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| Started by | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| First post | 2016-02-21 09:13 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-02-27 10:17 -0800 |
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Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-21 09:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:23 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-21 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 17:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-22 01:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:00 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-22 16:43 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 20:49 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-24 18:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-24 17:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-24 19:30 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:20 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-24 17:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 05:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-25 10:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 04:31 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 15:53 -0800
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 21:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 14:55 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 20:18 -0800
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 05:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-26 12:15 +0100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:24 -0800
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:14 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-25 23:34 -0600
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 05:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-26 10:14 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 11:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 14:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-26 14:23 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 15:50 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 10:46 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 14:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 18:25 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:40 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:32 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 10:39 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:23 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 14:27 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 07:22 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-02 13:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 13:56 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-26 12:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-02-26 23:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-27 09:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-02-27 14:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-27 17:08 -0800
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-28 09:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-28 15:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-28 19:00 -0800
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-29 22:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-01 22:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 12:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-02 13:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-02 21:09 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-03 05:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-02 19:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 15:45 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 16:27 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-03 01:02 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 17:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-17 10:42 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-27 19:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:21 -0800
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-27 20:19 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-26 08:27 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:25 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 09:30 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 15:00 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 13:52 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 17:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-27 18:22 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-27 17:12 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 20:23 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 05:43 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 03:34 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 08:41 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-28 11:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-28 14:57 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:55 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-29 09:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 09:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 09:22 -0600
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 16:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 09:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 08:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:25 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:35 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:35 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-07 18:19 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-08 00:48 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:49 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-29 10:46 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 12:49 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 11:03 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 15:56 -0600
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:30 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 12:28 -0600
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-03 10:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-29 17:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-28 18:41 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 20:12 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:18 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 03:28 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:48 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 11:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 14:09 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-27 03:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 09:22 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-27 03:13 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:28 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-28 12:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 03:32 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 08:40 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 14:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-28 18:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 20:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 20:22 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 06:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-07 18:35 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 13:00 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:54 +1100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-29 10:51 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-28 22:06 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:01 +1100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-29 08:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 05:01 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:46 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-01 10:12 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:59 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:59 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 16:06 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 09:12 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:37 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:24 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 12:18 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 06:04 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 11:33 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 11:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-13 11:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:47 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-28 10:58 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:51 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 04:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 20:38 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:44 +1100
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:46 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:59 +1100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 09:56 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-28 22:53 -0600
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 06:44 -0600
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-29 14:02 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:51 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 11:36 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:58 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 10:16 -0800
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:28 -0800
Re: Qbasic Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 21:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:23 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:02 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:18 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 12:19 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-01 15:14 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:24 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:53 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:13 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-09 12:38 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-09 19:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 05:06 -0800
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 09:35 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 07:42 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:14 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-10 15:52 -0600
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-02 14:19 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 07:23 -0700
