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| Started by | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2020-12-28 16:19 +0000 |
| Last post | 2020-12-29 13:06 -0600 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 577 — 38 participants |
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Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-28 16:19 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-28 10:42 -0600
Re: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-28 12:50 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-28 11:16 -0700
Re: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-28 18:43 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-28 23:48 +0100
Re: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-12-29 02:44 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-12-29 13:04 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-12-29 13:08 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-12-30 20:25 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-29 07:36 -0700
Re: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 10:08 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 12:58 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 14:22 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 15:10 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 16:07 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 17:15 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 12:50 +0100
Re: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-29 21:48 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-29 17:05 +0000
car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2020-12-29 17:43 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 13:00 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-12-29 20:05 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 16:01 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 17:24 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-29 23:36 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 16:58 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-31 22:45 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-12-31 18:38 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-01 11:12 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 13:28 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-02 06:02 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 08:50 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 13:14 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 13:40 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 13:43 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-02 19:15 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 14:43 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 14:56 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 15:17 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 18:16 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 19:46 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 19:54 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-04 17:33 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 12:06 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 11:09 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:46 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2021-01-06 17:38 -0800
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-07 16:32 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-07 21:24 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-02 20:25 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-02 21:40 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-03 03:14 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 23:11 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 23:49 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 23:52 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-04 17:33 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:48 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 08:07 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 13:12 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-04 15:10 +0000
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-04 18:13 +0000
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 13:21 -0500
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-04 19:22 +0000
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-05 00:01 +0000
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-04 18:57 +0000
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 14:28 -0500
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-04 19:55 +0000
Re: the power and the screwups, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 21:11 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 12:06 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-02 20:20 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 15:51 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 19:29 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-03 14:48 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-04 21:22 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-04 22:47 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-04 23:07 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 20:26 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-05 18:15 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-05 20:12 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 17:15 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-07 01:41 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-07 07:04 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-08 21:39 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-09 01:16 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-09 12:54 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-10 09:36 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:29 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-09 05:46 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-10 11:28 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-07 12:02 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-08 21:39 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-09 05:47 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-09 17:18 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-09 17:51 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-09 19:19 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-09 21:02 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:55 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 22:22 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 13:15 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 16:24 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-14 21:56 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-14 21:56 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-10 11:29 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2021-01-10 06:31 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-10 13:25 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 00:20 +0000
Re: autonomous car directing, was charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-11 00:38 +0000
Re: autonomous car directing, was charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 00:51 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-11 15:46 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:30 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-01-10 19:45 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 21:27 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 10:18 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 18:23 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:56 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-11 08:31 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-11 12:16 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-11 20:15 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 20:39 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 21:04 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 22:04 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:56 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 09:13 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 12:31 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:31 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 15:41 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-10 20:59 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:57 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-12 12:06 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-12 21:42 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 09:31 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-10 21:20 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:58 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-11 22:06 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-01-11 21:47 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-12 21:43 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 22:37 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-01-11 21:45 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-12 03:32 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-10 20:57 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-11 12:15 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:57 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 22:42 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 09:36 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 13:15 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 12:29 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-14 09:47 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 12:36 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-14 19:53 +0000
Re: bad predictions, was autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-14 21:23 +0000
Re: bad predictions, was autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 18:58 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 13:10 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-15 12:05 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-12 21:43 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-12 23:47 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 13:15 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-01-13 16:49 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2021-01-15 16:21 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-14 12:30 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-14 21:51 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-15 11:52 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 13:13 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-15 19:40 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-15 21:49 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 18:18 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-15 23:14 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-16 09:03 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-16 09:29 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-10 18:32 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:59 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-01-12 21:36 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-13 20:20 +0000
Re: autonomous car tricks, was charging John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-13 22:11 +0000
Re: autonomous car tricks, was charging usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-14 21:55 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-10 18:32 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-10 18:26 -0400
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-10 11:28 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2021-01-10 20:00 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-11 12:16 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-11 20:35 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:55 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 13:15 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 16:41 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-14 21:56 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 13:19 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-15 21:21 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-15 18:35 -0600
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-16 20:00 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-17 11:49 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-17 17:59 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-17 21:43 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-19 11:32 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-15 21:35 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-14 22:52 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-11 22:17 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 18:58 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-12 19:52 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 16:27 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 13:15 -0700
