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Keyboards again

Started byDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
First post2020-09-07 19:51 -0400
Last post2020-09-08 19:59 -0400
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  Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 19:51 -0400
    Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:03 -0400
      Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:16 -0700
        Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 21:50 -0400
      Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:12 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 23:51 -0400
          Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 17:40 -0400
            Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-12 18:04 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-08 13:19 -0500
          Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0400
            Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-08 21:26 +0000
              Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 14:48 -0700
              Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 17:52 -0400
                Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 00:51 +0100
                Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 17:42 +0000
                  Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 19:50 +0100
                    Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 19:49 +0000
                      Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:18 +0100
                        Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:44 +0000
              Re: Keyboards again Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2020-09-08 21:59 -0400
                Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 11:10 +0100
                Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-09 15:27 -0700
                  Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Keyboards again Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-11 01:26 -0500
                    Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-12 06:20 +0000
                      Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-12 12:27 +0000
                        Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-12 13:07 +0000
                        Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:15 -0400
                        Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 21:57 +0100
                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-03 22:11 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0000
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-03 19:26 -0400
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 09:02 +0000
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-04 12:22 +0100
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 16:42 +0000
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:39 +0100
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-10-04 22:06 +0000
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-04 08:30 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) the "Swampster" <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-06 12:13 +0000
                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:30 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 10:06 -0400
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 11:17 -0400
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:30 +0100
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-04 19:13 +0000
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:07 -0400
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-10-05 01:23 +0000
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 09:54 +0100
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 13:47 +0100
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:22 -0400
                                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 11:03 -0700
                                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 11:10 -0700
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-10-05 18:27 +0000
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 20:03 +0100
                                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 18:20 -0400
                                              Re: Barcodes Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 19:05 -0400
                                                Re: Barcodes J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:57 -0400
                                                  Re: Barcodes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-10-06 15:30 +0000
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 16:52 -0700
                                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 23:54 -0400
                                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-05 21:53 -0700
                                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-06 07:33 -0400
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-05 11:21 -0400
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-04 22:38 -0500
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-10-04 21:19 -0700
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-10-05 03:04 -0500
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-05 11:01 +0100
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 12:50 +0100
                                    Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-10-05 10:06 -0500
                                      Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-10-06 21:16 +0000
                                        Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-10-07 06:38 +0100
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:36 +0100
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:00 +0100
                              Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:28 +0100
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-10-04 19:06 -0400
                                  Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-05 12:33 +0100
                                Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-05 08:24 +0100
                      Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-12 20:02 -0400
                        Re: Keyboards again Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-13 07:05 +0000
                          Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-13 09:24 +0100
                          Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:38 +0000
                            Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:20 -0400
                              Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 23:54 +0000
                              Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:47 +0000
                                Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-15 18:35 -0400
                            Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-15 18:44 +0000
                              Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 20:29 +0100
                                Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-15 21:21 +0000
                                Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 18:49 -0700
                                  Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-16 07:56 +0100
                                  Re: Keyboards again gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 10:16 +0100
                                  Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-16 09:55 +0000
                                  Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 11:25 -0500
                                  Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-16 17:42 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 18:03 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 13:57 -0500
                                      Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 19:08 +0000
                                        Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:48 -0500
                                      Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-17 06:55 +0100
                                  Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-16 21:03 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 16:53 -0500
                                    Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-16 21:55 +0000
                                    Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 07:20 +0000
                                      Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 10:06 -0500
                                        Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 11:15 -0400
                                          Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 12:37 -0500
                                            Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 20:07 +0000
                                              Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 10:01 -0500
                                                Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-18 16:45 +0000
                                                  Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 11:22 -0700
                                          Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-17 19:59 +0000
                                            Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-19 23:25 +0000
                                              Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 12:03 +0100
                                                Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-20 14:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-20 16:08 +0100
                                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 10:52 -0500
                                                    Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:57 -0400
                                                      Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:09 +0000
                                                    Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 09:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Keyboards again Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-21 14:32 +0100
                                                        Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-21 13:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-22 12:49 +0000
                                                      Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-22 12:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-22 13:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:31 -0500
                                                          Re: Keyboards again Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-22 15:39 -0700
                                                            Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 20:55 -0400
                                                              Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-22 19:39 -0700
                                                                Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 00:13 -0400
                                                            Re: Keyboards again maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-23 10:52 +0000
                                                  Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 14:48 -0400
                                                  Re: Keyboards again usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-21 19:35 +0000
                                                    Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 09:22 -0500
                          Re: Keyboards again scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-13 15:34 +0000
                            Re: Keyboards again Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-13 17:54 -0300
                          Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 10:53 -0500
                            Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 17:50 +0000
                              Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-13 19:35 +0100
                                Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-13 19:33 +0000
                                  Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-14 06:02 +0000
                                  Re: the dangers of socialism, not Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-14 07:46 +0100
                            Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-13 15:01 -0500
                          Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-13 19:25 -0400
                        Re: Keyboards again Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-13 09:37 +0000
                        Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2020-10-03 22:00 +0100
                          Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 14:38 +0100
                            Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again) mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-10-04 22:36 +0100
                Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-10 10:39 +0100
              Re: Keyboards again Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-09 06:02 +0000
              Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 14:14 +0000
                Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 10:18 -0400
              Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 14:49 -0500
              Re: Keyboards again mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2020-09-09 20:36 +0100
              Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:51 -0400
                Re: Keyboards again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000
                  Re: Keyboards again JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 14:58 -0500
                Re: Keyboards again Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 17:12 +0100
                  Re: Keyboards again Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:49 -0400
    Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:09 -0700
      Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 18:14 -0700
      Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:19 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:14 -0700
          Re: Keyboards again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-07 20:32 -0700
        Re: Keyboards again Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 09:44 +0000
      Re: Keyboards again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-08 10:49 +0100
        Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 07:17 -0400
        Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 08:02 -0400
          Re: Keyboards again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:33 -0400
            Re: Keyboards again Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:59 -0400

