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Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall

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  Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-22 12:48 +0000
    Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2015-09-22 11:27 -0700
      Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-22 15:08 -0600
        Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 23:16 +0100
          Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-23 13:08 +0000
        Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-09-23 01:01 +0000
          Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-22 19:39 -0600
            Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2015-09-23 06:38 -0700
              Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-09-23 16:27 +0000
            Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Hendrik Boom <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> - 2015-10-06 00:41 +0000
              Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-10-06 19:36 -0600
                Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-06 22:47 -0400
                Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Stephen Thomas Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> - 2015-10-07 03:28 +0000
                  Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-10-07 03:41 -0600
          Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 04:03 +0100
            Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
        Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-23 13:08 +0000
          Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-23 12:47 -0600
            Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 14:15 -0500
              Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-23 14:17 -0600
              Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-09-23 21:09 +0000
                Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-09-23 22:56 +0000
                  Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-23 17:05 -0600
                Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-09-23 15:49 -0700
                Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-24 10:48 +0000
                Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-24 13:35 +0000
                  Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-24 10:51 -0600
                    Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-24 13:36 -0400
                      Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2015-09-24 12:06 -0600
                        Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:13 -0500
                      Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 11:36 -0700
                      Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-25 12:27 +0000
                        Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-25 12:57 +0000
                    Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-25 13:06 +0000
                    Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Hendrik Boom <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> - 2015-10-06 00:45 +0000
                  Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:09 -0500
                  Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-09-27 12:00 -0600
                    Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-28 13:43 +0000
      Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-23 13:08 +0000

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#151708 — Re: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2015-09-22 12:48 +0000
SubjectRe: 100 boxes of computer books on the wall
Message-ID<PM00052055637682BB@aca41a57.ipt.aol.com>
Louis Krupp wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2015 13:34:29 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>>ISTR hearing on the radio that the Smithsonian is collecting manuals
>>>>so that it will have a complete catalog of old hard/software docs.
>>>>Have you checked with them?
>>>>
>>>>/BAH
>>>
>>> I haven't.  I sent them a bunch of books a few years ago -- I'd say
>>> here's a list, tell me what you want -- but they said they didn't want
>>> any more.
>>
>>You might try again since the news item I heard was recent.  Someone
>>there may have a list of what is missing in the collection; it is
>>possible that the list is incomplete w.r.t. obscure OSes.
>>
>>/BAH
>
> Barb, you're a lifesaver.  I reached out to the Smithsonian, and yes,
> they do want at least some of these books and manuals.  Whether or not
> we can find a practical way for me to deliver them is an open
> question, but there's hope.

Fandamntastic :-).  There must be some government bus going from you to
D.C.

>
> (I might have mentioned that I contacted the Living Computer Museum in
> Seattle and the Retro-computing Society of Rhode Island offering to
> deliver books.  The folks in Seattle said "No, thanks."  I haven't
> heard anything from the people of Providence.)

I think there's also a collection in Connecticut but I'm not sure.

/BAH

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#151728

FromAl Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org>
Date2015-09-22 11:27 -0700
Message-ID<mts6ec$8t8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#151708
On 9/22/15 5:48 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:

>>>>> ISTR hearing on the radio that the Smithsonian is collecting manuals
>>>>> so that it will have a complete catalog of old hard/software docs.

Are you SURE this isn't the Library of Congress?
I don't know of anyone at SI collecting computer manuals.
LoC is, though.

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#151735

FromLouis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>
Date2015-09-22 15:08 -0600
Message-ID<pfg30bd0eec0nc9psuckkgh10i9bivebls@4ax.com>
In reply to#151728
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:27:13 -0700, Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org>
wrote:

>On 9/22/15 5:48 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>>>>>> ISTR hearing on the radio that the Smithsonian is collecting manuals
>>>>>> so that it will have a complete catalog of old hard/software docs.
>
>Are you SURE this isn't the Library of Congress?
>I don't know of anyone at SI collecting computer manuals.
>LoC is, though.

It's the Smithsonian.  They don't want 100 boxes of stuff;  I'm
waiting for them to tell me how many boxes they would be able to take.

I need to start cataloging what I've got.  It's going to take
approximately forever, but it's my only hope of finding a home for any
of it.  The Smithsonian, the Internet Archive...  Sounds like I need
to contact the Library of Congress, too.

Louis

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#151738

From"James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-22 23:16 +0100
Message-ID<mtsjsf$6s2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#151735
"Louis Krupp" <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:pfg30bd0eec0nc9psuckkgh10i9bivebls@4ax.com...

...

> It's the Smithsonian.  They don't want 100 boxes of stuff;  I'm
> waiting for them to tell me how many boxes they would be able to take.
>
> I need to start cataloging what I've got.  It's going to take
> approximately forever, but it's my only hope of finding a home for any
> of it.

