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  Old days maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-23 10:58 +0000
    Re: Old days JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 11:31 -0500
      Re: Old days Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-23 17:46 +0100
        Re: Old days J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 13:22 -0400
      Re: Old days Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-23 17:55 +0000
        Re: Old days Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-23 20:08 +0000
          Re: Old days JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 16:14 -0500
          Re: Old days Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-23 15:34 -0700
            Re: Old days J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 19:15 -0400
            Re: Old days Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-24 18:40 +0000
              Re: Old days Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-24 19:42 +0000
                Re: Old days Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-09-24 16:42 -0500
                  Re: Old days Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-25 07:59 +0000
                    Re: Old days maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-25 10:12 +0000
                      Re: Old days Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-25 13:54 +0000
                        Re: Old days J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-25 15:53 -0400
              Re: Old days JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-24 16:07 -0500
              Re: Old days Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-24 15:48 -0700
                Re: Old days Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-24 23:18 +0000
              Re: Old days Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-25 00:53 +0100
      Re: Old days "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-09-23 19:52 +0200
        Re: Old days Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-23 11:36 -0700
          Re: Old days Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-09-23 12:46 -0600
            Re: Old days J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 19:10 -0400
            Re: Old days Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-24 08:39 +0100
              Re: Old days Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-09-24 08:58 -0600
          Re: Old days scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-23 19:19 +0000
          Re: Old days "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-09-23 23:11 +0200
          Re: Old days J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-23 19:09 -0400
            Re: Old days maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-24 08:10 +0000
              Re: Old days Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-09-24 09:02 -0600
                Re: Old days Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-09-24 16:31 +0100
                Re: Old days maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-24 17:06 +0000
                  Re: Old days Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2020-09-24 16:27 -0600
                Re: Old days Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-09-24 16:36 -0500
              Re: Old days JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-24 10:37 -0500
                Re: Old days maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-24 17:09 +0000
            Re: Old days scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-24 13:39 +0000
              Re: Old days Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-24 14:34 +0000
                Re: Old days scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-24 15:30 +0000
                  Re: Old days Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-24 16:42 +0000
              Re: Old days Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-24 11:21 -0700
                Re: Old days scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-24 18:52 +0000
    Re: Old days Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-09-23 16:39 -0500

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#214509 — Old days

Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga. 
I remember buying a modem, a  USRobotics one, with a large manual about
the Hayes command set, including how to turn on a handset phone
remotely. Fun.

Recently, I read that there is a suspicion that some tracing apps will 
allow that as well.

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#214510

On 23 Sep 2020 10:58:15 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga. 
>I remember buying a modem, a  USRobotics one, with a large manual about
>the Hayes command set, including how to turn on a handset phone
>remotely. Fun.
>
>Recently, I read that there is a suspicion that some tracing apps will 
>allow that as well.

iPhone can be turned on by Apple and the US government. The user wont
notice. That is from several IT documents I read years ago.

Supposedly other cell phones aren't that vulnerable.

-- 
Jim

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#214511

On 09/23/20 17:31, JimP wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2020 10:58:15 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>  wrote:
>>
>> Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga.
>> I remember buying a modem, a  USRobotics one, with a large manual about
>> the Hayes command set, including how to turn on a handset phone
>> remotely. Fun.
>>
>> Recently, I read that there is a suspicion that some tracing apps will
>> allow that as well.
>
> iPhone can be turned on by Apple and the US government. The user wont
> notice. That is from several IT documents I read years ago.
>
> Supposedly other cell phones aren't that vulnerable.
>

Dunno, but you could just turn it off and put it in a metal box if
it bothers. Don't use mobile a lot here and often forget to take it
out with me, but bought a Blackberry Z10 on Ebay for less than $20.
Well obsolete model, but is G4 capable and works fine. Good phone,
maps/gps, 8m pixel camera, surprisingly good and does everything I
need from a phone. Everything else still done on a desktop or
laptop here.

Doesn't need to be too complicated...