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 16:46 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-14 22:52 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2021-01-13 16:48 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-13 23:00 -0500
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-14 22:52 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-14 21:57 +0000
Re: autonomous car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-05 18:14 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 16:54 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-05 18:14 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-05 18:14 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-05 19:46 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-07 01:41 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-07 07:27 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-10 11:28 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 09:07 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 12:29 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:29 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-10 18:51 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 15:40 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-10 20:54 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-11 00:45 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:55 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 16:51 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:54 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-11 22:18 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-11 23:26 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 18:50 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-12 21:41 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 15:48 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-10 18:13 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 13:35 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-10 20:25 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 17:19 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-11 00:40 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 21:25 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 12:51 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-11 21:00 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-12 09:24 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-10 20:56 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-10 17:21 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-11 12:15 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-11 18:52 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-11 21:54 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-13 13:15 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-07 22:14 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 17:36 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-08 21:40 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-09 13:31 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-11 21:13 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-05 14:06 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-05 21:21 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 17:13 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-07 01:41 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-07 07:28 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-07 12:24 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-07 12:40 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-07 19:29 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-08 21:38 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-08 18:12 -0700
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> - 2021-01-09 02:56 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 22:02 -0500
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-10 11:28 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-10 06:40 -0700
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-11 08:41 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-11 15:56 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-11 21:16 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-09 08:56 +0000
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 11:46 -0500
Re: how not do self-drive, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-07 19:29 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-07 01:41 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-07 07:32 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-02 14:06 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 08:07 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 11:51 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 13:43 -0500
Re: dim bulbs, not car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-03 22:35 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 13:16 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 23:55 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 12:06 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 15:55 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-06 02:25 -0400
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 07:31 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-06 17:04 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2021-01-07 21:32 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 17:37 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 17:59 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 22:24 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 22:37 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-07 23:05 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2021-01-08 20:05 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 16:01 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 17:09 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 14:34 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-08 20:41 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-11 21:19 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-08 18:12 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 20:45 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-08 18:12 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-08 20:42 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-10 06:40 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 13:09 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 08:07 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 13:30 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-03 21:35 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2021-01-03 22:13 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 20:07 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:41 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-02 20:47 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 17:37 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-01 19:24 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2021-01-02 00:36 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 21:24 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2021-01-02 03:55 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 23:29 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 12:53 +0100
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 12:06 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 14:38 +0100
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-30 15:02 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 11:22 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-31 02:12 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-31 01:34 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-12-31 11:53 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 10:13 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2021-01-02 17:20 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 13:23 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 20:42 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2021-01-02 17:26 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 13:39 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-31 18:29 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2021-01-02 17:35 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 12:35 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 16:59 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 15:23 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 18:05 -0500
Re: thar she blows, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-01 02:26 +0000
Re: thar she blows, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 23:12 -0500
Re: thar she blows, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2021-01-01 04:41 +0000
Re: thar she blows, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-01 11:12 -0700
Re: thar she blows, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 15:17 -0600
Re: thar she blows, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 21:46 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-01 11:12 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-01 13:29 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 08:54 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-05 17:35 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 11:38 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 11:26 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2021-01-02 17:38 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2021-01-02 23:25 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 11:12 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 12:34 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-31 18:47 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 14:03 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-31 22:16 +0000
Re: polish enigmas, car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 11:32 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-01-01 19:22 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-02 11:26 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 09:44 -0600
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-02 16:50 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 08:07 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2021-01-02 19:00 +0000
Re: bombes, was car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-02 19:13 +0000
Re: bombes, was car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 14:53 -0500
Re: Enigma and early computers antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-01-03 19:44 +0000
Re: Enigma and early computers Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-01-03 16:03 -0600
Re: Enigma and early computers antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-01-04 01:06 +0000
Re: memories of Enigma and early computers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-03 22:46 +0000
Re: memories of Enigma and early computers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-04 10:07 +0000
Re: memories of Enigma and early computers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-04 18:57 +0000
Re: Enigma and early computers Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-01-04 21:07 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2021-01-02 17:36 +0200
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 17:07 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-02 20:20 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-03 11:50 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-12-30 11:08 +0000
Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2020-12-29 21:35 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-29 22:51 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-12-30 11:31 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 12:56 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-12-30 13:12 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 14:41 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-30 18:15 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2020-12-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-12-30 15:10 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2020-12-30 15:42 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2020-12-30 16:21 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 12:13 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 14:43 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-30 19:00 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-30 19:11 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 20:08 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-30 21:54 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-30 21:55 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-12-31 12:50 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 16:50 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-01 20:44 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-01 21:44 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:22 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:31 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 15:48 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-30 19:27 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-06 05:59 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-06 06:37 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 12:03 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-07 17:58 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-31 21:25 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 14:54 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 17:15 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 17:07 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-31 22:58 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 18:13 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-01 11:27 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-12-31 18:40 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-01 11:05 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-30 15:19 +0200