To an outsider it sounds as though you may be expending a lot of 
yourself on this when you are only trying to give the books away. An 
institution that wants them should come to you! Maybe they should come 
and collect or pay for uplift by a courier.

Just some thoughts. Rather than do all the work necessary to catalogue 
them yourself could you lay them out and run a video camera across 
them - just the covers - so that people can see enough to make their own 
catalogues. If you put the video on Youtube maybe someone with Twitter 
and Facebook accounts could post about the books and include a link to 
the video. To avoid getting lots of individual enquiries you may need to 
be clear that the books are available only to institutions - and not 
give out your address until you had a taker.

BTW, thanks for looking to preserve the books rather than just dumping 
them.

James

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#151774

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2015-09-23 13:08 +0000
Message-ID<PM0005206A13D6132F@aca2e7b5.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#151738
James Harris wrote:
> "Louis Krupp" <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pfg30bd0eec0nc9psuckkgh10i9bivebls@4ax.com...
>
> ...
>
>> It's the Smithsonian.  They don't want 100 boxes of stuff;  I'm
>> waiting for them to tell me how many boxes they would be able to take.
>>
>> I need to start cataloging what I've got.  It's going to take
>> approximately forever, but it's my only hope of finding a home for any
>> of it.
>
> To an outsider it sounds as though you may be expending a lot of
> yourself on this when you are only trying to give the books away. An
> institution that wants them should come to you! Maybe they should come
> and collect or pay for uplift by a courier.
>
> Just some thoughts. Rather than do all the work necessary to catalogue
> them yourself could you lay them out and run a video camera across
> them - just the covers - so that people can see enough to make their own
> catalogues. If you put the video on Youtube maybe someone with Twitter
> and Facebook accounts could post about the books and include a link to
> the video. To avoid getting lots of individual enquiries you may need to
> be clear that the books are available only to institutions - and not
> give out your address until you had a taker.

That's a good idea.  Covers didn't contain the important info so a
shot of the copyright page might be better...or the preface which
should give an overview of the contents of the manual.
>
> BTW, thanks for looking to preserve the books rather than just dumping
> them.

Saving knowledge is a passion of mine.  I've seen too many people
take glee in destroying other people's work.

/BAH

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#151740

FromJohn Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Date2015-09-23 01:01 +0000
Message-ID<mtstkv$1eis$1@miucha.iecc.com>
In reply to#151735
I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in
California last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their
software collection, and that if you have manuals for interesting
comptuers that are *not* already in bitsavers, drop them a note.

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#151746

FromLouis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>
Date2015-09-22 19:39 -0600
Message-ID<4qv30bpqntvsce3p97ks31ggmqjjac67hl@4ax.com>
In reply to#151740
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
wrote:

>I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in
>California last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their
>software collection, and that if you have manuals for interesting
>comptuers that are *not* already in bitsavers, drop them a note.

Are we talking about Al?

http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Al,Kossow/

Al reads this group, and I know he's seen my posts.  If he were to ask
me to screen my stuff against bitsavers, and if he were to tell me
what happened to the items I loaned him for scanning thirteen years
ago (I sent a return envelope and priority mail postage, and one item
was an IBM 1440 autocoder manual that I'd had since high school), I'd
be more than happy to do my bit for the Museum.

If the Museum would like to give away the stuff they don't need to
scan, or even some of the other stuff once they've scanned it, I could
just bring whatever would fit on a truck.  It's about a three-day
drive from Boulder to North Shoreline Drive, and the local Penske rep
and I are on a first-name basis...

Louis

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#151776

FromAl Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org>
Date2015-09-23 06:38 -0700
Message-ID<mtu9sj$50v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#151746

> Are we talking about Al?
>

No, it was probably Marc Weber.
I was working downstairs in the scanning lab as he was showing
a group around.


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#151786

FromJohn Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Date2015-09-23 16:27 +0000
Message-ID<mtujtn$2ptl$1@miucha.iecc.com>
In reply to#151776
>> Are we talking about Al?
>No, it was probably Marc Weber.

It was Leonard Shustek, who I realize is not actually a curator.  He
mentioned that you were scanning stuff.

