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| Started by | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 341 — 35 participants |
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General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-26 14:06 +0000
Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 14:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 16:02 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 16:24 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-04-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 14:21 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-27 01:36 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2025-05-03 14:46 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0200
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-03 20:56 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:18 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-05-13 09:44 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 18:59 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-14 15:38 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-28 02:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 07:54 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:31 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:43 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 21:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-30 17:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-05-01 05:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 05:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2025-05-01 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:47 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:50 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:31 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:44 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:53 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 09:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:25 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:13 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 12:37 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:43 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 09:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:01 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:06 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 23:09 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 02:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 09:52 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 22:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-14 03:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 12:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:58 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-02 00:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:39 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 -0400
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:18 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-05-05 11:15 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 11:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 22:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:34 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 11:21 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:37 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 03:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:15 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-03 04:44 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:02 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:07 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 13:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:43 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 00:40 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:25 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:35 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:18 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:43 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:07 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:59 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 20:16 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:33 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:57 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 18:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:25 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-07 21:38 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:07 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:17 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:14 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 19:02 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:42 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:48 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 01:19 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:33 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:31 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 18:43 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:16 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-10 03:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 18:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 21:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 00:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:34 +0200
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:01 +0000
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:50 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:23 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:24 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 08:28 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 23:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:25 +0200
Re: all the news that, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:05 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 04:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:16 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... maus <maus@debian.deb3> - 2025-05-05 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 08:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:34 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:02 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-06 14:06 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 16:37 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:59 +0000
California toll road infection Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-07 11:16 -0700
Re: California toll road infection Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-07 17:57 -0400
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 00:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:27 +0000
cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:33 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-11 21:19 +0200
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 01:29 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-12 01:34 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 13:15 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-12 16:37 +0000
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:36 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-13 00:38 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:18 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-12 07:42 +0200
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:27 +0000
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-08 13:35 +0000
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:28 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:54 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-09 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-07 18:44 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-07 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:33 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-21 20:05 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:19 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 20:46 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:13 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:31 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2025-05-22 07:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 23:29 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 03:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 07:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 10:55 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:03 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 17:03 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 10:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-28 14:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 15:11 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 19:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 21:58 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-29 22:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-04-30 15:40 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 07:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 18:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:52 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-30 02:14 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:31 +0200
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:05 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 12:58 -0700
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:35 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:52 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:44 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 14:43 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 03:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 11:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 13:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 17:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 14:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-26 18:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 14:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-26 20:02 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 21:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 01:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 03:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-28 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:36 -0600
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 01:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Oscar Toledo G. <biyubi@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 01:26 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 01:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv15uj$3rgrd$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230882 |
On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:39:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-01 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> Android *is* just a layer on top of Linux. > > A layer that hides Linux entirely ... Not really <https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis>. And like I mentioned elsewhere, it looks like Google is planning to expand this to allow something much more like a regular Linux distro userland.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 23:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m4pfelxr9m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230882 |
On 2025-05-02 11:12, Stefan Ram wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >> On 2025-05-01 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> Android *is* just a layer on top of Linux. >> A layer that hides Linux entirely, so what the result is Android, not >> Linux. The user doesn't have the control. The user can not run fdisk, >> edit fstab, change the boot options, whatever. The user is very restricted. > > Like a user working on a Linux system that someone else manages. Yes, that's about it. Kiosk mode. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 01:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv3qe5$2b8ii$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230908 |
On 2 May 2025 21:37:05 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>On 2025-05-02 11:12, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>Like a user working on a Linux system that someone else manages. >>Yes, that's about it. Kiosk mode. > > Well, UNIX and other operating systems were basically built so a few > pros handle the setup and a bunch of regular folks just use it. These > are users who are happy they do not have to mess with backups, install > security updates, or worry about fixing stuff, since the admins take > care of all that. That way, regular users can just focus on getting > their work done and head out at three. > > Hi! I'm the chatbot who translated the above text from German, and I'd > like to add that the original intent at Bell Labs was not strictly to > separate users and administrators, but to create a powerful, flexible > environment for programming and communal computing. The division of > roles between admins and users became more pronounced as UNIX spread > to universities and enterprises. More than a week later I'm still working on my new install. Today the printer kept spitting out garbage; apparently the system didn't recognize the correct printer type. I'd forgotten how much work I did tweaking the settings on everything.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 05:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7lnu9Ft7qdU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230908 |
On 2 May 2025 21:37:05 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>On 2025-05-02 11:12, Stefan Ram wrote: >>>Like a user working on a Linux system that someone else manages. >>Yes, that's about it. Kiosk mode. > > Well, UNIX and other operating systems were basically built so a few > pros handle the setup and a bunch of regular folks just use it. These > are users who are happy they do not have to mess with backups, install > security updates, or worry about fixing stuff, since the admins take > care of all that. That way, regular users can just focus on getting > their work done and head out at three. > > Hi! I'm the chatbot who translated the above text from German, and I'd > like to add that the original intent at Bell Labs was not strictly to > separate users and administrators, but to create a powerful, flexible > environment for programming and communal computing. The division of > roles between admins and users became more pronounced as UNIX spread > to universities and enterprises. Was that really a chatbot translation? That's a long way from the proverbial “The whiskey is strong, but the meat is rotten.”
