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  Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-28 14:59 +0000
    Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 17:33 +0000
      Re: Low traffic "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-04-28 20:21 +0100
        Re: Low traffic Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2025-04-28 19:00 -0600
          Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:18 +0000
            Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-29 19:24 +0000
              Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 12:58 -0700
                Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:39 +0000
                  Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 08:49 -0700
                    Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:09 +0000
              Re: Low traffic "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:41 +0200
              Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:36 +0000
                Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:14 +0000
                  Re: Low traffic songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-04-30 06:16 -0400
                    Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 15:06 +0000
                Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:25 +0000
                  Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
                    Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 17:25 +0000
                      Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
                Re: Low traffic Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-04-30 20:17 -0700
              Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:36 +0000
                Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:59 +0000
    Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:18 +0000
    Re: Low traffic "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-28 22:33 +0200
    Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-28 18:17 -0300
      Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:00 +0200
        Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:39 +0000
          Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:00 +0000
        Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:52 -0300
    Re: Low traffic songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-04-28 18:01 -0400
      Re: Low traffic Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-04-29 08:17 +0200
    Re: Low traffic Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:33 +0000
    Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:14 +0200
      Re: Low traffic John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-29 12:06 -0700
      Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:22 +0000
        Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:43 +0200
          Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 20:28 +0000
            Re: Low traffic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
            Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:12 +0200
              Power plant cold start (Re: Low traffic) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:57 +0000
              Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:23 +0000
                Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 19:01 -0300
                  Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:59 +0000
          Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:23 +0200
            Re: Low traffic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-05-01 21:22 +0100
          Re: Low traffic Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-02 21:02 +0200
        Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:13 +0000
          Re: Low traffic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:23 +0000
            Re: Low traffic Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-01 17:52 +0100
              Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:13 +0200
        Re: Low traffic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 03:13 -0300
          Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-01 14:48 +0000
            Re: Low traffic Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:50 +0000
          Re: Low traffic Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-01 14:52 +0000
          Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:37 +0200
            Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:27 +0000
              Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:10 +0200
                Re: Low traffic rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:47 +0000
                  Re: Low traffic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:02 +0200
                    Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:25 +0000
                Re: Low traffic anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-05-15 15:12 +0000
          Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:48 +0000
            Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 17:36 +0000
              Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-05-05 17:48 +0000
                Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 17:58 +0000
                  Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:20 +0000
                  Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 22:55 +0200
              Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 18:53 +0000
                Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-05 23:15 +0000
                  Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 02:10 +0000
                    Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:35 +0200
                      Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 10:40 +0000
                        Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:59 +0200
                          Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-06 12:14 +0000
                            Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 14:27 +0200
                      Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-05-06 13:43 +0000
                        Re: Cold starting power plants (Re: Low traffic) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
      Re: Low traffic Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:41 +0000

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#230758

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:24:26 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 19:00:37 -0600, Retrograde wrote:
>>> Always surprised me that so many oldtimers did not use an actual news
>>> client.
> 
> On 2025-04-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> Pan keeps chugging on but I'm not sure KDE has a stand-alone NNTP
>> client since the demise of KNode. I use slrn on the Fedora KDE spin
>> box.
> 
> Thunderbird contains a fairly nice news client.

I was using TBird, but switched to a new distro and had trouble 
configuring it. I'll try again, but I had larger fish to fry for a while.

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#230807

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 03:36:08 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:24:26 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 19:00:37 -0600, Retrograde wrote:
>>>> Always surprised me that so many oldtimers did not use an actual news
>>>> client.
>> 
>> On 2025-04-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> Pan keeps chugging on but I'm not sure KDE has a stand-alone NNTP
>>> client since the demise of KNode. I use slrn on the Fedora KDE spin
>>> box.
>> 
>> Thunderbird contains a fairly nice news client.
> 
> I was using TBird, but switched to a new distro and had trouble
> configuring it. I'll try again, but I had larger fish to fry for a
> while.

Maybe it wasn't just me. Email still works great but news had problems. 

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#230708

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:59:49 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the
> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has
> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few
> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a
> news server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a
> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?

It's not ES. I use individual.net with Pan and the group has been silent 
lately. There were some interesting threads, not necessarily exactly on 
topic, but they seem to have run their course and nothing new picked up.

I think it's more people that use Usenet dying rather than the 
infrastructure. Besides the forums reddit has more activity on r/linux or 
the more specialized ones like r/Fedora or r/ubuntu. 

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#230709

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:59:49 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

>  Is Usenet finally dying?

Not this again. People have been claiming Usenet is dead since the
nineties. Usenet will survive an atom bomb.