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-02 07:29 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 04:04 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-02 12:50 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 11:55 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 19:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:34 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 11:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 11:47 -0800
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-03 22:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:16 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-02 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 03:44 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-02 15:08 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:19 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:11 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 08:56 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-01 10:57 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:56 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-01 13:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:28 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:41 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 14:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:24 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 14:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-03-21 20:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 13:16 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-21 17:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 18:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 21:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 23:13 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 13:25 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-21 23:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-22 12:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 10:32 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 10:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:10 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-22 19:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 05:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 11:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-25 08:50 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-25 10:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:34 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 12:58 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 14:01 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-29 16:07 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 16:39 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 10:49 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 10:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-29 10:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-29 12:56 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 18:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:53 -0800
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 20:19 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-29 20:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-01 16:18 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 14:25 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-02 16:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 09:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 13:29 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 18:27 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 20:14 -0600
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 11:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-11 10:09 -0600
Re: Qbasic Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:21 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-11 10:28 -0800
Re: Qbasic Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 16:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 19:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-10 16:58 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 00:51 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 18:59 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-03 10:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 18:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-16 20:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:26 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 13:52 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:44 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 13:36 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 12:55 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-02 08:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 11:57 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 15:13 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-02 17:32 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 13:36 -0600
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 19:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 12:14 -0800
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 14:43 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 18:06 -0800
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 10:44 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 11:23 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:03 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 14:04 -0800
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 16:16 -0800
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 17:02 -0800
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 19:01 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-04 09:47 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-04 11:25 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-04 12:32 -0600
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-04 12:34 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-04 12:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:02 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-04 10:54 -0800
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-04 20:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-05 15:41 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 14:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 10:28 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 17:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 14:42 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 22:37 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 09:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 09:22 -0600
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:45 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-08 17:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-08 10:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 22:11 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 09:10 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 10:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 13:07 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 11:27 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 16:28 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-07 14:05 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-07 14:28 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 17:37 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 16:10 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 18:00 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:07 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 20:06 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:39 -0400
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 20:23 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:17 -0500
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 20:15 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 08:13 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-08 07:24 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 08:53 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-08 10:58 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-08 15:34 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-09 14:39 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 10:05 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-09 09:41 -0800
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:57 +1100
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-09 21:11 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 15:23 -0600
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:31 +0000
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 18:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 18:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-07 12:59 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 08:44 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 09:19 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-05 15:29 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 14:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 15:45 -0600
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-06 17:52 -0800
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 13:42 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 10:11 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-07 13:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 10:31 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-03 19:28 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:19 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-03 11:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-16 22:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 09:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 12:10 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 19:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 17:01 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-17 07:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-18 12:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:02 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 10:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-17 07:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 11:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 12:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-18 15:42 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 17:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-18 17:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 19:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-18 21:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-20 12:55 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-20 14:39 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-21 07:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-21 20:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-19 12:56 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-19 17:07 -0600
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-20 03:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 07:45 -0600
