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| Started by | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-28 14:59 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-30 03:41 +0000 |
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Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-28 14:59 +0000
Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 17:33 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-28 20:21 +0100
Re: Low traffic Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2025-04-28 19:00 -0600
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:18 +0000
Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-29 19:24 +0000
Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 12:58 -0700
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:39 +0000
Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 08:49 -0700
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:09 +0000
Re: Low traffic "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:41 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:36 +0000
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:14 +0000
Re: Low traffic songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-04-30 06:16 -0400
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 15:06 +0000
Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:25 +0000
Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 17:25 +0000
Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: Low traffic Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 20:17 -0700
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:36 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:59 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:18 +0000
Re: Low traffic "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-28 22:33 +0200
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-28 18:17 -0300
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:00 +0200
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:39 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:00 +0000
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:52 -0300
Re: Low traffic songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-04-28 18:01 -0400
Re: Low traffic Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-04-29 08:17 +0200
Re: Low traffic Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:33 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:14 +0200
Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 12:06 -0700
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:22 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:43 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:28 +0000
Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:12 +0200
Power plant cold start (Re: Low traffic) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:57 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:23 +0000
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 19:01 -0300
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:59 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:23 +0200
Re: Low traffic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-01 21:22 +0100
Re: Low traffic Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-02 21:02 +0200
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:13 +0000
Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:23 +0000
Re: Low traffic Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:52 +0100
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:13 +0200
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 03:13 -0300
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-01 14:48 +0000
Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:50 +0000
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-01 14:52 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:37 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:27 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:10 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:47 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:02 +0200
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:25 +0000
Re: Low traffic anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-05-15 15:12 +0000
Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:48 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 17:36 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-05-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 17:58 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:20 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 22:55 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 18:53 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 23:15 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 02:10 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:35 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 10:40 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:59 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 12:14 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 14:27 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-05-06 13:43 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:41 +0000
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| From | anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> |
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| Date | 2025-05-15 15:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn102c113.ks8.anthk@texto-plano.xyz> |
| In reply to | #230907 |
On 2025-05-02, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-05-02 03:27, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:37:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Recently I started watching a TV SciFi serial on Amazon, Spanish made:
>>> Punto Nemo. I could make a list of the things they do that the Navy
>>> would never do, but I forget, there are so many. One of them, is they
>>> start a generator in an abandoned island by just turning some big
>>> switches labelled in Russian. Later we learn that they use geothermal
>>> energy and that's why it still works. (!)
>>
>> Hey, it's Hollywood. Or wherever the Spanish film industry lives.
>
> Of course, but there are serials that do a wonderful job, and others
> that do a terrible job.
>
> The Expanse is a wonderful job, for instance. In Spain I don't remember
> right now, Sci-Fi is not usual. I have a mental image of one SciFi movie
> that was good, but no idea of the title. But this particular serial they
> do wrong even naval/navy things, not yet SciFi.
>
> For instance, at some point they do apnoea diving. The diver goes down
> by moving her fins, while I understand they go down with a weight, that
> they release at the bottom. Much faster, does not use muscular effort.
> She needed to go down some 75 meters, I think.
>
> There are movies out there where the science is so bad that it is even
> funny and entertaining to watch them. Past the cringing point.
>
> This one I want to watch to the end. Pity that Amazon Prime Video app
> doesn't accept criticism or votes. So I watch half an episode at a time.
> Instead I watch "The Rig".
>
In Spain the Francoism killed most progressive spirits from the 30's
and mandated a national-Catholic fascist regime.
A bit less in the 60's/70's thanks to the opening to the world
thanks to the USA relations in the 50's and European tourists in the
60's. And, yes, the Moon landing almost made the Spanish regime
dumb and idioting against the Space Era USA. Everyone was into
space, UFO's and what not.
We almost fought them culturally
not with SciFi, but with satire, even in comic books
written for kids.
That's why one of the most known
Spanish author (Francisco Ibáñez, RIP),
it's a writter on parodying
the Spanish CIA a some slapstick James Bond;
the blue collar workers/brick layers
with dirty hacks and patches, the scummy and shitty low life
in a building (13 rue del Percebe, where it's the spiritual
origin from the uber known sitcoms Aquí no hay quien viva (no *damn
way anyone can live -down- here) and la que se avecina (The one that
is coming, also a pun on 'vecino', neighbor).
One would say that making fun out ourselves dates back from Don
Quijote days, maybe. But we have had people like Leonardo Torres
Quevedo and Ramón y Cajal.
Also, Ibáñez itself depicted scifi related ambums in the 70's
because of the impact in the world society of the Moon landing.
In the 80's in democracy times everyone was more about
real life politics than scifi itself. People were *living* down the
utopia, so most Spanish scifi was Cold War related with
a mad max apocalypse, nuclear bombs, punks and yadda-yadda...