-- 
s|b

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#230710

Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:

> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the 
> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has 
> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few 
> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a news 
> server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a 
> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?

Nah, no more than a decade ago, two decades ago. I'm also on Eternal
September.

Ob-AFC: Remember when when SMTP just, yew know, worked?  Now, in
addition to several standardized additions to SMTP -- DKIM, SPF inter
alia -- too technical for my pay grade [1], MTA operators are now
inserting a mixed bag of DNSBLs, filter bots that make discriminatory
inferences from RDNS and whois etc.  MTA operators contract with third
parties to insert these filter services or email admins roll their own
version or combinations.

That leaves a humble user such as I to negotiate with my own ISP's
possibly impenetrable "support" or to hunt down individual ISP admins
or contracting filterbot admins and persuade them to install a
whitelist entry or otherwise find a workaround for email that evokes a
5xx bounce.

[1] I'm not an IT pro, just a retired artist blacksmith.  It's
    happenstance and personal idiosyncrasy that I know enough about
    IP, SMTP etc. to write this.  I suppose less fortuitously informed
    people just hit and become embedded in a wall of penc?


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#230721

On 2025-04-28 23:17, Mike Spencer wrote:
> Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
> 
>> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the
>> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has
>> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few
>> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a news
>> server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a
>> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?
> 
> Nah, no more than a decade ago, two decades ago. I'm also on Eternal
> September.
> 
> Ob-AFC: Remember when when SMTP just, yew know, worked?  Now, in
> addition to several standardized additions to SMTP -- DKIM, SPF inter
> alia -- too technical for my pay grade [1], MTA operators are now
> inserting a mixed bag of DNSBLs, filter bots that make discriminatory
> inferences from RDNS and whois etc.  MTA operators contract with third
> parties to insert these filter services or email admins roll their own
> version or combinations.
> 
> That leaves a humble user such as I to negotiate with my own ISP's
> possibly impenetrable "support" or to hunt down individual ISP admins
> or contracting filterbot admins and persuade them to install a
> whitelist entry or otherwise find a workaround for email that evokes a
> 5xx bounce.
> 
> [1] I'm not an IT pro, just a retired artist blacksmith.  It's
>      happenstance and personal idiosyncrasy that I know enough about
>      IP, SMTP etc. to write this.  I suppose less fortuitously informed
>      people just hit and become embedded in a wall of penc?

People just give up and embrace Google mail.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#230759

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:00:07 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-04-28 23:17, Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
>> 
>>> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in
>>> the Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has
>>> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few
>>> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a
>>> news server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a
>>> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?
>> 
>> Nah, no more than a decade ago, two decades ago. I'm also on Eternal
>> September.
>> 
>> Ob-AFC: Remember when when SMTP just, yew know, worked?  Now, in
>> addition to several standardized additions to SMTP -- DKIM, SPF inter
>> alia -- too technical for my pay grade [1], MTA operators are now
>> inserting a mixed bag of DNSBLs, filter bots that make discriminatory
>> inferences from RDNS and whois etc.  MTA operators contract with third
>> parties to insert these filter services or email admins roll their own
>> version or combinations.
>> 
>> That leaves a humble user such as I to negotiate with my own ISP's
>> possibly impenetrable "support" or to hunt down individual ISP admins
>> or contracting filterbot admins and persuade them to install a
>> whitelist entry or otherwise find a workaround for email that evokes a
>> 5xx bounce.
>> 
>> [1] I'm not an IT pro, just a retired artist blacksmith.  It's
>>      happenstance and personal idiosyncrasy that I know enough about
>>      IP, SMTP etc. to write this.  I suppose less fortuitously informed
>>      people just hit and become embedded in a wall of penc?
> 
> People just give up and embrace Google mail.

A lot of stuff has migrated off usenet to groups.io (and I assume possibly 
other places).

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#230808

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 03:39:43 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

> A lot of stuff has migrated off usenet to groups.io (and I assume
> possibly other places).

Some of the reddit tech subreddits are pretty good. 

