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Too much for one lifetime? :-)

Started bygareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
First post2021-01-13 20:21 +0000
Last post2021-02-24 05:32 -0800
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  Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 20:21 +0000
    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "A.T. Murray" <mentificium@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 12:39 -0800
    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-13 20:59 +0000
      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2021-01-13 13:16 -0800
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 22:18 +0000
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 11:45 +0000
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-14 10:06 -0600
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-14 17:16 +0000
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-01-14 15:04 -0500
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 10:16 +0000
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 14:56 +0000
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 15:42 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-14 17:12 +0000
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 18:43 +0000
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-14 19:50 +0000
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-14 21:38 +0000
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 18:54 -0500
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-15 00:11 +0000
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-15 01:00 +0000
                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 23:32 -0500
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-15 21:56 -0500
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-14 16:00 -0500
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 14:07 -0500
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 21:20 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-14 18:01 -0400
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-14 23:41 +0000
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-15 02:21 -0400
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-17 11:00 +0000
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-17 11:59 +0000
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-17 17:44 +0000
                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-17 19:10 +0000
                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-18 11:42 +0000
                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2021-01-18 12:29 +0000
                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-18 10:23 -0500
                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-18 12:12 +0000
                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2021-01-18 09:17 -0600
                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-19 10:07 +0000
                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-19 10:14 +0000
                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-19 10:21 +0000
                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-19 11:17 +0000
                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2021-01-19 12:13 -0600
                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-19 21:39 +0000
                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-19 18:08 -0500
                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2021-01-20 04:22 -0600
                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-21 07:44 +0000
                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-22 17:49 -0700
                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-23 15:24 +0000
                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-23 20:24 +0000
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-24 12:49 +0000
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-24 13:13 +0000
                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-24 22:30 -0500
                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-25 07:00 +0000
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-25 21:56 -0500
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-26 08:28 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-26 09:35 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 21:51 -0500
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 04:41 -0500
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 22:03 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-27 07:03 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-27 09:50 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 18:21 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-28 00:34 -0500
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 12:29 -0600
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-29 17:53 -0500
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2021-01-27 19:46 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-27 20:41 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-01-27 13:00 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-28 00:39 -0500
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-28 17:39 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-29 17:51 -0500
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-30 09:56 +0000
                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-25 15:46 +0000
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-25 17:52 +0000
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-25 18:30 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-25 18:37 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-25 19:33 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-26 01:37 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-28 00:13 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-27 20:58 -0500
                                                      Re: just in case, Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-28 18:57 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 14:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-29 11:14 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-01-30 16:59 +0100
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-30 17:22 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-30 15:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-30 18:09 -0500
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-25 19:31 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-25 22:19 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-26 16:27 -0500
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-26 22:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 00:55 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-27 20:34 -0500
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 22:48 -0500
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-25 19:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-01-25 15:45 -0600
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-25 19:20 +0000
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Joacim Melin <Joacim.Melin@f1.n221.z2.fidonet.fi> - 2021-01-25 20:33 +0200
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-25 22:12 -0500
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-26 03:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-26 16:42 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-26 22:11 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-27 08:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 00:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 10:52 -0600
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-29 23:19 +0200
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-26 21:13 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-26 22:19 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 00:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-01-30 16:48 +0100
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-30 17:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-30 20:06 +0000
                                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-30 14:38 -0600
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-30 15:46 -0700
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-26 18:47 -0400
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 00:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 10:50 -0600
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 12:14 -0500
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 15:55 -0500
                                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 20:13 -0500
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-01-28 09:48 -0600
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-26 18:44 -0400
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 00:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-27 01:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-27 13:05 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-27 12:29 -0500
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-28 09:17 +0000
                                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 14:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 18:21 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-27 18:42 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-27 22:21 -0400
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-01-30 16:40 +0100
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-30 16:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-31 16:06 -0500
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-31 21:35 -0500
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-01 14:15 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-02-01 16:54 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-02-01 09:54 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-01 18:12 -0500
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-02-02 04:26 +0000
                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-25 16:02 -0700