Chris

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#214512

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:46:26 +0100, Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 09/23/20 17:31, JimP wrote:
>> On 23 Sep 2020 10:58:15 GMT, maus<maus@dmaus.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga.
>>> I remember buying a modem, a  USRobotics one, with a large manual about
>>> the Hayes command set, including how to turn on a handset phone
>>> remotely. Fun.
>>>
>>> Recently, I read that there is a suspicion that some tracing apps will
>>> allow that as well.
>>
>> iPhone can be turned on by Apple and the US government. The user wont
>> notice. That is from several IT documents I read years ago.
>>
>> Supposedly other cell phones aren't that vulnerable.
>>
>
>Dunno, but you could just turn it off and put it in a metal box if
>it bothers. Don't use mobile a lot here and often forget to take it
>out with me, but bought a Blackberry Z10 on Ebay for less than $20.
>Well obsolete model, but is G4 capable and works fine. Good phone,
>maps/gps, 8m pixel camera, surprisingly good and does everything I
>need from a phone. Everything else still done on a desktop or
>laptop here.
>
>Doesn't need to be too complicated...

Just wrap it in foil.  

However the notion that phone that is off can be turned on remotely is
a half-truth and mostly FUD.  It according to everything that I have
been able to find requires that someone with the phone physically in
their possession apply a hack to it first to enable the process, and
even then it only works by preventing the phone from powering down in
the first place.  

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#214513

On 2020-09-23, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23 Sep 2020 10:58:15 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga. 

That was the one computer I really got excited about.
Too bad Commode-Door management worked so hard to run it into the ground.

"If Commodore sold sushi, they would market it as 'cold dead fish'."

>> I remember buying a modem, a  USRobotics one, with a large manual about
>> the Hayes command set, including how to turn on a handset phone
>> remotely. Fun.
>>
>> Recently, I read that there is a suspicion that some tracing apps will 
>> allow that as well.
>
> iPhone can be turned on by Apple and the US government. The user wont
> notice. That is from several IT documents I read years ago.
>
> Supposedly other cell phones aren't that vulnerable.

Like my LG A-341 flip phone, for instance... :-)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#214519

On Wed, 2020-09-23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2020-09-23, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23 Sep 2020 10:58:15 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga. 
>
> That was the one computer I really got excited about.
> Too bad Commode-Door management worked so hard to run it into the ground.

I was, and am, more bitter about how the media and the mainstream
pretended the Amiga didn't exist.  All kids with a computer interest
(in .se and probably Europe in general) had or wanted an Amiga, but
you never, ever read about it in the papers.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#214521

On 23 Sep 2020 20:08:08 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
wrote:
>On Wed, 2020-09-23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2020-09-23, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23 Sep 2020 10:58:15 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good old days. I think that the best time was the arrival of the Amiga. 
>>
>> That was the one computer I really got excited about.
>> Too bad Commode-Door management worked so hard to run it into the ground.
>
>I was, and am, more bitter about how the media and the mainstream
>pretended the Amiga didn't exist.  All kids with a computer interest
>(in .se and probably Europe in general) had or wanted an Amiga, but
>you never, ever read about it in the papers.

I don't think CBM advertised very much. And when they did one bowl
game, I feel it was a waste of money.

-- 
Jim

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#214524

On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 2:08:10 PM UTC-6, Jorgen Grahn wrote:

> I was, and am, more bitter about how the media and the mainstream 
> pretended the Amiga didn't exist. All kids with a computer interest 
> (in .se and probably Europe in general) had or wanted an Amiga, but 
> you never, ever read about it in the papers. 

Interesting. I know that the computer-related media paid a lot of attention
to the Amiga, particularly when the Amiga 1000 originally came out.

However, by the time of the Amiga 500... it was 1987. The Amiga - and the
Atari ST - were cheap plastic home computers for people who couldn't afford
a 'real' computer: a PC compatible or a Macintosh.

The Macintosh, and the IBM PC AT (the 80286 one) date from 1984.

The Sanyo MBC-555 dates from 1982; it was an affordable not-quite-compatible
that only briefly preceded the arrival of inexpensive PC clones.

