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| Started by | Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> |
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| First post | 2020-08-08 13:34 +0000 |
| Last post | 2020-08-11 23:20 +0000 |
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Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 12:16 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 16:23 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:41 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 16:21 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:38 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-17 12:47 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-08-08 16:14 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:06 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:46 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> - 2020-08-08 18:53 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 20:43 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 08:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 08:25 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 14:32 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:15 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 10:40 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-09 14:57 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:48 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 11:09 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 15:15 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-09 16:32 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 17:46 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:54 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 19:58 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 13:18 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:09 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:34 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-10 16:01 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 15:00 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:25 +0100
Re: EU, was Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 12:33 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-09 17:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:50 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 19:52 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 17:06 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 21:56 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> - 2020-08-10 14:48 -0500
Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 13:05 -0700
Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 18:19 -0400
Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:38 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:16 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-13 09:57 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 08:01 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 14:33 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 10:46 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 10:40 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 11:49 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:24 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:05 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:04 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-13 22:57 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-14 02:48 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-16 11:45 +0200
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 07:37 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-16 16:00 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-23 12:25 +0200
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:16 +0100
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 21:11 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-14 17:06 -0500
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 22:45 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:29 -0300
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-15 17:44 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2020-08-15 22:52 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-16 03:40 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 23:51 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over greymaus@smaus.org - 2020-08-15 07:44 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:04 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:18 -0300
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 21:15 -0400
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 17:08 -0300
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-15 07:56 +0100
Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-15 10:25 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 18:50 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-13 14:59 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:01 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:55 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:46 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-16 19:22 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 13:27 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 17:58 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:06 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 22:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-13 21:45 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:37 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2020-08-13 20:54 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 04:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:14 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 11:57 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:19 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 16:12 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:07 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 11:22 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:42 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 13:42 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:10 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:21 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 09:46 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 11:14 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 11:33 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:37 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:36 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:34 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:42 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:17 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-08-18 19:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 04:19 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:31 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:45 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:43 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:49 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:50 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:31 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2020-08-14 01:40 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-09-08 16:37 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:42 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:42 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 11:56 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 19:23 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:47 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-10-04 21:38 +0200
Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:28 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:33 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 17:16 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:40 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:22 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-08-31 23:17 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 01:19 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 04:40 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 20:21 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-01 01:55 -0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-01 09:36 +0300
Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:30 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 17:47 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 11:26 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 18:37 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:46 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-11 19:58 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 18:44 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 16:20 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-12 19:23 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 17:37 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 18:12 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 19:08 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:15 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:44 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:08 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:42 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:25 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:57 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 21:01 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 16:54 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 21:34 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 19:56 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 19:13 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 19:17 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:01 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-11 18:39 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 20:28 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:12 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:06 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:35 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 17:29 -0700
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 20:30 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:50 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 06:50 -0400
Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-12 18:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:50 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 15:56 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-12 15:26 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-12 15:41 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 17:47 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 09:41 +0100
Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 02:29 +0000
Re: Is the Eternal September over lawrence <lawrenabe@abaluon.com> - 2020-08-12 14:59 -0500
Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:20 +0000
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-08-14 17:08 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over |
| Message-ID | <87a6yx56t8.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #212824 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2020-08-14, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just don't think the pictographs have any place in our future
>> common written language.
>
> I wish I could agree with you, but I've seen too many pictographs
> worming their way into our culture over the past couple of decades.
> GUIs are accelerating the trend.
I forget the RFC numbers for these:
Windows Iconic Metalinguistic Protocol (WIMP)
Windows Iconic Droolproof Descriptive Language Extension (WIDDLE)
Cognitive Reassembler Access Protocol for Windows Applications
with Rebus Enhancement
Microsoft Iconic Canonical Reassembler for Ontic Cognitive
Enhancement of Proactive Heuristic Access to Linguistic Youthfulness
And since 2016, there's:
Translator for Rebus in Unix-compatible Mendacity Paradigms
ObFolklore: And to think, I learned about smilies in '63 from a friend
who had a summer programming job at MIT using a hard-copy terminal.