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 14:44 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-12-30 14:06 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 15:13 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-12-30 14:29 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 10:14 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 16:41 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 15:34 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-06 05:42 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:07 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:31 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 21:44 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-31 21:35 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 16:08 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 23:16 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 15:25 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 11:27 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 17:00 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 15:20 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-31 19:03 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 15:38 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-01 20:44 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-31 21:30 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-06 06:06 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-30 16:41 +0200
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-12-30 14:46 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:10 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-06 05:56 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 07:37 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-06 13:12 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 12:09 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-06 18:41 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-06 13:29 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 12:11 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-06 18:01 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 15:11 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-06 20:38 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 16:45 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-06 22:28 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 11:33 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 17:26 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-30 19:08 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 20:20 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2021-02-02 02:50 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 10:13 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:12 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 15:27 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 22:57 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 22:27 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-30 18:33 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 14:19 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-03 21:27 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-03 21:55 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-03 19:57 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-01-04 03:00 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2021-01-04 13:58 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-04 17:33 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 13:00 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 14:35 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-04 21:29 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 17:46 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-04 23:11 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 12:06 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-04 20:00 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2021-01-04 22:15 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-04 21:29 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2021-01-06 03:10 -0400
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2021-01-05 09:57 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-05 11:59 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-05 20:12 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2021-01-07 21:48 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-04 10:44 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 07:23 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2021-01-04 22:11 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-30 19:27 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-12-30 16:46 -0400
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 22:16 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 21:45 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 14:51 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:14 +0100
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-31 01:54 +0200
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 20:24 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2021-01-02 17:17 +0200
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-02 15:55 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2021-01-02 16:29 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-02 17:08 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2021-01-02 19:42 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-02 20:05 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2021-02-02 03:20 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-01-04 03:25 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2021-01-08 21:40 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2021-01-09 08:51 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-07 16:33 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 12:46 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-02 12:44 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-31 13:04 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-31 16:55 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-12-31 22:23 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-12-31 21:43 -0600
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2021-01-06 06:04 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-01-06 07:39 -0500
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-01-06 13:31 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-06 21:41 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-01-07 09:18 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-01-07 19:29 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-06 06:37 -0700
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-31 21:44 +0000
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-01-01 15:35 +0200
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 17:30 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-29 14:18 -0700
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 17:26 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-29 18:18 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-29 19:50 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 14:59 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-29 21:50 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-12-30 16:52 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-30 06:48 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-30 11:16 -0500
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-12-30 16:54 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-30 19:27 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 17:18 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 20:25 +0100
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 20:54 +0000
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-30 23:08 +0100
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-12-30 23:01 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-12-29 19:28 -0600
Re: Adobe oddity? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-28 19:37 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-28 15:00 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-28 15:53 -0700
Re: Adobe oddity? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-12-28 19:00 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-12-29 09:40 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-29 15:01 +0200
Re: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-29 07:36 -0700
Re: Adobe oddity? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 10:10 -0500
Re: Adobe oddity? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-12-29 18:11 +0200
Re: Adobe oddity? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-12-29 13:18 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-12-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 17:16 -0600
Re: Adobe oddity? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2020-12-28 21:43 +0000
Re: Flash is dead, Adobe oddity? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-12-28 22:18 +0000
Re: Flash is dead, Adobe oddity? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2020-12-28 22:30 +0000
Re: Adobe oddity? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-28 20:24 +0100
Re: Adobe oddity? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-28 15:52 -0700
Re: Adobe oddity? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-12-29 13:06 -0600
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 16:01 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <rtah7j$gti$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #216143 |
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes: > On Fri, 2021-01-08, Dan Espen wrote: >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:59:55 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > ... >>>>> But do you fine people $75 a day for every day that there is a >>>>> dandelion taller than 12 inches? >>>> >>>>Okay, you've got me. >>>>Is this an HOA? Are you next to a golf course? Explain. >>> >>> Town government that is run like an HOA. They see "blight", defined >>> as "weeds (meaning one dandelion) taller than 12 inches" as a revenue >>> opportunity. They have a bunch of other ridiculous stuff in the same >>> vein. >> >> A whole town? Holy crap! >> >> 12 inches is pretty tall for a dandelion, at least the ones around here. >> But they shoot up fast, like overnight. >> >> If I knew where this place was, I'd be tempted to drive past town hall with >> a bunch of dandelion seeds to float out the car window. > > If I lived there I'd grow plants which look like dandelions but are taller. > Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picris_hieracioides > > (In fast I /did/ grow it last year; I have thousands of seeds now.) That plant differs from a dandelion in a lot of ways. If you grew it in your lawn they might fine you anyway, it would still be a weed. -- Dan Espen
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 17:09 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
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| In reply to | #216143 |
On 8 Jan 2021 20:05:49 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >On Fri, 2021-01-08, Dan Espen wrote: >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:59:55 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >... >>>>> But do you fine people $75 a day for every day that there is a >>>>> dandelion taller than 12 inches? >>>> >>>>Okay, you've got me. >>>>Is this an HOA? Are you next to a golf course? Explain. >>> >>> Town government that is run like an HOA. They see "blight", defined >>> as "weeds (meaning one dandelion) taller than 12 inches" as a revenue >>> opportunity. They have a bunch of other ridiculous stuff in the same >>> vein. >> >> A whole town? Holy crap! >> >> 12 inches is pretty tall for a dandelion, at least the ones around here. >> But they shoot up fast, like overnight. >> >> If I knew where this place was, I'd be tempted to drive past town hall with >> a bunch of dandelion seeds to float out the car window. > >If I lived there I'd grow plants which look like dandelions but are taller. >Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picris_hieracioides > >(In fast I /did/ grow it last year; I have thousands of seeds now.) Now there's a temptation. Of course if I wanted to be an ass about it I'd dump a load of fertilizer on the attack roses and skip town.
