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| Started by | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-28 14:59 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-30 03:41 +0000 |
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Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-28 14:59 +0000
Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 17:33 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-28 20:21 +0100
Re: Low traffic Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2025-04-28 19:00 -0600
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:18 +0000
Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-29 19:24 +0000
Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 12:58 -0700
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:39 +0000
Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 08:49 -0700
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:09 +0000
Re: Low traffic "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:41 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:36 +0000
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:14 +0000
Re: Low traffic songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-04-30 06:16 -0400
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 15:06 +0000
Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:25 +0000
Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 17:25 +0000
Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: Low traffic Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 20:17 -0700
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:36 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:59 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:18 +0000
Re: Low traffic "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-28 22:33 +0200
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-28 18:17 -0300
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:00 +0200
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:39 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:00 +0000
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:52 -0300
Re: Low traffic songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-04-28 18:01 -0400
Re: Low traffic Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-04-29 08:17 +0200
Re: Low traffic Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:33 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:14 +0200
Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 12:06 -0700
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:22 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:43 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:28 +0000
Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:12 +0200
Power plant cold start (Re: Low traffic) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:57 +0000
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:23 +0000
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 19:01 -0300
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:59 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:23 +0200
Re: Low traffic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-01 21:22 +0100
Re: Low traffic Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-02 21:02 +0200
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:13 +0000
Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:23 +0000
Re: Low traffic Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:52 +0100
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:13 +0200
Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 03:13 -0300
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-01 14:48 +0000
Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:50 +0000
Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-01 14:52 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:37 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:27 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:10 +0200
Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:47 +0000
Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:02 +0200
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:25 +0000
Re: Low traffic anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-05-15 15:12 +0000
Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:48 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 17:36 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-05-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 17:58 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:20 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 22:55 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 18:53 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 23:15 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 02:10 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:35 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 10:40 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:59 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 12:14 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 14:27 +0200
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-05-06 13:43 +0000
Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:41 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 01:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7il54FeaiqU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230855 |
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > City was silent, except for some cars. And very dark when the night > came, we could see the stars. Except for clouds I'm far enough from the city that I can see stars. When the lights went out and didn't come back for a while I walked up a hill where I could see most of the valley for a look. I could see lights in one of the outlying villages so I knew it wasn't a complete failure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965 When the lights went out that time my father and I drove to a place that overlooked the Hudson Valley and when we saw all the cities like Troy and Albany were dark we knew it was bad. I don't know if was indicative of the changing culture but there was very little looting in NYC in '65. Not so in '77. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 19:01 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87ecx6zn76.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #230886 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> City was silent, except for some cars. And very dark when the night >> came, we could see the stars. > > Except for clouds I'm far enough from the city that I can see stars. When I first moved to rural Nova Scotia in 1969, my little convoy of vans and pickups arriver at my new home at 9PM on April 1. The guy riding with me climbed down fron the cab, looked up and exclaimed, "Look at all the stars, Spencer! Look at all the fuckin stars!" > When the lights went out and didn't come back for a while I walked > up a hill where I could see most of the valley for a look. I could > see lights in one of the outlying villages so I knew it wasn't a > complete failure. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965 That was the year we lived in Boston. We went up on the roof and watched the Red Line MTA crew getting people off the Longfellow Bridge w/ emergency lighting. The rest of Boston was dark. > When the lights went out that time my father and I drove to a place that > overlooked the Hudson Valley and when we saw all the cities like Troy and > Albany were dark we knew it was bad. > > I don't know if was indicative of the changing culture but there was very > little looting in NYC in '65. Not so in '77. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977 -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 05:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7lpmsFu2toU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230913 |
On 02 May 2025 19:01:49 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > When I first moved to rural Nova Scotia in 1969, my little convoy of > vans and pickups arriver at my new home at 9PM on April 1. The guy > riding with me climbed down fron the cab, looked up and exclaimed, "Look > at all the stars, Spencer! Look at all the fuckin stars!" I spent several winters in Why Az. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why,_Arizona The photo sums it up nicely. It wasn't so much I could see more stars but I could sit out at night and really study them. The Milky Way stood out like I'd never seen before. I've lived almost all of my life in the north so the winter sky was something you admired very briefly before frostbite settled in. 'clear' is a synonym for 'colder than hell'.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 21:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1aucelx6pb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230763 |
On 2025-04-30 08:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-04-30 03:22, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian >>> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, >>> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly >>> dedicated to computers or electronics. >> >> Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US >> went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. > > Power failed at 12:30. The north of Spain got service soon, coming from > France. Some places got service at about 17 hours. By 22 hours about > half of the country was up. Mine was back at 22:55. Some friends of mine > at 00:30. Video, chaos in the streets! <https://www.reddit.com/r/allinspanish/comments/1kaskm9/10hour_blackout_in_spain_chaos_in_the_streets_j/> -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 21:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m7i3g2Fbu1vU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230856 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > <https://www.reddit.com/r/allinspanish/ > comments/1kaskm9/10hour_blackout_in_spain_chaos_in_the_streets_j/> Doing the Macarena (or similar) on train tracks!
