12:09 -0400
                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 20:15 +0200
                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-15 11:36 -0700
                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 21:42 +0200
                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 16:37 -0400
                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-15 21:01 +0000
                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:07 -0400
                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:46 -0400
                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 17:41 -0400
                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:36 -0400
                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 18:56 -0400
                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 21:08 -0400
                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-16 15:56 -0700
                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 19:16 -0400
                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 19:23 -0400
                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 20:33 -0400
                                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 21:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 22:31 -0400
                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 23:20 -0400
                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 09:44 +0100
                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-17 04:27 -0500
                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 10:39 +0100
                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 07:52 -0400
                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 08:20 -0400
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 09:33 -0400
                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 13:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 09:38 -0400
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 16:43 +0100
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-17 19:11 -0300
                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 19:53 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 22:23 -0400
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-22 20:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-23 09:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-23 14:22 +0100
                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 08:11 -0400
                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 14:07 +0100
                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:35 +0100
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:17 -0700
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-17 17:29 -0400
                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 21:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-19 19:26 -0400
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-20 07:49 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 12:33 -0400
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-20 01:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-20 07:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-20 14:26 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 12:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 12:49 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-20 17:15 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 14:19 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 16:25 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 17:14 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 19:29 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 19:37 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 19:43 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 20:36 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 20:40 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 20:51 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 22:08 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 22:07 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-20 21:14 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-20 20:49 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-20 19:20 -0300
                                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-20 23:50 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-21 05:44 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-21 12:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 08:38 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-21 18:31 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 17:33 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 17:32 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-21 22:22 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-22 09:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-21 18:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-11-17 18:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-20 20:47 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-20 17:23 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Scams) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-20 23:52 -0500
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-20 08:13 +0100
                                                                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 03:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-18 10:19 +0100
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 05:00 -0500
                                                                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 07:38 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-18 11:45 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-18 07:58 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-18 12:02 +0000
                                                                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-19 21:49 +0000
                                                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
                                                        Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-16 13:16 +0200
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:41 -0400
                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:39 -0400
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 13:29 +0100
                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 14:36 +0200
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:41 -0400
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 20:01 +0200
                                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:41 -0400
                                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-15 00:02 +0200
                                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 18:05 +0000
                            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:04 +0000
                              Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 11:26 +0100
                          Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 16:16 +0000
                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-14 16:11 +0000
                Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 12:00 +0100
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-13 13:48 +0200
                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 19:01 -0400
                      Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-08-14 03:34 +0200
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 13:01 +0100
                    Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 13:47 +0100
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2020-08-13 14:28 +0000
                  Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
            Re: Compliments to Microsoft ! (Yes, Really!) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 12:15 -0500

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#212742

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-13 13:31 -0400
Message-ID<rh3tdv$cvc$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212735
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:54 -0700, Peter Flass
>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2020-08-12, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do wonder whether Microsoft is intending to commit suicide by driving
>>>>>>>> users into the arms of other OSs such as Linux or Android.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Pissing off your customers is not the way to longevity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unless you're a monopoly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But they’re not, any more. Linux can handle 80-90% of all user
>>>>>> requirements, and 100% for typical users. I use either this iPad or my
>>>>>> Linux box for everything, and I can’t recall the last time I felt the need
>>>>>> to use windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can it handle 100 percent of corporate requirements though?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That’ why I said 80-90%. Some places have custom apps that depend on some
>>>> windows features - like the APL interface we’ve discussed. Sure they could
>>>> be rewritten, but it would probably be pricy. OTOH, you could always keep a
>>>> legacy windows box or two around for those things and use Linux for the
>>>> rest. Heck, you could probably run windows in a VM on Linux.  Isn’t MSFT
>>>> developing something that lets you run windows or windows apps on Linux?
>>>> 
>>>> I would think moving to Linux would save lots of money, although a company
>>>> would still want to pay for support.
>>> 
>>> Just for openers how long will it take and what will it cost to
>>> retrain thousands of users on Linux and Office 365?  
>> 
>> No time at all.
>> Most users can't tell the difference.
>> I just read an article about how to make Linux act pretty much like W10.
>> Okay, here it is:
>> 
>> https://kevq.uk/how-to-make-ubuntu-work-like-windows-10/
>
> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors. I never could stand
> anything after that.

