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| Started by | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 341 — 35 participants |
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General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-26 14:06 +0000
Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 14:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 16:02 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 16:24 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-04-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 14:21 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-27 01:36 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2025-05-03 14:46 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0200
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-03 20:56 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:18 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-05-13 09:44 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 18:59 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-14 15:38 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-28 02:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 07:54 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:31 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:43 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 21:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-30 17:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-05-01 05:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 05:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2025-05-01 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:47 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:50 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:31 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:44 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:53 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 09:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:25 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:13 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 12:37 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:43 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 09:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:01 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:06 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 23:09 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 02:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 09:52 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 22:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-14 03:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 12:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:58 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-02 00:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:39 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 -0400
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:18 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-05-05 11:15 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 11:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 22:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:34 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 11:21 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:37 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 03:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:15 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-03 04:44 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:02 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:07 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 13:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:43 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 00:40 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:25 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:35 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:18 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:43 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:07 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:59 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 20:16 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:33 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:57 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 18:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:25 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-07 21:38 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:07 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:17 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:14 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 19:02 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:42 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:48 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 01:19 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:33 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:31 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 18:43 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:16 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-10 03:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 18:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 21:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 00:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:34 +0200
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:01 +0000
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:50 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:23 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:24 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 08:28 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 23:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:25 +0200
Re: all the news that, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:05 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 04:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:16 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... maus <maus@debian.deb3> - 2025-05-05 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 08:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:34 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:02 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-06 14:06 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 16:37 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:59 +0000
California toll road infection Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-07 11:16 -0700
Re: California toll road infection Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-07 17:57 -0400
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 00:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:27 +0000
cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:33 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-11 21:19 +0200
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 01:29 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-12 01:34 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 13:15 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-12 16:37 +0000