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-26 01:47 +0000
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-26 08:23 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-26 09:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-26 10:16 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 19:21 -0500
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 11:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-26 18:31 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 19:23 -0500
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-25 22:35 -0500
                                                Learning European languages Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-26 04:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Learning European languages J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-25 23:32 -0500
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2021-01-26 04:58 -0800
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-26 13:18 +0000
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-27 17:55 +0000
                                                  Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 05:12 -0500
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Stefan Möding <Jan2021.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2021-01-26 11:59 +0100
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-26 13:58 +0000
                                                        Re: Learning European languages Stefan Möding <Jan2021.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2021-01-26 15:10 +0100
                                                          Re: Learning European languages Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-26 19:07 -0400
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 22:59 -0500
                                                        Re: Learning European languages Stefan Möding <Jan2021.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2021-01-27 07:44 +0100
                                                          Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-28 00:54 -0500
                                                            Re: Learning European languages Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-28 09:20 +0000
                                                              Re: Learning European languages Stefan Möding <Jan2021.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2021-01-28 11:06 +0100
                                                                Re: Learning European languages J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 08:42 -0500
                                                                  Re: Learning European languages gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 15:26 +0000
                                                                    Re: Learning European languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-28 18:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: Learning European languages lawrence <lawrence@cluon.com> - 2021-01-28 12:54 -0600
                                                                        Re: Learning European languages gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 20:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: Learning European languages gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 20:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-29 17:45 -0500
                                                                    Re: Learning European languages Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2021-02-20 18:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-20 13:12 -0500
                                                                        Re: Learning European languages Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2021-02-21 15:36 +0100
                                                                          Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-21 17:49 -0500
                                                                Re: Learning European languages Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> - 2021-01-29 01:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Learning European languages Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-31 18:09 +0200
                                                              Re: Learning European languages Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-28 10:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Learning European languages gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 11:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-29 17:50 -0500
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-26 13:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Learning European languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Learning European languages Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2021-01-26 22:23 +0000
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 23:15 -0500
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-27 00:06 -0500
                                                      Re: Learning European languages JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 10:58 -0600
                                                        Re: Learning European languages Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 12:17 -0500
                                                        Re: Learning European languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 18:21 +0000
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                        Re: Learning European languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-28 16:03 -0500
                                                          Re: Learning European languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-28 23:00 +0000
                                                            Email is collective (Was: Learning European languages) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-28 23:06 -0400
                                                              Re: Email is collective (Was: Learning European languages) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-29 17:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Email is collective (Was: Learning European languages) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-29 16:34 -0400
                                                                Re: Email is collective (Was: Learning European languages) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-29 19:58 -0500
                                                                  Re: Email is collective (Was: Learning European languages) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-30 15:46 -0700
                                                            Re: Learning European languages J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 23:30 -0500
                                                        Re: Learning European languages J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 16:24 -0500
                                                          Re: Learning European languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-28 23:00 +0000
                                                        Re: Learning European languages "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-28 22:12 +0000
                                                        Re: Learning European languages Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-28 22:44 -0400
                                                          Re: Learning European languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-29 20:01 -0500
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2021-01-31 19:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Learning European languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Learning European languages Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2021-01-31 20:02 +0000
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 12:03 -0600
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-26 18:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) jolomo@gmail.com (Joe Morris) - 2021-01-26 19:17 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 13:46 -0600
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 19:26 -0500
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-27 11:35 +0000
                                                          Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 18:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-)) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-27 20:46 -0500
                                                            Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-)) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-28 09:10 +0000
                                                              Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-)) drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-01-28 10:04 -0600
                                                              Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-28 18:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 16:16 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-26 18:25 -0400
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-27 06:46 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-27 17:49 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-27 18:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 10:47 -0600
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-28 09:12 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 12:30 -0600
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-28 15:52 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 21:57 -0500
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 13:43 -0600
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-26 20:49 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-26 18:31 -0400
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2021-01-27 00:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 19:34 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 22:01 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-27 04:21 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-28 00:31 -0500