So, while one would have expected even the mainstream media to have taken notice
of the groundbreaking Amiga 1000 when it came out, despite the fact that even by 1987
the PC and Mac hadn't caught up with its graphics and sound capabilities, the "mainstream
media" was quite correctly paying attention to the things that were important - the computers
that you could get software for, the computers that were being used in offices and small
businesses everywhere.

John Savard

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#214528

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:34:01 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 2:08:10 PM UTC-6, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>
>> I was, and am, more bitter about how the media and the mainstream 
>> pretended the Amiga didn't exist. All kids with a computer interest 
>> (in .se and probably Europe in general) had or wanted an Amiga, but 
>> you never, ever read about it in the papers. 
>
>Interesting. I know that the computer-related media paid a lot of attention
>to the Amiga, particularly when the Amiga 1000 originally came out.
>
>However, by the time of the Amiga 500... it was 1987. The Amiga - and the
>Atari ST - were cheap plastic home computers for people who couldn't afford
>a 'real' computer: a PC compatible or a Macintosh.
>
>The Macintosh, and the IBM PC AT (the 80286 one) date from 1984.
>
>The Sanyo MBC-555 dates from 1982; it was an affordable not-quite-compatible
>that only briefly preceded the arrival of inexpensive PC clones.
>
>So, while one would have expected even the mainstream media to have taken notice
>of the groundbreaking Amiga 1000 when it came out, despite the fact that even by 1987
>the PC and Mac hadn't caught up with its graphics and sound capabilities, the "mainstream
>media" was quite correctly paying attention to the things that were important - the computers
>that you could get software for, the computers that were being used in offices and small
>businesses everywhere.

Fortunately for a lot of us Joe Straczynski didn't get the memo.  And
thus we have Babylon 5.

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#214547

On 2020-09-23, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> So, while one would have expected even the mainstream media to have
> taken notice of the groundbreaking Amiga 1000 when it came out,
> despite the fact that even by 1987 the PC and Mac hadn't caught up
> with its graphics and sound capabilities, the "mainstream media" was
> quite correctly paying attention to the things that were important -
> the computers that you could get software for, the computers that
> were being used in offices and small businesses everywhere.

There was plenty of software available for the Amiga - I ran
WordPerfect on mine.

The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the
magic three letters in its name.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#214549

On 2020-09-24, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the
> magic three letters in its name.

Yes, the C was sadly not deemed an appropriate substitute.

Niklas
-- 
It's possible to make Windows secure, in much the same way as it's
possible to make a bullet-proof vest out of cheese - you just need
an awful lot of cheese and the end result doesn't smell good.
                              -- Jim in asr

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#214553

On 9/24/2020 2:42 PM, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2020-09-24, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the
>> magic three letters in its name.
> 
> Yes, the C was sadly not deemed an appropriate substitute.
> Niklas
> 

Perhaps Jack should have considered just inserting the C to get the eye-catching ICBM

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#214560

On 2020-09-24, Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> wrote:
> On 9/24/2020 2:42 PM, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> On 2020-09-24, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the
>>> magic three letters in its name.
>> 
>> Yes, the C was sadly not deemed an appropriate substitute.
>> Niklas
>
> Perhaps Jack should have considered just inserting the C to get the eye-catching ICBM

Ah yes, the market would have blown up!

Hmm. I swear this sig was randomly selected automatically, not
handpicked by me for this post...

Niklas
-- 
"But you've got to hand it to IBM, they know how to design hardware. The
servers all had handles to pick them up and throw them out of the window...."
                       -- Juergen Nieveler in asr

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#214562

On 2020-09-25, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
> On 2020-09-24, Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2020 2:42 PM, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>> On 2020-09-24, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the
>>>> magic three letters in its name.
>>> 
>>> Yes, the C was sadly not deemed an appropriate substitute.
>>> Niklas
>>
>> Perhaps Jack should have considered just inserting the C to get the eye-catching ICBM
>
> Ah yes, the market would have blown up!
>
> Hmm. I swear this sig was randomly selected automatically, not
> handpicked by me for this post...
>
> Niklas
>

Three letters, HAL. 