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:36 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-13 00:38 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:18 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-12 07:42 +0200
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:27 +0000
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-08 13:35 +0000
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:28 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:54 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-09 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-07 18:44 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-07 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:33 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-21 20:05 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:19 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 20:46 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:13 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:31 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2025-05-22 07:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 23:29 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 03:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 07:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 10:55 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:03 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 17:03 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 10:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-28 14:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 15:11 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 19:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 21:58 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-29 22:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-04-30 15:40 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 07:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 18:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:52 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-30 02:14 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:31 +0200
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:05 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 12:58 -0700
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:35 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:52 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:44 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 14:43 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 03:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 11:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 13:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 17:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 14:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-26 18:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 14:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-26 20:02 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 21:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 01:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 03:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-28 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:36 -0600
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 01:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Oscar Toledo G. <biyubi@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 01:26 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 20:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <m7skpbFgb2gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230965 |
On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:35:39 +0000, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:25:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Can you buy epubs from Amazon without having a Kindle? > > No. I don't know how that would fit into their system. The ebooks are > sent to one or more of your kindles. No, they can be sent to other devices. For example, you could install the Kindle app on a PC and download books to there. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 02:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <m7tb9sF5cn9U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230975 |
On 5 May 2025 20:18:51 GMT, Bob Eager wrote: > On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:35:39 +0000, rbowman wrote: > >> On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:25:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> Can you buy epubs from Amazon without having a Kindle? >> >> No. I don't know how that would fit into their system. The ebooks are >> sent to one or more of your kindles. > > No, they can be sent to other devices. For example, you could install > the Kindle app on a PC and download books to there. True, but in the 'Deliver or Remove from Device' dialog they're shown as 'robert's Kindle for PC'. I have 3 listed and I'll admit I'm not sure where 2 of them are or if the boxes even still exist. There is also an Android Tablet and a 3rd Android Device that are history. I really should do some housekeeping and deregister some of the stuff from 2011. Anyway, I was including the whole mess in 'Kindle' not specific devices. I've got 2 physical Kindles but I read quite a bit on a 10" Fire tablet. There are some books like a linear algebra text that can't even be downloaded to a Paperwhite, at least the generation I have. I don't think it can render some of a the notation. A book on knives with a lot of color plates has more obvious limitations. Anyway my original meaning was how an epub would be delivered to something that wasn't a Kindle in any way shape or form.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 23:07 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <tslnelx56j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230965 |
On 2025-05-05 19:35, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:25:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Can you buy epubs from Amazon without having a Kindle? > > No. I don't know how that would fit into their system. The ebooks are sent > to one or more of your kindles. There is no provision to download a file > independently. You can send an epub to your kindle. Sometimes that works > better than others. I've seen the same thing with Calibre though. It's > like the file is interleaved pdf and html so as you see each page twice as > you try to read it. It was just a curiosity, wondering if I can use them as a boor source. I can buy ebooks from the Kobo book shop, and they install automatically via WiFi. But I can manually buy epubs from other book shops, like "Casa del Libro" or "Baens". If it is DRM protected, I have to use Adobe Digital Editions in Windows, if not, I just use Calibre. Similarly, you can download ebooks from Kobo bookshop with Adobe Digital Editions into readers from other brands. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 02:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <m7tc81F5cn9U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230979 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 23:07:09 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > It was just a curiosity, wondering if I can use them as a boor source. As Bob noted you can have a Kindle app on a Windows PC, Mac, iOs, or Android device or you can go to https://read.amazon.com/kindle-library to read the content you've purchased. The web interface has some limitations that I can't figure out. For example book on Pico programming in C can't be displayed and it says to use a Kindle or Kindle app. A book on programming WCF does open. If there is a way to get a raw epub file that you could open in Calibre or maybe sideload into a Kobo I've never found one. It would be handy since there isn't a Linux app.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 20:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <vvb6ap$e87$1@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #230962 |
According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>: >> Amazon has their own format called AZW. Confusingly, their send-to-Kindle >> app and their email gateway only accept EPUB, not AZW. >> >> The popular calibre ebook convrsion program can convert AZW with a >> deDRM plugin. >> >> Details here: >> >> https://epubor.com/free-kindle-drm-removal-calibre-plugin.html > >Can you buy epubs from Amazon without having a Kindle? There are Kindle apps for phones and tablets and Windows and Mac so you don't need a physical Kindle. It can be kind of a pain to find the AZW files the app uses but they're there. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 03:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <m7te82F6c75U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230974 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 20:16:25 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: > According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>: >>> Amazon has their own format called AZW. Confusingly, their >>> send-to-Kindle app and their email gateway only accept EPUB, not AZW. >>> >>> The popular calibre ebook convrsion program can convert AZW with a >>> deDRM plugin. >>> >>> Details here: >>> >>> https://epubor.com/free-kindle-drm-removal-calibre-plugin.html >> >>Can you buy epubs from Amazon without having a Kindle? > > There are Kindle apps for phones and tablets and Windows and Mac so you > don't need a physical Kindle. It can be kind of a pain to find the AZW > files the app uses but they're there. At least for the Fire Tablets they're hidden extremely well. I found an old mobi, some mp3s, but neither of the two AZWs that are on the device.
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| From | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 22:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: book em, General Thoughts ... |
| Message-ID | <vvbf4r$1f97o$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230962 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:25:30 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-05 02:40, John Levine wrote: >> According to Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>: >>>> I get some of those also. The book suggestions are the wildest, often >>>> not genres I've ever read. Then there are the Prime 'First Reads' >>>> offerings that are very heavily weighted towards what I consider >>>> chick lit. >>> >>> AFAIK, Amazon ebooks are not standard epubs (DRM or not), so I am not >>> interested in them. So far, I haven't got any offer. >> >> Amazon has their own format called AZW. Confusingly, their >> send-to-Kindle app and their email gateway only accept EPUB, not AZW. >> >> The popular calibre ebook convrsion program can convert AZW with a >> deDRM plugin. >> >> Details here: >> >> https://epubor.com/free-kindle-drm-removal-calibre-plugin.html >> >> > > Can you buy epubs from Amazon without having a Kindle? iPad, probably any tablet, or any computer with a reader app.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 06:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7r5orFpdknU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230951 |
On Sun, 4 May 2025 22:43:13 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > AFAIK, Amazon ebooks are not standard epubs (DRM or not), so I am not > interested in them. So far, I haven't got any offer. I read a lot and the last thing I need is more paper on the sagging shelves. Also with Kindle Unlimited you 'borrow' books. For example I'm reading the Rebel Galaxy trilogy. If I bought each book outright it would be $18. At $12 /mo for unlimited I come out ahead. The library also has a large digital collection. Some are delivered via Amazon. Others, mostly public domain titles, go through an app called libby. I have very mixed feelings about Amazon. It impacts local businesses. On the other hand this is a small market and the local businesses don't have that great a selection. They may be able to special order something and I'll get it eventually, or I can go to Amazon and it will be on the deck in a couple of days.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 13:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8ojmelxqkh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230955 |
On 2025-05-05 08:56, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 4 May 2025 22:43:13 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> AFAIK, Amazon ebooks are not standard epubs (DRM or not), so I am not >> interested in them. So far, I haven't got any offer. > > I read a lot and the last thing I need is more paper on the sagging > shelves. Also with Kindle Unlimited you 'borrow' books. For example I'm > reading the Rebel Galaxy trilogy. If I bought each book outright it would > be $18. At $12 /mo for unlimited I come out ahead. > > The library also has a large digital collection. Some are delivered via > Amazon. Others, mostly public domain titles, go through an app called > libby. > > I have very mixed feelings about Amazon. It impacts local businesses. On > the other hand this is a small market and the local businesses don't have > that great a selection. They may be able to special order something and > I'll get it eventually, or I can go to Amazon and it will be on the deck > in a couple of days. I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an old friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things I could not do, not confortable with it. There is also some offer of the "kobo unlimited" kind, but I don't remember if that's the name; Ah, Kobo Plus. I don't use it, it turns out to be a similar cost, because I don't read books that fast. