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  Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 20:57 +0100
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-05 20:40 +0000
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-05 22:44 +0100
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-08 21:10 +0000
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-05 22:50 +0000
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 19:35 -0400
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-06 07:12 +0100
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-02 09:36 -0700
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 19:05 +0100
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-02 21:44 +0100
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 22:16 +0100
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-07-03 00:57 +0000
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-02 23:05 -0500
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Fred Weigel <fridtjof.martin.weigel@gmail.com> - 2021-07-02 16:03 -0700
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-03 17:35 +0000
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-04 08:35 +0100
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 11:28 -0700
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-02 23:28 +0000
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-03 10:21 +0100
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-03 22:16 +0000
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-03 21:07 -0400
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-03 18:40 -0700
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-06 04:36 -0700
                    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-07-06 17:42 +0100
                    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-06 16:52 +0000
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-06 04:34 -0700
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:59 -0700
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 22:07 -0400
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 06:30 -0700
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-06 10:02 -0400
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-09-06 17:47 +0300
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-06 08:12 +0000
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-09-11 08:22 +0000
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 16:23 +0100
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 16:19 +0100
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 22:51 +0000
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-05 17:01 -0600
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 08:23 +0000
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-06 20:03 +0000
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-06 17:26 -0600
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 16:20 +0100
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 11:14 -0700
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-07 05:27 +0000
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-07 08:32 +0000
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-07 11:01 +0100
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-07 10:28 -0700
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 13:50 -0400
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 22:48 +0000
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-07 10:58 +0100
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-07 17:47 +0100
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-07 18:02 +0100
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-07 20:57 +0000
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 13:44 -0400
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 00:05 +0100
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 19:40 -0400
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 01:33 +0100
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:39 -0400
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 11:01 +0000
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 14:42 +0100
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 10:28 -0400
                    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 08:44 -0700
                    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 16:48 +0100
                      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 12:12 -0400
                        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:33 +0100
                          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 13:47 -0400
                            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 19:49 +0100
                              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:35 -0400
                    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-08 20:01 -0300
                      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 20:16 -0400
                        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-09 03:50 -0300
                          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-09 17:20 +0000
                            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-10 03:29 -0300
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-08 09:20 -0600
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:39 +0000
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-08 12:01 -0600
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-09 17:59 +0300
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 11:54 -0400
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:18 +0100
                    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 19:44 +0100
            Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-08 01:27 +0000
              Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:54 -0400
                Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 08:44 -0700
                  Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 16:01 +0000
                    Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 09:33 -0700
              Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 08:44 -0700
                Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:00 +0100
                  Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 09:33 -0700
                    Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 13:41 -0400
                      Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 19:37 +0100
                        Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:31 -0400
                          Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 22:54 +0100
                            Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:09 -0400
                              Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 23:18 +0100
                                Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 20:10 -0400
                                  Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-09 09:41 +0000
                                    Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 08:34 -0400
                                      Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-09 12:43 +0000
                                  Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-09 13:29 +0100
                                    Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 08:44 -0400
                                Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 18:31 +0000
                                  Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 15:49 -0400
                                    Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 20:41 +0000
                                      Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 17:32 -0400
                                        Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-10 05:17 +0000
                                          Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 12:15 +0100
                                          Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 11:51 +0000
                                            Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 14:40 +0100
                                              Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 17:39 +0100
                                                Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 18:03 +0100
                                      Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:45 +0000
                                        Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 12:02 -0400
                                          Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 17:35 +0100
                                  Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:05 +0100
                                  Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 16:55 -0700
                                    Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:48 +0000
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:38 +0000
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 02:29 +0000
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:53 +0100
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 17:43 -0400
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 23:00 +0100
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-02 07:10 -0700
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 16:32 +0100
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-03 04:10 -0700
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-08 01:01 -0700
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-07-08 11:36 +0100
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-07-08 16:01 -0400
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-08 15:01 -0700
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-08 22:45 +0000
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-08 19:30 -0400
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-08 21:02 -0500
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-07-08 12:09 +0000
          Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-08 13:44 +0100
            Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-07-08 12:49 +0000
              Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-08 13:53 +0100
                Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-08 14:17 +0100
                  Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-08 22:00 +0100
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-08 13:56 +0000
      Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Daniel Jendinger <hexabit@daniels-mac-mini2.local> - 2021-09-06 18:56 +0000
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 17:27 -0400
        Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 22:30 +0100
    Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-02 09:29 -0700

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#218241

On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
> provided products to help you control your computer, but 
> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
> computer. 
> 
> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
> I buy will be LINUX based. 
.
It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
.
DR DOS 6 was superior.
It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
compared to Windows 3.1.
For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
caused the complete loss of the document.
Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
Later versions didn't.
Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
that used to be provided in XP.