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 19:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mddo6w9cln5.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #230930 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
> Was that really a chatbot translation? That's a long way from the
> proverbial "The whiskey is strong, but the meat is rotten."
In the proverbial story, regarding English -> Russian -> English,
s/whiskey/vodka/
I was first told this story in spring 1970 by the undergraduate adviser in the
linguistics department at UTexas (Robert D. King), who was reporting it from
his days at MIT.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 13:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vuvta7$2as59$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230815 |
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 23:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 12:24:11 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I don't think my bank does an app for Linux phones. > > You already have a “Linux phone”, as I pointed out. Uh, yeah...as snippy-mc-D points out, Android runs on Linux. Someone mentioned dc. I used a terminal emulator to see if my phone (Pixel 7) had it, but it only has bc in userspace. Probably something to do with POSIX. ( And finally got off my duff and installed adb on my Linux workstation, got the phone into developer mode, and used "adb shell" to get a shell on the phone. Was able to "pull" a video file that wouldn't transfer using PTP, possibly because it is over 2GB(?). Thought that file was lost forever, but I have it now. Huzzah! cheetah:/storage/emulated/0/DCIM/Camera $ ls -lS | head -2 | tail -1 -rwxrwx--- 2 u0_a228 media_rw 5096384945 2024-04-05 22:27 PXL_20240406_045251718.mp4 ) Anyway...the obligatory uname from the phone reads: cheetah:/storage/emulated/0/DCIM/Camera $ uname -a Linux localhost 6.1.99-android14-11-gd7dac4b14270-ab12946699 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 21 13:39:43 UTC 2025 aarch64 Toybox -- -Scott System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.4 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 13:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <JqpQP.3042126$t84d.1259308@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #230766 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >On 2025-04-30 00:30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:44:56 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2025-04-29 04:31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> Instead of a calculator app, I have Jupyter running all the time on my >>>> main machine. I open a scratch notebook, and use that for quick >>>> calculations, by typing just a few lines of Python code. >>> >>> I can not carry it in my pocket. >> >> You will >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/your-android-phone-will-run-debian-linux-soon-like-some-pixels-already-can/>. > >I'm not sure that thing will catch. There is an ecosystem of apps people >want to run on their phones and not on the computers. I have no use for >the current Linux tools on my phone. ssh would be a useful tool on the phone. Without having to download some who-knows-how-insecure-version from an app store.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 23:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <o54delxobs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230784 |
On 2025-04-30 15:18, Scott Lurndal wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >> On 2025-04-30 00:30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:44:56 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-04-29 04:31, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Instead of a calculator app, I have Jupyter running all the time on my >>>>> main machine. I open a scratch notebook, and use that for quick >>>>> calculations, by typing just a few lines of Python code. >>>> >>>> I can not carry it in my pocket. >>> >>> You will >>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/your-android-phone-will-run-debian-linux-soon-like-some-pixels-already-can/>. >> >> I'm not sure that thing will catch. There is an ecosystem of apps people >> want to run on their phones and not on the computers. I have no use for >> the current Linux tools on my phone. > > ssh would be a useful tool on the phone. Without having to download > some who-knows-how-insecure-version from an app store. Maybe. I tried, but I found very difficult to use an emulated terminal even in a tablet, which is bigger than a phone. Cumbersome. When I want to use ssh and not at home, I use a laptop with proper Linux. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-05 11:15 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <sm0ikmfh3rl.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> |
| In reply to | #230867 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > Maybe. I tried, but I found very difficult to use an emulated terminal > even in a tablet, which is bigger than a phone. Cumbersome. When I > want to use ssh and not at home, I use a laptop with proper Linux. I don't know, with a keyboard it should be fine but then, if you're lugging around a keyboard and a tablet, why not go with a laptop anyways? Especially now that laptops have gotten thinner and lighter. To be sure, when I use ssh on my phone it's usually to just log in and run a single command, typically just systemctl suspend to put some home server or another to sleep. Or power off. Or reboot if there's a kernel update. I remember years ago some software dev made some blog posts about how he put all his work on an ipad when they were new-ish. Basically all he needed was email, a web browser to access his company's bug tracker and a terminal emulator and ssh to a VPS. I remember he wrote a lot about the terminal setup and his workflow, I think it involved a lot of customization of tmux and vim I think, not sure any more. This VPS part was weird to me, apparently he just rented one and developed on there and he didn't seem to be developing FOSS. But he was very happy with his setup and I think his main point was that in that point of time an ipad beat laptops in weight and battery life easily. I remember he also pointed out he could easily connect the ipad to a large display for code reviews and such.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-28 11:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn100uqq2.860u.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #230693 |