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#152283

FromHendrik Boom <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com>
Date2015-10-06 00:41 +0000
Message-ID<CMEQx.80653$_E1.59396@fx01.iad>
In reply to#151746
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:39:59 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in California
>>last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their software collection,
>>and that if you have manuals for interesting comptuers that are *not*
>>already in bitsavers, drop them a note.
> 
> Are we talking about Al?
> 
> http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Al,Kossow/
> 
> Al reads this group, and I know he's seen my posts.  If he were to ask
> me to screen my stuff against bitsavers, and if he were to tell me what
> happened to the items I loaned him for scanning thirteen years ago (I
> sent a return envelope and priority mail postage, and one item was an
> IBM 1440 autocoder manual that I'd had since high school), I'd be more
> than happy to do my bit for the Museum.
> 
> If the Museum would like to give away the stuff they don't need to scan,
> or even some of the other stuff once they've scanned it, I could just
> bring whatever would fit on a truck.  It's about a three-day drive from
> Boulder to North Shoreline Drive, and the local Penske rep and I are on
> a first-name basis...
> 
> Louis

I'd like to pint out that if they scan the books, make them available on 
the web, and then even destroy the books, they are not destroying 
knowledge, which is what you seem to be worried about.  They are 
replicating it and making it more available than ever.

And, for the record, one of the more efficient ways of scanning a book is 
to cut its binding off so you have a stack of loose pages, and then 
putting the stack of pages into the automatic feed of a high-end scanner.

So destroying the book is itself useful

-- hendrik

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#152365

FromLouis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>
Date2015-10-06 19:36 -0600
Message-ID<5ct81bded8jp176h9jiipd92qkvuth1m42@4ax.com>
In reply to#152283
On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 00:41:06 GMT, Hendrik Boom
<hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:39:59 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in California
>>>last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their software collection,
>>>and that if you have manuals for interesting comptuers that are *not*
>>>already in bitsavers, drop them a note.
>> 
>> Are we talking about Al?
>> 
>> http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Al,Kossow/
>> 
>> Al reads this group, and I know he's seen my posts.  If he were to ask
>> me to screen my stuff against bitsavers, and if he were to tell me what
>> happened to the items I loaned him for scanning thirteen years ago (I
>> sent a return envelope and priority mail postage, and one item was an
>> IBM 1440 autocoder manual that I'd had since high school), I'd be more
>> than happy to do my bit for the Museum.
>> 
>> If the Museum would like to give away the stuff they don't need to scan,
>> or even some of the other stuff once they've scanned it, I could just
>> bring whatever would fit on a truck.  It's about a three-day drive from
>> Boulder to North Shoreline Drive, and the local Penske rep and I are on
>> a first-name basis...
>> 
>> Louis
>
>I'd like to pint out that if they scan the books, make them available on 
>the web, and then even destroy the books, they are not destroying 
>knowledge, which is what you seem to be worried about.  They are 
>replicating it and making it more available than ever.
>
>And, for the record, one of the more efficient ways of scanning a book is 
>to cut its binding off so you have a stack of loose pages, and then 
>putting the stack of pages into the automatic feed of a high-end scanner.
>
>So destroying the book is itself useful

I'm open to constructive suggestions from the Internet Archive or the
Computer History Museum.  Sending anything to the CHM is contingent on
Al telling me what happened to the stuff I sent him back in 2002.

I still intend to catalog what I've got and then to get rid of excess
books that nobody is ever going to care about.  Structured
programming, object-oriented design, trendy stuff that was hot for a
while ... there might be a point in keeping one or two copies
somewhere, but I know I've got a lot of those titles.

Louis

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#152366

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2015-10-06 22:47 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1510062244130.6634@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#152365
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015, Louis Krupp wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 00:41:06 GMT, Hendrik Boom
> <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:39:59 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in California
>>>> last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their software collection,
>>>> and that if you have manuals for interesting comptuers that are *not*
>>>> already in bitsavers, drop them a note.
>>>
>>> Are we talking about Al?
>>>
>>> http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Al,Kossow/
>>>
>>> Al reads this group, and I know he's seen my posts.  If he were to ask
>>> me to screen my stuff against bitsavers, and if he were to tell me what
>>> happened to the items I loaned him for scanning thirteen years ago (I
>>> sent a return envelope and priority mail postage, and one item was an
>>> IBM 1440 autocoder manual that I'd had since high school), I'd be more
>>> than happy to do my bit for the Museum.
>>>
>>> If the Museum would like to give away the stuff they don't need to scan,
>>> or even some of the other stuff once they've scanned it, I could just
>>> bring whatever would fit on a truck.  It's about a three-day drive from
>>> Boulder to North Shoreline Drive, and the local Penske rep and I are on
>>> a first-name basis...
>>>
>>> Louis
>>
>> I'd like to pint out that if they scan the books, make them available on
>> the web, and then even destroy the books, they are not destroying
>> knowledge, which is what you seem to be worried about.  They are
>> replicating it and making it more available than ever.
>>
>> And, for the record, one of the more efficient ways of scanning a book is
>> to cut its binding off so you have a stack of loose pages, and then
>> putting the stack of pages into the automatic feed of a high-end scanner.
>>
>> So destroying the book is itself useful
>
> I'm open to constructive suggestions from the Internet Archive or the
> Computer History Museum.  Sending anything to the CHM is contingent on
> Al telling me what happened to the stuff I sent him back in 2002.
>
> I still intend to catalog what I've got and then to get rid of excess
> books that nobody is ever going to care about.  Structured
> programming, object-oriented design, trendy stuff that was hot for a
> while ... there might be a point in keeping one or two copies
> somewhere, but I know I've got a lot of those titles.
>
This is important work, tedious as it might be.