I suppose but the tinkertoy interface made me laugh.
Just looked like the whole appearance was designed for children
especially compared to NT.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212746

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-13 15:28 -0500
Message-ID<qg8bjfhg0p7jq31sm5h21bgnsqq67umdpb@4ax.com>
In reply to#212742
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:31:43 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:54 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2020-08-12, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I do wonder whether Microsoft is intending to commit suicide by driving
>>>>>>>>> users into the arms of other OSs such as Linux or Android.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Pissing off your customers is not the way to longevity.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Unless you're a monopoly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But they’re not, any more. Linux can handle 80-90% of all user
>>>>>>> requirements, and 100% for typical users. I use either this iPad or my
>>>>>>> Linux box for everything, and I can’t recall the last time I felt the need
>>>>>>> to use windows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can it handle 100 percent of corporate requirements though?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’ why I said 80-90%. Some places have custom apps that depend on some
>>>>> windows features - like the APL interface we’ve discussed. Sure they could
>>>>> be rewritten, but it would probably be pricy. OTOH, you could always keep a
>>>>> legacy windows box or two around for those things and use Linux for the
>>>>> rest. Heck, you could probably run windows in a VM on Linux.  Isn’t MSFT
>>>>> developing something that lets you run windows or windows apps on Linux?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would think moving to Linux would save lots of money, although a company
>>>>> would still want to pay for support.
>>>> 
>>>> Just for openers how long will it take and what will it cost to
>>>> retrain thousands of users on Linux and Office 365?  
>>> 
>>> No time at all.
>>> Most users can't tell the difference.
>>> I just read an article about how to make Linux act pretty much like W10.
>>> Okay, here it is:
>>> 
>>> https://kevq.uk/how-to-make-ubuntu-work-like-windows-10/
>>
>> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors. I never could stand
>> anything after that.
>
>I suppose but the tinkertoy interface made me laugh.
>Just looked like the whole appearance was designed for children
>especially compared to NT.

I consider everything after XP to be nothing but a patch to XP.

Yeah, Windows 10 is a different path, but I'm not impressed by
anything after Win XP.

-- 
Jim

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#212748

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
Message-ID<rh49tt12dp3@news2.newsguy.com>
In reply to#212742
On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors.

I've always loved that saying.  :-)

And in this case, I agree 100% - which is why whenever
I have to use Windows, I bring up a copy of XP under
VirtualBox on one of my Linux machines.  If something
doesn't run under XP, I'm lucky enough to not need it.

>> I never could stand anything after that.
>
> I suppose but the tinkertoy interface made me laugh.
> Just looked like the whole appearance was designed for children
> especially compared to NT.

I refer to it as the "Fisher-Price" interface.  Fortunately you can
easily restore an adult appearance by going into the Control Panel's
"Display" screen, and setting the Theme to "Windows Classic".

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#212787

From"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1>
Date2020-08-14 11:33 +0000
Message-ID<XnsAC197FC2BDB9Dadmin127001@144.76.35.198>
In reply to#212748
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 21:05:01 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> 
wrote:

> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors.
> 
> I've always loved that saying.  :-)
> 
> And in this case, I agree 100% - which is why whenever
> I have to use Windows, I bring up a copy of XP under
> VirtualBox on one of my Linux machines.  If something
> doesn't run under XP, I'm lucky enough to not need it.
> 
>>> I never could stand anything after that.
>>
>> I suppose but the tinkertoy interface made me laugh.
>> Just looked like the whole appearance was designed for children
>> especially compared to NT.
> 
> I refer to it as the "Fisher-Price" interface.  Fortunately you can
> easily restore an adult appearance by going into the Control Panel's
> "Display" screen, and setting the Theme to "Windows Classic".
> 
Oh yes, none of that tosh, thank you.