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 07:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over |
| Message-ID | <20200815075606.d42f1a06bd8feb7dc875aa4c@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212838 |
On 14 Aug 2020 17:08:35 -0300 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > ObFolklore: And to think, I learned about smilies in '63 from a friend > who had a summer programming job at MIT using a hard-copy terminal. MIT has a lot to answer for. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 10:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over |
| Message-ID | <hpprg2Fdt92U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #212855 |
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 07:56:06 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On 14 Aug 2020 17:08:35 -0300 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> > wrote: > >> ObFolklore: And to think, I learned about smilies in '63 from a friend >> who had a summer programming job at MIT using a hard-copy terminal. > > MIT has a lot to answer for. http://hacks.mit.edu/ -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <586694784.619029172.920127.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212727 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote: >> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >> >>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a >>>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why >>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just >>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages >>>> that you know? >>> >>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world >>> today? Certainly. >>> >>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that >>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural >>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be >>> unfortunate. >>> >>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, >>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger >>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different >>> places. >> >> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >> and counter productive. >> >> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. >> >> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, >> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). >> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. >> > > If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the > common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of > 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various > dialects), as opposed to 5% for English. > > Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the > language I already know. > Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology papers are in German or French, however. -- Pete
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 17:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hpla0bFfh6fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #212731 |
On 2020-08-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The
> educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British
> Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology
> papers are in German or French, however.
British Empire? Yeah, I guess that contributed, but I'm inclined to
assign much more of the credit to the current American hegemony.
Here in Sweden, I think much of it can be attributed to Hollywood. We
don't dub movies if they're for an audience old enough to read, only
subtitle. I think that does quite a lot for your average Swede's ability
with English. Quite possibly more than the mandatory English subject in
school does.
My own English was mainly acquired through computer use from an early
age (I was born in 1980). Yes, translated software existed even then,
but only in a certain few cases. There wasn't much you could do without
running into English.
Niklas
--
At last, a weapon that blows up and sucks.
-- Mike Andrews
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 18:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20200813185049.e8ffe4e271434ddecdc2dea6@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212738 |
On 13 Aug 2020 17:02:03 GMT Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: > On 2020-08-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The > > educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British > > Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology > > papers are in German or French, however. > > British Empire? Yeah, I guess that contributed, but I'm inclined to It got things started. > assign much more of the credit to the current American hegemony. Agreed, particularly American TV and films. Even here in Ireland with the UK right next door you hear more Americanisms than Britishisms. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 14:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2c1756ea-a1c2-4a79-9702-ce41c220953co@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212731 |
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:53:56 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote: > Dave Garland wrote: > > On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote: > >> Niklas Karlsson writes: > >> > >>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen wrote: > >>>> > >>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a > >>>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why > >>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just > >>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages > >>>> that you know? > >>> > >>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world > >>> today? Certainly. > >>> > >>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that > >>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural > >>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be > >>> unfortunate. > >>> > >>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, > >>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger > >>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different > >>> places. > >> > >> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak > >> and counter productive. > >> > >> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training > >> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of > >> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of > >> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". > >> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. > >> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. > >> > >> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, > >> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). > >> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. > >> > > > > If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the > > common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of > > 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various > > dialects), as opposed to 5% for English. > > > > Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the > > language I already know. > > > > Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The > educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British > Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology > papers are in German or French, however. > > -- > Pete That mention of 5% of the world's population speaking "English", contradicts what I gleaned from a book (circa 1985) on linguistics: There were more people in China learning English that the rest of the world who spoke English. __________________ Gerard Schildberger
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 23:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rh52bl$htl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212751 |
On 8/13/2020 4:59 PM, Gerard Schildberger wrote: > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:53:56 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote: >> Dave Garland wrote: >>> >>> If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the >>> common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of >>> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various >>> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English. >>> >>> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the >>> language I already know. >>> >> >> Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The >> educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British >> Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology >> papers are in German or French, however. >> >> -- >> Pete > > That mention of 5% of the world's population speaking "English", > contradicts what I gleaned from a book (circa 1985) on linguistics: > > There were more people in China learning English that the rest of > the world who spoke English. __________________ Gerard Schildberger That was "native speakers", what kids learn from their parents. A whole lot of people learn English, because that's an important language. Or has been, we'll see whether the faltering of American dominance continues. >
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjgpu9.abj.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #212771 |
On 2020-08-14, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 8/13/2020 4:59 PM, Gerard Schildberger wrote: >> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 11:53:56 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Dave Garland wrote: > >>>> >>>> If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the >>>> common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of >>>> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various >>>> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English. >>>> >>>> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the >>>> language I already know. >>>> >>> >>> Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The >>> educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British >>> Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology >>> papers are in German or French, however. >>> >>> -- >>> Pete >> >> That mention of 5% of the world's population speaking "English", >> contradicts what I gleaned from a book (circa 1985) on linguistics: >> >> There were more people in China learning English that the rest of >> the world who spoke English. __________________ Gerard Schildberger > > That was "native speakers", what kids learn from their parents. A > whole lot of people learn English, because that's an important > language. Or has been, we'll see whether the faltering of American > dominance continues. >> > Recent governments in India have been very Nationalistic, which means that among the large groups of people who can, speak English. An opinion of many Southern Indians I have spokn to recently. .