                                                        Re: linguistic miracles, Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-28 19:13 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-01-26 14:05 -0600
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-26 16:34 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-29 17:57 -0500
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-01-29 19:55 -0500
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-30 04:58 -0500
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 21:56 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-27 11:32 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-27 12:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-27 13:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2021-01-29 04:05 -0600
                                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-29 16:45 -0400
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 10:55 -0600
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-27 18:21 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-27 19:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-27 16:00 -0500
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-28 00:13 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-27 19:00 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-28 00:43 -0500
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-01-28 10:10 -0600
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-28 16:19 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-28 14:37 -0500
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-28 20:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-28 14:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-28 22:15 +0000
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-29 11:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-29 12:18 +0000
                                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-29 17:08 +0000
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2021-01-29 10:21 -0600
                                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-29 17:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-29 17:15 +0000
                                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-29 17:14 +0000
                                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-29 11:58 -0700
                                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-29 14:38 -0600
                                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-29 21:02 +0000
                                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-30 14:09 -0600
                                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-31 00:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-30 20:27 -0600
                                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-31 05:35 +0000
                                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-31 01:37 -0500
                                                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-26 21:18 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-26 21:57 +0000
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-26 22:38 -0500
                                                    Re: life in Switzerland, Too much for one lifetime? :-) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-27 04:27 +0000
                                                      Re: life in Switzerland, Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-27 06:42 +0000
                                                        Re: life in Switzerland, Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-27 18:45 +0000
                                                          Re: life in Switzerland, Too much for one lifetime? :-) Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.de> - 2021-02-01 15:00 +0100
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-01-30 09:39 +0100
                                                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-02-26 14:22 -0800
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-02-26 22:40 +0000
                                                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-02-26 23:28 +0000
                                                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2021-02-27 10:43 +0000
                                                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-27 10:22 -0500
                                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-28 20:59 +0000
                                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-28 22:50 -0500
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-26 08:09 +0000
                                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2021-02-02 02:02 +0100
                                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2021-02-02 04:38 -0600
                                              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-02-02 11:20 +0000
                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-18 17:16 +0000
                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-19 10:04 +0000
                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-19 17:58 +0000
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-17 22:47 +0000
      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 22:12 +0000
      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Daniel <me@sci.fidan.com> - 2021-02-23 22:04 -0800
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-24 09:27 -0700
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-02-24 17:33 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 19:23 -0500
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-25 18:28 -0700
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-02-26 00:05 -0500
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 12:51 -0600
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-02-24 17:23 -0400
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 15:45 -0600
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-02-25 05:03 +0000
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-02-25 09:59 -0600
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-02-25 16:52 +0000
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2021-02-25 19:38 +0000
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-02-25 19:44 -0400
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-25 21:46 -0500
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-02-26 05:19 +0000
                      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-26 12:59 +0000
                        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-26 20:53 -0500
                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-27 10:51 +0000
                            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-02-27 11:19 +0000
                          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-02-27 10:17 -0500
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-25 18:28 -0700
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-02-26 13:52 -0600
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-02-26 10:53 -1000
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-25 18:29 -0700
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-26 12:56 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2021-09-29 12:27 -0500
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-29 17:34 +0000
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 13:32 -0500
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-09-30 01:50 -0400
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:10 -0500
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-09-29 19:54 +0100
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-09-30 01:48 -0400
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-09-30 12:51 -0400
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> - 2021-10-01 22:03 -0400
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-10-02 13:33 -0400
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-10-02 19:56 +0000
    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) "robertth...@googlemail.com" <robertthebilling@googlemail.com> - 2021-01-31 05:32 -0800
      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-31 15:58 +0000
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) PeterP <petep@palindrome.invalid> - 2021-01-31 21:27 +0000
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-31 22:11 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) PeterP <petep@palindrome.invalid> - 2021-01-31 22:50 +0000
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-01 14:08 +0000
                Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) PeterP <petep@palindrome.invalid> - 2021-02-01 17:49 +0000
                  Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-01 18:41 +0000
                    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) PeterP <petep@palindrome.invalid> - 2021-02-01 19:01 +0000
      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-31 19:32 -0400
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-02-01 09:24 -0600
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-02-01 11:45 -0700
      Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-01 21:34 +0000
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-02-01 18:19 -0500
          Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-02-02 04:26 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-02-02 01:13 -0500
              Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-02-02 06:50 +0000
            Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2021-09-29 12:12 -0500
        Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-02-02 09:21 -0600
    Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-02-24 05:32 -0800