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| From | Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 21:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5a5a1kds1fjjjud3ogff7brrtq77ik2esv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #230763 |
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 08:43:43 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >Candles are an engineering feat. The plainest issue, 2 cm diameter, 18 >cm long, made by IKEA (Jubla), are perfect, they never drip or bend. >Seem they have an outer layer with a higher melting point. And they sell >a perfect ceramic candle support (Godtagbar). The same type of candle >sold by a supermarket, they drip and are unreliable. Candles are great: "state of charge" is easily checked, indefinite shelf life unless grossly overheated (or attacked by mice), give both light and heat, both light and heat are scaleable by using more of them, and they have a simple user interface. Thomas Prufer
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 09:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7e7ueFh72vU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230754 |
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 01:22:27 +0000, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian >> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, >> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly >> dedicated to computers or electronics. > > Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US > went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. I think they took power from France, which may have helped. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2025-04-30 13:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <FvpQP.3042127$t84d.2100023@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #230775 |
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> writes: >On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 01:22:27 +0000, rbowman wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian >>> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, >>> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly >>> dedicated to computers or electronics. >> >> Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US >> went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. > >I think they took power from France, which may have helped. And from north africa. The Iberian peninsula is interconnected with both, in much the same way that California is with Arizona and the Pac NW.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 17:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vv08s9$33m1v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230785 |
On 2025-04-30, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> writes: >>On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 01:22:27 +0000, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian >>>> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, >>>> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly >>>> dedicated to computers or electronics. >>> >>> Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US >>> went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. >> >>I think they took power from France, which may have helped. > > And from north africa. The Iberian peninsula is interconnected > with both, in much the same way that California is with Arizona > and the Pac NW. What I've seen said in news outlets and by REN so far is that REE (Spain) took power from France and Morocco, REN (Portugal) bootstrapped with a dam and one thermal plant. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 21:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lotcelxdn6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230850 |
On 2025-05-01 18:52, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-04-30, Scott Lurndal wrote: > >> Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> writes: >>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 01:22:27 +0000, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian >>>>> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, >>>>> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly >>>>> dedicated to computers or electronics. >>>> >>>> Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US >>>> went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. >>> >>> I think they took power from France, which may have helped. >> >> And from north africa. The Iberian peninsula is interconnected >> with both, in much the same way that California is with Arizona >> and the Pac NW. > > What I've seen said in news outlets and by REN so far is that REE > (Spain) took power from France and Morocco, REN (Portugal) bootstrapped > with a dam and one thermal plant. > The restarting in Spain was done from hydro power too. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 03:13 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <878qng26zh.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> |
| In reply to | #230754 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US > went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. I have a lovely image as a metaphor for what a chore that must be. I once was given a tour of a Canadian Navy supply ship. Bridge full of high tech electronics. Below, the engine control room full of both electronic and vacuum line (? I forget) controls overlooking the huge main turbine and ancillary turbine. Aft, a large room filled by two huge 12-cylinder (IIRC) diesel engines. These can supply power to run everything needed to get the whole ship up and running. Near by, a "small" 8-cylinder diesel, about the size that would drive a 40' highway tractor-trailer rig, running a compressor that can make enough compressed air to get the big diesels started. What do you do if you have a cold ship, nothing running at all, no shore power, no electricity, no steam? In a corner of a lower-yet deck, there's a (possibly antique?) vertical-single-cylinder diesel. Bolted to the bulkhead is a hand crank. You unbolt the crank, crank up the single-banger which generates enough power to start the "small" diesel which starts the big diesels which... I don't know how often they test-run that little single-banger to ensure that it still goes. The crank looked like it hadn't been unbolted for years. -- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 14:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7hfu5Fh72vU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230830 |