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#214651 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-04 10:06 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<cdljnfta10a918hh74t04utfikvbeb433k@4ax.com>
In reply to#214649
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 14:30:06 +0100 (BST), mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike)
wrote:

>In article <jfi.5F78E5C5.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl>,
>Jan van den Broek  <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>12 Sep 2020 12:27:31 GMT
>>maus <maus@dmaus.org> schrieb:
>>
>>[Schnipp]
>>
>>>Bar code readers are fascinating devices. I had one, but it has
>>>disappeared somewhere while I was in hospital, bar codes contain data
>>>like recommended prices (different from what is on the supermarket
>>>packet), and so on.
>>
>>Most of the time, barcodes just contain just an identifier, not all the
>>data.
>
>Agreed for e.g. EAN-9/EAN-13 codes (your standard "product bar code") 
>but some stores use an in-store generated barcode to overwrite those,
>especially for reductions, so that the original code isn't seen at
>checkout, but replaced with one that contains the original
>EAN code (to id the product) AND the updated reduced price embedded.
>
>Morrisons do this. This way, instead of checkouts having to key
>in a price off a sticker, and it coming up as "Reduced Item" on
>the receipt, it comes up with the correct product, plus "reduced item" 
>and the price, all in one swipe.

It sounds like Morrisons is in the dark ages.  Why sould the checkouts
"have to key a price off a sticker"?  Scan the code, the computer
gives the price.  This is the kind of thing that computers _do_.  In
the US prices are not marked on individual containers, they are marked
on the shelf adjacent to the containers.

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#214652 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-04 11:17 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<aopjnf5j65mctgtrmrrlvi2fuflk7bb0k0@4ax.com>
In reply to#214651
On Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:06:20 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 14:30:06 +0100 (BST), mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <jfi.5F78E5C5.42.fortytwo@xs4all.nl>,
>>Jan van den Broek  <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>12 Sep 2020 12:27:31 GMT
>>>maus <maus@dmaus.org> schrieb:
>>>
>>>[Schnipp]
>>>
>>>>Bar code readers are fascinating devices. I had one, but it has
>>>>disappeared somewhere while I was in hospital, bar codes contain data
>>>>like recommended prices (different from what is on the supermarket
>>>>packet), and so on.
>>>
>>>Most of the time, barcodes just contain just an identifier, not all the
>>>data.
>>
>>Agreed for e.g. EAN-9/EAN-13 codes (your standard "product bar code") 
>>but some stores use an in-store generated barcode to overwrite those,
>>especially for reductions, so that the original code isn't seen at
>>checkout, but replaced with one that contains the original
>>EAN code (to id the product) AND the updated reduced price embedded.
>>
>>Morrisons do this. This way, instead of checkouts having to key
>>in a price off a sticker, and it coming up as "Reduced Item" on
>>the receipt, it comes up with the correct product, plus "reduced item" 
>>and the price, all in one swipe.
>
>It sounds like Morrisons is in the dark ages.  Why sould the checkouts
>"have to key a price off a sticker"?  Scan the code, the computer
>gives the price.  This is the kind of thing that computers _do_.  In
>the US prices are not marked on individual containers, they are marked
>on the shelf adjacent to the containers.