-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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#212761

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Message-ID<379611183.619056584.750309.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212742
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:54 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2020-08-12, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I do wonder whether Microsoft is intending to commit suicide by driving
>>>>>>>>> users into the arms of other OSs such as Linux or Android.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Pissing off your customers is not the way to longevity.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Unless you're a monopoly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But they’re not, any more. Linux can handle 80-90% of all user
>>>>>>> requirements, and 100% for typical users. I use either this iPad or my
>>>>>>> Linux box for everything, and I can’t recall the last time I felt the need
>>>>>>> to use windows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can it handle 100 percent of corporate requirements though?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’ why I said 80-90%. Some places have custom apps that depend on some
>>>>> windows features - like the APL interface we’ve discussed. Sure they could
>>>>> be rewritten, but it would probably be pricy. OTOH, you could always keep a
>>>>> legacy windows box or two around for those things and use Linux for the
>>>>> rest. Heck, you could probably run windows in a VM on Linux.  Isn’t MSFT
>>>>> developing something that lets you run windows or windows apps on Linux?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would think moving to Linux would save lots of money, although a company
>>>>> would still want to pay for support.
>>>> 
>>>> Just for openers how long will it take and what will it cost to
>>>> retrain thousands of users on Linux and Office 365?  
>>> 
>>> No time at all.
>>> Most users can't tell the difference.
>>> I just read an article about how to make Linux act pretty much like W10.
>>> Okay, here it is:
>>> 
>>> https://kevq.uk/how-to-make-ubuntu-work-like-windows-10/
>> 
>> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors. I never could stand
>> anything after that.
> 
> I suppose but the tinkertoy interface made me laugh.
> Just looked like the whole appearance was designed for children
> especially compared to NT.
> 

Never used NT, so I can’t comment, but the default win-10 interface is 100
times worse. Fortunately, you can disable it. I set up my wife’s win-10 to
look like XP.

-- 
Pete

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#212744

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-13 19:08 +0100
Message-ID<rh3vib$to6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212735
On 13/08/2020 17:53, Peter Flass wrote:
>
> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors. I never could stand
> anything after that.

+1

I have 2 XP machines here, one of which is a notepad and was
what I used to keep going at the weekend when the W10 virussed
itself.

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#212786

From"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1>
Date2020-08-14 11:32 +0000
Message-ID<XnsAC197F9C2CC65admin127001@144.76.35.198>
In reply to#212735
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:53:58 GMT, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote: 

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:54 -0700, Peter Flass
>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2020-08-12, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do wonder whether Microsoft is intending to commit suicide by
>>>>>>>> driving users into the arms of other OSs such as Linux or
>>>>>>>> Android. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Pissing off your customers is not the way to longevity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Unless you're a monopoly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But they’re not, any more. Linux can handle 80-90% of all user
>>>>>> requirements, and 100% for typical users. I use either this iPad
>>>>>> or my Linux box for everything, and I can’t recall the last
>>>>>> time I felt the need to use windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can it handle 100 percent of corporate requirements though?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That’ why I said 80-90%. Some places have custom apps that depend
>>>> on some windows features - like the APL interface we’ve
>>>> discussed. Sure they could be rewritten, but it would probably be
>>>> pricy. OTOH, you could always keep a legacy windows box or two
>>>> around for those things and use Linux for the rest. Heck, you could
>>>> probably run windows in a VM on Linux.  Isn’t MSFT developing
>>>> something that lets you run windows or windows apps on Linux? 
>>>> 
>>>> I would think moving to Linux would save lots of money, although a
>>>> company would still want to pay for support.
>>> 
>>> Just for openers how long will it take and what will it cost to
>>> retrain thousands of users on Linux and Office 365?  
>> 
>> No time at all.
>> Most users can't tell the difference.
>> I just read an article about how to make Linux act pretty much like
>> W10. Okay, here it is:
>> 
>> https://kevq.uk/how-to-make-ubuntu-work-like-windows-10/
> 
> Windows XP is a great improvement over its successors. I never could
> stand anything after that.
> 
+1 
This posted from a computer running XP, though moving from 98 was 
probably unnecessary; I dont use this PC as as server



-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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#212768