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#218242

On 02/07/2021 15:10, Robin Vowels wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>> computer.
>>
>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>> I buy will be LINUX based.
> .
> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
> .
> DR DOS 6 was superior.
> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
> compared to Windows 3.1.
> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
> caused the complete loss of the document.
> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
> Later versions didn't.
> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
> that used to be provided in XP.

You must be bored with the COVID lockdown if you're desperately
scanning for things posted 10 months ago !!  :-)

Having cut my teeth on a naked PDP11/20 in assembler 50 years
ago this month I regret that I'm never going to be happy with
any computer system where I don't have information on all
software from the reset vector (or its equivalent) upwards.

This caused me a bit of grief on one safety-critical contract
where I wished to drill down to check the effect my proposed
changes would have on the rest of the system but I was denied
access to examine the source code of a signed-off object class.

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#218261

On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 1:32:45 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
> On 02/07/2021 15:10, Robin Vowels wrote: 
> > On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote: 
> >> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
> >> provided products to help you control your computer, but 
> >> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
> >> computer. 
> >> 
> >> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
> >> I buy will be LINUX based. 
> > . 
> > It started with MS DOS around v. 5. 
> > . 
> > DR DOS 6 was superior. 
> > It went seriously wrong with Windows 6. 
> > Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs. 
> > For example some of the numeric values of characters changed 
> > compared to Windows 3.1. 
> > For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6 
> > caused the complete loss of the document. 
> > Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word. 
> > Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically. 
> > Later versions didn't. 
> > Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies 
> > tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities 
> > that used to be provided in XP.
.
> You must be bored with the COVID lockdown if you're desperately 
> scanning for things posted 10 months ago !! :-) 
.
The editor of Silicon Chip (July 2021 issue) devoted an entire page
to the Microsoft problem.

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#218302

On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote: 
> > With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
> > provided products to help you control your computer, but 
> > with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
> > computer.
> > 
> > W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
> > I buy will be LINUX based.
> . 
> It started with MS DOS around v. 5. 
> . 
> DR DOS 6 was superior. 
> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6. 
> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs. 
> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed 
> compared to Windows 3.1. 
> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6 
> caused the complete loss of the document. 
> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word. 
> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically. 
> Later versions didn't. 
> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies 
> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities 
> that used to be provided in XP.
.
I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
progressed.  All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
.
Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
1. install it immediately, or
2. Defer it.
There is no way to kill it.

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#218303

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote: 
> > > With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
> > > provided products to help you control your computer, but 
> > > with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
> > > computer.
> > > 
> > > W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
> > > I buy will be LINUX based.
> > . 
> > It started with MS DOS around v. 5. 
> > . 
> > DR DOS 6 was superior. 
> > It went seriously wrong with Windows 6. 
> > Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs. 
> > For example some of the numeric values of characters changed 
> > compared to Windows 3.1. 
> > For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6 
> > caused the complete loss of the document. 
> > Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word. 
> > Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically. 
> > Later versions didn't. 
> > Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies 
> > tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities 
> > that used to be provided in XP.
> .
> I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
> took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
> It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
> you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
> progressed.  All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
> .
> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
> 1. install it immediately, or
> 2. Defer it.
> There is no way to kill it.

It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#218315

"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:

> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>> 1. install it immediately, or
>> 2. Defer it.
>> There is no way to kill it.

> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)

I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition.  This was a prize in
a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
unexpectedly.

I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.

THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
WINDOWS!!!!!