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-20 06:09 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 09:16 -0600
Re: Qbasic "John Akers" <ja5443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 04:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 13:21 -0600
Re: Qbasic "John Akers" <ja5443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 16:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 13:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 17:02 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 18:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-21 11:24 -0600
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 16:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-21 17:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 12:55 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:03 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 16:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 10:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 11:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-22 17:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-23 10:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-13 07:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-21 19:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:27 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 08:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-21 20:17 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 12:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:58 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 16:28 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-19 13:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-19 16:48 -0700
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-03-20 00:37 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-20 12:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 13:05 -0600
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-20 12:43 -0600
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 14:04 -0600
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 19:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 16:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 19:06 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:06 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 19:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 12:17 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 12:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 17:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 12:55 -0600
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-22 11:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 14:00 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 14:32 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 06:53 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:03 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 19:34 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 17:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 21:47 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-23 18:34 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 14:39 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-23 09:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-23 16:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 17:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-23 18:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:30 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-23 15:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:51 +1100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-24 01:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-23 22:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 19:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 14:29 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-24 13:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-25 12:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-25 09:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:14 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 12:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 07:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-29 13:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last,name.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:12 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 05:43 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 05:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 17:26 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 09:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:29 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:01 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 23:06 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:08 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 15:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-31 11:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 05:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 17:59 +0100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-30 11:01 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-30 15:13 -0600
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:14 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 15:53 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 20:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic pechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-04-01 16:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-01 12:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-29 14:05 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 09:41 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 15:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:07 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:22 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 16:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:45 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:06 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-29 22:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 17:29 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:19 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 19:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-02 13:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 15:16 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:58 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 19:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:13 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 09:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 21:19 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-31 11:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:38 +1100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-31 12:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-31 12:16 +0200
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:00 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-31 12:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-31 13:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-31 11:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:39 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:55 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:11 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-30 11:48 -0600
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 15:56 -0500
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:11 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-31 16:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 16:27 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 17:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-29 23:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-31 11:19 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 19:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-02 13:24 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 08:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 13:47 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 14:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 18:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-09 18:23 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 14:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:45 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 14:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:34 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-05 13:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-05 10:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:05 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-25 12:15 -0600
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-26 11:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-26 12:43 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 12:24 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:31 +1100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:24 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-28 15:53 -0600
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 21:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-25 22:48 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:18 +1100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-26 17:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-26 19:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-26 20:22 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 04:34 -0300
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-27 09:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-27 17:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-27 13:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 04:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-26 12:47 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:50 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:48 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 07:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 09:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-24 09:52 -0600
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 10:18 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-24 10:39 -0600
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 09:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 10:37 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 11:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 14:19 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-11 23:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 13:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 07:15 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:35 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 05:26 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-25 12:17 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:09 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 04:43 -0300