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#230829

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

> On 2025-04-28 23:17, Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> writes:
>> 
>>> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the
>>> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has
>>> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few
>>> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a news
>>> server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a
>>> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?
>> 
>> Nah, no more than a decade ago, two decades ago. I'm also on Eternal
>> September.
>> 
>> Ob-AFC: Remember when when SMTP just, yew know, worked?  Now, in
>> addition to several standardized additions to SMTP -- DKIM, SPF inter
>> alia -- too technical for my pay grade [1], MTA operators are now
>> inserting a mixed bag of DNSBLs, filter bots that make discriminatory
>> inferences from RDNS and whois etc.  MTA operators contract with third
>> parties to insert these filter services or email admins roll their own
>> version or combinations.
>> 
>> That leaves a humble user such as I to negotiate with my own ISP's
>> possibly impenetrable "support" or to hunt down individual ISP admins
>> or contracting filterbot admins and persuade them to install a
>> whitelist entry or otherwise find a workaround for email that evokes a
>> 5xx bounce.
>> 
>> [1] I'm not an IT pro, just a retired artist blacksmith.  It's
>>      happenstance and personal idiosyncrasy that I know enough about
>>      IP, SMTP etc. to write this.  I suppose less fortuitously informed
>>      people just hit and become embedded in a wall of penc?
> 
> People just give up and embrace Google mail.

Gak!  Yeah, well, I guess I knew that.  Never say "never", y'know.  I
suppose were I to find myself living in a cardboard box under a
bridge with senile dementia creeping in, I *might* go for that.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#230711

Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software wrote:
> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the 
> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has 
> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few 
> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a news 
> server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a 
> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?

  spring for me means getting outside more and catching up
on all the things i need to get done.

  i'll often read along here but not have anything specific
to write.

  many fine groups from days of yore are mere whispers of
themselves.


  songbird

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#230716

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:01:47 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

>  spring for me means getting outside more and catching up
>on all the things i need to get done.
>
>  i'll often read along here but not have anything specific
>to write.
>
>  many fine groups from days of yore are mere whispers of
>themselves.
>
>
>  songbird


Mostly the above, for me!


Thomas Prufer

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#230714

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:59:49 -0000 (UTC), Peter Flass -- Iron Spring
Software wrote:

> A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has
> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few
> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread.

I used to contribute more material, up to a few months ago. But the 
responses seemed to be more hostile than helpful, so I gave up.

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#230722

On 2025-04-28 16:59, Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software wrote:
> I don't know if it's my setup or if there has been a disturbance in the
> Force. A.F.C is the only newsgroup I subscribe to that usually has
> significant traffic, but the last week or so there has only been a few
> posts on the "General Thoughts" thread. I use Eternal September as a news
> server and I just installed a new system and switched to Pan as a
> newsreader. Is Usenet finally dying?

Depends on the group.

There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian 
political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, 
and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly 
dedicated to computers or electronics.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#230725

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian 
> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy, 
> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group
> supposedly dedicated to computers or electronics.

I'm thoroughly convinced that they do this for essentially the same
reason that people expose themselves on the subway.

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#230754

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian
> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy,
> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly
> dedicated to computers or electronics.

Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US 
went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now.

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#230763

On 2025-04-30 03:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 20:14:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> There are some posters that pester technical groups with USAian
>> political posts. There are those that love certain orange haired guy,
>> and some that hate him. And they air their duels on a group supposedly
>> dedicated to computers or electronics.
> 
> Apropos of nothing I assume the 'black start' went okay? If the whole US
> went dark I doubt anyone would be online by now.

Power failed at 12:30. The north of Spain got service soon, coming from 
France. Some places got service at about 17 hours. By 22 hours about 
half of the country was up. Mine was back at 22:55. Some friends of mine 
at 00:30.

Radios and batteries ran out in shops. I have a rechargeable radio that 
held to the end at 2/3 charge. I was lucky to have charged it the day 
before just by chance. The house landline failed instantly, despite my 
UPS. My mobile phone worked all the time, intermittently, possibly I am 
serviced by the large antena at the old telephone exchange, so batteries 
and generator. Whatsapp worked, google did not. Other people had no 
service at all; I heard of people going in person to the offices of 
elevator maintenance to ask for rescue of their neighbours because their 
office phone was out. Only a handful of radio stations kept working 
where I live, four of them "official", belonging to the administration, 
and one commercial but modern music only.

Airports kept running, but accessing them was terrible. I'm just hearing 
the the "new non taxis" (uber and the like) raised the prices even thrice.

Cash only.

Pharmacies could not dish out medicines because the computer system was 
out, so no electronic prescriptions.


Amazing restoring work. I heard a detailed explanation on the radio. For 
those that understand spoken Spanish, 1 hour podcast: 
<https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2025/04/29/se-puede-repetir-el-apagon-un-experto-responde-la-duda-tras-la-caida-de-la-red-electrica-cadena-ser/?ssm=whatsapp>

Train service was not restored yesterday, today I haven't heard yet. 
They are the last thing, because it is a very strong load, and very 
variable, the worst thing for network stability.