I used to use it occasionally when on vacation to check newsgroups and e-mail,
although I learned the hard way that it does *NOT* do IMAP, only POP, which
caused considerable grief while selling our house (things read on the laptop
disappeared from the remote server folders!), so it's only for newsgroups these
days.

I have another laptop running Windows 10 Professional (or whatever its called
now), which was a parting gift from the LPoE as part of the layoff.  Since
things like the Unisys emulators will not run on Home, or on Linux, I've left
it alone, too.

They can hint all they like.  There's nothing I can do about it.

-- 
Rich Alderson					  news@alderson.users.panix.com
      Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
	  omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
									--Galen

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#218318

Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
> 
>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>>> 1. install it immediately, or
>>> 2. Defer it.
>>> There is no way to kill it.
> 
>> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
> 
> I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition.  This was a prize in
> a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
> conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
> unexpectedly.
> 
> I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
> 
> THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
> ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
> WINDOWS!!!!!

I’m surprised M$ doesn’t coerce all manufacturers to do this. 

What model is this? Google can’t seem to find it.

How about running VirtualBox under windows and automatically starting
 Linux on bootup?
> 

-- 
Pete

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#218322

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>>>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>>>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>>>> 1. install it immediately, or
>>>> 2. Defer it.
>>>> There is no way to kill it.
>> 
>>> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
>> 
>> I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition.  This was a prize in
>> a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
>> conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
>> unexpectedly.
>> 
>> I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
>> 
>> THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
>> ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
>> WINDOWS!!!!!
>
>I’m surprised M$ doesn’t coerce all manufacturers to do this. 

I've had a number of Dell laptops and they all ran Linux without
problem.    Dell even will preload linux on certain models if you
buy directly from Dell.

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#218326

Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:

> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>>> 1. install it immediately, or
>>> 2. Defer it.
>>> There is no way to kill it.
>
>> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
>
> I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition.  This was a prize in
> a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
> conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
> unexpectedly.
>
> I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
>
> THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
> ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
> WINDOWS!!!!!

It's possessed by evil forces.

Get rid if it as soon as you can.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#218329

On 7/8/2021 3:01 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:

> I used to use it occasionally when on vacation to check newsgroups and e-mail,
> although I learned the hard way that it does *NOT* do IMAP, only POP, which
> caused considerable grief while selling our house (things read on the laptop
> disappeared from the remote server folders!), so it's only for newsgroups these
> days.

Surely the POP/IMAP thing is controlled by your mail host, and/or the 
program you use to access it. I know MSOffice (yeah, I know) can be 
set for either somewhere in the Accounts settings (I don't have Office 
on this computer, but used to set stuff up for other people on 
theirs). Thunderbird controls it under Options/Server Settings (and 
there's a select for whether or not it deletes from the remote 
server). I'm pretty sure Pegasus does the same. I'd think any mail 
program would do likewise, though don't have any clue as to how EMACS 
for Windows handles it if that's what you were using.

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#218304

In article <b1fa225f-1f3b-4535-9c98-46b708ea1539n@googlegroups.com>,
Robin Vowels  <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote: 
>> > With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
>> > provided products to help you control your computer, but 
>> > with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
>> > computer.
>> > 
>> > W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
>> > I buy will be LINUX based.
>> . 
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5. 
>> . 
>> DR DOS 6 was superior. 
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6. 
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs. 
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed 
>> compared to Windows 3.1. 
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6 
>> caused the complete loss of the document. 
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word. 
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically. 
>> Later versions didn't. 
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies 
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities 
>> that used to be provided in XP.
>.
>I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
>took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
>It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
>you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
>progressed.  All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
>.
>Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>1. install it immediately, or
>2. Defer it.
>There is no way to kill it.

There must be some mechanism under the hood, as my work laptop only gets
updated when my company's IT dept decides it does, not when MS releases
updates.