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-27 13:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 04:45 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-27 13:02 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-27 19:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-27 15:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-27 15:40 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-27 17:40 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 11:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 11:08 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 09:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 11:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 12:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 07:32 +1100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-27 17:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-27 15:53 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-28 13:29 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-28 12:50 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:34 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 21:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 13:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 14:47 +0100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 15:49 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:22 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:25 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 20:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-01 07:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-01 09:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-01 13:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-02 06:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:27 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 17:45 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-28 13:30 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 13:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 18:31 -0300
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 16:32 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 09:30 +0000
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 04:17 +1100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 04:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-28 12:50 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 04:30 +1100
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 11:01 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 19:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:31 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 00:42 +0200
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:41 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-28 14:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:30 -0700
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 12:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-29 20:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 16:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 15:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 09:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-23 19:58 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 06:45 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:07 -0600
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 07:20 +1100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-22 19:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 11:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-23 09:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 06:30 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 10:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 10:37 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-24 14:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 14:46 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-24 16:59 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 13:59 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:23 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-25 13:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:54 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-21 17:46 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-22 11:31 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-22 13:15 +0100
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 04:48 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:37 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-16 18:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 21:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 13:48 +1100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-17 00:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-17 09:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-17 10:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:16 +1100
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-17 12:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-17 06:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 13:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:22 +1100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-18 18:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-18 17:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 20:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-19 07:28 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 13:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:27 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 17:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 17:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-24 13:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 13:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:21 +1100
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 12:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-16 23:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:10 +1100
Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:07 +1100
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-03-04 21:45 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-05 10:50 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-03-06 13:52 -0800
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-29 09:04 +0000
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 14:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ncs6et$tdj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #161368 |
On 22-Mar-16 15:00, Osmium wrote: > The people I vote for do not speak for me, or reflect my thinking. If you vote for them, they _do_ speak for you, and in theory, you voted for them because they _do_ reflect your thinking. > they are chosen for me by others. I simply go down the list and vote > for the least harmful candidate. IOW, you're not voting for one guy but rather voting against the other guy(s). I suspect that majority of people are in that camp, but both Trump and Bernie seem to have amassed a large following of people who _do_ agree with them rather than thinking they're the lesser evil. IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. We would need to change our entire election system to fix that problem, and neither of our major parties thinks it's in their interests to do so. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 06:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dldm6dF6r80U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161369 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:ncs6et$tdj$1@dont-email.me... > On 22-Mar-16 15:00, Osmium wrote: >> The people I vote for do not speak for me, or reflect my thinking. > > If you vote for them, they _do_ speak for you, Even sillier than you usually manage. and in theory, you voted > for them because they _do_ reflect your thinking. Even sillier than you usually manage. Many vote for those they disagree with the least or who they think are less likely to do any harm. >> they are chosen for me by others. I simply go down the list and vote >> for the least harmful candidate. > > IOW, you're not voting for one guy but rather voting against the other > guy(s). I suspect that majority of people are in that camp, So your previous has blown up in your face and covered you in black stuff in a single post of yours. but both > Trump and Bernie seem to have amassed a large following of people who > _do_ agree with them rather than thinking they're the lesser evil. Irrelevant to how he votes. > IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the > inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. We would need to > change our entire election system to fix that problem, But get a much worse problem instead, that those with opinions that are only supported by single digit percentages of the voters get far more say on what happens than the number who vote for them justifies, because they end up with the balance of power between the major parties. And you inevitably end up with fragile coalitions with those microparties and one or other of the majors. and neither of > our major parties thinks it's in their interests to do so.
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 15:03 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dldmogF700nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161369 |
"Stephen Sprunk" wrote: > On 22-Mar-16 15:00, Osmium wrote: >> The people I vote for do not speak for me, or reflect my thinking. > > If you vote for them, they _do_ speak for you, and in theory, you voted > for them because they _do_ reflect your thinking. > >> they are chosen for me by others. I simply go down the list and vote >> for the least harmful candidate. > > IOW, you're not voting for one guy but rather voting against the other > guy(s). I suspect that majority of people are in that camp, but both > Trump and Bernie seem to have amassed a large following of people who > _do_ agree with them rather than thinking they're the lesser evil. > > IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the > inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. We would need to > change our entire election system to fix that problem, and neither of > our major parties thinks it's in their interests to do so. YES! I prefer ranked choice voting. But we haven't got a snowballs chance of getting it. Look at the 1992 results: · Bill Clinton 43% · GWH Bush 37% · Ross Perot 19% People disliked Bush, voted for Perot and got Clinton. I suspect that is how Teddy Roosevelt put Wilson into power, too, with his "bull Moose" party Anyone, of either party, who knows about 1992 is unlikely to ever vote for a third party candidate ever again.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 19:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ncso55$1p3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #161375 |
