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SYSTEMD? EGAD!

Started bygareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
First post2020-09-08 12:08 +0100
Last post2020-09-08 21:02 +0100
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  SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 12:08 +0100
    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 11:13 +0000
      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 07:57 -0400
        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 13:27 +0000
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 06:40 -0700
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-08 16:21 +0000
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 09:27 -0700
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:31 +0000
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 14:34 +0000
        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 16:14 +0100
        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-09-10 11:20 +0000
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 11:57 +0000
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 08:23 -0400
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 17:37 +0100
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:37 +0000
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 08:19 -0400
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-10 14:32 +0200
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 09:15 -0400
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 13:30 +0000
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 09:34 -0400
                    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 13:35 +0000
                      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 10:00 -0400
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 07:15 -0700
                          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 14:22 +0000
                          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 16:01 +0000
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 17:18 +0100
                          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-09-10 11:59 -0500
                            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 18:20 +0100
                              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 23:12 +0000
                                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-11 06:35 +0000
                              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 23:23 +0000
                                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-11 01:11 +0100
                                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-11 09:11 -0500
                      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-10 16:24 +0000
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 17:03 +0000
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-10 17:55 -0400
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-11 02:12 -0300
                          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-11 20:41 +0000
                            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-11 21:11 +0000
                              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-12 15:06 +0100
                                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-12 16:03 +0000
                                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-26 16:05 +0100
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-25 23:15 +0000
                      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-09-10 23:55 +0000
                        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-11 08:09 +0200
                    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-09-10 23:54 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-10 15:54 +0200
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 10:14 -0400
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-09-10 23:57 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:56 +0000
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 09:53 -0700
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-25 23:03 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-26 08:35 +0000
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-26 18:37 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-26 17:41 +0200
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-09-10 16:09 +0000
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 12:17 -0400
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 09:53 -0700
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-11 13:22 +0000
                    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-11 13:39 +0000
                      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-11 14:11 +0000
                    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-11 20:24 -0300
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 17:21 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:36 +0000
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:34 +0000
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 17:14 +0100
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 09:53 -0700
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-10 17:05 +0000
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-10 19:13 +0200
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2020-09-10 19:19 +0000
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 17:39 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-10 20:25 +0100
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 20:23 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 05:48 +0000
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-26 11:24 +0000
                    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-26 16:14 +0000
                      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-26 20:53 +0000
                  Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-09-26 12:44 +0000
                    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-26 13:03 +0000
    Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Douglas Miller <durgadas311@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 06:04 -0700
      Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 16:16 +0100
        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 16:22 +0100
        Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 15:40 +0000
          Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 19:42 +0100
            Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 19:52 +0100
              Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 19:38 +0000
                Re: SYSTEMD? EGAD! gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 21:02 +0100

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#213920

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-09-08 16:16 +0100
Message-ID<rj877q$2m5$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#213907
On 08/09/2020 14:04, Douglas Miller wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 6:08:26 AM UTC-5, gareth evans wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> My impression, clearly quite wrong, was that LINUX
>> was little more than a vehicle for launching programs,
>> ie, an uppity MSDOS, but with provision for multi-tasking
>> (multi-programming?)
>>
>> ...
>
> You couldn't be more wrong about Linux. It is more of an OS than Windows will ever be. Better go back and start reading again. And, while systemd might appear to a casual observer to be some MS monstrosity, if differs in pretty much all the important aspects:
>
> * It works.
> * It was designed.
> * It was implemented by competent engineers
> * It is customizable and extendable.
> * It uses text files for configuration (human readable).
> * The average sysadmin can actually understand how their system is configured.
>

I couldn't ne more right about Linux having worked through RSX11-M and 
been involved in several proprietary real time execs.

Who mantioned Windows? Not I.

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#213922

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-09-08 16:22 +0100
Message-ID<rj87kd$2m5$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#213920
On 08/09/2020 16:16, gareth evans wrote:
> On 08/09/2020 14:04, Douglas Miller wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 6:08:26 AM UTC-5, gareth evans wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> My impression, clearly quite wrong, was that LINUX
>>> was little more than a vehicle for launching programs,
>>> ie, an uppity MSDOS, but with provision for multi-tasking
>>> (multi-programming?)
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>> You couldn't be more wrong about Linux. It is more of an OS than
>> Windows will ever be. Better go back and start reading again. And,
>> while systemd might appear to a casual observer to be some MS
>> monstrosity, if differs in pretty much all the important aspects:
>>
>> * It works.
>> * It was designed.
>> * It was implemented by competent engineers
>> * It is customizable and extendable.
>> * It uses text files for configuration (human readable).
>> * The average sysadmin can actually understand how their system is
>> configured.
>>
>
> I couldn't ne more right about Linux having worked through RSX11-M and
> been involved in several proprietary real time execs.
>
> Who mantioned Windows? Not I.
>

Typos - be more right; mentioned.

Reading again, all those bullet points apply equally well to MS-DOS!

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#213925

FromBob Eager <news0073@eager.cx>
Date2020-09-08 15:40 +0000
Message-ID<hrpmvpFlqecU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#213920
On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:16:09 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

> I couldn't ne more right about Linux having worked through RSX11-M and
> been involved in several proprietary real time execs.

But RSX-11M isn't exactly complicated, is it?

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#213951

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-09-08 19:42 +0100
Message-ID<rj8jai$t73$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#213925
On 08/09/2020 16:40, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:16:09 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>
>> I couldn't ne more right about Linux having worked through RSX11-M and
>> been involved in several proprietary real time execs.
>
> But RSX-11M isn't exactly complicated, is it?
>

Nothing is complicated when you know your way around it.

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#213955

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-09-08 19:52 +0100
Message-ID<rj8jt5$3ms$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#213951
On 08/09/2020 19:42, gareth evans wrote:
> On 08/09/2020 16:40, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:16:09 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't ne more right about Linux having worked through RSX11-M and
>>> been involved in several proprietary real time execs.
>>
>> But RSX-11M isn't exactly complicated, is it?
>>
>
> Nothing is complicated when you know your way around it.
>

PS. It was about 1983 when I read an article on the UNIX kernel
and realise its similarity to other OS kernels.

AIUI, LINUX installs rely on many other things which are not,
in themsleves, LINUX. Such as publicly sourced versions of GREP.

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#213967

FromBob Eager <news0073@eager.cx>
Date2020-09-08 19:38 +0000
Message-ID<hrq4soFlqecU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#213955
On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 19:52:14 +0100, gareth evans wrote:

> PS. It was about 1983 when I read an article on the UNIX kernel and
> realise its similarity to other OS kernels.

UNIX in 1983 is light years away from Linux now.

> AIUI, LINUX installs rely on many other things which are not, in
> themsleves, LINUX. Such as publicly sourced versions of GREP.

Wow! You finally discovered that?

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#213971

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-09-08 21:02 +0100
Message-ID<rj8nvu$7dp$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#213967
On 08/09/2020 20:38, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 19:52:14 +0100, gareth evans wrote:
>
>> PS. It was about 1983 when I read an article on the UNIX kernel and
>> realise its similarity to other OS kernels.
>
> UNIX in 1983 is light years away from Linux now.
>
>> AIUI, LINUX installs rely on many other things which are not, in
>> themsleves, LINUX. Such as publicly sourced versions of GREP.
>
> Wow! You finally discovered that?
>

I am uncertain as to your motivation behind your responses.

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