I had fun upgrading several family systems over the past few weeks.  They
were all exhibiting the "stuck on 1909" issue and so had to be updated
via "media creator".  It was one of those things where it asks you a bunch
of questions, you answer and wander off to do other things for a few hours,
and when you come back, there is another question on the screen, and so
of course, no progress has been made.
-- 
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#218305

Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

> There must be some mechanism under the hood, as my work laptop only gets
> updated when my company's IT dept decides it does, not when MS releases
> updates.

A corporate machine is likely to get updates from a private WSUS server, 
where the pimply faced youths "approve" which updates get given to it, 
not the Windows Update server that Joe Bloggs uses at home.

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#218306

In article <ikoa99FufjfU2@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns  <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>
>> There must be some mechanism under the hood, as my work laptop only gets
>> updated when my company's IT dept decides it does, not when MS releases
>> updates.
>
>A corporate machine is likely to get updates from a private WSUS server, 
>where the pimply faced youths "approve" which updates get given to it, 
>not the Windows Update server that Joe Bloggs uses at home.

Hmm.  Riffing on that, you might could disable it by putting 
update.microsoft.com in your hosts file as 127.0.0.1 or some such until
you wanted an update.
-- 
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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#218307

Ted Nolan wrote:

> you might could disable it by putting
> update.microsoft.com in your hosts file as 127.0.0.1 or some such

They though of that, with Win10, windows update doesn't rely on the 
hosts files or DNS lookups, it has the IP addresses of servers "baked 
in" ...

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#218308

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 13:53:56 +0100
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Ted Nolan wrote:
> 
> > you might could disable it by putting
> > update.microsoft.com in your hosts file as 127.0.0.1 or some such
> 
> They though of that, with Win10, windows update doesn't rely on the 
> hosts files or DNS lookups, it has the IP addresses of servers "baked 
> in" ...

ifconfig lo0 <ip address of update server> alias

	TMTOWTSAC

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#218316

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> windows update doesn't rely on the hosts files or DNS lookups, it
>> has the IP addresses of servers "baked in" ...
> 
> ifconfig lo0 <ip address of update server> alias
> 	TMTOWTSAC

I never tried anything like

netsh.exe interface portproxy add v4tov4 listenaddress=<ipaddrofserver> 
listenport=443 connectaddr=<blackhole> connectport=<blackhole> protocol=tcp

but something along those lines *might* just work ...

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#218309

Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> writes:
>On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote: 
>> > With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
>> > provided products to help you control your computer, but 
>> > with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
>> > computer.
>> > 
>> > W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
>> > I buy will be LINUX based.
>> . 
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5. 
>> . 
>> DR DOS 6 was superior. 
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6. 
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs. 
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed 
>> compared to Windows 3.1. 
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6 
>> caused the complete loss of the document. 
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word. 
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically. 
>> Later versions didn't. 
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies 
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities 
>> that used to be provided in XP.
>.
>I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
>took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
>It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
>you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
>progressed.  All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.

I only power up the Windows laptop once a year (for Turbotax).  This
year, it took _TWO WHOLE DAYS_ for the windows 10 update to complete.

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#218708

On 2021-07-02, Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
>> provided products to help you control your computer, but 
>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
>> computer. 
>> 
>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
>> I buy will be LINUX based. 
> .
> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
> .
> DR DOS 6 was superior.
> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
> compared to Windows 3.1.
> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
> caused the complete loss of the document.
> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
> Later versions didn't.
> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
> that used to be provided in XP.

Let's hope that Win 11 is better than 10. 

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#218717

On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 18:56:13 -0000 (UTC), Daniel Jendinger
<hexabit@daniels-mac-mini2.local> wrote:

>On 2021-07-02, Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft 
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but 
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the 
>>> computer. 
>>> 
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC 
>>> I buy will be LINUX based. 
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
>
>Let's hope that Win 11 is better than 10. 

It's the first odd-numbered Windows since Windows 7, which is a
hopeful sign.

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#218718

On 06/09/2021 19:56, Daniel Jendinger wrote:
> On 2021-07-02, Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>>> I buy will be LINUX based.
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
>
> Let's hope that Win 11 is better than 10.
>

Blimey! You quoted me in the above from a year ago today!

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