On 22-Mar-16 16:03, Osmium wrote: > "Stephen Sprunk" wrote: >> IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the >> inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. We would need to >> change our entire election system to fix that problem, and neither >> of our major parties thinks it's in their interests to do so. > > YES! I prefer ranked choice voting. But we haven't got a snowballs > chance of getting it. > > Look at the 1992 results: > > · Bill Clinton 43% > · GWH Bush 37% > · Ross Perot 19% > > People disliked Bush, voted for Perot and got Clinton. Yes, but Clinton turned out to be a pretty good President. > I suspect that is how Teddy Roosevelt put Wilson into power, too, > with his "bull Moose" party It was later revealed that Wilson's people had encouraged Teddy to run--with that exact result in mind. Trump has admitted that Hillary suggested he run; draw your own conclusions from there. > Anyone, of either party, who knows about 1992 is unlikely to ever > vote for a third party candidate ever again. There are folks who think Nader split off enough of Gore's voters in 2000 to let Dubya win; then again, Gore actually _did_ win Florida in the recount--after SCOTUS had already declared Dubya the winner. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 17:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c7e30b7e-9dd6-485a-8af3-1592fe5ef7aa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #161392 |
On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-6, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > Trump has admitted that Hillary suggested he run; draw your own > conclusions from there. Obviously Hillary couldn't have foreseen the consequences of a Trump bid for the Republican nomination... had she come up with the idea herself, it would just have been to suggest that he try politics himself to see it's no bed of roses. Oh, no: if there was a plot to destroy the Republican party and ensure a Hillary Clinton presidency, it must have come from a much higher source - the Secret International Cabal must have given the suggestion to Hillary Clinton! The same organization that made the stock market crash in 2008 so that Obama would become President! John Savard
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-22 21:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncsei802t5m@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #161369 |
On 2016-03-22, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 22-Mar-16 15:00, Osmium wrote: > >> The people I vote for do not speak for me, or reflect my thinking. > > If you vote for them, they _do_ speak for you, and in theory, you voted > for them because they _do_ reflect your thinking. They speak for me by definition, perhaps, but this is different from them sharing my beliefs. Remember that in politics, words have different meanings than they do in the real world. The word "represent", for instance, is a political buzzword meaning "to rule over". >> they are chosen for me by others. I simply go down the list and vote >> for the least harmful candidate. > > IOW, you're not voting for one guy but rather voting against the other > guy(s). I suspect that majority of people are in that camp, but both > Trump and Bernie seem to have amassed a large following of people who > _do_ agree with them rather than thinking they're the lesser evil. The number of people who support Trump is (IMHO) scarier than what he stands for - and that's scary enough. > IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the > inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. Not inevitable. We have multiple parties here in Canada. The effect of first-past-the-post voting is that all but the top two parties are marginalized. > We would need to change our entire election system to fix that problem, > and neither of our major parties thinks it's in their interests to do so. Changing our electoral system was one of the planks in Justin Trudeau's campaign. Time will show us whether he remembers that. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 18:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ncv90n$eu7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #161390 |
On 22-Mar-16 16:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2016-03-22, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 22-Mar-16 15:00, Osmium wrote: >>> The people I vote for do not speak for me, or reflect my >>> thinking. >> >> If you vote for them, they _do_ speak for you, and in theory, you >> voted for them because they _do_ reflect your thinking. > > They speak for me by definition, perhaps, but this is different from > them sharing my beliefs. Remember that in politics, words have > different meanings than they do in the real world. The word > "represent", for instance, is a political buzzword meaning "to rule > over". rep·re·sent ˌreprəˈzent/ verb 1. be entitled or appointed to act or speak for (someone), especially in an official capacity. That seems to be exactly what we're talking about. >>> they are chosen for me by others. I simply go down the list and >>> vote for the least harmful candidate. >> >> IOW, you're not voting for one guy but rather voting against the >> other guy(s). I suspect that majority of people are in that camp, >> but both Trump and Bernie seem to have amassed a large following of >> people who _do_ agree with them rather than thinking they're the >> lesser evil. > > The number of people who support Trump is (IMHO) scarier than what > he stands for - and that's scary enough. Actually, it's a minority (though plurality in most states) of GOP primary voters, who are a minority of the party, which is a minority of the population. So, while the level of support he _does_ get is indeed troubling, I wouldn't extend that to the entire population. What worries me is that he may not be quite scary enough to get the silent majority to actually show up and vote against him. >> IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the >> inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. > > Not inevitable. We have multiple parties here in Canada. The > effect of first-past-the-post voting is that all but the top two > parties are marginalized. 2015 election results: Party Votes Seats Liberal 39.5% 54.4% Conservative 31.9% 29.3% New Democratic 19.7% 13.0% Bloc Quebeçois 4.7% 3.0% Green 3.4% 0.3% We immediately see the plurality party is vastly overrepresented, giving 40% of the voters 100% of the power. The other 60% of voters have no power unless they build a coalition _at the ballot box_ by merging parties or, worse, engaging in strategic voting. With proportional representation, each party would be allocated seats based on the total vote, meaning each voter could pick their real preference and the parties would have to build a coalition _in Parliament_, which would actually represent a majority of voters. Granted, Canada has managed to hang on to three major parties despite such obvious problems; the same isn't really feasible in the US due to our elected Senate and the Electoral College. If we only elected the lower house, as you do, we could probably managed three as well, but it'd be at least as unstable as yours. >> We would need to change our entire election system to fix that >> problem, and neither of our major parties thinks it's in their >> interests to do so. > > Changing our electoral system was one of the planks in Justin > Trudeau's campaign. Time will show us whether he remembers that. It will be interesting to see. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-24 14:39 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dlh6b6F3gjsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161425 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:ncv90n$eu7$1@dont-email.me... > On 22-Mar-16 16:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2016-03-22, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 22-Mar-16 15:00, Osmium wrote: >>>> The people I vote for do not speak for me, or reflect my >>>> thinking. >>> >>> If you vote for them, they _do_ speak for you, and in theory, you >>> voted for them because they _do_ reflect your thinking. >> >> They speak for me by definition, perhaps, but this is different from >> them sharing my beliefs. Remember that in politics, words have >> different meanings than they do in the real world. The word >> "represent", for instance, is a political buzzword meaning "to rule >> over". > > rep·re·sent > ˌreprəˈzent/ > verb > 1. be entitled or appointed to act or speak for (someone), especially in > an official capacity. > > That seems to be exactly what we're talking about. That isnt what happens when you vote for a particular politician because it is the least worst candidate available. >>>> they are chosen for me by others. I simply go down the list and >>>> vote for the least harmful candidate. >>> >>> IOW, you're not voting for one guy but rather voting against the >>> other guy(s). I suspect that majority of people are in that camp, >>> but both Trump and Bernie seem to have amassed a large following of >>> people who _do_ agree with them rather than thinking they're the >>> lesser evil. >> >> The number of people who support Trump is (IMHO) scarier than what >> he stands for - and that's scary enough. > > Actually, it's a minority (though plurality in most states) of GOP > primary voters, who are a minority of the party, which is a minority of > the population. And we will see what happens when him and Hitlary are presidential candidates. > So, while the level of support he _does_ get is indeed troubling, Only if you are silly enough to believe that he will be able to actually do any of the sillier stuff he claims should be done. > I wouldn't extend that to the entire population. > What worries me is that he may not be quite scary enough to > get the silent majority to actually show up and vote against him. It is very far from clear that the silent majority even feels that way. >>> IMHO, this is the major flaw with a two-party system, which is the >>> inevitable result of first-past-the-post voting. >> >> Not inevitable. We have multiple parties here in Canada. The >> effect of first-past-the-post voting is that all but the top two >> parties are marginalized. > > 2015 election results: > > Party Votes Seats > Liberal 39.5% 54.4% > Conservative 31.9% 29.3% > New Democratic 19.7% 13.0% > Bloc Quebeçois 4.7% 3.0% > Green 3.4% 0.3% > > We immediately see the plurality party is vastly overrepresented, giving > 40% of the voters 100% of the power. The other 60% of voters have no > power unless they build a coalition _at the ballot box_ by merging > parties or, worse, engaging in strategic voting. > > With proportional representation, each party would be allocated seats > based on the total vote, meaning each voter could pick their real > preference and the parties would have to build a coalition _in > Parliament_, which would actually represent a majority of voters. And because the majors are so close, that inevitably means that the minor parties get a lot more say on policy than the number of people who voted for them warrants and you get very unstable government as a result too. > Granted, Canada has managed to hang on to three major parties despite > such obvious problems; the same isn't really feasible in the US due to > our elected Senate and the Electoral College. If we only elected the > lower house, as you do, we could probably managed three as well, but > it'd be at least as unstable as yours. The US has never been anything like as gung ho as Canadian voters have been at times. Particularly when they punished the party that at one time did form government by electing almost none of their politicians to office. That just hasn’t happened in the US. >>> We would need to change our entire election system to fix that >>> problem, and neither of our major parties thinks it's in their >>> interests to do so. >> >> Changing our electoral system was one of the planks in Justin >> Trudeau's campaign. Time will show us whether he remembers that. > > It will be interesting to see. It's not just what he wants to do, what matters is what is politically possible too.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1392488070.480434197.662589.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #161365 |