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 14:34 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <ndghvfpduh60li9pt2rb91dsa2s9butana@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #216139 |
On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:37:04 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:59:55 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2021 21:32:18 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 2021-01-06, Mike Spencer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My luck the commissar of garbage will be out that day. We have one of >>>>>>> those. Also a dandelion inspector. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have to be kidding. A weed inspector in an agricultural region I >>>>>> can understand. And it's not neccessary to drench the county with >>>>>> herbicide to restrain weed plagues. But a dandelion inspector? >>>>> >>>>>I am a dandelion inspector, kind of. A lot of the species around here >>>>>are restricted to very narrow habitats, and many are very rare, so as >>>>>a botanist I try to pay attention. One species, Taxaxacum polium, was >>>>>declared extinct recently; it was endemic to Gotland. >>>> >>>> But do you fine people $75 a day for every day that there is a >>>> dandelion taller than 12 inches? >>> >>>Okay, you've got me. >>>Is this an HOA? Are you next to a golf course? Explain. >> >> Town government that is run like an HOA. They see "blight", defined >> as "weeds (meaning one dandelion) taller than 12 inches" as a revenue >> opportunity. They have a bunch of other ridiculous stuff in the same >> vein. > >A whole town? Holy crap! > >12 inches is pretty tall for a dandelion, at least the ones around here. >But they shoot up fast, like overnight. > >If I knew where this place was, I'd be tempted to drive past town hall with >a bunch of dandelion seeds to float out the car window. That town council sounds like escapees from a metal facility... on Luna. -- Jim
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 20:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <i5rubjFb43uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #216144 |
On 2021-01-08, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:37:04 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >>A whole town? Holy crap! >> >>12 inches is pretty tall for a dandelion, at least the ones around here. >>But they shoot up fast, like overnight. >> >>If I knew where this place was, I'd be tempted to drive past town hall with >>a bunch of dandelion seeds to float out the car window. > > That town council sounds like escapees from a metal facility... on > Luna. I suppose metal would be a pretty good material to build facilities from on Luna, unless you just dig them into the rock. Still would need some metal for airlocks and whatnot. Niklas -- Kids have it easy today. All they have to listen to is stories about how back in the '70s we had to listen to stories about how bad it was back in the '30s. --Keith Lynch
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2021-01-11 21:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <XnsACAFD6B3B55A9admin127001@144.76.35.252> |
| In reply to | #216145 |
On Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:41:23 GMT, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote: > > Niklas > -- > Kids have it easy today. All they have to listen to is stories about > how back in the '70s we had to listen to stories about how bad it was > back in the '30s. --Keith Lynch > I don't think I've seen Keith in here. (Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/) -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 18:12 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <437486539.631847056.690186.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #216139 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:59:55 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2021 21:32:18 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 2021-01-06, Mike Spencer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My luck the commissar of garbage will be out that day. We have one of >>>>>>> those. Also a dandelion inspector. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have to be kidding. A weed inspector in an agricultural region I >>>>>> can understand. And it's not neccessary to drench the county with >>>>>> herbicide to restrain weed plagues. But a dandelion inspector? >>>>> >>>>> I am a dandelion inspector, kind of. A lot of the species around here >>>>> are restricted to very narrow habitats, and many are very rare, so as >>>>> a botanist I try to pay attention. One species, Taxaxacum polium, was >>>>> declared extinct recently; it was endemic to Gotland. >>>> >>>> But do you fine people $75 a day for every day that there is a >>>> dandelion taller than 12 inches? >>> >>> Okay, you've got me. >>> Is this an HOA? Are you next to a golf course? Explain. >> >> Town government that is run like an HOA. They see "blight", defined >> as "weeds (meaning one dandelion) taller than 12 inches" as a revenue >> opportunity. They have a bunch of other ridiculous stuff in the same >> vein. > > A whole town? Holy crap! > > 12 inches is pretty tall for a dandelion, at least the ones around here. > But they shoot up fast, like overnight. But once they reach a certain height they droop over. IME about 7 in is the limit. -- Pete
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 20:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <rtb1qv$um$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #216155 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:59:55 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> On 7 Jan 2021 21:32:18 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 2021-01-06, Mike Spencer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My luck the commissar of garbage will be out that day. We have one of >>>>>>>> those. Also a dandelion inspector. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have to be kidding. A weed inspector in an agricultural region I >>>>>>> can understand. And it's not neccessary to drench the county with >>>>>>> herbicide to restrain weed plagues. But a dandelion inspector? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a dandelion inspector, kind of. A lot of the species around here >>>>>> are restricted to very narrow habitats, and many are very rare, so as >>>>>> a botanist I try to pay attention. One species, Taxaxacum polium, was >>>>>> declared extinct recently; it was endemic to Gotland. >>>>> >>>>> But do you fine people $75 a day for every day that there is a >>>>> dandelion taller than 12 inches? >>>> >>>> Okay, you've got me. >>>> Is this an HOA? Are you next to a golf course? Explain. >>> >>> Town government that is run like an HOA. They see "blight", defined >>> as "weeds (meaning one dandelion) taller than 12 inches" as a revenue >>> opportunity. They have a bunch of other ridiculous stuff in the same >>> vein. >> >> A whole town? Holy crap! >> >> 12 inches is pretty tall for a dandelion, at least the ones around here. >> But they shoot up fast, like overnight. > > But once they reach a certain height they droop over. IME about 7 in is the > limit. I think you're right. This is going to call for some measurements this year. If over 12 is really the rule, it might be an even stupider rule. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 18:12 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <1416774925.631846931.793542.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #216131 |