Fromusenet@only.tnx (Questor)
Date2020-08-14 03:41 +0000
Message-ID<5f36070e.11082005@news.dslextreme.com>
In reply to#212714
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 23:54:37 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:35:54 -0700, Peter Flass
>><peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>><peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>On 2020-08-12, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do wonder whether Microsoft is intending to commit suicide by driving
>>>>>>>users into the arms of other OSs such as Linux or Android.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pissing off your customers is not the way to longevity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unless you're a monopoly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>But they're not, any more. Linux can handle 80-90% of all user
>>>>>requirements, and 100% for typical users. I use either this iPad or my
>>>>>Linux box for everything, and I can't recall the last time I felt the need
>>>>>to use windows.
>>>>
>>>>Can it handle 100 percent of corporate requirements though?
>>>
>>>That's why I said 80-90%. Some places have custom apps that depend on some
>>>windows features - like the APL interface we've discussed. Sure they could
>>>be rewritten, but it would probably be pricy. OTOH, you could always keep a
>>>legacy windows box or two around for those things and use Linux for the
>>>rest. Heck, you could probably run windows in a VM on Linux.  Isn't MSFT
>>>developing something that lets you run windows or windows apps on Linux?
>>>
>>>I would think moving to Linux would save lots of money, although a company
>>>would still want to pay for support.
>>
>> Just for openers how long will it take and what will it cost to
>> retrain thousands of users on Linux and Office 365?  
>
>No time at all.
>Most users can't tell the difference.
>I just read an article about how to make Linux act pretty much like W10.
>Okay, here it is:
>
>https://kevq.uk/how-to-make-ubuntu-work-like-windows-10/
>
>I've had Windows users set down at my Linux desktop and just start
>typing away without noticing anything odd.  Even though I'm running
>Fvwm with my own highly configured environment.
>
>As for Office 365:
>
>  Can you use Office 365 on Linux?
>  Microsoft has ported its first ever Office 365 app to Linux and it chose
>  Teams to be the one. While still in public preview, Linux users
>  interested in giving it a go should go here. According to a blog post by
>  Microsoft's Marissa Salazar, the Linux port will support all of the core
>  capabilities of the app.

You so funny!

In another thread you decry diversity in human language and wish for an end to
the Tower of Babel, citing, among other arguments, the need for translators.
And in this thread you make the opposite argument, supporting diversity and a
"software Tower of Babel," apparently relying on the translation of different
document formats.  It seems to me the same reasoning should apply in either
case.


Apparently no one here has had extensive experience in corporate IT or doing a
lot of end-user support.

To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary to
remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their access to
corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the same weaknesses
as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those tools.

Also critical are programs from independent software vendors (ISV).  An e-mail
client, a browser, and an office suite are not enough for many employees. Just
about every organization of sufficent size uses a handful of third-party
applications; a large company may have dozens.  It simply isn't economically
feasible for most ISVs, which are often small firms serving a niche market, to
port and support versions for Linux and/or the Macintosh.  They simply don't
have the customers for those platforms to generate the necessary revenue.

For one example, consider a medium-sized hospital where I worked on an IT
contract a few years back.  The phone operators had a custom program to answer
the phone and another to look up phone numbers, not only for departments and
employees, but also for an ever-shifting roster of patients.  The medical
records department had one application to track patient diagnosis and treatment,
and another to aid in the coding of same for insurance billing purposes.  The
accounting department had general ledger software and other programs for
dealing with the insurance companies.  The cafeteria used an application to plan
patient menus and keep track of their food inventory.  One of the most
complicated programs was for scheduling nurses.  Nurses are not generally
interchangeable. Certifications, training, years of experience, and preferred
shifts must all be taken into account.  Oncology, cardiology, radiology... just
about every department had at least one application specific to their needs.  A
similar situation exists in large corporations.

Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there would be
significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What version?  Which
shell, which windows manager?  Some of these make a difference in the
programming, and some in being able to offer end-user support, especially
remotely.  Imagine walking a novice user through editing an .rc file with vi
over the phone.  Imagine having to be able to do that for any combination of
Linux distribution and shell.

There's also the training issue.  Simply put, companies don't want to train
employees.  If they are using Linux and OpenOffice, where will they find
qualified employees knowledgeable in that software?  Saying that those programs
are "pretty much like" Windows and Office isn't good enough.  Currently the
baseline in computer ability is competency with Windows and Office.  Any
organization using Microsoft products is assured of a large pool of potential
employees with experience using the same.