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 18:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7sf6eF1lm0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230960 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:24:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I > have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an old > friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things I > could not do, not confortable with it. Kobo took the decision early on that the US market was too competitive and concentrated on the rest of the world. I've seen estimates that Kobo has around 3% of the US market. I think they were tied in with Borders but Borders went under long ago so that didn't help. For the US Kindle is the giant, Nook a very distant second, and Apple books almost as weak as Kobo. I've had several generations of Kindles, with the first having standalone 3G capability. That really worked out well for me in an unintended way. I'd been on dialup but when reading on the Kindle I saw it had connected to the Verizon network. That opened a new possibility and I was at the Verizon store the next day to get one of their wi-fi hotspots. I'm still using wireless since the only other option is satellite.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 20:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Yf9SP.27821$9uW6.24419@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #230971 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:24:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I >> have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an old >> friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things I >> could not do, not confortable with it. > >Kobo took the decision early on that the US market was too competitive and >concentrated on the rest of the world. I've seen estimates that Kobo has >around 3% of the US market. I think they were tied in with Borders but >Borders went under long ago so that didn't help. Walmart currently sells Kobos (on-line, anyway). I have three Kobo ClaraHD (two active, the third didn't survive being run over). They replaced a first generation Nook. Simple, clean, responsive.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 03:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7teoqF6c75U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230977 |
On Mon, 05 May 2025 20:32:56 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Walmart currently sells Kobos (on-line, anyway). I have three Kobo > ClaraHD (two active, the third didn't survive being run over). > > They replaced a first generation Nook. > > Simple, clean, responsive. So they do... The physical Walmart is my store of absolute last resort if I'm looking for something and I've never went to walmart.com let alone looking for a Kobo. I'm not as bad as my nephew. He'll wait in the parking lot before he'll walk through the door.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 23:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <9hmnelx15k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230971 |
On 2025-05-05 20:43, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 13:24:24 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I have the same problem, I can't fit more paper in the shelves. But I >> have a Kobo, not a Kindle. Recently I saw a kindle "inherited" by an old >> friend from her daughter in law, and I did not like it, many things I >> could not do, not confortable with it. > > Kobo took the decision early on that the US market was too competitive and > concentrated on the rest of the world. I've seen estimates that Kobo has > around 3% of the US market. I think they were tied in with Borders but > Borders went under long ago so that didn't help. I bought my first reader from them during a visit to Ottawa, at the Chapters shop there. A relative recommended me to get that one (Kobo Touch) instead of a Kindle. Kobo at the time was independent, now it belongs to Rakuten. While they were independent, they had responsive support via email. Very nice. I had to replace the battery on it once, purchased from a Chinese vendor. Recently I saw they had colour, and bought a Kobo Libra colour. It is not as a tablet, but suffices. They promised that maintenance will be available. > > For the US Kindle is the giant, Nook a very distant second, and Apple > books almost as weak as Kobo. > > I've had several generations of Kindles, with the first having standalone > 3G capability. That really worked out well for me in an unintended way. > I'd been on dialup but when reading on the Kindle I saw it had connected > to the Verizon network. That opened a new possibility and I was at the > Verizon store the next day to get one of their wi-fi hotspots. I'm still > using wireless since the only other option is satellite. Curious. The Kobo Touch has wifi, but with a bug: it forgets the credentials easily. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 04:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7tgbeF6c75U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230980 |
On Mon, 5 May 2025 23:18:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I bought my first reader from them during a visit to Ottawa, at the > Chapters shop there. A relative recommended me to get that one (Kobo > Touch) instead of a Kindle. Kobo at the time was independent, now it > belongs to Rakuten. Well, they are a Canadian company. I wonder if it would have made a difference had they been more aggressive in the US market. I think they were cheaper than Kindles at first but then Amazon undercut them. I think the actual readers use the old Kodak plan. Sell them a camera cheap and get a lifetime of film sales. > I had to replace the battery on it once, purchased from a Chinese > vendor. Recently I saw they had colour, and bought a Kobo Libra colour. > It is not as a tablet, but suffices. They promised that maintenance will > be available. How do you like it? The reviews I've seen of color e-ink have been lukewarm with the colors being a little off and a bit slow. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZXX465Z What I find interesting is not Amazon selling Kobos, money is money after all, but the leading image is in French. As you scroll down there are photos in English. France is a big market for them so get off on the right foot. The same link in Tor routed through Germany also has the French screen shot. amazon.com/Kindle-Keyboard-Free-Wi-Fi-Display/dp/B004HZYA6E That's the Kindle from 2011 I have that was 3G. The 3G option didn't last long so they are all wi-fi now. The Kindle itself still works but 3G is gone. I thought that option must have been a pain for Amazon since every reader would have a telephone number.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 11:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <523pelxvat.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230998 |
