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  Usenet Stories Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-09-06 12:08 +0000
    Re: Usenet Stories Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 14:08 +0000
      Re: Usenet Stories Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-09-06 18:02 +0300
        Re: Usenet Stories John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-06 18:27 +0000
          Re: Usenet Stories Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-06 23:01 +0100
      Re: Usenet Stories Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-09-07 16:59 +0000
        Re: Usenet Stories Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2020-09-07 10:35 -0700
        Re: Usenet Stories JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 09:31 -0500
          Re: Usenet Stories Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:43 +0000
            Re: Usenet Stories Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 14:53 +0000
              Re: Usenet Stories Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 15:41 +0000
            Re: Usenet Stories Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-08 20:53 +0100
              Re: Usenet Stories scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 20:45 +0000
              Re: Usenet Stories Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 14:45 +0000
                Re: Usenet Stories Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-09 17:20 +0000
                  Re: Usenet Stories Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 18:48 +0100
                    Re: Usenet Stories Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2020-09-09 19:02 +0000
                      Re: Usenet Stories Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:06 +0100
                      Re: Usenet Stories John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-09 21:33 +0000
                        Re: Usenet Stories Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2020-09-09 21:50 +0000
                          Re: Usenet Stories scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:49 +0000
                Re: Usenet Stories Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 18:03 +0100
    Re: Usenet Stories Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-06 16:22 +0000
      Re: Usenet Stories Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-06 19:01 +0000
    Re: Usenet Stories Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-06 19:44 +0300
    Re: Usenet Stories Owen Rees <orees@hotmail.com> - 2020-09-06 21:46 +0100
      Re: Usenet Stories Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-09-07 06:27 +0000
    Re: Usenet Stories Dallas <dallas@texas.usa> - 2020-09-09 12:22 -0500
      Re: Usenet Stories "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-11-03 19:46 +0000
    Re: Usenet Stories DNews <newsup@somewhere.cbr> - 2020-10-16 08:23 +0000
      Re: Usenet Stories Faux Dameron <fauxdameron@mailfence.com> - 2020-10-16 14:40 +0000
        Re: Usenet Stories f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-10-16 23:02 +0200
      Usenet Stories Schmitty <Thomas.Heinrich.Schmidt@googlemail.com> - 2020-11-06 10:13 +0100
        Re: Usenet Stories Schmitty <Thomas.Heinrich.Schmidt@googlemail.com> - 2020-12-04 15:17 +0100
          Re: Usenet Stories f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-12-09 18:58 +0100
            Re: Usenet Stories f6k <f6k@huld.re> - 2020-12-09 19:06 +0100
              Re: Usenet Stories Schmitty <Thomas.Heinrich.Schmidt@googlemail.com> - 2020-12-11 15:56 +0100
    Re: Usenet Stories "A.T. Murray" <mentificium@gmail.com> - 2020-10-21 12:30 -0700
      No Usenet Stories Schmitty <Thomas.Heinrich.Schmidt@googlemail.com> - 2020-10-23 12:05 +0200
        Re: No Usenet Stories Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-10-24 07:10 +0000
          Re: No Usenet Stories Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-24 08:47 +0100
            Re: No Usenet Stories Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-10-24 18:00 +0000
            Re: No Usenet Stories JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-10-24 18:17 -0500
              Re: No Usenet Stories Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-10-25 08:03 +0000
                Re: No Usenet Stories JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-10-25 10:32 -0500

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#213835 — Usenet Stories

I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving 
Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .

One of the most famous stories is from a Finnish grad student starting 
his own OS. I've already got that one in my notes.

What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet. 
I've got several gigs of archives from archive.org going back to the 
80's. If you can tell me the story, the newsgroup, and approximately when 
(withing 3-5 years), I can probably find the original posts with some 
digging. That's how I found the original post from the grad student :).

Thanks!