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: > On Wed, 2021-01-06, Mike Spencer wrote: >> >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> My luck the commissar of garbage will be out that day. We have one of >>> those. Also a dandelion inspector. >> >> You have to be kidding. A weed inspector in an agricultural region I >> can understand. And it's not neccessary to drench the county with >> herbicide to restrain weed plagues. But a dandelion inspector? > > I am a dandelion inspector, kind of. A lot of the species around here > are restricted to very narrow habitats, and many are very rare, so as > a botanist I try to pay attention. One species, Taxaxacum polium, was > declared extinct recently; it was endemic to Gotland. > I didn’t think it was possible to kill of dandelions. -- Pete
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-08 20:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <rtb1lt$um$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #216154 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >> On Wed, 2021-01-06, Mike Spencer wrote: >>> >>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> My luck the commissar of garbage will be out that day. We have one of >>>> those. Also a dandelion inspector. >>> >>> You have to be kidding. A weed inspector in an agricultural region I >>> can understand. And it's not neccessary to drench the county with >>> herbicide to restrain weed plagues. But a dandelion inspector? >> >> I am a dandelion inspector, kind of. A lot of the species around here >> are restricted to very narrow habitats, and many are very rare, so as >> a botanist I try to pay attention. One species, Taxaxacum polium, was >> declared extinct recently; it was endemic to Gotland. > > I didn’t think it was possible to kill of dandelions. Lots of things kill dandelions. Starting with Broadleaf Herbicide. If you want to pull them, it's necessary to get the tap root which goes down quite a ways. They make a tool for that but I have a 12 inch knife I like to use. Plunge it into the soil at an angle to sever the tap root 4 to 6 inches down then pull the plant out. As I'm walking around I like to throw the knife at the plants. I'm pretty good with it. Of course it's pretty hard to kill ALL of them. Those seeds float long distances. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-10 06:40 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <1474957923.631978091.842451.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #216158 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > >> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >>> On Wed, 2021-01-06, Mike Spencer wrote: >>>> >>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> My luck the commissar of garbage will be out that day. We have one of >>>>> those. Also a dandelion inspector. >>>> >>>> You have to be kidding. A weed inspector in an agricultural region I >>>> can understand. And it's not neccessary to drench the county with >>>> herbicide to restrain weed plagues. But a dandelion inspector? >>> >>> I am a dandelion inspector, kind of. A lot of the species around here >>> are restricted to very narrow habitats, and many are very rare, so as >>> a botanist I try to pay attention. One species, Taxaxacum polium, was >>> declared extinct recently; it was endemic to Gotland. >> >> I didn’t think it was possible to kill of dandelions. > > Lots of things kill dandelions. > Starting with Broadleaf Herbicide. > > If you want to pull them, it's necessary to get the tap root which goes > down quite a ways. They make a tool for that but I have a 12 inch knife > I like to use. Plunge it into the soil at an angle to sever the tap > root 4 to 6 inches down then pull the plant out. As I'm walking around > I like to throw the knife at the plants. I'm pretty good with it. > > Of course it's pretty hard to kill ALL of them. Those seeds float long > distances. > I used to do this. It took a couple of years, but I had them almost all gone. Go out after a rain, when the ground is soft. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-02 13:09 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <mcc1vfh6fp860fb6liu64469cfjd2vi0tm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #215854 |
On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 06:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:58:00 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:04:14 -0700, Peter Flass >>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Or five times a more reasonable estimate meaning that a 20% >>>>>>> increase would cover it - which doesn't sound unreasonable even if you >>>>>>> push it to 30% and have people averaging 50 miles a day. >>>>> >>>>> Why is it an unreasonable estimate? Usage on electric cars is >>>>> different from gas cars. Instead of going to the gas station every so >>>>> often, people come home and plug in. So every afternoon every car >>>>> that was used for a daily commute will be plugged in and hit the grid. >>>> >>>> And while you're shopping, many malls provide a charging station. For >>>> most people, unless they live in the Death Valley or other very remote >>>> areas, driving an EV should not cause fears anymore "running out of juice". >>> >>> I’ve seen a few charging stations, but IME just a few in a parking lot big >>> enough for hundreds of cars. It’s ALMOST like no one in government has >>> thought this thru. >> >> I'm not aware the government has anything to do with charging stations. >> I thought I just read about a new station with 73 stalls, but all >> I could find is this one with 56 stalls: >> >> https://electrek.co/2020/09/15/tesla-building-new-worlds-largest-supercharger-station/ >> >> I've seen charging stations along the NJ Garden State Parkway. That's not the >> government either. >> >> The government provides a tax incentive: >> >> Federal Tax Credits >> >> The federal government provides a substantial tax credit for new battery >> electric and plug-in hybrid EVs, ranging from $2,500 - $7,500, depending >> on the capacity of the EV's battery. >> >> Of course we all know the government provides incentives to the gas >> industry too. >> >> > >Government’s part should be to develop a plan that takes into account all >aspects of a conversion to mostly EVs. Maybe I’m just not up on the >literature, but someone should figure out how many charging stations are >needed, where they’re needed, and how they are going to be powered, and how >they’re hoing to be indtalled and paid for. Why is this the job of government? I don't notice government building gas stations (leaving aside the ones on military bases and the like) and yet there are many of them within 10 miles of where I live and few areas in the US that do not have one within easy driving distance. >Before EVs can be widely used in a particular area there have to be enough >stations. Actually they don't. The thing about an EV is that it does not need a commercial "station" for normal operation. I have never charged my EV at a commercial station. My employer provides a charger at work, I have one at home, I charge it using one or the other or both of those. >They also have to be accessible from the interstates. I have >driven cross-country several times, and some parts are pretty sparsely >inhabited. This is already dealt with to some extent. There are more than 1000 Tesla