On 2025-05-06 06:09, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2025 23:18:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I bought my first reader from them during a visit to Ottawa, at the >> Chapters shop there. A relative recommended me to get that one (Kobo >> Touch) instead of a Kindle. Kobo at the time was independent, now it >> belongs to Rakuten. > > Well, they are a Canadian company. I wonder if it would have made a > difference had they been more aggressive in the US market. I think they > were cheaper than Kindles at first but then Amazon undercut them. I think > the actual readers use the old Kodak plan. Sell them a camera cheap and > get a lifetime of film sales. Sure. But ebooks are cheaper than paper, specially if you have to ship them across the pond. Once I bought a paper book 2nd hand from a shop in NY. Book, 1$. Shipping, 8$. That convinced me to buy an ebook reader. And ebooks never get out of print. The first one I bought was expensive. One or two years later, they went down to 1/3 or so. >> I had to replace the battery on it once, purchased from a Chinese >> vendor. Recently I saw they had colour, and bought a Kobo Libra colour. >> It is not as a tablet, but suffices. They promised that maintenance will >> be available. > > How do you like it? The reviews I've seen of color e-ink have been > lukewarm with the colors being a little off and a bit slow. > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZXX465Z The colour is like a water colour. The thing has both B/W dots at a high resolution, and colour dots at a lower resolution. The speed is slow compared to a tablet, but it is similar compared to any epaper device. I can live with that. Maybe the next generation in 10 years time will improve dramatically, or not. Meanwhile, I can see the few colour pictures I get in my books, while before it was all greys. If you ever buy one, buy directly from Kobo, because you need an account to buy books, anyway. The easy way. My pet peeve with them is that they do geolocation on their web site. Even though I only buy English books from them, I'm offered books in Spanish mostly. > > What I find interesting is not Amazon selling Kobos, money is money after > all, but the leading image is in French. As you scroll down there are > photos in English. France is a big market for them so get off on the right > foot. The same link in Tor routed through Germany also has the French > screen shot. Curious. > > amazon.com/Kindle-Keyboard-Free-Wi-Fi-Display/dp/B004HZYA6E > > That's the Kindle from 2011 I have that was 3G. The 3G option didn't last > long so they are all wi-fi now. The Kindle itself still works but 3G is > gone. I thought that option must have been a pain for Amazon since every > reader would have a telephone number. I can not imagine myself putting a SIM on one. Each SIM costs money here. I have a tablet that accepts SIMs, I never put one. I found that out when I saw my cleaning lady answering a phone call with a big tablet she fished out of her bag. She then explained that her iphone had been stolen at her work place (she cleaned at an hotel). :-D -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 18:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m81o33FqqdjU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231006 |
On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:57:57 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Sure. But ebooks are cheaper than paper, specially if you have to ship > them across the pond. Once I bought a paper book 2nd hand from a shop in > NY. Book, 1$. Shipping, 8$. That convinced me to buy an ebook reader. > And ebooks never get out of print. I've wondered how e-books have affected book sales. A couple have went out of business but there still is a shop in town than handles used paperbacks. They sell for half the cover price and you get a quarter of the price for the books you bring in. You can't do that with digital. There had been a shop that did the same with CDs but they went under a long time ago when music went digital. > The first one I bought was expensive. One or two years later, they went > down to 1/3 or so. Amazon has a cheaper tier with ads on the screen saver. The ads don't pop up when you're reading so I go for those. Part was a strategy to undercut Kobo and Nook. > I can not imagine myself putting a SIM on one. Each SIM costs money > here. I have a tablet that accepts SIMs, I never put one. I found that > out when I saw my cleaning lady answering a phone call with a big tablet > she fished out of her bag. She then explained that her iphone had been > stolen at her work place (she cleaned at an hotel). :-D That was the thing with that generation of Kindles. If you bought the 3G model, which wasn't that much more expensive, it came with the SIM build in. I don't even see a slot to access it. You didn't need a contract with a carrier like you would with a tablet. I don't know how they handled different regions. At the time Verizon was about the only game in town so Amazon must have had an arrangement with them but in other areas it would be another carrier. I can see why they dropped the option and went to wi- fi only. It would be a mess now as carriers have expanded. My wireless wi- fi hotspot is Verizon but my phone is T-Mobile, or Mint actually, although T-Mobile bought Mint. I don't know why Verizon doesn't have a prepaid option.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 22:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <t5sselxevq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231035 |
On 2025-05-07 20:45, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 6 May 2025 11:57:57 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > >> Sure. But ebooks are cheaper than paper, specially if you have to ship >> them across the pond. Once I bought a paper book 2nd hand from a shop in >> NY. Book, 1$. Shipping, 8$. That convinced me to buy an ebook reader. >> And ebooks never get out of print. > > I've wondered how e-books have affected book sales. A couple have went out > of business but there still is a shop in town than handles used > paperbacks. They sell for half the cover price and you get a quarter of > the price for the books you bring in. You can't do that with digital. > There had been a shop that did the same with CDs but they went under a > long time ago when music went digital. It saddens me a lot seeing that paper book shops are unable to also sell ebooks. I go to the shops to find new interesting books, but I can not buy them there! They do the job of convincing me to buy a certain book, then they can not benefit! I have to go to the online shop instead. I don't really know why "used" ebooks can not be resold. Maybe the conditions, the regulations, prohibit that, but technically, it is perfectly feasible. It is a file, after all. >> The first one I bought was expensive. One or two years later, they went >> down to 1/3 or so. > > Amazon has a cheaper tier with ads on the screen saver. The ads don't pop > up when you're reading so I go for those. Part was a strategy to undercut > Kobo and Nook. Clever. I can shop for new books inside the Kobo reader. When I finish an ebook it is possible I get an offer to buy a new one, and I can get previews. Commercials, no, I don't have them. I have commercials when I watch a movie or serial in Amazon Prime Video, though. I would like to send feedback