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: > scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >> >> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. > > aka > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > > google search on "political ad hominem attacks" > http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ > http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ > http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 > http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php > DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! -- Pete
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| From | JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 09:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1ma5fbdskkgo21vbvtdqldn52o087s2bu0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #161404 |
On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:00:48 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>> >>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >> >> aka >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >> >> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >> > >DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! He claims he is... opf course, he is a rabble rouser.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 16:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncug2v1108k@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #161409 |
On 2016-03-23, JimP <blue@cwahi.net> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:00:48 -0700, Peter Flass > <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >> >>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>> >>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>> >>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>> >>> aka >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>> >>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >> >> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! > > He claims he is... opf course, he is a rabble rouser. My wife describes him simply as "trailer trash". -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 17:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnf5l19.5ci.mausg@Smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #161411 |
On 2016-03-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2016-03-23, JimP <blue@cwahi.net> wrote: > >> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:00:48 -0700, Peter Flass >> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>> >>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>> >>>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>>> >>>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>>> >>>> aka >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>>> >>>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>> >>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! >> >> He claims he is... opf course, he is a rabble rouser. > > My wife describes him simply as "trailer trash". > Once again, back to the greeks, ancient https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue The thing is, not how Trump rose, but why, the corruption and inanity of the party bosses, the failure to understand ordinary peoples feelings, and frustrations. The feelings of helplessness in the face of happenings, and the obvious lies in the media. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 18:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncum330149i@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #161414 |
On 2016-03-23, mausg@mail.com <mausg@mail.com> wrote: > On 2016-03-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2016-03-23, JimP <blue@cwahi.net> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:00:48 -0700, Peter Flass >>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>>>> >>>>> aka >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>>>> >>>>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>>>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>>>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>>>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>>>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>>> >>>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! >>> >>> He claims he is... opf course, he is a rabble rouser. >> >> My wife describes him simply as "trailer trash". > > Once again, back to the greeks, ancient > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue That sounds like Trump, all right. I love the way the article talks about "a new kind of leader who emerged from the lower classes", which ties in beautifully with my wife's "trailer trash" assessment. (Yes, Trump came from money, but he got none of the refinement that usually comes with it.) Maybe a subsequent update will put his picture right under the one of Joe McCarthy. > The thing is, not how Trump rose, but why, the corruption and inanity > of the party bosses, the failure to understand ordinary peoples feelings, > and frustrations. The feelings of helplessness in the face of happenings, > and the obvious lies in the media. All too true. Yes, the game is usually rigged by those at the top, but the rest of us must share some blame for falling for their lies. It's not the first time someone has walked in and taken advantage of the mess. I'd name examples, but then I'd risk running afoul of Godwin's Law. Still, I can't resist pointing out that not only is the election in November, so was Kristallnacht. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-24 07:30 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dlgcniFs3j6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161414 |
<mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnnf5l19.5ci.mausg@Smaus.org... > On 2016-03-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2016-03-23, JimP <blue@cwahi.net> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 07:00:48 -0700, Peter Flass >>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>>>> >>>>> aka >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>>>> >>>>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>>>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>>>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>>>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>>>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>>> >>>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! >>> >>> He claims he is... opf course, he is a rabble rouser. >> >> My wife describes him simply as "trailer trash". >> > > Once again, back to the greeks, ancient > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue > > The thing is, not how Trump rose, but why, the corruption and inanity > of the party bosses, the failure to understand ordinary peoples feelings, > and frustrations. The feelings of helplessness in the face of happenings, > and the obvious lies in the media. IMO it has nothing to do with any of that. It's just another example of someone prepared to say what plenty of the voters want to hear, particularly with keeping mexicans and other hispanics out and the same with moslems. Whether there are enough of those to get him elected as Prez remains to be seen, but there may well be, particularly if Hitlary is the only alternative to vote for. And even if he does get to be Prez, it really doesn’t matter much, The mexicans certainly won't be paying for any wall and all Trump could do when they don’t is more bluster and bullshit. He's already said that Iraq was stupid, so it's unlikely that he will be doing anything like that himself. He'll just be the laughing stock of the world, just like Raygun was.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 15:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ncutcp$240$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #161404 |
On 3/23/2016 9:00 AM, Peter Flass wrote: > Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>> >>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >> >> aka >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >> >> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >> > > DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! Oops, looks like Lynn touched a nerve there :( Are there any Republicans who don't call themselves "conservative"? If you guys can't agree on a definition, how are us lefties supposed to figure it out? Dictionary definitions center on "doesn't like change" and "traditional values". Which in both cases leaves the starting point of comparison open. Change from the 1930s (Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression, protectionism, lynchings, the rise of a certain party in Germany)? The 1950s (Eisenhower, McCarthy, high taxes, sexual shenanigans only behind closed doors, massive military superiority because everyone else had been squashed by WWII, and we didn't buy stuff from China)? The 1980s (Reagan, Ollie North, massive military expenditures that weren't paid for, uppity women and gays and Blacks)? The 1850s (Millard Fillmore, straight-laced social values, Calvinist Christianity, slavery)? Or is it compared to some mythical America only existing in the land of the imagination? The 1950s, but where everybody lives in small towns, is of northern European extraction and knows everybody else, with white picket fences and no taxes, no Blacks who didn't know "their place", no Hispanics outside of farm fields, everyone was devout Christians (but none of that pansy "turn the other cheek" or "if someone takes your shirt, give him your jacket as well" or "judge not" stuff)? A place where everyone is respectful of authority because the authority figures always do know best?