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#214563

On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:12:27 +0000, maus wrote:

> On 2020-09-25, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>> On 2020-09-24, Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2020 2:42 PM, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>> On 2020-09-24, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the magic
>>>>> three letters in its name.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, the C was sadly not deemed an appropriate substitute. Niklas
>>>
>>> Perhaps Jack should have considered just inserting the C to get the
>>> eye-catching ICBM
>>
>> Ah yes, the market would have blown up!
>>
>> Hmm. I swear this sig was randomly selected automatically, not
>> handpicked by me for this post...
>>
>> Niklas
>>
>>
> Three letters, HAL.

The old HAL => IBM.

But then there's Dave Cutler:

  VMS => WNT



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
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#214567

On 25 Sep 2020 13:54:20 GMT, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:12:27 +0000, maus wrote:
>
>> On 2020-09-25, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>>> On 2020-09-24, Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2020 2:42 PM, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-09-24, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the magic
>>>>>> three letters in its name.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, the C was sadly not deemed an appropriate substitute. Niklas
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps Jack should have considered just inserting the C to get the
>>>> eye-catching ICBM
>>>
>>> Ah yes, the market would have blown up!
>>>
>>> Hmm. I swear this sig was randomly selected automatically, not
>>> handpicked by me for this post...
>>>
>>> Niklas
>>>
>>>
>> Three letters, HAL.
>
>The old HAL => IBM.
>
>But then there's Dave Cutler:
>
>  VMS => WNT

Why did I never notice that?

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#214551

On 24 Sep 2020 18:40:18 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
>On 2020-09-23, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> So, while one would have expected even the mainstream media to have
>> taken notice of the groundbreaking Amiga 1000 when it came out,
>> despite the fact that even by 1987 the PC and Mac hadn't caught up
>> with its graphics and sound capabilities, the "mainstream media" was
>> quite correctly paying attention to the things that were important -
>> the computers that you could get software for, the computers that
>> were being used in offices and small businesses everywhere.
>
>There was plenty of software available for the Amiga - I ran
>WordPerfect on mine.
>
>The most important thing that the Amiga was missing was the
>magic three letters in its name.

I bought Word Perfect and Lotus 1-2-3 for mine. Warning came with
Lotus, don't use more than a certain number of rows, as beyond that
would be too many and the ms-dos version couldn't import the file.

-- 
Jim

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#214556

On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 12:41:15 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> There was plenty of software available for the Amiga - I ran 
> WordPerfect on mine. 

And today there is "plenty" of software available for the Macintosh. But some
people are just picky.

John Savard

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#214557

On 2020-09-24, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 12:41:15 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> There was plenty of software available for the Amiga - I ran 
>> WordPerfect on mine. 
>
> And today there is "plenty" of software available for the Macintosh.
> But some people are just picky.

Often in the same sense as citizens in the former Soviet Union.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#214558

On 24 Sep 2020 18:40:18 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2020-09-23, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> 
> > So, while one would have expected even the mainstream media to have
> > taken notice of the groundbreaking Amiga 1000 when it came out,
> > despite the fact that even by 1987 the PC and Mac hadn't caught up
> > with its graphics and sound capabilities, the "mainstream media" was
> > quite correctly paying attention to the things that were important -
> > the computers that you could get software for, the computers that
> > were being used in offices and small businesses everywhere.
> 
> There was plenty of software available for the Amiga - I ran
> WordPerfect on mine.

	In 1995 I organised a trade show stand for the ISP I was running,
we had a dial up connection to the site, a BSD box running as a local
router and a Windows PC, a Mac and an Amiga (belonging to customers
helping out) connected up. But that wasn't enough for the guy who brought
the Amiga along he had to fire up a PC emulator and run Windows on it and a
Mac emulator.

	One thing that was amusing was discovering another stand where
they were making a big deal out of being able to connect a unix box to PCs
and Macs.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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