Scary, but not Spanish/Iberian. A lot of people was living
far better than the post-war parents and they even got
some cheap electronics, it was like travelling to a far future.
And, yes, people had radios and such in the 60's but TV's were
for the rich guy almost up to early and late 70's when people
abandoned villages en-masse for a better future.
And they earned it. As I said, having some people colour TV's,
Spectrums and such was like a time travel to a better
future as technology changed exponentially over a decade.
In the 90's, we did Futurama earlier than Futurama itself. Look
at Los Xunguis, it almost looks as a Futurama made for older kids/
early teens. You have a dumb pilot and a robot side partner.
But, being in the 90's, Dragon Ball killed the Spanish comic
industry for all, among the Play Station and, later, Pokémon.
And the X Files for adults, too.
So, that's the reason there wasn't many scifi media in Spanish
except for underground comics in the 80's, the present looked
futuristic enough for tons of people.
As for myself, my life in early 90's was analogic and a decade
later I was talking with people from the other side of the world.
The problem is, we need some other kind of scifi, neither pesimistic
nor mirroring the 80's corporate crap.
We need makers and hackers.
The mentioned Spanish author depicted some teen, Tete Cohete
(Tete Rocket, you might translate it as Joseph Rocket) which
was into vehicle tuning and built a gas powered vehicle for fun
with anything: wardrobes, wood boxes, hot tubs and rockets, anything.
A slapstick comic book depicting silly crashes into everyone.
In the 80's it was something made from low class teens and young
adults on motorbikes, something done by every hormone boosted
kid in Europe actually. Go figure, something a like a cheap 50CC
motorbike into something much faster (and OFC dangerous).
So, depicting some slapstick hardware
maker or programmer from today isn't that far fetched.
Something like "you created a computer with WHAT?"
Why scifi+comedy instead of just scifi? Because that how we
do that here, for fun. Or the classical "no hay huevos" told
from everyone to some random guy ("There's no balls, Paco, you don't
dare"). And then, we do it, in the same way James from USA
would do that drunk in a pub as a daring challenge.
But without being drunk. And, half of the time, it explodes.
But, when it works, everyone shit bricks.
If you want a random Spaniard being into IT, tell him that
by learning computer skills he might be able to watch soccer
for free. In the 2000's tons of people even burned electronic
PICF84 based magnetic card software to pirate cable decoders.
So, it's just a matter of utilitiarism.
We are more like Sancho Panza than Don Quixote.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 20:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <slrn1017nh0.1b6ti.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #230830 |
On 2025-05-01, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > I have a lovely image as a metaphor for what a chore that must be. > > I once was given a tour of a Canadian Navy supply ship. Bridge full of > high tech electronics. Below, the engine control room full of both > electronic and vacuum line (? I forget) controls overlooking the huge > main turbine and ancillary turbine. Aft, a large room filled by two > huge 12-cylinder (IIRC) diesel engines. These can supply power to run > everything needed to get the whole ship up and running. > > Near by, a "small" 8-cylinder diesel, about the size that would drive a > 40' highway tractor-trailer rig, running a compressor that can make > enough compressed air to get the big diesels started. > > What do you do if you have a cold ship, nothing running at all, no > shore power, no electricity, no steam? > > In a corner of a lower-yet deck, there's a (possibly antique?) > vertical-single-cylinder diesel. Bolted to the bulkhead is a hand > crank. You unbolt the crank, crank up the single-banger which generates > enough power to start the "small" diesel which starts the big diesels > which... > > I don't know how often they test-run that little single-banger to > ensure that it still goes. The crank looked like it hadn't been > unbolted for years. Early in my career, I worked on a display system for a 600MW power plant. On one of our site visits, the plant engineer pointed to a boxcar on a disconnected railroad siding track near the front parking lot. That was a 20MW gas turbine powered generator, made by GE. Thta was the cold start engine for the plant. The main (oil-fired steam) generating plant needed a few MW to run the feed water pumps, the bunker oil pipeline heaters etc. If the grid is up, they can just take it in from the grid, but if not, they need the boxcar. He said they start it up twice a year to make sure it still works.