No riots. No robberies. No shop owners defending their wares at gunpoint :-p

Five deaths. Three because of monoxide poisoning coming from a generator 
downstairs (installed by emergency services) because one of them needed 
a respirator to survive and battery was out. Apparently one of them 
moved the generator. Still being investigated. Another person somewhere 
else died when her respirator failed. And another one died in a fire 
caused by a candle falling into a carpet (and a dozen were harmed and 
rescued).

Candles are an engineering feat. The plainest issue, 2 cm diameter, 18 
cm long, made by IKEA (Jubla), are perfect, they never drip or bend. 
Seem they have an outer layer with a higher melting point. And they sell 
a perfect ceramic candle support (Godtagbar). The same type of candle 
sold by a supermarket, they drip and are unreliable.

Thick candles are not reliable, they all drip, eventually. They need a 
vase. And glass vases crack when the candle is spent and the flame 
touches the glass bottom, unless you put just a bit of aluminum foil 
(just the kitchen type is fine). And factories don't do this, just a 
coin sized aluminum thing holding the wick, too small to impede the 
cracking.


We are warned of scams now: people claiming they are going to verify our 
electrical installation at home, but in fact looking for money and 
jewels, or just to demand being paid for the check-up.


Ahh, I talk too much. :-}

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#230810

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 08:43:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Power failed at 12:30. The north of Spain got service soon, coming from
> France. Some places got service at about 17 hours. By 22 hours about
> half of the country was up. Mine was back at 22:55. Some friends of mine
> at 00:30.

That's pretty good. It was a local event but we had a windstorm last 
summer that took out a lot of power lines. Some poles were blown over 
directly but the area had a lot of Ponederosa pines. The mature ones run 
about 40m tall but they have very shallow root systems. When they went 
over they took out a lot of power lines as well as blocking roads and 
damaging cars or houses.

Power was restored to most of the city in a couple of days but I'm outside 
of the city so it was 6 days. It actually was restful. The days are long 
in the summer and it was pleasant outside. I didn't bother with the 
computers but I could charge the phone and Kindle from the car. The 
biggest problem was water since I'm on a well. 

Winter would have been a problem but I have a gas stove that doesn't need 
electricity so I wouldn't freeze. It still was a lesson in how dependent 
we are on electricity. 

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#230824

On 2025-04-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> Winter would have been a problem but I have a gas stove that doesn't need 
> electricity so I wouldn't freeze. It still was a lesson in how dependent 
> we are on electricity. 

Yup, and becoming more so.  The B.C. provincial government tried to
ban gas in new construction (and they're pushing new construction,
in the form of "densification", quite heavily).  They had to back
down on that one, but between mandated population growth and the
push to electric cars, I'm just waiting for the brownouts to start.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#230855

On 2025-04-30 22:28, rbowman wrote:

...

> Winter would have been a problem but I have a gas stove that doesn't need
> electricity so I wouldn't freeze. It still was a lesson in how dependent
> we are on electricity.

Absolutely.

There are a lot of small unnoticed things that you can not do without 
electricity.

City was silent, except for some cars. And very dark when the night 
came, we could see the stars.

Some people with solar panels learnt that they did not have electricity 
because they did not buy the option to run isolated. Their systems 
automatically power down when the network is out, it would be dangerous 
for other people.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#230864 — Power plant cold start (Re: Low traffic)

On 2025-04-30 22:28, rbowman wrote:
>> Winter would have been a problem but I have a gas stove that doesn't need
>> electricity so I wouldn't freeze. It still was a lesson in how dependent
>> we are on electricity.

On 2025-05-01, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> Absolutely.
>
> There are a lot of small unnoticed things that you can not do without 
> electricity.
>
> City was silent, except for some cars. And very dark when the night 
> came, we could see the stars.
>
> Some people with solar panels learnt that they did not have electricity 
> because they did not buy the option to run isolated. Their systems 
> automatically power down when the network is out, it would be dangerous 
> for other people.

Same at my house. The cost to convert to optionally run off-grid was
prohibitive. So we installed instead a 14kW generator that runs on
natural gas. If there is no natural gas supply, the dealer stocks
propane conversion kits; but we do not have a good place for a permanent
propane tank installation.

But new construction is already mandated to be all-electric.

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