To be clear, I am not a fan of Microsoft.  I think its dangerous to be dependent
on a software monoculture, and my opinion is confirmed with every story about
virus infections, data exfiltrations, and ransomware attacks.  Like most people
in alt.folklore.computers, I am technically savvy enough not to be beholden to
Microsoft products should I chose.  I also recognize that that is a very small
minority of people, and that there are compelling economic reasons why most
companies are Microsoft shops.

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#212774

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-08-14 07:14 +0100
Message-ID<20200814071428.790ed0d44debdfdcc73e0173@eircom.net>
In reply to#212768
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:

> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
> tools.

	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
just as well for desktops as for server farms.

	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
applications you need.

> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
> version?  Which shell, which windows manager? 

	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
should they be problems for anyone else ?

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#212775

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-08-14 06:43 +0000
Message-ID<hpmq4gFmk1mU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#212774
On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>
>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>> tools.
>
> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
> just as well for desktops as for server farms.

Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.

> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
> applications you need.

Sure.

>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager? 
>
> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
> should they be problems for anyone else ?

Makes sense.

Niklas
-- 
The best viewer I've found for MS-Powerpoint is "rm".
                          -- Roger BW

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#212783

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-14 07:10 -0400
Message-ID<j4scjft9dhm6nvq1ntfgrcmvs587b1utlt@4ax.com>
In reply to#212775
On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:

>On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>
>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>> tools.
>>
>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>
>Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>
>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>> applications you need.
>
>Sure.
>
>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager? 
>>
>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>
>Makes sense.

What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is
put on GigHub or SourceForge and whoever wants it downloads it and
beats it into submission if they want it badly enough.  Most
businesses want to be in the business of selling whatever product they
make, not maintaining somebody else's code.

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#212789

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2020-08-14 13:43 +0200
Message-ID<av9i0h-7md.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#212783
On 14/08/2020 13.10, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>> tools.
>>>
>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>
>> Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>> the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>
>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>> applications you need.
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager?
>>>
>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>
>> Makes sense.
> 
> What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is
> put on GigHub or SourceForge and whoever wants it downloads it and
> beats it into submission if they want it badly enough.  Most
> businesses want to be in the business of selling whatever product they
> make, not maintaining somebody else's code.
> 
cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qi rpm
Name        : rpm
Version     : 4.14.1
Release     : lp151.14.3.1
Architecture: x86_64
Install Date: 2020-04-20T12:57:08 CEST
Group       : System/Packages
Size        : 4793456
License     : GPL-2.0-or-later
Signature   : RSA/SHA256, 2020-04-13T16:15:51 CEST, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284
Source RPM  : rpm-4.14.1-lp151.14.3.1.src.rpm
Build Date  : 2020-04-13T16:15:32 CEST
Build Host  : cloud126
Relocations : (not relocatable)
Packager    : http://bugs.opensuse.org
Vendor      : openSUSE  <===========================
Summary     : The RPM Package Manager
Description :


-- 
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#212792

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-14 07:50 -0400
Message-ID<jjucjfttboid86ah0nq9q4m4bk0isnl8j0@4ax.com>
In reply to#212789
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:43:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 14/08/2020 13.10, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>>> tools.
>>>>
>>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>>
>>> Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>>> the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>>
>>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>>> applications you need.
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager?
>>>>
>>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>>
>>> Makes sense.
>> 
>> What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is
>> put on GigHub or SourceForge and whoever wants it downloads it and
>> beats it into submission if they want it badly enough.  Most
>> businesses want to be in the business of selling whatever product they
>> make, not maintaining somebody else's code.
>> 
>cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qi rpm
>Name        : rpm
>Version     : 4.14.1
>Release     : lp151.14.3.1
>Architecture: x86_64
>Install Date: 2020-04-20T12:57:08 CEST
>Group       : System/Packages
>Size        : 4793456
>License     : GPL-2.0-or-later
>Signature   : RSA/SHA256, 2020-04-13T16:15:51 CEST, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284
>Source RPM  : rpm-4.14.1-lp151.14.3.1.src.rpm
>Build Date  : 2020-04-13T16:15:32 CEST
>Build Host  : cloud126
>Relocations : (not relocatable)
>Packager    : http://bugs.opensuse.org
>Vendor      : openSUSE  <===========================
>Summary     : The RPM Package Manager
>Description :

Is that supposed to be relevant somehow?