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#216640 — Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-))

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2021-01-28 09:10 +0000
SubjectRe: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-))
Message-ID<i7fdcmFfkreU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#216615
On 2021-01-27, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> Stealing a .sig...
>
> On 2021-01-27, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>
>> One developer I worked with pronounced SQL as "squirrel" and PL/SQL as
>> "peeled squirrel". This was the guy with several squirrel skulls on the
>> top of his monitor. I inherited those when he was fired for punching
>> someone fairly senior in management.   -- John Burnham
>
> I always pronounced SQL as "squeal".  SQL*Forms was "squeal splat forms".
> That sounds suitably violent, although I never had any squirrel skulls
> on my monitor.

You're actually in my .sig collection as well, on that very subject:

Another of my pet peeves is the use of random special characters in names,
e.g. SQL*Forms. I pronounce that one "squeal splat forms" - sort of sounds
like roadkill, doesn't it?
                     -- Charlie Gibbs

Niklas
-- 
For my birthday I got a humidifier and a de-humidifier...I put them in the same
room and let them fight it out.
                         -- Steven Wright

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#216650 — Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-))

Fromdrb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone)
Date2021-01-28 10:04 -0600
SubjectRe: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-))
Message-ID<XaudnQMgOKDhfY_9nZ2dnUU7-budnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#216640
 > Another of my pet peeves is the use of random special characters in names,
 > e.g. SQL*Forms. I pronounce that one "squeal splat forms" - sort of sounds
 > like roadkill, doesn't it?
 >                      -- Charlie Gibbs

I've always figured skunks were named for the sounds that occur
as they're hit by a car.  SSssspray, *kunk*.  :)

De

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#216658 — Re: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-))

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2021-01-28 18:47 +0000
SubjectRe: Obligatory thread drift (was Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-))
Message-ID<ruv0se12e2u@news1.newsguy.com>
In reply to#216640
On 2021-01-28, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:

> On 2021-01-27, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Stealing a .sig...
>>
>> On 2021-01-27, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>>
>>> One developer I worked with pronounced SQL as "squirrel" and PL/SQL as
>>> "peeled squirrel". This was the guy with several squirrel skulls on the
>>> top of his monitor. I inherited those when he was fired for punching
>>> someone fairly senior in management.   -- John Burnham
>>
>> I always pronounced SQL as "squeal".  SQL*Forms was "squeal splat forms".
>> That sounds suitably violent, although I never had any squirrel skulls
>> on my monitor.
>
> You're actually in my .sig collection as well, on that very subject:
>
> Another of my pet peeves is the use of random special characters in names,
> e.g. SQL*Forms. I pronounce that one "squeal splat forms" - sort of sounds
> like roadkill, doesn't it?
>                      -- Charlie Gibbs

I am honoured.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  "Some of you may die,
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  but it's a sacrifice
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  I'm willing to make."
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Lord Farquaad (Shrek)

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#216668

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
Message-ID<872499630.633555656.818062.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#216572
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC), jolomo@gmail.com (Joe
> Morris) wrote:
> 
>> Not so long ago, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>>>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>>>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>>>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>>>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>>> 
>>>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>> 
>>> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
>>> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
>>> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
>>> of filthy lower-class joual.
>> 
>> When I was growing up in Texas, they taught Castillian Spanish
>> instead of what the locals spoke. I took Latin instead :)
> 
> In Florida I have no idea what kind of Spanish they were teaching.
> After observing the Spanish teacher attempting to correct the usage of
> a person born and raised in Spain who was employed by the Spanish
> government, I came to realize that the teacher had no idea either.
> 

I would think Cuban Spanish in Florida.