On Thu, 01 May 2025 03:13:54 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > I don't know how often they test-run that little single-banger to ensure > that it still goes. The crank looked like it hadn't been unbolted for > years. And then you find you don't have a spanner for the bolt. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 20:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1017nkd.1b6ti.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #230845 |
On Thu, 01 May 2025 03:13:54 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: >> I don't know how often they test-run that little single-banger to ensure >> that it still goes. The crank looked like it hadn't been unbolted for >> years. On 2025-05-01, Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote: > And then you find you don't have a spanner for the bolt. There should be a spanner velcroed to the side of the backboard.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 14:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7hg4hFh72vU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230830 |
On Thu, 01 May 2025 03:13:54 -0300, Mike Spencer wrote: > In a corner of a lower-yet deck, there's a (possibly antique?) > vertical-single-cylinder diesel. Bolted to the bulkhead is a hand crank. > You unbolt the crank, crank up the single-banger which generates enough > power to start the "small" diesel which starts the big diesels which... > > > > I don't know how often they test-run that little single-banger to ensure > that it still goes. The crank looked like it hadn't been unbolted for > years. This is interesting reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_start We have 10 PCs running permanently here at home. There is a laminated list on the side of the main rack. It contains the sequence for a black start (from no machines on). -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 21:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u4vcelx6pb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230830 |
On 2025-05-01 08:13, Mike Spencer wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: > >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US >> went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now. > > I have a lovely image as a metaphor for what a chore that must be. > > I once was given a tour of a Canadian Navy supply ship. Bridge full of > high tech electronics. Below, the engine control room full of both > electronic and vacuum line (? I forget) controls overlooking the huge > main turbine and ancillary turbine. Aft, a large room filled by two > huge 12-cylinder (IIRC) diesel engines. These can supply power to run > everything needed to get the whole ship up and running. > > Near by, a "small" 8-cylinder diesel, about the size that would drive a > 40' highway tractor-trailer rig, running a compressor that can make > enough compressed air to get the big diesels started. > > What do you do if you have a cold ship, nothing running at all, no > shore power, no electricity, no steam? > > In a corner of a lower-yet deck, there's a (possibly antique?) > vertical-single-cylinder diesel. Bolted to the bulkhead is a hand > crank. You unbolt the crank, crank up the single-banger which generates > enough power to start the "small" diesel which starts the big diesels > which... Wow. > I don't know how often they test-run that little single-banger to > ensure that it still goes. The crank looked like it hadn't been > unbolted for years. Funny. One of the navy peculiarities is running periodical drills for everything. Recently I started watching a TV SciFi serial on Amazon, Spanish made: Punto Nemo. I could make a list of the things they do that the Navy would never do, but I forget, there are so many. One of them, is they start a generator in an abandoned island by just turning some big switches labelled in Russian. Later we learn that they use geothermal energy and that's why it still works. (!) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 01:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7ilbuFeaiqU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230857 |
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:37:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Recently I started watching a TV SciFi serial on Amazon, Spanish made: > Punto Nemo. I could make a list of the things they do that the Navy > would never do, but I forget, there are so many. One of them, is they > start a generator in an abandoned island by just turning some big > switches labelled in Russian. Later we learn that they use geothermal > energy and that's why it still works. (!) Hey, it's Hollywood. Or wherever the Spanish film industry lives.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <euofelxr9m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230887 |
On 2025-05-02 03:27, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:37:34 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Recently I started watching a TV SciFi serial on Amazon, Spanish made: >> Punto Nemo. I could make a list of the things they do that the Navy >> would never do, but I forget, there are so many. One of them, is they >> start a generator in an abandoned island by just turning some big >> switches labelled in Russian. Later we learn that they use geothermal >> energy and that's why it still works. (!) > > Hey, it's Hollywood. Or wherever the Spanish film industry lives. Of course, but there are serials that do a wonderful job, and others that do a terrible job. The Expanse is a wonderful job, for instance. In Spain I don't remember right now, Sci-Fi is not usual. I have a mental image of one SciFi movie that was good, but no idea of the title. But this particular serial they do wrong even naval/navy things, not yet SciFi. For instance, at some point they do apnoea diving. The diver goes down by moving her fins, while I understand they go down with a weight, that they release at the bottom. Much faster, does not use muscular effort. She needed to go down some 75 meters, I think. There are movies out there where the science is so bad that it is even funny and entertaining to watch them. Past the cringing point. This one I want to watch to the end. Pity that Amazon Prime Video app doesn't accept criticism or votes. So I watch half an episode at a time. Instead I watch "The Rig". -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 05:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m7lp0dFt7qdU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #230907 |