I would add that there are exceptions in the case of deli and butcher
items where there is a barcode identifying the item and price and
weight marked.  I'm not clear on what they do there, presumably that's
proprietary to the store.

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#214658 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

Frommjb@signal11.invalid (Mike)
Date2020-10-04 22:30 +0100
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<rldeu9$3b1$1@posie.signal11.org.uk>
In reply to#214652
In article <aopjnf5j65mctgtrmrrlvi2fuflk7bb0k0@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke  <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I would add that there are exceptions in the case of deli and butcher
>items where there is a barcode identifying the item and price and
>weight marked.  I'm not clear on what they do there, presumably that's
>proprietary to the store.

I forgot about them (rarely using the deli/butcher part). That's another
place where proprietary barcodes can be used to signal the product
and the specific price of THAT lump of meat/fish/other based on the
weight and price-per-kg in force, so when taken to the checkout it
can be swiped. 

And they do have a price in too.
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#214655 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2020-10-04 19:13 +0000
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<rld6rt$26jp$2@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#214651
In article <cdljnfta10a918hh74t04utfikvbeb433k@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke  <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Morrisons do this. This way, instead of checkouts having to key
>>in a price off a sticker, and it coming up as "Reduced Item" on
>>the receipt, it comes up with the correct product, plus "reduced item" 
>>and the price, all in one swipe.
>
>It sounds like Morrisons is in the dark ages.  Why sould the checkouts
>"have to key a price off a sticker"?  Scan the code, ...

Because some of the stock is marked down, e.g., because it's past the
expiration date, and the rest isn't.

My grocery store here in the US does that all the time.

-- 
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#214663 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-04 19:07 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<0dlknf14u9lg971m6kciuvvctshj91bv8v@4ax.com>
In reply to#214655
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 19:13:01 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
wrote:

>In article <cdljnfta10a918hh74t04utfikvbeb433k@4ax.com>,
>J. Clarke  <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Morrisons do this. This way, instead of checkouts having to key
>>>in a price off a sticker, and it coming up as "Reduced Item" on
>>>the receipt, it comes up with the correct product, plus "reduced item" 
>>>and the price, all in one swipe.
>>
>>It sounds like Morrisons is in the dark ages.  Why sould the checkouts
>>"have to key a price off a sticker"?  Scan the code, ...
>
>Because some of the stock is marked down, e.g., because it's past the
>expiration date, and the rest isn't.
>
>My grocery store here in the US does that all the time.

If it's past the expiration date they aren't allowed to sell it.

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#214664 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2020-10-05 01:23 +0000
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<rldshm$ve3$1@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#214663
In article <0dlknf14u9lg971m6kciuvvctshj91bv8v@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke  <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>It sounds like Morrisons is in the dark ages.  Why sould the checkouts
>>>"have to key a price off a sticker"?  Scan the code, ...
>>
>>Because some of the stock is marked down, e.g., because it's past the
>>expiration date, and the rest isn't.
>>
>>My grocery store here in the US does that all the time.
>
>If it's past the expiration date they aren't allowed to sell it.

I would be most appreciative of a citation of the law or regulation
that says that, but I'm not holding my breath. The expired stuff I buy
most often is cheese, for which the expiration date is about the
earliest it's worth eating.

(I am aware there is a specific law about baby formula. I mean in
general.