-- 
Pete

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#216677

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2021-01-28 16:16 -0500
Message-ID<l8a61glt9ehe0lmkli4drb1spm9f0deeau@4ax.com>
In reply to#216668
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:13:37 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:17:45 +0000 (UTC), jolomo@gmail.com (Joe
>> Morris) wrote:
>> 
>>> Not so long ago, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>>>>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>>>>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>>>>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>>>>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>>> 
>>>> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
>>>> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
>>>> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
>>>> of filthy lower-class joual.
>>> 
>>> When I was growing up in Texas, they taught Castillian Spanish
>>> instead of what the locals spoke. I took Latin instead :)
>> 
>> In Florida I have no idea what kind of Spanish they were teaching.
>> After observing the Spanish teacher attempting to correct the usage of
>> a person born and raised in Spain who was employed by the Spanish
>> government, I came to realize that the teacher had no idea either.
>> 
>
>I would think Cuban Spanish in Florida.

I could have actually found that out--we had a Cuban kid (as in
actually was born in Cuba and left when he was 14) who I could have
tried out on her.  But at the time I didn't know that there were
different flavors of Spanish.

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#216563

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2021-01-26 18:25 -0400
Message-ID<87zh0vmj3v.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#216540
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>
>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
> 
> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
> of filthy lower-class joual.

And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.

I have a fellow-blacksmith friend in Pliezhausen whose wife is
Schweizdeutsh.  She has to make a special effort, even after decades
in Germany, to speak Hochdeutsch.

As for my own German, I'm so hard of hearing that I have trouble with
my native English so my German excursions are limited to loud
one-liners of reading.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#216594

FromThomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
Date2021-01-27 06:46 +0000
Message-ID<rur28g$u2a$2@newsreader4.netcologne.de>
In reply to#216563
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> schrieb:

> And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
> French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.

The French are famous for treating everybody who speaks a dialect
of French with scorn. That also applies to Belgians and Swiss French.

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#216612

FromVir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-01-27 17:49 +0000
Message-ID<rus947$447$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#216594
On 27/01/2021 06:46, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> schrieb:
> 
>> And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
>> French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.
> 
> The French are famous for treating everybody who speaks a dialect
> of French with scorn. That also applies to Belgians and Swiss French.
> 
My French is appalling, but I get by (usually - but I'm married to an 
expert).

But I've only been to Paris once. The rumour I hear is that it's the 
Parisians, not the whole country.

Andy

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#216619

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2021-01-27 18:41 +0000
Message-ID<2tiQH.3384$nB3.3211@fx08.iad>
In reply to#216612
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>On 27/01/2021 06:46, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> schrieb:
>> 
>>> And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
>>> French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.
>> 
>> The French are famous for treating everybody who speaks a dialect
>> of French with scorn. That also applies to Belgians and Swiss French.
>> 
>My French is appalling, but I get by (usually - but I'm married to an 
>expert).
>
>But I've only been to Paris once. The rumour I hear is that it's the 
>Parisians, not the whole country.

When I was there, I didn't notice any scorn, even with the handful
of poorly pronounce words and phrases I knew.   But I don't fit
the ugly american stereotype :-)

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#216604

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2021-01-27 10:47 -0600
Message-ID<75631glov4mn7u31c6tms30kur51dovfob@4ax.com>
In reply to#216563
On 26 Jan 2021 18:25:08 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>>
>>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>> 
>> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
>> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
>> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
>> of filthy lower-class joual.
>
>And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
>French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.

I was told a few years ago, by a French Canadian, that Canadian French
is seen as 'poor people's French' by the Parisians.

-- 
Jim

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#216641

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2021-01-28 09:12 +0000
Message-ID<i7fdfoFfkreU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#216604
On 2021-01-27, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was told a few years ago, by a French Canadian, that Canadian French
> is seen as 'poor people's French' by the Parisians.

I hear from non-Parisian Frenchmen that it's mostly Parisians who match
the "snotty Frenchman" stereotype.