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 17:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <vvasvl$2nr$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #230861 |
On 2025-05-01, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > What do you do if you have a cold ship, nothing running at all, no > shore power, no electricity, no steam? In the case of a Liberty Ship, such as the John W. Brown in Baltimore, the answer is you go nowhere. There is a ?6"? pipe fitting on its side to go to an adjacent ship to transfer live steam between them to jump-start the dead one. U-boats had an electric motor driven compressor and a free-piston Diesel compressor; the former obviously needs battery power, the latter compressed air to start. -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 17:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <m7sbuqF14iiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230966 |
In article <vvasvl$2nr$1@reader1.panix.com>, David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote: > >On 2025-05-01, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > >> What do you do if you have a cold ship, nothing running at all, no >> shore power, no electricity, no steam? > >In the case of a Liberty Ship, such as the John W. Brown in Baltimore, >the answer is you go nowhere. There is a ?6"? pipe fitting on its side to >go to an adjacent ship to transfer live steam between them to jump-start >the dead one. > >U-boats had an electric motor driven compressor and a free-piston Diesel >compressor; the former obviously needs battery power, the latter compressed air >to start. >-- >A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com >& no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... >Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 >is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 There is a whole youtube genre of starting old & large engines. Diesel locomotives use the compressed air thing, the British Field Marshal tractor uses a shotgun shell, a Rumley Oil Pull tractor has the farmer jump up and down on the flywheel, hot-bulb engines use a blowtorch... -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 17:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <vvau8b$1au$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #230967 |
In <m7sbuqF14iiU1@mid.individual.net> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes: [snip] >There is a whole youtube genre of starting old & large engines. >Diesel locomotives use the compressed air thing, the British Field Marshal >tractor uses a shotgun shell, a Rumley Oil Pull tractor has the farmer >jump up and down on the flywheel, hot-bulb engines use a blowtorch... Don't forget how to start a piston airplane engine after you've just jerry rigged together a new plane from the wreckage after you've crashed in the Arabian desert... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flight_of_the_Phoenix_(1965_film) -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 20:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <m7sks7Fgb2gU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230969 |
On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:58:35 +0000, danny burstein wrote: > In <m7sbuqF14iiU1@mid.individual.net> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan > <tednolan>) writes: > > [snip] >>There is a whole youtube genre of starting old & large engines. > >>Diesel locomotives use the compressed air thing, the British Field >>Marshal tractor uses a shotgun shell, a Rumley Oil Pull tractor has the >>farmer jump up and down on the flywheel, hot-bulb engines use a >>blowtorch... > > Don't forget how to start a piston airplane engine after you've just > jerry rigged together a new plane from the wreckage after you've crashed > in the Arabian desert... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flight_of_the_Phoenix_(1965_film) But you need a designer of model planes...! -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 22:55 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <h6lnelx36i.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230969 |
On 2025-05-05 19:58, danny burstein wrote: > In <m7sbuqF14iiU1@mid.individual.net> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes: > > [snip] >> There is a whole youtube genre of starting old & large engines. > >> Diesel locomotives use the compressed air thing, the British Field Marshal >> tractor uses a shotgun shell, a Rumley Oil Pull tractor has the farmer >> jump up and down on the flywheel, hot-bulb engines use a blowtorch... > > Don't forget how to start a piston airplane engine > after you've just jerry rigged together a new plane > from the wreckage after you've crashed in the > Arabian desert... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flight_of_the_Phoenix_(1965_film) There is a more recent version of that one, but I keep seeing Dr House in it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 18:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <pO7SP.187202$J0J2.155769@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #230966 |
David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> writes: > >On 2025-05-01, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote: > >> What do you do if you have a cold ship, nothing running at all, no >> shore power, no electricity, no steam? > >In the case of a Liberty Ship, such as the John W. Brown in Baltimore, >the answer is you go nowhere. There is a ?6"? pipe fitting on its side to >go to an adjacent ship to transfer live steam between them to jump-start >the dead one. I've sailed on the Jeremiah O'brien few times, and wandered through the engine room while underway. It normally docks at Fisherman's Wharf, and the only adjacent vessel is a WWII submarine. I'm not sure how they cold-start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_O%27Brien
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 23:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <vvbgqq$hue$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #230973 |
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >>In the case of a Liberty Ship, such as the John W. Brown in Baltimore, >>the answer is you go nowhere. There is a ?6"? pipe fitting on its side to >>go to an adjacent ship to transfer live steam between them to jump-start >>the dead one. >I've sailed on the Jeremiah O'brien few times, and wandered through >the engine room while underway. It normally docks at Fisherman's Wharf, and >the only adjacent vessel is a WWII submarine. I'm not sure how they >cold-start. I don't recall how they fire up the Brown, but will ask a crew member. I know that when they embark, there are multiple portable power generators on the deck. -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 02:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <vvbr29$nnh$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #230991 |