supercharger stations in the US with a total of over 20,000 chargers, and there are more than 20,000 commercial EV charging stations overall, with more to come. However a Supercharger still needs an hour to charge and most of the other charging stations take 8 hours or so. >In a day’s drive I’d have to be able to recharge at least once >en route. This assumes the motel has a charger available per room for an >overnight charge. I’m not going to take a long trip unless I know charging >is as quick and convenient as getting gas. > >I also keep bringing up,the problem of condo/apartment dwellers. I don’t >have a garage, and where I am there is no on-street parking or meters. This is a real concern. This is one place where government might have a role, requiring owners of apartment building and the like to provide chargers. Understand though that a charger is nothing particular special. It's a box you get off of Amazon for a couple of hundred bucks and can be plugged into an extension cord. It's not "supposed" to be used that way but it nonetheless works fine. >I >don’t work, so, I can’t recharge there. Installing chargers at every >parking place would be fantastically expensive for any expected return. >When I shop, assuming there was an available charger, I’m not usually in >the store long enough. I'm not sure if it would be "fantastically expensive" or not, but somebody should run the numbers.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-03 08:07 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <1303193549.631378360.541133.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #215870 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 06:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>> >>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:58:00 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:04:14 -0700, Peter Flass >>>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or five times a more reasonable estimate meaning that a 20% >>>>>>>> increase would cover it - which doesn't sound unreasonable even if you >>>>>>>> push it to 30% and have people averaging 50 miles a day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is it an unreasonable estimate? Usage on electric cars is >>>>>> different from gas cars. Instead of going to the gas station every so >>>>>> often, people come home and plug in. So every afternoon every car >>>>>> that was used for a daily commute will be plugged in and hit the grid. >>>>> >>>>> And while you're shopping, many malls provide a charging station. For >>>>> most people, unless they live in the Death Valley or other very remote >>>>> areas, driving an EV should not cause fears anymore "running out of juice". >>>> >>>> I’ve seen a few charging stations, but IME just a few in a parking lot big >>>> enough for hundreds of cars. It’s ALMOST like no one in government has >>>> thought this thru. >>> >>> I'm not aware the government has anything to do with charging stations. >>> I thought I just read about a new station with 73 stalls, but all >>> I could find is this one with 56 stalls: >>> >>> https://electrek.co/2020/09/15/tesla-building-new-worlds-largest-supercharger-station/ >>> >>> I've seen charging stations along the NJ Garden State Parkway. That's not the >>> government either. >>> >>> The government provides a tax incentive: >>> >>> Federal Tax Credits >>> >>> The federal government provides a substantial tax credit for new battery >>> electric and plug-in hybrid EVs, ranging from $2,500 - $7,500, depending >>> on the capacity of the EV's battery. >>> >>> Of course we all know the government provides incentives to the gas >>> industry too. >>> >>> >> >> Government’s part should be to develop a plan that takes into account all >> aspects of a conversion to mostly EVs. Maybe I’m just not up on the >> literature, but someone should figure out how many charging stations are >> needed, where they’re needed, and how they are going to be powered, and how >> they’re hoing to be indtalled and paid for. > > Why is this the job of government? I don't notice government building > gas stations (leaving aside the ones on military bases and the like) > and yet there are many of them within 10 miles of where I live and few > areas in the US that do not have one within easy driving distance. There needs to be a nationwide plan - not a straitjacket, but some goals and guidelines. The problem with the current COVID vaccination program is that there’s ho real plan: feds encourage and support development of vaccines and then turn them over to the states (“there, we’ve done our part”) Many states son’t have a clue and turn the job over to counties and cities, who know even less. If you provide some guidelines than the states can either follow them or not, but at least they have a place to start. > >> Before EVs can be widely used in a particular area there have to be enough >> stations. > > Actually they don't. The thing about an EV is that it does not need a > commercial "station" for normal operation. I have never charged my EV > at a commercial station. My employer provides a charger at work, I > have one at home, I charge it using one or the other or both of those. Great for you, the hell with everybody else. > >> They also have to be accessible from the interstates. I have >> driven cross-country several times, and some parts are pretty sparsely >> inhabited. > > This is already dealt with to some extent. There are more than 1000 > Tesla supercharger stations in the US with a total of over 20,000 > chargers, and there are more than 20,000 commercial EV charging > stations overall, with more to come. However a Supercharger still > needs an hour to charge and most of the other charging stations take 8 > hours or so. > >> In a day’s drive I’d have to be able to recharge at least once >> en route. This assumes the motel has a charger available per room for an >> overnight charge. I’m not going to take a long trip unless I know charging >> is as quick and convenient as getting gas. >> >> I also keep bringing up,the problem of condo/apartment dwellers. I don’t >> have a garage, and where I am there is no on-street parking or meters. > > This is a real concern. This is one place where government might have > a role, requiring owners of apartment building and the like to provide > chargers. > > Understand though that a charger is nothing particular special. It's > a box you get off of Amazon for a couple of hundred bucks and can be > plugged into an extension cord. It's not "supposed" to be used that > way but it nonetheless works fine. > >> I >> don’t work, so, I can’t recharge there. Installing chargers at every >> parking place would be fantastically expensive for any expected return. >> When I shop, assuming there was an available charger, I’m not usually in >> the store long enough. > > I'm not sure if it would be "fantastically expensive" or not, but > somebody should run the numbers. > I asked here a while ago about getting security cameras install in the parking lots. The board had already looked into it, and I forget how many thousand dollars it would cost. This is cameras, which use minimal power and can communicate by wi-fi. Digging up all the parking lots to run new power cables for chargers sounds like a big job. This might be similar to the utilities subsidizing solar power installation. If someone subsidized charger installation so it could be paid off in ten or twenty-five years, then, sure, it might work. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-03 13:30 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <dg24vf5lj32t4t0niemtsm2fpi23h0p0mq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #215902 |