Niklas
-- 
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at a time.  If you copy too many lines, you may trigger a bug in the
system, and your window will become unstable.
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#216656

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2021-01-28 12:30 -0600
Message-ID<gl061g9oqbop6n3v2m0rk2e04uu6v3n2o4@4ax.com>
In reply to#216641
On 28 Jan 2021 09:12:24 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>On 2021-01-27, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was told a few years ago, by a French Canadian, that Canadian French
>> is seen as 'poor people's French' by the Parisians.
>
>I hear from non-Parisian Frenchmen that it's mostly Parisians who match
>the "snotty Frenchman" stereotype.
>
>Niklas

Gracias. ( no humor intended. )

-- 
Jim

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#216672

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2021-01-28 13:13 -0700
Message-ID<1112911501.633556956.396027.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#216604
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 Jan 2021 18:25:08 -0400, Mike Spencer
> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>> 
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>>>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>>>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>>>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>>>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>>> 
>>>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>>> 
>>> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
>>> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
>>> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
>>> of filthy lower-class joual.
>> 
>> And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
>> French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.
> 
> I was told a few years ago, by a French Canadian, that Canadian French
> is seen as 'poor people's French' by the Parisians.
> 

I have heard, though, that it’s closer to seventeenth-century French.
Likewise some people in Appalachia speak a dialect that’s close to
Shakespeare’s English.

-- 
Pete

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#216674

FromRich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Date2021-01-28 15:52 -0500
Message-ID<mddh7n0dbsp.fsf@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#216672
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 26 Jan 2021 18:25:08 -0400, Mike Spencer
>> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>>>>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>>>>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>>>>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>>>>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>>>> 
>>>> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
>>>> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
>>>> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
>>>> of filthy lower-class joual.
>>> 
>>> And English Quebecois friends who are nevertheless fluent in Quebec
>>> French report being treated with scorn when in Paris.
>> 
>> I was told a few years ago, by a French Canadian, that Canadian French
>> is seen as 'poor people's French' by the Parisians.
>> 
> 
> I have heard, though, that it’s closer to seventeenth-century French.
> Likewise some people in Appalachia speak a dialect that’s close to
> Shakespeare’s English.

Both are urban legends, like the "Eskimo words for snow" trope.

-- 
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      Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
	  omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
									--Galen

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#216581

FromAndreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Date2021-01-26 21:57 -0500
Message-ID<87lfcfcciy.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>
In reply to#216540
On 26 Jan 2021 18:34:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> On 2021-01-26, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>
>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>
> By the same token, Canadian schools taught Parisian French.
> Many people felt we should be taught Quebec French, although
> there was some concern that we might all sink into some sort
> of filthy lower-class joual.

Tabarnak!
-- 
Andreas

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#216548

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2021-01-26 12:06 -0700
Message-ID<2084667421.633380598.940468.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#216538
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 22:35:07 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 16:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:49:09 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has the EU solved the “official language” problem yet? I read somewhere
>>>>> that Gaelic is the official language of Ireland ( maybe co-equal  with
>>>>> English?) and with BREXIT that left no EU member whose official language
>>>>> was English, so it was no longer an official language of the EU. 
>>>> 
>>>> There is no language problem in the EU. English is and was the language
>>>> of business and IT, and that is unlikely to change.
>>>> 
>>>> I heard that if you want to work in an office at Nestle in Switzerland
>>>> speaking any of the four Swiss languages (German, French, Italian and
>>>> Romansh, sorted by numbers of speakers) won't help. You need to speak
>>>> English.
>>>> 
>>>> But if you want to have a "new official language" in the EU you might
>>>> have to look at German. 
>>> 
>>> Somewhere I read that official EU documents have to be published in the
>>> official language of each of the member states. If no country has English
>>> as its official language then English is no longer required.
>> 
>> The EU has still a long way ahead to become one country. So documents are
>> handled like in the past X hundred year inside of every country. That
>> might be different in the European parliament. Am guessing here and
>> assume they are issued in all languages of the members of the EU. Some
>> countries, like Germany, Austria and parts of Switzerland can be
>> eliminated because they speak German, while France and Italy take care
>> of the French and Italian parts of Switzerland.
>> 
>> Then look at the United Nations HQ in New York. Suppose not everyone
>> speaks English.
>> 
>>>> German speakers account for the largest group
>>>> inside Europe. But that won't happen either. Everybody seems to be happy
>>>> with English now. And German is much harder to learn than English, if you
>>>> are from Spain, France, Italy or any other country with its own proper
>>>> language.
>>> 
>>> Every country is jealous of its own language. The French would probably
>>> never accept German, and vise-versa.
>> 
>> Yes, I agree.
>> 
>>> I would think English is a much harder language than German because of
>>> its quixotic spelling and pronunciation.
>> 
>> I guess you're wrong here.
>> 
>> Anyone here not a native English speaker, who learned English and German,
>> can tell what was harder to learn?
>> 
>>> Its only advantage is its ubiquity, so everyone has some exposure to
>>> it. German is pronounced as it’s spelled.
>> 
>> With few exception, plus regional differences.
>> 
>>>> I don't think anybody wants to learn German or Gaelic in Europe.
>>> 
>>> I (sort of) learned German for a number of reasons. One of them is that
>>> it’s the most widely-spoken language. I’d love to learn Gaelic, among
>>> others, but I think 1-1/2 languages are about my limit.
>> 
>> German most widely spoken? I assume that is either Chinese (well they
>> have different flavors), Hindu (they also have) or Spanish. Almost all
>> countries of South America (Brazil might be one of the few exceptions)
>> have Spanish as official language.
>> 
>> French might also have a large area outside mainland France. Many African
>> countries for example.
> 
> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
> 
> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
> 