about the commercials I get, because some of those I hate. > >> I can not imagine myself putting a SIM on one. Each SIM costs money >> here. I have a tablet that accepts SIMs, I never put one. I found that >> out when I saw my cleaning lady answering a phone call with a big tablet >> she fished out of her bag. She then explained that her iphone had been >> stolen at her work place (she cleaned at an hotel). :-D > > That was the thing with that generation of Kindles. If you bought the 3G > model, which wasn't that much more expensive, it came with the SIM build > in. I don't even see a slot to access it. You didn't need a contract with > a carrier like you would with a tablet. I don't know how they handled > different regions. At the time Verizon was about the only game in town so > Amazon must have had an arrangement with them but in other areas it would > be another carrier. I can see why they dropped the option and went to wi- > fi only. It would be a mess now as carriers have expanded. My wireless wi- > fi hotspot is Verizon but my phone is T-Mobile, or Mint actually, although > T-Mobile bought Mint. I don't know why Verizon doesn't have a prepaid > option. The TomTom navigator did that, too. There was a SIM card inside and they had a slow and limited internet connection, but which they claimed worked in all of Europe, at a time when this was expensive, before the council mandated cheap roaming inside the EU. They would not use it for map updates, though, that had to be done via a computer. I think I had to pay a yearly subscription, but far cheaper than a phone would be. When that gadget broke down, the next one used a BT connection to my phone, which failed a lot. But it also has WiFi, and I managed to buy a cheap dongle that provides WiFi in the car. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 21:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn101nkng.p1k.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #231041 |
On 2025-05-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: [having an embedded SIM] > The TomTom navigator did that, too. There was a SIM card inside and they > had a slow and limited internet connection, but which they claimed > worked in all of Europe, at a time when this was expensive, before the > council mandated cheap roaming inside the EU. They would not use it for > map updates, though, that had to be done via a computer. > > I think I had to pay a yearly subscription, but far cheaper than a phone > would be. When that gadget broke down, the next one used a BT connection > to my phone, which failed a lot. But it also has WiFi, and I managed to > buy a cheap dongle that provides WiFi in the car. The positioning is using a GNSS (GPS/Galileo/Glonass) which is a receive-only radio. Cellular data may provide traffic information - I do not know how much data bandwidth that requires. In many cars, there is a built-in cellular data that may be used for mechanical health checks, crash detection and related emergency communications, but if your NAV subsystem is an aftermarket TomTom, it probably cannot interface with the car's native systems.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 14:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sdjuelxivh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231043 |
On 2025-05-07 23:38, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-05-07, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > [having an embedded SIM] >> The TomTom navigator did that, too. There was a SIM card inside and they >> had a slow and limited internet connection, but which they claimed >> worked in all of Europe, at a time when this was expensive, before the >> council mandated cheap roaming inside the EU. They would not use it for >> map updates, though, that had to be done via a computer. >> >> I think I had to pay a yearly subscription, but far cheaper than a phone >> would be. When that gadget broke down, the next one used a BT connection >> to my phone, which failed a lot. But it also has WiFi, and I managed to >> buy a cheap dongle that provides WiFi in the car. > > The positioning is using a GNSS (GPS/Galileo/Glonass) which is a > receive-only radio. Cellular data may provide traffic information - I do > not know how much data bandwidth that requires. In many cars, there is a > built-in cellular data that may be used for mechanical health checks, > crash detection and related emergency communications, but if your NAV > subsystem is an aftermarket TomTom, it probably cannot interface with > the car's native systems. Both the tomtom and the car crash reporting system are aftermarket in my case. I believe the tomtom internal sim card used a connection limited to 64Kbps. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-08 00:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m82bv2Ftvm5U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231041 |
On Wed, 7 May 2025 22:25:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > It saddens me a lot seeing that paper book shops are unable to also sell > ebooks. I go to the shops to find new interesting books, but I can not > buy them there! They do the job of convincing me to buy a certain book, > then they can not benefit! I have to go to the online shop instead. > > I don't really know why "used" ebooks can not be resold. Maybe the > conditions, the regulations, prohibit that, but technically, it is > perfectly feasible. It is a file, after all. Amazon uses a DRM scheme but that can be broken. I think there's a way you can 'lend' and e-book to someone else. The library's e-books are delivered via Amazon but I think you have other choices. I don't know how the bookkeeping works but they treat an e-book like a physical book where there's only one copy. You check it out and nobody else can get it until you return it or the loan expires. > I can shop for new books inside the Kobo reader. When I finish an ebook > it is possible I get an offer to buy a new one, and I can get previews. > Commercials, no, I don't have them. kindle does that in spades. You can also review the book. I read a lot of series and it always points you to the next one when you finish. I haven't tried it yet but they recently have come up with summaries. The trend for lesser known authors is series. Mackey Chandler's 'April' series is 14 books. Sometimes an author will still be working on books in the projected series and a recap or 'previously on' would be handy. Some of the ads on Amazon, Netflix, and FreeVee can get a little old. Several times they've run the same ad back to back in the same break. They also use the operant conditioning style reward schedule. Sometimes a show will be uninterrupted. The next episode might have ads every few minutes. Gotta keep the rats guessing. With rats it is a reward though. Partial reinforcement tends to work better than a reward every time. They can't figure out the schedule and will keep pressing the lever figuring they'll get a treat sooner or later.
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