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-15 22:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrjgpdm.abj.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #212731 |
On 2020-08-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote: >>> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >>> >>>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various >> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English. >> >> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the >> language I already know. >> > > Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The > educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British > Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology > papers are in German or French, however. > Local 'chinese' speak, I am told, Cantonese. Sounds more arguementetive (sp?) that Mandarin.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-16 19:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rhcil4$uve$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212881 |
On 8/15/2020 5:46 PM, maus wrote: > On 2020-08-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>> On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote: >>>> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >>>> >>>>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various >>> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English. >>> >>> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the >>> language I already know. >>> >> >> Mandarin has a lot of native speakers, but few outside of China. The >> educated elites of just about everywhere speak English (thanks, British >> Empire), and it’s largely the language of science. A lot of archaeology >> papers are in German or French, however. >> > > Local 'chinese' speak, I am told, Cantonese. Sounds more > arguementetive (sp?) that Mandarin. > But the beauty is, the written language is the same. Well, assuming that both read "simplified" (PRC) or "traditional" (Taiwan). I didn't have a lot of luck having a Taiwanese try to translate labels from the picture in an Aliexpress ad.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1982062280.619028953.302297.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212726 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: > >> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a >>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why >>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just >>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages >>> that you know? >> >> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world >> today? Certainly. >> >> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that >> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural >> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be >> unfortunate. >> >> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, >> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger >> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different >> places. > > Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak > and counter productive. > > Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training > things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of > jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of > ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". > Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. > Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. > > If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, > incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). > There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. > That’s apparently what “jive talk” does. The construct “x be y” apparently expresses a continuing action, carried forward from african. (or something like that). x is y now, and will be for the foreseeable future. I’m not sure it’s the same syntax or something else that expresses a habitual condition. x is often y. -- Pete
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 13:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rh3t5g$cvc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212730 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes: >> >>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a >>>> blessing is that you like different languages? I'm curious, why >>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others? Or do you just >>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages >>>> that you know? >>> >>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world >>> today? Certainly. >>> >>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that >>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural >>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be >>> unfortunate. >>> >>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing, >>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger >>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different >>> places. >> >> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >> and counter productive. >> >> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. >> >> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, >> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). >> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. > > That’s apparently what “jive talk” does. The construct “x be y” apparently > expresses a continuing action, carried forward from african. (or > something like that). x is y now, and will be for the foreseeable future. > I’m not sure it’s the same syntax or something else that expresses a > habitual condition. x is often y. Well, the whole incident seemed bizarre to me. Here I was working in a communications company writing specs and designing systems and this guy was advocating a really vague form of communicating. Not that I'm against diversity. I don't mind diverse things that are improvements. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rh49tt02dp3@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #212726 |