You probably could, if you were in Madrid. Barcelona is in Catalonia, and
Catalan is common, and  onsidered a separate language. I always thought US
schools should teach Mexican Spanish.

-- 
Pete

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#216550

FromJimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
Date2021-01-26 13:43 -0600
Message-ID<p3s01g5tl5fqrmo1m0digliqbhjqilb613@4ax.com>
In reply to#216548
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:06:30 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 22:35:07 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
>> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 16:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:49:09 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has the EU solved the ?official language? problem yet? I read somewhere
>>>>>> that Gaelic is the official language of Ireland ( maybe co-equal  with
>>>>>> English?) and with BREXIT that left no EU member whose official language
>>>>>> was English, so it was no longer an official language of the EU. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is no language problem in the EU. English is and was the language
>>>>> of business and IT, and that is unlikely to change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I heard that if you want to work in an office at Nestle in Switzerland
>>>>> speaking any of the four Swiss languages (German, French, Italian and
>>>>> Romansh, sorted by numbers of speakers) won't help. You need to speak
>>>>> English.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But if you want to have a "new official language" in the EU you might
>>>>> have to look at German. 
>>>> 
>>>> Somewhere I read that official EU documents have to be published in the
>>>> official language of each of the member states. If no country has English
>>>> as its official language then English is no longer required.
>>> 
>>> The EU has still a long way ahead to become one country. So documents are
>>> handled like in the past X hundred year inside of every country. That
>>> might be different in the European parliament. Am guessing here and
>>> assume they are issued in all languages of the members of the EU. Some
>>> countries, like Germany, Austria and parts of Switzerland can be
>>> eliminated because they speak German, while France and Italy take care
>>> of the French and Italian parts of Switzerland.
>>> 
>>> Then look at the United Nations HQ in New York. Suppose not everyone
>>> speaks English.
>>> 
>>>>> German speakers account for the largest group
>>>>> inside Europe. But that won't happen either. Everybody seems to be happy
>>>>> with English now. And German is much harder to learn than English, if you
>>>>> are from Spain, France, Italy or any other country with its own proper
>>>>> language.
>>>> 
>>>> Every country is jealous of its own language. The French would probably
>>>> never accept German, and vise-versa.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I agree.
>>> 
>>>> I would think English is a much harder language than German because of
>>>> its quixotic spelling and pronunciation.
>>> 
>>> I guess you're wrong here.
>>> 
>>> Anyone here not a native English speaker, who learned English and German,
>>> can tell what was harder to learn?
>>> 
>>>> Its only advantage is its ubiquity, so everyone has some exposure to
>>>> it. German is pronounced as it?s spelled.
>>> 
>>> With few exception, plus regional differences.
>>> 
>>>>> I don't think anybody wants to learn German or Gaelic in Europe.
>>>> 
>>>> I (sort of) learned German for a number of reasons. One of them is that
>>>> it?s the most widely-spoken language. I?d love to learn Gaelic, among
>>>> others, but I think 1-1/2 languages are about my limit.
>>> 
>>> German most widely spoken? I assume that is either Chinese (well they
>>> have different flavors), Hindu (they also have) or Spanish. Almost all
>>> countries of South America (Brazil might be one of the few exceptions)
>>> have Spanish as official language.
>>> 
>>> French might also have a large area outside mainland France. Many African
>>> countries for example.
>> 
>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>> 
>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>> 
>
>You probably could, if you were in Madrid. Barcelona is in Catalonia, and
>Catalan is common, and  onsidered a separate language. I always thought US
>schools should teach Mexican Spanish.