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#212793

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2020-08-14 14:06 +0200
Message-ID<nbbi0h-vrf.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#212792
On 14/08/2020 13.50, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:43:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/08/2020 13.10, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>>>
>>>> Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>>>> the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>>>
>>>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>>>> applications you need.
>>>>
>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager?
>>>>>
>>>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense.
>>>
>>> What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is
>>> put on GigHub or SourceForge and whoever wants it downloads it and
>>> beats it into submission if they want it badly enough.  Most
>>> businesses want to be in the business of selling whatever product they
>>> make, not maintaining somebody else's code.
>>>
>> cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qi rpm
>> Name        : rpm
>> Version     : 4.14.1
>> Release     : lp151.14.3.1
>> Architecture: x86_64
>> Install Date: 2020-04-20T12:57:08 CEST
>> Group       : System/Packages
>> Size        : 4793456
>> License     : GPL-2.0-or-later
>> Signature   : RSA/SHA256, 2020-04-13T16:15:51 CEST, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284
>> Source RPM  : rpm-4.14.1-lp151.14.3.1.src.rpm
>> Build Date  : 2020-04-13T16:15:32 CEST
>> Build Host  : cloud126
>> Relocations : (not relocatable)
>> Packager    : http://bugs.opensuse.org
>> Vendor      : openSUSE  <===========================
>> Summary     : The RPM Package Manager
>> Description :
> 
> Is that supposed to be relevant somehow?
> 

You asked what is an open source vendor, and I answered to just that.



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#212811

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-14 13:36 -0400
Message-ID<dsidjf98to8sbv46h1pghtoda2aga23fhu@4ax.com>
In reply to#212793
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:06:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 14/08/2020 13.50, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:43:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14/08/2020 13.10, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>>>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>>>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>>>>> the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>>>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>>>>> applications you need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>>>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is
>>>> put on GigHub or SourceForge and whoever wants it downloads it and
>>>> beats it into submission if they want it badly enough.  Most
>>>> businesses want to be in the business of selling whatever product they
>>>> make, not maintaining somebody else's code.
>>>>
>>> cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qi rpm
>>> Name        : rpm
>>> Version     : 4.14.1
>>> Release     : lp151.14.3.1
>>> Architecture: x86_64
>>> Install Date: 2020-04-20T12:57:08 CEST
>>> Group       : System/Packages
>>> Size        : 4793456
>>> License     : GPL-2.0-or-later
>>> Signature   : RSA/SHA256, 2020-04-13T16:15:51 CEST, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284
>>> Source RPM  : rpm-4.14.1-lp151.14.3.1.src.rpm
>>> Build Date  : 2020-04-13T16:15:32 CEST
>>> Build Host  : cloud126
>>> Relocations : (not relocatable)
>>> Packager    : http://bugs.opensuse.org
>>> Vendor      : openSUSE  <===========================
>>> Summary     : The RPM Package Manager
>>> Description :
>> 
>> Is that supposed to be relevant somehow?
>> 
>
>You asked what is an open source vendor, and I answered to just that.

So how do they "vend" something that is free as in speech and free as
in beer?