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| From | "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-24 07:51 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dlgdtuFsd9sU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161421 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:ncutcp$240$1@dont-email.me... > On 3/23/2016 9:00 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>> >>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>> >>> aka >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>> >>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>> >> >> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! > > Oops, looks like Lynn touched a nerve there :( Or he's decided you are deaf. > Are there any Republicans who don't call themselves "conservative"? If you > guys can't agree on a definition, how are us lefties supposed to figure it > out? It's only lefties that bother with definitions in that situation. > Dictionary definitions center on "doesn't like change" and "traditional > values". Which in both cases leaves the starting point of comparison open. > Change from the 1930s (Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression, > protectionism, lynchings, the rise of a certain party in Germany)? The > 1950s (Eisenhower, McCarthy, high taxes, sexual shenanigans only behind > closed doors, massive military superiority because everyone else had been > squashed by WWII, and we didn't buy stuff from China)? The 1980s (Reagan, > Ollie North, massive military expenditures that weren't paid for, uppity > women and gays and Blacks)? The 1850s (Millard Fillmore, straight-laced > social values, Calvinist Christianity, slavery)? > > Or is it compared to some mythical America only existing in the land of > the imagination? The 1950s, but where everybody lives in small towns, is > of northern European extraction and knows everybody else, with white > picket fences and no taxes, no Blacks who didn't know "their place", no > Hispanics outside of farm fields, everyone was devout Christians (but none > of that pansy "turn the other cheek" or "if someone takes your shirt, give > him your jacket as well" or "judge not" stuff)? A place where everyone is > respectful of authority because the authority figures always do know best? >
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-24 01:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <b4obsc-5d2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #161421 |
In article <ncutcp$240$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >On 3/23/2016 9:00 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>> >>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>> >>> aka >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>> >>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>> >> >> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! > >Oops, looks like Lynn touched a nerve there :( > >Are there any Republicans who don't call themselves "conservative"? If >you guys can't agree on a definition, how are us lefties supposed to >figure it out? I call myself a conservative. In the tradition on Edmund Burke. An opponent to the French Revolution, but an adherent to the American one. "Change to preserve" is one motto. Not to be too hung up in the day to day transactions, but to defend the underlying moral principles. >Dictionary definitions center on "doesn't like change" and >"traditional values". Which in both cases leaves the starting point of >comparison open. Change from the 1930s (Herbert Hoover and the Great >Depression, protectionism, lynchings, the rise of a certain party in >Germany)? The 1950s (Eisenhower, McCarthy, high taxes, sexual >shenanigans only behind closed doors, massive military superiority >because everyone else had been squashed by WWII, and we didn't buy >stuff from China)? The 1980s (Reagan, Ollie North, massive military >expenditures that weren't paid for, uppity women and gays and Blacks)? >The 1850s (Millard Fillmore, straight-laced social values, Calvinist >Christianity, slavery)? I would call Eisenhower, Macmillan, Heath, Thatcher, and perhaps Hoover and Reagan, under doubt, conservatives. Fillmore, Hoover, MaCarthy, North were reactionaries. That is a far cry from conservatism. They did cross paths quite often, though. Like Nixon's (another very marginal conservative) saying about Pinochet; "He's a crook alright, but he's OUR crook". Pinochet was nothing like it. He was a military dictator of the pretty autoritarian kind. >Or is it compared to some mythical America only existing in the land >of the imagination? The 1950s, but where everybody lives in small >towns, is of northern European extraction and knows everybody else, >with white picket fences and no taxes, no Blacks who didn't know >"their place", no Hispanics outside of farm fields, everyone was >devout Christians (but none of that pansy "turn the other cheek" or >"if someone takes your shirt, give him your jacket as well" or "judge >not" stuff)? A place where everyone is respectful of authority because >the authority figures always do know best? You havent got a clue to what convservatism is about. Go read some Edmund Burke. Or Harold Macmillan. Or, even, Winston Churchill. (but he digresses about WW1 (where he didn't do very well) WW2 (where he did) and the Boer War (where he had a splendid adventure). -- mrr
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 22:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ncvn6n$hi0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #161428 |