None of my high school Spanish teachers were from Mexico. I had my
first class in Texas. IIRC, my teachers were from Columbia, Nicaragua,
and Cuba. My junior college teacher in Spanish, as far I could tell,
didn't grow up speaking Spanish, but she was very good at it.

-- 
Jim

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#216553

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2021-01-26 20:49 +0000
Message-ID<bf%PH.5553$Ns5.5043@fx41.iad>
In reply to#216550
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:06:30 -0700, Peter Flass

>>> 
>>> In US high schools we were taught Castilliano Spanish. A closer to
>>> formal Spanish, I have been told. I know that when I tried to use what
>>> I remembered when my ship pulling into Barcelona, I was told they
>>> couldn't understand me. Then someone pointed out, in English, I was
>>> speaking a version of Spanish common in one province of Spain.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea why we weren't taught something we could use.
>>> 
>>
>>You probably could, if you were in Madrid. Barcelona is in Catalonia, and
>>Catalan is common, and  onsidered a separate language. I always thought US
>>schools should teach Mexican Spanish.
>
>None of my high school Spanish teachers were from Mexico. I had my
>first class in Texas. IIRC, my teachers were from Columbia, Nicaragua,
>and Cuba. My junior college teacher in Spanish, as far I could tell,
>didn't grow up speaking Spanish, but she was very good at it.

That was, I suppose many decades ago now.

My nieces both went to spanish immersion school for the six
years of grade school in california.   It's been immeasurably
useful for both as adults.

My niece's car had been stolen when she was in Oakland
on business a few years back - when it was recovered she
and her mom (nordic blonde types) went to the auto shop
where the recovered vehicle was stored to pick it up and
the employees started making lewd comments in spanish,
which my niece quickly shut down in literate spanish and they became
quite cooperative.

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#216565

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2021-01-26 18:31 -0400
Message-ID<87v9bjmity.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#216550
JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:

> None of my high school Spanish teachers were from Mexico. I had my
> first class in Texas. IIRC, my teachers were from Columbia, Nicaragua,
> and Cuba. My junior college teacher in Spanish, as far I could tell,
> didn't grow up speaking Spanish, but she was very good at it.

Circa 1957, my high school German teacher took a leave of absence due
to her husband's illness and subsequent death.  The substitute was
Mrs. Gagliarducci, fluent in Italian, ignorant of even the basic
pronounciation rules of German, not a word of vocabulary, but
officially designated as a "language teacher", thus qualified to fill
the slot.

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#216569

FromElliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>
Date2021-01-27 00:10 +0000
Message-ID<ruqb2a$6h1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#216565
On 26 Jan 2021 at 22:31:05 GMT, "Mike Spencer" <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
wrote:

> Circa 1957, my high school German teacher took a leave of absence due
> to her husband's illness and subsequent death.  The substitute was
> Mrs. Gagliarducci, fluent in Italian, ignorant of even the basic
> pronounciation rules of German, not a word of vocabulary, but
> officially designated as a "language teacher", thus qualified to fill
> the slot.

Damn lucky she was not officially designated as an espresso machine!
-- 
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