-- 
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#214670 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2020-10-05 09:54 +0100
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<hu059tFj1diU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214664
John Levine wrote:

> I would be most appreciative of a citation of the law or regulation
> that says that, but I'm not holding my breath. The expired stuff I buy
> most often is cheese, for which the expiration date is about the
> earliest it's worth eating.

Don't you get a mixture of "best before" and "use by" dates?  Over here 
it's not legal to sell food after the use by date.

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#214676 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-10-05 05:34 -0700
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<1582047949.623593935.927876.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#214670
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> John Levine wrote:
> 
>> I would be most appreciative of a citation of the law or regulation
>> that says that, but I'm not holding my breath. The expired stuff I buy
>> most often is cheese, for which the expiration date is about the
>> earliest it's worth eating.
> 
> Don't you get a mixture of "best before" and "use by" dates?  Over here 
> it's not legal to sell food after the use by date.
> 

Where is “here?” I think there’s a plan in the US to standardize on one
“use by” date for everything, but I haven’t heard how it’s going.

-- 
Pete

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#214677 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2020-10-05 13:47 +0100
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<hu0ivkFlqolU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214676
Peter Flass wrote:

> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> Over here it's not legal to sell food after the use by date.
> 
> Where is “here?” 

clue is in the email address.

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#214680 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-05 11:22 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<0gemnfdk4e7nkf086d1ak834tigge59u9c@4ax.com>
In reply to#214676
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 05:34:52 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> John Levine wrote:
>> 
>>> I would be most appreciative of a citation of the law or regulation
>>> that says that, but I'm not holding my breath. The expired stuff I buy
>>> most often is cheese, for which the expiration date is about the
>>> earliest it's worth eating.
>> 
>> Don't you get a mixture of "best before" and "use by" dates?  Over here 
>> it's not legal to sell food after the use by date.
>> 
>
>Where is “here?” I think there’s a plan in the US to standardize on one
>“use by” date for everything, but I haven’t heard how it’s going.

With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the
whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.

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#214681 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2020-10-05 11:03 -0700
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<5a0be5f8-deb3-4fa0-bcff-ff2cc35f9f5an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#214680
On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.

The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
Trump is just peachy keen! Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.

John Savard

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#214682 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-10-05 11:10 -0700
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<487747820.623614123.146267.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#214681
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> 
>> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
>> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.
> 
> The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
> Trump is just peachy keen! Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
> Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.

So far I’ve managed to avoid expressing an opinion on politics here,
probably because I’m now on twitter.


-- 
Pete

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#214683 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-10-05 18:27 +0000
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<hu16sfFo8vfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#214682
On 2020-10-05, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
>> Trump is just peachy keen! Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
>> Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.
>
> So far I’ve managed to avoid expressing an opinion on politics here,
> probably because I’m now on twitter.

Yeah, it's not really worth it. At least on this particular issue; if
I'm going to comment on politics here I'll stick to other issues.

Our politicians, secure in the belief that nothing bad could ever happen
with the USSR gone, tore down most of our strategic reserves 15-20 years
ago. Meds, food, fuel, you name it. And I'm pretty sure that both
pandemics and biological warfare had been considered, so there would
have been protective equipment for health care workers in there.

That stuff would have been really nice to have in the current pandemic.
I believe the PPE situation is more or less under control now, but there
were quite a few workers forced to work with inadequate protection,
exposing themselves to unnecessary risk.

Niklas
-- 
"We are raised to honor all the wrong explorers and discoverers - thieves
planting flags, murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers
of dreams."
                     -- Peter S. Beagle

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#214684 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-10-05 20:03 +0100
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<20201005200341.bcb684b6c197f649dd7bde04@eircom.net>
In reply to#214682
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:10:53 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So far I’ve managed to avoid expressing an opinion on politics here,
> probably because I’m now on twitter.

	I suspect that American politics would be greatly improved by
making both Democrat and Republican parties illegal and banning anyone who
has ever been a member of either from having any involvement in politics.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#214685 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-05 18:20 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<au6nnfta538t339602e88b39n7t4llhvl5@4ax.com>
In reply to#214681
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:

>On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
>> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.
>
>The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
>Trump is just peachy keen! 

And that shows that they are not deranged because?

>Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
>Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.