On 2025-04-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > [pocket calculator came with a] > begging letter from the VFW so I assume it was cheaper than the calendars > they used to send. I had to actually buy a calendar this year; times must > be tough when the charity beggars don't even send trinkets. How is that possible? Every year (including 2024) I get about 20, beginning in June. I hate to throw them out, but I can't even give them away at church - seemingly everyone gets a similar stack. At least the calendars can go in the paper recycle barrel, unlike the socks, paper knives and "dreamcatchers" that come from other groups. I tried to use the return envelope to send a letter to please stop sending me stuff (and not send money), but it has had no effect. I also asked them to send me no more than one letter per year, but that only increased the flow rate. How did you get off the lists? -- Lars P
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-28 19:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7a4isF3kluU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230699 |
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:49:22 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > How is that possible? Every year (including 2024) I get about 20, > beginning in June. I hate to throw them out, but I can't even give them > away at church - seemingly everyone gets a similar stack. I guess I'm not on the right lists. > I tried to use the return envelope to send a letter to please stop > sending me stuff (and not send money), but it has had no effect. I also > asked them to send me no more than one letter per year, but that only > increased the flow rate. How did you get off the lists? The USPS needs something to do to say nothing of Grizzly Disposal. I do sometimes send money to the local food bank but they have an annoying way of escalating. I think it all starts with asking for $25, then $50, $100, and so forth. I think the last 'suggested' donation was $1000, unless you want to go on the easy monthly drip plan.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-29 22:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XOcQP.1831594$SZca.1623220@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #230706 |
On 2025-04-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:49:22 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> How is that possible? Every year (including 2024) I get about 20, >> beginning in June. I hate to throw them out, but I can't even give them >> away at church - seemingly everyone gets a similar stack. > > I guess I'm not on the right lists. > >> I tried to use the return envelope to send a letter to please stop >> sending me stuff (and not send money), but it has had no effect. I also >> asked them to send me no more than one letter per year, but that only >> increased the flow rate. How did you get off the lists? I once saw an item on TV about a fellow who decided that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. He lived in Denver and heated his home with a wood stove. He deliberately signed up on as many junk mail lists as he even could. The article showed him organizing lists of junk mail sources on an Apple II. He was receiving stuff by the bagload, all of which went straight into the fireplace and cut his heating bill. > The USPS needs something to do to say nothing of Grizzly Disposal. I do > sometimes send money to the local food bank but they have an annoying way > of escalating. I think it all starts with asking for $25, then $50, $100, > and so forth. I think the last 'suggested' donation was $1000, unless you > want to go on the easy monthly drip plan. We once tried subscribing to KCTS 9, the public TV station in Seattle. As the anniversary date approached, we were inundated with renewal pitches. We just gritted our teeth and rode it out for the six months or so that it took for the flow to stop - and we never subscribed again. It's too bad - we wanted to support them, but the pitches were just getting too obnoxious. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 01:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7db19Fiq56U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230742 |
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 22:56:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I once saw an item on TV about a fellow who decided that if you can't > beat 'em, join 'em. He lived in Denver and heated his home with a wood > stove. He deliberately signed up on as many junk mail lists as he even > could. The article showed him organizing lists of junk mail sources on > an Apple II. He was receiving stuff by the bagload, all of which went > straight into the fireplace and cut his heating bill. I have a neighbor who heats with wood. I doubt he is that organized but the aroma wafting my way suggests he's burning something other than pine or larch. Some of those 'gifts' like mittens and cheap plastic tote sacks are pretty ripe when they're burning. > We once tried subscribing to KCTS 9, the public TV station in Seattle. > As the anniversary date approached, we were inundated with renewal > pitches. > We just gritted our teeth and rode it out for the six months or so that > it took for the flow to stop - and we never subscribed again. It's too > bad - we wanted to support them, but the pitches were just getting too > obnoxious. About the only OTA TV I watch is PBS on Saturday night for Austin City Limits or a local music show. I can always tell when begging season starts when they roll out 'Willie Nelson's 90th Birthday Party' or some other interesting stuff broken by begging that would embarrass Jerry Lewis 20 hours into his Labor Day telehton. Like you I leech off the 'supporters just like you' because I know what ever calling that phone number will lead to.