I said: >I don't recall how they fire up the Brown, but will ask a crew member. And found out: They boot-strap with a giant air compressor. They back-feed the saturated steam distribution, and can run the boiler blower, and fuel pump. That gets the boilers up to pressure. At 200 PSI, they shut everything down, close the compressor's valves, and then restart running off steam. The switch over takes about 15 minutes, and if too much pressure is lost you get to try again. The boilers are lit by lighting a torch with a piezo grill lighter. Then poking the torch into the back of the burner. Each boiler has four burners, and once one is burning, it will ignite the neighboring ones. So all you really have to do is open the fuel valve. -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 11:35 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <bo1pelx8hp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230993 |
On 2025-05-06 04:10, David Lesher wrote: > I said: > > >> I don't recall how they fire up the Brown, but will ask a crew member. > > > And found out: > > They boot-strap with a giant air compressor. I suppose this thing is off the ship? So not something to do in the middle of the sea. > They back-feed the saturated > steam distribution, and can run the boiler blower, and fuel pump. That gets > the boilers up to pressure. At 200 PSI, they shut everything down, close > the compressor's valves, and then restart running off steam. The switch over > takes about 15 minutes, and if too much pressure is lost you get to try > again. > > The boilers are lit by lighting a torch with a piezo grill lighter. Then > poking the torch into the back of the burner. Each boiler has four burners, > and once one is burning, it will ignite the neighboring ones. So all you > really have to do is open the fuel valve. > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 10:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <vvcou6$4lq$3@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #231005 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >> >> They boot-strap with a giant air compressor. >I suppose this thing is off the ship? So not something to do in the >middle of the sea. I'd say so.... How would they get out to sea while cold to begin with??? -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 12:59 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <el6pelxis3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231008 |
On 2025-05-06 12:40, David Lesher wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > >>> >>> They boot-strap with a giant air compressor. > >> I suppose this thing is off the ship? So not something to do in the >> middle of the sea. > > I'd say so.... > How would they get out to sea while cold to begin with??? No, I mean what to do if somehow the boiler goes off or is switched off in the middle of the sea. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 12:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <vvcuft$lkg$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #231009 |
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: >> How would they get out to sea while cold to begin with??? >No, I mean what to do if somehow the boiler goes off or is switched off >in the middle of the sea. I suspect that they would take measures to avoid such a circumstance.... -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 14:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <6qbpelx17d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231010 |
On 2025-05-06 14:14, David Lesher wrote: > "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > >>> How would they get out to sea while cold to begin with??? > >> No, I mean what to do if somehow the boiler goes off or is switched off >> in the middle of the sea. > > I suspect that they would take measures to avoid such a circumstance.... Of course. But shit happens. Say a storm partially floods the engine room. Engineering choices :-D -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 13:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <m7ui09Fbq1oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231005 |
In article <bo1pelx8hp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2025-05-06 04:10, David Lesher wrote: >> I said: >> >> >>> I don't recall how they fire up the Brown, but will ask a crew member. >> >> >> And found out: >> >> They boot-strap with a giant air compressor. > >I suppose this thing is off the ship? So not something to do in the >middle of the sea. > >> They back-feed the saturated >> steam distribution, and can run the boiler blower, and fuel pump. That gets >> the boilers up to pressure. At 200 PSI, they shut everything down, close >> the compressor's valves, and then restart running off steam. The switch over >> takes about 15 minutes, and if too much pressure is lost you get to try >> again. >> >> The boilers are lit by lighting a torch with a piezo grill lighter. Then >> poking the torch into the back of the burner. Each boiler has four burners, >> and once one is burning, it will ignite the neighboring ones. So all you >> really have to do is open the fuel valve. >> > Kind of reminds me of when we had a BB&N C-70 installed in a panel truck and on mornings when it was below freezing (not *far* below, it was NC) the techs would go through with hair dryers and warm the disk drives before we applied power... -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) |
| Message-ID | <3HsSP.784$lK62.60@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #231012 |
On 2025-05-06, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote: > Kind of reminds me of when we had a BB&N C-70 installed in a panel truck > and on mornings when it was below freezing (not *far* below, it was NC) > the techs would go through with hair dryers and warm the disk drives before > we applied power... The big air conditioner in a machine room at a PPOE didn't have a thermostat (or so we thought; we later found one under the floor, turned all the way down). We'd turn it on in the morning when we fired up the mainframe, and turn it off along with the computer when we left. One weekend I forgot to turn off the air conditioner; when we got in on Monday our breath was almost fogging. The oil in the disk drives' hydraulic actuators had congealed, and the heads wouldn't load until we left everything powered up and spinning for half an hour. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 03:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vus666$3davg$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230722 |
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-04-28 16:59, Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software wrote: >> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the >> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has >> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few >> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a >> news server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a >> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying? > > Depends on the group. > > There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian > political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, > and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly > dedicated to computers or electronics. We had some of that gere for a while, but seem to have gotten past it. I try to keep politics to Threads.
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