On 3/23/2016 7:14 PM, Morten Reistad wrote: > You havent got a clue to what convservatism is about. ISTM it's a word that has been diluted into meaninglessness, at least in the US. Maybe in other parts of the world that's not so. Here, every Republican claims to be a conservative, and few are ever challenged on it. Here, it's difficult to separate the threads of conservatism, racism, greed, xenophobia (mostly directed at people who look different, not Norwegians), anti-tax sentiment, authoritarianism, militarism. (Not that those are all unique to the right, but our right seems to swallow them all.) Not being one, I don't feel the obligation (or have the competence) to suss out the subtle differences and judge which of them merits being called "truly" conservative. If they all want to be known by the same term, they all get painted with the same brush.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-23 19:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2116130262.480477304.545936.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #161421 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 3/23/2016 9:00 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>> >>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>> >>> aka >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>> >>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>> >> >> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! > > Oops, looks like Lynn touched a nerve there :( > > Are there any Republicans who don't call themselves "conservative"? If > you guys can't agree on a definition, how are us lefties supposed to > figure it out? > > Dictionary definitions center on "doesn't like change" and > "traditional values". Which in both cases leaves the starting point of > comparison open. Change from the 1930s (Herbert Hoover and the Great > Depression, protectionism, lynchings, the rise of a certain party in > Germany)? The 1950s (Eisenhower, McCarthy, high taxes, sexual > shenanigans only behind closed doors, massive military superiority > because everyone else had been squashed by WWII, and we didn't buy > stuff from China)? The 1980s (Reagan, Ollie North, massive military > expenditures that weren't paid for, uppity women and gays and Blacks)? > The 1850s (Millard Fillmore, straight-laced social values, Calvinist > Christianity, slavery)? > > Or is it compared to some mythical America only existing in the land > of the imagination? The 1950s, but where everybody lives in small > towns, is of northern European extraction and knows everybody else, > with white picket fences and no taxes, no Blacks who didn't know > "their place", no Hispanics outside of farm fields, everyone was > devout Christians (but none of that pansy "turn the other cheek" or > "if someone takes your shirt, give him your jacket as well" or "judge > not" stuff)? A place where everyone is respectful of authority because > the authority figures always do know best? > > Obviously I'm not an authority, but most conservative thinking seems to focus on individual liberty, with the extreme wing being called "libertarian". It's not so much a particular, although I'm partial to the 1950s myself, but supporting the principles written into the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. We want less government, and government interference with the individual. Most conservatives favor a strong military; the US is the premier superpower, we need to use our power to foster democracy and fight oppression. -- Pete
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| From | "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-24 14:29 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dlh591F39bvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161429 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2116130262.480477304.545936.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 3/23/2016 9:00 AM, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>>>> Most liberals attack the idea, not the individual. >>>>> >>>>> Most conservatives attack the individual, not the idea. >>>> >>>> aka >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem >>>> >>>> google search on "political ad hominem attacks" >>>> http://www.redstate.com/diary/ryuzzi/2015/09/11/donald-trump-art-ad-hominem/ >>>> http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/11/ad-hominem-politics/ >>>> http://www.clearerthinking.org/?_escaped_fragment_=the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0 >>>> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_08/the_ultimate_political_ad_homi031689.php >>>> >>> >>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE!! >> >> Oops, looks like Lynn touched a nerve there :( >> >> Are there any Republicans who don't call themselves "conservative"? If >> you guys can't agree on a definition, how are us lefties supposed to >> figure it out? >> >> Dictionary definitions center on "doesn't like change" and >> "traditional values". Which in both cases leaves the starting point of >> comparison open. Change from the 1930s (Herbert Hoover and the Great >> Depression, protectionism, lynchings, the rise of a certain party in >> Germany)? The 1950s (Eisenhower, McCarthy, high taxes, sexual >> shenanigans only behind closed doors, massive military superiority >> because everyone else had been squashed by WWII, and we didn't buy >> stuff from China)? The 1980s (Reagan, Ollie North, massive military >> expenditures that weren't paid for, uppity women and gays and Blacks)? >> The 1850s (Millard Fillmore, straight-laced social values, Calvinist >> Christianity, slavery)? >> >> Or is it compared to some mythical America only existing in the land >> of the imagination? The 1950s, but where everybody lives in small >> towns, is of northern European extraction and knows everybody else, >> with white picket fences and no taxes, no Blacks who didn't know >> "their place", no Hispanics outside of farm fields, everyone was >> devout Christians (but none of that pansy "turn the other cheek" or >> "if someone takes your shirt, give him your jacket as well" or "judge >> not" stuff)? A place where everyone is respectful of authority because >> the authority figures always do know best? >> >> > > Obviously I'm not an authority, but most conservative > thinking seems to focus on individual liberty, That is a quite different concept to conservatism. > with the extreme wing being called "libertarian". And so is that with its emphasis on minimising government. > It's not so much a particular, although I'm partial to the 1950s myself, I'm not with its very rigid attitudes to how things should be done and how you should dress etc in spades. > but supporting the principles written into the > Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Again, that's not really what a conservative is about, particularly in countries which don’t have a written constitution or any declaration of independence. > We want less government, and government interference with the individual. That's libertarianism, not conservatism. > Most conservatives favor a strong military; Not always, most obviously between the wars. > the US is the premier superpower, But that is a relatively recent thing, its only been true since the war. > we need to use our power to foster democracy and fight oppression. That worked REAL well in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam.
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