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-04-29 22:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Drc*jafbA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #230693 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > The Casio fx-CG50 is a color calculator and a step up but a couple of the > bullet points on the Amazon page are > > "EXAM-APPROVED – Approved for use in AP, SAT, ACT, IB, and other > standardized exams, making it a reliable choice for students." > > "USER-FRIENDLY DISPLAY – Natural Textbook Display℠ shows expressions and > results exactly as they appear in textbooks, simplifying writing and > interpreting complex math." > > > Quite a few reviews mention how useful it is in a Pre-Calc class, whatever > that consists of and there is one by a high school teacher comparing it to > the TI. > > I'm sure other people use them but they seem to be widely used in schools. > Not sure how I survived with paper, pencil, and a book of six place > tables. Yes, that point is to have a standardised calculator you can use in exams. Depending on what the exam is testing, you want to offer the student some degree of calculation support (not having to do long division or square roots by hand) but at the same time not having the calculator do all the work so they don't need to think. The point of the test is not because the examiner doesn't know the answers, but to test the candidate's methodology. Outside the exam the student is free to use fancier tools to do the work for them. This is why schools often stipulate that you must use brand X model Y calculator, so every student is using identical hardware and they can be graded against each other. Also, in some cases it's nicer to hammer out digits on a purpose-built calculator keypad than on a touchscreen or an QWERTY keyboard without numpad. Theo
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-29 22:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vurk5o$2pskn$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230735 |
On 29 Apr 2025 22:09:57 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote: > This is why schools often stipulate that you must use brand X model Y > calculator, so every student is using identical hardware and they can be > graded against each other. That would only make sense if there were such a thing as an “open standard” calculator that could be sourced from multiple competing vendors. Mandating the use of a product proprietary to one supplier is just asking for trouble.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <g_cQP.148503$oJg.132952@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #230740 |
On 2025-04-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On 29 Apr 2025 22:09:57 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote: > >> This is why schools often stipulate that you must use brand X model Y >> calculator, so every student is using identical hardware and they can be >> graded against each other. > > That would only make sense if there were such a thing as an “open > standard” calculator that could be sourced from multiple competing > vendors. > > Mandating the use of a product proprietary to one supplier is just asking > for trouble. On the other hand, today it's just standard marketing practice. Replace "calculator" above with "web browser", for instance. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-29 23:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vurmra$2rr6o$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230743 |
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 23:09:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-04-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On 29 Apr 2025 22:09:57 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote: >> >>> This is why schools often stipulate that you must use brand X model Y >>> calculator, so every student is using identical hardware and they can be >>> graded against each other. >> >> That would only make sense if there were such a thing as an “open >> standard” calculator that could be sourced from multiple competing >> vendors. >> >> Mandating the use of a product proprietary to one supplier is just asking >> for trouble. > > On the other hand, today it's just standard marketing practice. > Replace "calculator" above with "web browser", for instance. All the good web browsers are open source.
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| From | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 03:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vus6n5$3davg$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230746 |
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 23:20:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 23:09:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-04-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 29 Apr 2025 22:09:57 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote: >>> >>>> This is why schools often stipulate that you must use brand X model Y >>>> calculator, so every student is using identical hardware and they can >>>> be graded against each other. >>> >>> That would only make sense if there were such a thing as an “open >>> standard” calculator that could be sourced from multiple competing >>> vendors. >>> >>> Mandating the use of a product proprietary to one supplier is just >>> asking for trouble. >> >> On the other hand, today it's just standard marketing practice. >> Replace "calculator" above with "web browser", for instance. > > All the good web browsers are open source. Open Source sounds great, but for any project of any size (and some a lot smaller) it's tricky to get the build environment correct. I've tried to play with a couple of things, but there were just so many dependencies I gave up - compilers for various languages, lots of dependent libraries, etc. everything at the correct version. The days when all you needed was a C compiler are long gone.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 07:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vusiq9$3ohsq$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230762 |
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 03:51:02 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software wrote: > Open Source sounds great, but for any project of any size (and some a > lot smaller) it's tricky to get the build environment correct. Remember that it’s a task that all the distro maintainers have got down to pretty much a routine by now. On Debian (and derivatives) you can even build your own versions of the standard packages, using the same tools the maintainers themselves use. Start with “apt-get build-dep” to install the necessary build dependencies for a particular project.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <h6sQP.2752845$OrR5.1643694@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #230762 |
On 2025-04-30, Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 23:20:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 23:09:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2025-04-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Mandating the use of a product proprietary to one supplier is just >>>> asking for trouble. >>> >>> On the other hand, today it's just standard marketing practice. >>> Replace "calculator" above with "web browser", for instance. >> >> All the good web browsers are open source. > > Open Source sounds great, but for any project of any size (and some a lot > smaller) it's tricky to get the build environment correct. Also, in the case of web browsers, HTML has become so immensely complex that many open-source projects (e.g. Seamonkey) can't keep up. I suspect this isn't an accident - consider the number of web sites where if you're not using Edge, it's "Back of the bus, boy!" -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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