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#212816

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2020-08-14 19:41 +0200
Message-ID<9vui0h-dcq.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#212811
On 14/08/2020 19.36, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:06:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/08/2020 13.50, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:43:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/08/2020 13.10, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>>>>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>>>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>>>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>>>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>>>>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>>>>>> the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>>>>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>>>>>> applications you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>>>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>>>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>>>>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is
>>>>> put on GigHub or SourceForge and whoever wants it downloads it and
>>>>> beats it into submission if they want it badly enough.  Most
>>>>> businesses want to be in the business of selling whatever product they
>>>>> make, not maintaining somebody else's code.
>>>>>
>>>> cer@Telcontar:~> rpm -qi rpm
>>>> Name        : rpm
>>>> Version     : 4.14.1
>>>> Release     : lp151.14.3.1
>>>> Architecture: x86_64
>>>> Install Date: 2020-04-20T12:57:08 CEST
>>>> Group       : System/Packages
>>>> Size        : 4793456
>>>> License     : GPL-2.0-or-later
>>>> Signature   : RSA/SHA256, 2020-04-13T16:15:51 CEST, Key ID b88b2fd43dbdc284
>>>> Source RPM  : rpm-4.14.1-lp151.14.3.1.src.rpm
>>>> Build Date  : 2020-04-13T16:15:32 CEST
>>>> Build Host  : cloud126
>>>> Relocations : (not relocatable)
>>>> Packager    : http://bugs.opensuse.org
>>>> Vendor      : openSUSE  <===========================
>>>> Summary     : The RPM Package Manager
>>>> Description :
>>>
>>> Is that supposed to be relevant somehow?
>>>
>>
>> You asked what is an open source vendor, and I answered to just that.
> 
> So how do they "vend" something that is free as in speech and free as
> in beer?

See the replies of others.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#212822

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2020-08-14 18:04 +0000
Message-ID<OmAZG.144600$5_4.86800@fx40.iad>
In reply to#212811
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:06:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R."

>>> 
>>
>>You asked what is an open source vendor, and I answered to just that.
>
>So how do they "vend" something that is free as in speech and free as
>in beer?

It's clear to most of us.   And clear as well, to the customers of Redhat.

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#212796

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-08-14 13:24 +0100
Message-ID<20200814132456.89743c29da890a5e0b6ae624@eircom.net>
In reply to#212792
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:50:27 -0400
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:43:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >On 14/08/2020 13.10, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> >>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source
> >>>> vendors, why should they be problems for anyone else ?
> >>>
> >>> Makes sense.
> >> 
> >> What is an "open source vendor"?  Open source is not "vended", it is

	Substitute "supplier" or "creator" if you wish. But also consider
those rather large organisations behind such things as Firefox,
Open/LibreOffice, Xorg, Emacs ... Vendor seems an appropriate name and
common usage.

> >Vendor      : openSUSE  <===========================
> >Summary     : The RPM Package Manager
> >Description :
> 
> Is that supposed to be relevant somehow?

	A demonstration that the term is in use. I will grant you it is not
technically correct but the meaning is clear.

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#212797

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-14 08:31 -0400
Message-ID<rh6067$n35$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212783
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>
>>On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>> tools.
>>>
>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>
>>Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>>the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>
>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>> applications you need.
>>
>>Sure.
>>
>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager? 
>>>
>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>
>>Makes sense.
>
> What is an "open source vendor"?

Not the person you responded to, but I'd guess
Redhat, Suse, any distro provider that addresses the corporate
market and provides support?

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212812

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-14 13:37 -0400
Message-ID<ptidjf1pd04jmv19df6h65bpd9fosc28sn@4ax.com>
In reply to#212797
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:31:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 14 Aug 2020 06:43:28 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2020-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:41:32 GMT
>>>> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To begin with, Linux (and also Macintosh) do not have the tools necessary
>>>>> to remotely support and manage hundreds or thousands of PCs and their
>>>>> access to corporate network resources.  While they may be subject to the
>>>>> same weaknesses as other Microsoft products, at least Windows has those
>>>>> tools.
>>>>
>>>> 	So things like puppet, salt, kubernetes etc don't exist ? They work
>>>> just as well for desktops as for server farms.
>>>
>>>Very good point, and I'd like to add Ansible to that list. It is IMHO
>>>the most pleasant tool to manage configuration on remote hosts.
>>>
>>>> 	Your point about specialist software is a good one, applications
>>>> come first then you choose from among the platforms that support the
>>>> applications you need.
>>>
>>>Sure.
>>>
>>>>> Even if an ISV wanted to offer a Linux version of their software, there
>>>>> would be significant support issues.  Which Linux distribution?  What
>>>>> version?  Which shell, which windows manager? 
>>>>
>>>> 	None of these are problems for any of the open source  vendors, why
>>>> should they be problems for anyone else ?
>>>
>>>Makes sense.
>>
>> What is an "open source vendor"?
>
>Not the person you responded to, but I'd guess
>Redhat, Suse, any distro provider that addresses the corporate
>market and provides support?

In other words a systems integrator.

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