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 08:07:38 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 06:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:58:00 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:04:14 -0700, Peter Flass >>>>>>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or five times a more reasonable estimate meaning that a 20% >>>>>>>>> increase would cover it - which doesn't sound unreasonable even if you >>>>>>>>> push it to 30% and have people averaging 50 miles a day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is it an unreasonable estimate? Usage on electric cars is >>>>>>> different from gas cars. Instead of going to the gas station every so >>>>>>> often, people come home and plug in. So every afternoon every car >>>>>>> that was used for a daily commute will be plugged in and hit the grid. >>>>>> >>>>>> And while you're shopping, many malls provide a charging station. For >>>>>> most people, unless they live in the Death Valley or other very remote >>>>>> areas, driving an EV should not cause fears anymore "running out of juice". >>>>> >>>>> I’ve seen a few charging stations, but IME just a few in a parking lot big >>>>> enough for hundreds of cars. It’s ALMOST like no one in government has >>>>> thought this thru. >>>> >>>> I'm not aware the government has anything to do with charging stations. >>>> I thought I just read about a new station with 73 stalls, but all >>>> I could find is this one with 56 stalls: >>>> >>>> https://electrek.co/2020/09/15/tesla-building-new-worlds-largest-supercharger-station/ >>>> >>>> I've seen charging stations along the NJ Garden State Parkway. That's not the >>>> government either. >>>> >>>> The government provides a tax incentive: >>>> >>>> Federal Tax Credits >>>> >>>> The federal government provides a substantial tax credit for new battery >>>> electric and plug-in hybrid EVs, ranging from $2,500 - $7,500, depending >>>> on the capacity of the EV's battery. >>>> >>>> Of course we all know the government provides incentives to the gas >>>> industry too. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Government’s part should be to develop a plan that takes into account all >>> aspects of a conversion to mostly EVs. Maybe I’m just not up on the >>> literature, but someone should figure out how many charging stations are >>> needed, where they’re needed, and how they are going to be powered, and how >>> they’re hoing to be indtalled and paid for. >> >> Why is this the job of government? I don't notice government building >> gas stations (leaving aside the ones on military bases and the like) >> and yet there are many of them within 10 miles of where I live and few >> areas in the US that do not have one within easy driving distance. > >There needs to be a nationwide plan - not a straitjacket, but some goals >and guidelines. The problem with the current COVID vaccination program is >that there’s ho real plan: feds encourage and support development of >vaccines and then turn them over to the states (“there, we’ve done our >part”) Many states son’t have a clue and turn the job over to counties >and cities, who know even less. If you provide some guidelines than the >states can either follow them or not, but at least they have a place to >start. COVID is a bonafied emergency. People are dying right now today. The government is fairly good with emergencies as long as there isn't a moron on top screwing up the works. Whatever is done to distribute vaccine is one and done, once everybody's vaccinated and it becomes part of the standard vaccination program, it's over. Electric cars are not one and done. You're talking about two related industries, automobiles and the provision of power for same. And right now the technology is still developing, so something the government does now may be obsolete in five years. Further, there are a number of very large very capable manufacturing companies which at this time have a vested interest in making electric cars work, so you can pretty much count on the infrastructure being rolled out without the government having to do anything except not create an obstacle. >>> Before EVs can be widely used in a particular area there have to be enough >>> stations. >> >> Actually they don't. The thing about an EV is that it does not need a >> commercial "station" for normal operation. I have never charged my EV >> at a commercial station. My employer provides a charger at work, I >> have one at home, I charge it using one or the other or both of those. > >Great for you, the hell with everybody else. 70 percent of the US population lives in single-family detached houses. They can all do exactly the same thing that I do. People who live in apartments may or may not have a problem depending on their particular circumstances and for them some limited degree of government intervention might be in order to force landlords to provide chargers. >>> They also have to be accessible from the interstates. I have >>> driven cross-country several times, and some parts are pretty sparsely >>> inhabited. >> >> This is already dealt with to some extent. There are more than 1000 >> Tesla supercharger stations in the US with a total of over 20,000 >> chargers, and there are more than 20,000 commercial EV charging >> stations overall, with more to come. However a Supercharger still >> needs an hour to charge and most of the other charging stations take 8 >> hours or so. >> >>> In a day’s drive I’d have to be able to recharge at least once >>> en route. This assumes the motel has a charger available per room for an >>> overnight charge. I’m not going to take a long trip unless I know charging >>> is as quick and convenient as getting gas. >>> >>> I also keep bringing up,the problem of condo/apartment dwellers. I don’t >>> have a garage, and where I am there is no on-street parking or meters. >> >> This is a real concern. This is one place where government might have >> a role, requiring owners of apartment building and the like to provide >> chargers. >> >> Understand though that a charger is nothing particular special. It's >> a box you get off of Amazon for a couple of hundred bucks and can be >> plugged into an extension cord. It's not "supposed" to be used that >> way but it nonetheless works fine. > >> >>> I >>> don’t work, so, I can’t recharge there. Installing chargers at every >>> parking place would be fantastically expensive for any expected return. >>> When I shop, assuming there was an available charger, I’m not usually in >>> the store long enough. >> >> I'm not sure if it would be "fantastically expensive" or not, but >> somebody should run the numbers. >> > >I asked here a while ago about getting security cameras install in the >parking lots. The board had already looked into it, and I forget how many >thousand dollars it would cost. This is cameras, which use minimal power >and can communicate by wi-fi. Digging up all the parking lots to run new >power cables for chargers sounds like a big job. > >This might be similar to the utilities subsidizing solar power >installation. If someone subsidized charger installation so it could be >paid off in ten or twenty-five years, then, sure, it might work. Or put a meter on the charger and charge for the use.