I really don't want that to happen.  I'm happy with a Congress that
can't enact laws.  They do about 50,000 a century and few of them ever
get undone, so we're ending up with an impassable morass of statutes.

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#214686 — Re: Barcodes

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-05 19:05 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes
Message-ID<rlg8r2$1ls$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#214685
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
>>> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.
>>
>>The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
>>Trump is just peachy keen! 
>
> And that shows that they are not deranged because?
>
>>Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
>>Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.
>
> I really don't want that to happen.  I'm happy with a Congress that
> can't enact laws.  They do about 50,000 a century and few of them ever
> get undone, so we're ending up with an impassable morass of statutes.

So, you're saying it's impossible to change things to make them better.
How Reagan-esque.

I can't remember when the congress actually wrote and passed a budget.
Continuing Resolutions don't count.
I'd like to see a functioning government for a while.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#214690 — Re: Barcodes

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-05 23:57 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes
Message-ID<hkqnnftpjpa6aq23g742dd1vffi53mue3p@4ax.com>
In reply to#214686
On Mon, 05 Oct 2020 19:05:05 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
>>>> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.
>>>
>>>The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
>>>Trump is just peachy keen! 
>>
>> And that shows that they are not deranged because?
>>
>>>Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
>>>Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.
>>
>> I really don't want that to happen.  I'm happy with a Congress that
>> can't enact laws.  They do about 50,000 a century and few of them ever
>> get undone, so we're ending up with an impassable morass of statutes.
>
>So, you're saying it's impossible to change things to make them better.
>How Reagan-esque.

No, I'm saying that Congress passing another 50,000 laws isn't going
to do it.

>I can't remember when the congress actually wrote and passed a budget.
>Continuing Resolutions don't count.
>I'd like to see a functioning government for a while.

A "budget" you know is not binding on anybody.  It's just a statement
that "this is what we're going to tell you we're spending while we
actually steal you blind".

And our government functions fine without another 50,000 laws.

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#214694 — Re: Barcodes

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2020-10-06 15:30 +0000
SubjectRe: Barcodes
Message-ID<m40fH.135871$RY8.111723@fx48.iad>
In reply to#214690
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>On Mon, 05 Oct 2020 19:05:05 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

>>>
>>> I really don't want that to happen.  I'm happy with a Congress that
>>> can't enact laws.  They do about 50,000 a century and few of them ever
>>> get undone, so we're ending up with an impassable morass of statutes.
>>
>>So, you're saying it's impossible to change things to make them better.
>>How Reagan-esque.
>
>No, I'm saying that Congress passing another 50,000 laws isn't going
>to do it.

Exaggerate much?

>And our government functions fine without another 50,000 laws.

For some value of function.

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#214687 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-10-05 16:52 -0700
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<832845951.623634705.239766.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#214685
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>> 
>>> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
>>> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.
>> 
>> The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
>> Trump is just peachy keen! 
> 
> And that shows that they are not deranged because?
> 
>> Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
>> Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.
> 
> I really don't want that to happen.  I'm happy with a Congress that
> can't enact laws.  They do about 50,000 a century and few of them ever
> get undone, so we're ending up with an impassable morass of statutes.
> 
> 

Time for another Tribonian?

-- 
Pete

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#214689 — Re: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-10-05 23:54 -0400
SubjectRe: Barcodes (Was: Keyboards again)
Message-ID<qiqnnfpsvaojv4t5njpctg93mkqisbgj9b@4ax.com>
In reply to#214687
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:52:15 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 9:22:14 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> 
>>>> With Democrats in the House and Republicans in the Senate and the 
>>>> whole lot suffering from TDS, pretty much nothing is being done.
>>> 
>>> The Republicans in the Senate don't suffer from TDS! They think
>>> Trump is just peachy keen! 
>> 
>> And that shows that they are not deranged because?
>> 
>>> Thus, I hope the Republicans lose lots of
>>> Senate seats in November, not just the Presidential election.
>> 
>> I really don't want that to happen.  I'm happy with a Congress that
>> can't enact laws.  They do about 50,000 a century and few of them ever
>> get undone, so we're ending up with an impassable morass of statutes.
>> 
>> 
>
>Time for another Tribonian? 

Pretty much.

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