Last night out of curiosity I did a search on a book from Motorola about 
Phase Locked Loops, that I'd read about decades ago but never seen. It 
turned out there is a copy at bitsavers, so now I can actually see if the 
book has any contents that I didn't have through other data and 
application books.

Some really old and seemingly obscure technical books have appeared online 
because someone took the time to scan them. Some are books I've seen, but 
never had my own copy, some are just legendary technical books that I've 
only seen references to.

And we probably don't say enough about how we appreciate this work.

   Michael

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#152369

FromStephen Thomas Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com>
Date2015-10-07 03:28 +0000
Message-ID<mv23hq$t1j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#152365
Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 00:41:06 GMT, Hendrik Boom
> <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:39:59 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in California
>>>> last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their software collection,
>>>> and that if you have manuals for interesting comptuers that are *not*
>>>> already in bitsavers, drop them a note.
>>> 
>>> Are we talking about Al?
>>> 
>>> http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Al,Kossow/
>>> 
>>> Al reads this group, and I know he's seen my posts.  If he were to ask
>>> me to screen my stuff against bitsavers, and if he were to tell me what
>>> happened to the items I loaned him for scanning thirteen years ago (I
>>> sent a return envelope and priority mail postage, and one item was an
>>> IBM 1440 autocoder manual that I'd had since high school), I'd be more
>>> than happy to do my bit for the Museum.
>>> 
>>> If the Museum would like to give away the stuff they don't need to scan,
>>> or even some of the other stuff once they've scanned it, I could just
>>> bring whatever would fit on a truck.  It's about a three-day drive from
>>> Boulder to North Shoreline Drive, and the local Penske rep and I are on
>>> a first-name basis...
>>> 
>>> Louis
>> 
>> I'd like to pint out that if they scan the books, make them available on 
>> the web, and then even destroy the books, they are not destroying 
>> knowledge, which is what you seem to be worried about.  They are 
>> replicating it and making it more available than ever.
>> 
>> And, for the record, one of the more efficient ways of scanning a book is 
>> to cut its binding off so you have a stack of loose pages, and then 
>> putting the stack of pages into the automatic feed of a high-end scanner.
>> 
>> So destroying the book is itself useful
> 
> I'm open to constructive suggestions from the Internet Archive or the
> Computer History Museum.  Sending anything to the CHM is contingent on
> Al telling me what happened to the stuff I sent him back in 2002.
> 
> I still intend to catalog what I've got and then to get rid of excess
> books that nobody is ever going to care about.  Structured
> programming, object-oriented design, trendy stuff that was hot for a
> while ... there might be a point in keeping one or two copies
> somewhere, but I know I've got a lot of those titles.
> 
> Louis

Holy smokes, Louis. You're making a real meal out of this. The sentiment
behind what you would like to do is great, but this is starting to look
like attention-seeking now more than anything else. Take your books and
give them to somebody, somewhere. Stop prevaricating and grandstanding and
just *do*.

-- 
STC // M0TEY // twitter.com/ukradioamateur

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#152379

FromLouis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>
Date2015-10-07 03:41 -0600
Message-ID<u0q91bdc2v8tk2o2ti4ho68qspok8duupa@4ax.com>
In reply to#152369
On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 03:28:58 +0000 (UTC), Stephen Thomas Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:

<snip>
>
>Holy smokes, Louis. You're making a real meal out of this. The sentiment
>behind what you would like to do is great, but this is starting to look
>like attention-seeking now more than anything else. Take your books and
>give them to somebody, somewhere. Stop prevaricating and grandstanding and
>just *do*.

Find somebody who wants 100 boxes of old computer books, and I'll rent
a truck.  Deal?

Louis

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#151748

From"James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-23 04:03 +0100
Message-ID<mtt4lo$rsl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#151740
"John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> wrote in message 
news:mtstkv$1eis$1@miucha.iecc.com...
>I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in
> California last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their
> software collection, and that if you have manuals for interesting
> comptuers that are *not* already in bitsavers, drop them a note.