On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:10:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > The Expanse is a wonderful job, for instance. In Spain I don't remember > right now, Sci-Fi is not usual. I have a mental image of one SciFi movie > that was good, but no idea of the title. But this particular serial they > do wrong even naval/navy things, not yet SciFi. I watched a couple of episodes but didn't get interested. Perhaps I should try again. > For instance, at some point they do apnoea diving. The diver goes down > by moving her fins, while I understand they go down with a weight, that > they release at the bottom. Much faster, does not use muscular effort. > She needed to go down some 75 meters, I think. Synchronicity. I'd never heard free diving referred to that way but a couple of weeks ago I read a murder mystery that used it and explained how it wasn't related to sleep apnea. A young girl went missing and when the divers search the lake they found an old skeleton. She was apnea diving, had found the skeleton, and informed the wrong person about her find. It didn't turn out well for her but started a chain of events to find out why a 20 year old skeleton was there in the first place. > There are movies out there where the science is so bad that it is even > funny and entertaining to watch them. Past the cringing point. Have you seen 'Mr. Robot' ? Some of the plot twists are a little bizarre but at least the hacking scenes are believable compared to most of the shows.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 14:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <a7dhelx0p6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230931 |
On 2025-05-03 07:47, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:10:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > >> The Expanse is a wonderful job, for instance. In Spain I don't remember >> right now, Sci-Fi is not usual. I have a mental image of one SciFi movie >> that was good, but no idea of the title. But this particular serial they >> do wrong even naval/navy things, not yet SciFi. > > I watched a couple of episodes but didn't get interested. Perhaps I should > try again. Aside from the plot, the space parts are realistic. > >> For instance, at some point they do apnoea diving. The diver goes down >> by moving her fins, while I understand they go down with a weight, that >> they release at the bottom. Much faster, does not use muscular effort. >> She needed to go down some 75 meters, I think. > > Synchronicity. I'd never heard free diving referred to that way but a > couple of weeks ago I read a murder mystery that used it and explained how > it wasn't related to sleep apnea. A young girl went missing and when the > divers search the lake they found an old skeleton. She was apnea diving, > had found the skeleton, and informed the wrong person about her find. It > didn't turn out well for her but started a chain of events to find out why > a 20 year old skeleton was there in the first place. > >> There are movies out there where the science is so bad that it is even >> funny and entertaining to watch them. Past the cringing point. > > Have you seen 'Mr. Robot' ? Some of the plot twists are a little bizarre > but at least the hacking scenes are believable compared to most of the > shows. Not complete, I think. I stopped for some reason, and it is gone from my "currently watching" list. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 22:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vvbdt6$1f97o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230936 |
On Sat, 3 May 2025 14:02:18 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-03 07:47, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:10:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >> >>> The Expanse is a wonderful job, for instance. In Spain I don't >>> remember right now, Sci-Fi is not usual. I have a mental image of one >>> SciFi movie that was good, but no idea of the title. But this >>> particular serial they do wrong even naval/navy things, not yet SciFi. >> >> I watched a couple of episodes but didn't get interested. Perhaps I >> should try again. > > Aside from the plot, the space parts are realistic. > > >>> For instance, at some point they do apnoea diving. The diver goes down >>> by moving her fins, while I understand they go down with a weight, >>> that they release at the bottom. Much faster, does not use muscular >>> effort. She needed to go down some 75 meters, I think. >> >> Synchronicity. I'd never heard free diving referred to that way but a >> couple of weeks ago I read a murder mystery that used it and explained >> how it wasn't related to sleep apnea. A young girl went missing and >> when the divers search the lake they found an old skeleton. She was >> apnea diving, had found the skeleton, and informed the wrong person >> about her find. It didn't turn out well for her but started a chain of >> events to find out why a 20 year old skeleton was there in the first >> place. >> >>> There are movies out there where the science is so bad that it is even >>> funny and entertaining to watch them. Past the cringing point. >> >> Have you seen 'Mr. Robot' ? Some of the plot twists are a little >> bizarre but at least the hacking scenes are believable compared to most >> of the shows. > > Not complete, I think. I stopped for some reason, and it is gone from my > "currently watching" list. Same for me. I watched a couple of seasons, and then lost interest for some reason.
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