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
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| Date | 2021-01-03 21:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <rstdbp$op7$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #215909 |
J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > COVID is a bonafied emergency. People are dying right now today. Do you actually have more than normal deaths in the US? In the flu season of 2018, we had 5000 extra deaths a week in Germany, that was _really_ bad. Compared to that, Covid-19's impact on deaths here has been small to statistically insignificant.
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| From | Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-01-03 22:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <rstfii$5re$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #215914 |
On 3 Jan 2021 at 21:35:53 GMT, "Thomas Koenig" <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> COVID is a bonafied emergency. People are dying right now today. > > Do you actually have more than normal deaths in the US? In the flu > season of 2018, we had 5000 extra deaths a week in Germany, that > was _really_ bad. Compared to that, Covid-19's impact on deaths > here has been small to statistically insignificant. On the most recent figures I can find readily to hand... https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid Nov-6-2020 US Excess mortality over the average 2015-2019 mortality is 10,000 per week. Think of it as two twin-towers incidents every week. Not at all significant huh? Statistically significant? Is 20% smaller than the commonly accepted 5% ? Germany's excess deaths on Nov-6 were 7% (from the same source) -- To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-03 20:07 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <v0q4vfh5e09nn44nnefn6rao3bc73hstp2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #215917 |
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:13:38 +0000 (UTC), Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote: >On 3 Jan 2021 at 21:35:53 GMT, "Thomas Koenig" <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > >> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >> >>> COVID is a bonafied emergency. People are dying right now today. >> >> Do you actually have more than normal deaths in the US? In the flu >> season of 2018, we had 5000 extra deaths a week in Germany, that >> was _really_ bad. Compared to that, Covid-19's impact on deaths >> here has been small to statistically insignificant. > >On the most recent figures I can find readily to hand... >https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid >Nov-6-2020 US Excess mortality over the average 2015-2019 mortality is 10,000 >per week. > >Think of it as two twin-towers incidents every week. Not at all significant >huh? Statistically significant? >Is 20% smaller than the commonly accepted 5% ? > >Germany's excess deaths on Nov-6 were 7% (from the same source) According to the Centers for Disease Control there have been 349,246 deaths from COVID-19 so far in the US. In 2018, the most recent year for which all-causes statistics are available, 2.8 million died, so that's about 12.5% of all deaths. Or looking at it another way, it's nearly a thousand a day.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-03 19:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <695660530.631419735.924674.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #215914 |
Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> COVID is a bonafied emergency. People are dying right now today. > > Do you actually have more than normal deaths in the US? In the flu > season of 2018, we had 5000 extra deaths a week in Germany, that > was _really_ bad. Compared to that, Covid-19's impact on deaths > here has been small to statistically insignificant. > Between 315,000 and 430,000 excess deaths. I’m too lazy to compute that as a percentage of the population. Flu is more seasonal, with deaths peaking for a month or two and then declining. Covid is still going up, almost asymtotically. -- Pete
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-05 09:41 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <o329vfd13pjofm3dhqqu28ljcu1ku95sq8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #215914 |
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> COVID is a bonafied emergency. People are dying right now today. > >Do you actually have more than normal deaths in the US? In the flu >season of 2018, we had 5000 extra deaths a week in Germany, that >was _really_ bad. Compared to that, Covid-19's impact on deaths >here has been small to statistically insignificant. US flu deaths in 2019 was 32,000. US covid deaths in 2020 was over 300,00. A major difference. -- Jim
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-01-02 20:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <8735zizt96.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #215854 |
On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 06:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > > Before EVs can be widely used in a particular area there have to be enough > stations. That would (and will, once installed widely) be convenient. Until then you can charge them at home. Plug in over night and you should be good to go next morning. -- Have you ever considered how much text can fit in eighty columns? Given that a signature typically contains up to four lines of text, this space allows you to attach a tremendous amount of valuable information to your messages. Seize the opportunity and don't waste your signature on bullshit that nobody cares about.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-01-01 17:37 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? |
| Message-ID | <au8vufpc1rqpcoci5vvmlqttadtrfur4o3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #215838 |
On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 11:12:11 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:58:00 -0500, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:04:14 -0700, Peter Flass >>> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Or five times a more reasonable estimate meaning that a 20% >>>>> increase would cover it - which doesn't sound unreasonable even if you >>>>> push it to 30% and have people averaging 50 miles a day. >>> >>> Why is it an unreasonable estimate? Usage on electric cars is >>> different from gas cars. Instead of going to the gas station every so >>> often, people come home and plug in. So every afternoon every car >>> that was used for a daily commute will be plugged in and hit the grid. >> >> And while you're shopping, many malls provide a charging station. For >> most people, unless they live in the Death Valley or other very remote >> areas, driving an EV should not cause fears anymore "running out of juice". > >I’ve seen a few charging stations, but IME just a few in a parking lot big >enough for hundreds of cars. It’s ALMOST like no one in government has >thought this thru. And people who have chargers at home tend not to use pay chargers unless they're on a trip or otherwise find themselves in urgent need of a charge. It's not a matter of "fears", it's a matter of "it costs me pennies to charge at home or dollars to charge at a kiosk".
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