On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak > and counter productive. But it's also Politically Correct, so it's gaining a lot of traction, even in places where it's demonstrably harmful. > Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training > things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of > jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of > ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". > Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. I think I heard something a while back about people trying to get "Ebonics" established as a valid dialect. Feh. > Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go. > > If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea, > incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before). > There's no reason for anything of value to be lost. English has been referred to as a "kleptolect". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 17:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rh4d1n$cq4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212749 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >> and counter productive. > > But it's also Politically Correct, so it's gaining a lot of > traction, even in places where it's demonstrably harmful. > >> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. > > I think I heard something a while back about people trying to > get "Ebonics" established as a valid dialect. Feh. Yeah, I remember that. Ebonics is just people playing with the language. IMHO, it might be fun but it's not productive. It reduces instead of improves communication. It's sort of like the way people in India pronounce English. It sounds to me like they're trying to "sing" the language. Back when I lived in the Bronx, I had friends with the funny Bronx accent. Thankfully, television sort of wiped that out. Now we all speak like mid-westerners, where my parents came from. Seems to me that's the best way to speak English. Clearly. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <627775283.619056405.676746.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212750 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >>> and counter productive. >> >> But it's also Politically Correct, so it's gaining a lot of >> traction, even in places where it's demonstrably harmful. >> >>> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >>> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >>> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >>> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >>> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >> >> I think I heard something a while back about people trying to >> get "Ebonics" established as a valid dialect. Feh. > > Yeah, I remember that. Ebonics is just people playing with the > language. IMHO, it might be fun but it's not productive. > It reduces instead of improves communication. > > It's sort of like the way people in India pronounce English. > It sounds to me like they're trying to "sing" the language. > > Back when I lived in the Bronx, I had friends with the funny > Bronx accent. Thankfully, television sort of wiped that out. > Now we all speak like mid-westerners, where my parents came from. > Seems to me that's the best way to speak English. Clearly. > “General American” accent, yes, clearly. Of course it helps that that’s also MY accent. -- Pete
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-14 10:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <90adjfl8daol2h2s7io5e3g8pv3lo9iu37@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212750 |
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:58:13 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak >>> and counter productive. >> >> But it's also Politically Correct, so it's gaining a lot of >> traction, even in places where it's demonstrably harmful. >> >>> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training >>> things. The speaker went on at length about the beauty of >>> jive talk. Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of >>> ideas depending on the inflection. I think it was "she be gone". >>> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me. >> >> I think I heard something a while back about people trying to >> get "Ebonics" established as a valid dialect. Feh. > >Yeah, I remember that. Ebonics is just people playing with the >language. IMHO, it might be fun but it's not productive. >It reduces instead of improves communication. > >It's sort of like the way people in India pronounce English. >It sounds to me like they're trying to "sing" the language. I have heard them. Its more like they are pronouncing British English like they pronounce their first language. The prominent syllable shifts from what we are used to. -- Jim
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 22:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20200813224106.6bf9584e37e44d848d4b66ee@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #212749 |
On 13 Aug 2020 21:05:01 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > English has been referred to as a "kleptolect". “The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” - James D. Nicoll -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1191138831.619056285.567695.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212752 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On 13 Aug 2020 21:05:01 GMT > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > >> English has been referred to as a "kleptolect". > > “The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that > English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; > on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat > them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” > - James D. Nicoll > I’ve seen this before, but lately I’ve been saving interesting quotes on my iPad, so, thanks. -- Pete
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-13 21:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mddd03ungox.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #212749 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training things. The
>> speaker went on at length about the beauty of jive talk. Showing how 3
>> words could express a multitude of ideas depending on the inflection. I
>> think it was "she be gone". Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me.
> I think I heard something a while back about people trying to get "Ebonics"
> established as a valid dialect. Feh.
Your political leanings are showing.
"Ebonics" is a name given more than a century ago to what is now commonly known
in linguistics as African-American Vernacular English, or AAVE. Just because
it was treated as a joke by nighttime comedians when an effort was made to
accommodate children whose native language was not American General Standard
does not make it a nonlanguage, or invalid, or whatever you care to deem it in
your perfection of mind.
The syntax, morphology, and phonology of AAVE differ markedly from AGS, in ways
which are easily described in the technical linguistic literature. Why don't
you actually research the question, instead of dismissing it from your
privileged position?
Oh, right. This is one of those newsgroups.
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