Why didn't you tell the CHM curator to contact Louis (via a newsgroup if 
necessary)? Since Louis is offering the books for free perhaps people 
should be approaching him. He seems to be doing all the work at the 
moment.

James

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#151766

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
Message-ID<428745238464695871.931259peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#151748
"James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> wrote in message news:mtstkv$1eis$1@miucha.iecc.com...
>> I was talking to a curator at the Computer History Museum in
>> California last week.  He said they're trying to beef up their
>> software collection, and that if you have manuals for interesting
>> comptuers that are *not* already in bitsavers, drop them a note.
> 
> Why didn't you tell the CHM curator to contact Louis (via a newsgroup if
> necessary)? Since Louis is offering the books for free perhaps people
> should be approaching him. He seems to be doing all the work at the moment.
> 

As I said previously, in my experience it's pretty difficult to even give
away books.

-- 
Pete

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#151773

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2015-09-23 13:08 +0000
Message-ID<PM0005206A0288825F@aca2e7b5.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#151735
Louis Krupp wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:27:13 -0700, Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org>
> wrote:
>
>>On 9/22/15 5:48 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> ISTR hearing on the radio that the Smithsonian is collecting manuals
>>>>>>> so that it will have a complete catalog of old hard/software docs.
>>
>>Are you SURE this isn't the Library of Congress?
>>I don't know of anyone at SI collecting computer manuals.
>>LoC is, though.
>
> It's the Smithsonian.  They don't want 100 boxes of stuff;  I'm
> waiting for them to tell me how many boxes they would be able to take.
>
> I need to start cataloging what I've got.  It's going to take
> approximately forever, but it's my only hope of finding a home for any
> of it.  The Smithsonian, the Internet Archive...  Sounds like I need
> to contact the Library of Congress, too.

If you catalog one box/week, you'll be done in 2 years :-).  that's
how I schedule myself when I have a big boring task to do.

/BAH

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#151795

FromLouis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>
Date2015-09-23 12:47 -0600
Message-ID<ess50blrpftdvkg5m16v3bu3e1sv2793kl@4ax.com>
In reply to#151773
On 23 Sep 2015 13:08:53 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:

>Louis Krupp wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:27:13 -0700, Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/22/15 5:48 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> ISTR hearing on the radio that the Smithsonian is collecting manuals
>>>>>>>> so that it will have a complete catalog of old hard/software docs.
>>>
>>>Are you SURE this isn't the Library of Congress?
>>>I don't know of anyone at SI collecting computer manuals.
>>>LoC is, though.
>>
>> It's the Smithsonian.  They don't want 100 boxes of stuff;  I'm
>> waiting for them to tell me how many boxes they would be able to take.
>>
>> I need to start cataloging what I've got.  It's going to take
>> approximately forever, but it's my only hope of finding a home for any
>> of it.  The Smithsonian, the Internet Archive...  Sounds like I need
>> to contact the Library of Congress, too.
>
>If you catalog one box/week, you'll be done in 2 years :-).  that's
>how I schedule myself when I have a big boring task to do.

My contact at the Smithsonian said that if and when I start sending
them books, I'm to send no more than one box per week...

Louis

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#151798

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2015-09-23 14:15 -0500
Message-ID<d6gc37Fg4b2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#151795
"Louis Krupp" wrote:

> My contact at the Smithsonian said that if and when I start sending
> them books, I'm to send no more than one box per week...

Well there goes the truck idea, down the drain.

With that in mind a friend of mine gave a lot of his books to the Univ of 
MN, they have a special interest in such things.  I am not sure if his 
contact was at the Babbage Institute or something allied to it.

http://www.cbi.umn.edu/

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#151805

FromLouis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>
Date2015-09-23 14:17 -0600
Message-ID<93260bl1d9hi35vkpt8h4vd14d1ra769e3@4ax.com>
In reply to#151798
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 14:15:49 -0500, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
wrote:

>"Louis Krupp" wrote:
>
>> My contact at the Smithsonian said that if and when I start sending
>> them books, I'm to send no more than one box per week...
>
>Well there goes the truck idea, down the drain.
>
>With that in mind a friend of mine gave a lot of his books to the Univ of 
>MN, they have a special interest in such things.  I am not sure if his 
>contact was at the Babbage Institute or something allied to it.
>
>http://www.cbi.umn.edu/

I've looked at their site, and it seemed as if their emphasis was on
oral histories and unpublished manuscripts and so on, but you're
right;  I need to send them email.

Louis

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