X-posted to alt.folklore.computers, alt.fan.usenet, news.groups, 
r/usenet, r/internet, and r/oldinternet

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#213839

On Sun, 06 Sep 2020 12:08:36 +0000, Jason Evans wrote:

> I'm doing a couple of conference presentations next month on reviving
> Usenet. Part of it will be telling stories from Usenet to both stir .
> 
> One of the most famous stories is from a Finnish grad student starting
> his own OS. I've already got that one in my notes.
> 
> What I'm looking for are interesting and/or funny stories from Usenet.
> I've got several gigs of archives from archive.org going back to the
> 80's. If you can tell me the story, the newsgroup, and approximately
> when (withing 3-5 years), I can probably find the original posts with
> some digging. That's how I found the original post from the grad student
> :).

The 500 mile email



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#213841

On Sun, 6 Sep 2020, Bob Eager wrote:

> The 500 mile email

Legend!


/
Bud
/

a1=S0
b1=[1..2,'L0L']
a2=2*a1
a3=S1.4#b1
a4=(a2,a3)
a5=64*a4

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#213852

In article <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2009061802330.22448@cerebro.liukuma.net>,
Bud Spencer  <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Sep 2020, Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> The 500 mile email
>
>Legend!

I gather that early on, there were two overseas Internet links to
Australia, different ISPs connected to one or the other, and for a
while email to your neighbor in oz might take a detour through
California.

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#213858

On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:27:03 -0000 (UTC)
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> In article <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2009061802330.22448@cerebro.liukuma.net>,
> Bud Spencer  <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> >On Sun, 6 Sep 2020, Bob Eager wrote:
> >
> >> The 500 mile email
> >
> >Legend!
> 
> I gather that early on, there were two overseas Internet links to
> Australia, different ISPs connected to one or the other, and for a
> while email to your neighbor in oz might take a detour through
> California.

	A very similar thing went on between the various Irish ISPs for
a while with each having a connection out of the country as their feed.
Eventually an interchange was set up in Dublin but until then Irish
internet traffic mostly took long routes.

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Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#213873

On 6 Sep 2020 14:08:36 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

> 
> The 500 mile email

The original post is here:
https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing 
list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also 
doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with 
what I'm trying to do.


-- 
JE

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#213876

On 2020-09-07 16:59:48 +0000, Jason Evans said:

> On 6 Sep 2020 14:08:36 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The 500 mile email
> 
> The original post is here:
> https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
> 
> It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing
> list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also
> doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with
> what I'm trying to do.

How about the following

"PC Roadkill"  Michael Hyman

Also a number of books by Robert L. Glass
"Power of Peonage"
"Computing Shakeout"
"The Universal Elixer and other Computing Projects Which Failed"
"The Second Coming: MOre Computing Projects that Failed"
"Software Foaklore"
"Tales of Computing Folk"
"Computing Catastrophies"
"Software 2020"
"Software Soliloquies"

Some can  be found on Amazon and
https://www.abebooks.com


-- 
Michael LeVine
mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com

Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly,
and applying the wrong remedies.
		Groucho Marx

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#213913

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:59:48 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
<jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>On 6 Sep 2020 14:08:36 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> 
>> The 500 mile email
>
>The original post is here:
>https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
>
>It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing 
>list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also 
>doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with 
>what I'm trying to do.

Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.

-- 
Jim

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#213917

On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:31:42 -0500, JimP wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:59:48 -0000 (UTC), Jason Evans
> <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>On 6 Sep 2020 14:08:36 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The 500 mile email
>>
>>The original post is here:
>>https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
>>
>>It was originally never posted to Usenet, but to a long dead mailing
>>list. Though, I'm sure people posted and re-posted it here also. It also
>>doesn't have anything to do with Usenet so it really doesn't fit with
>>what I'm trying to do.
> 
> Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.

I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.

I installed postfix instead.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#213918

On 2020-09-08, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:31:42 -0500, JimP wrote:
>> 
>> Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
>
> I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
>
> I installed postfix instead.

I wouldn't touch sendmail.cf directly, but depending on your use case,
doing it via sendmail.mc and running it through the macro processor is
tolerable.

Postfix _is_ nicer, though.

Niklas
-- 
A few minutes ago I attempted to give a flying fsck, but the best I
could do was to watch it skitter across the floor. -- Anthony de Boer

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#213926

On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:53:03 +0000, Niklas Karlsson wrote:

> On 2020-09-08, Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:31:42 -0500, JimP wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
>>
>> I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
>>
>> I installed postfix instead.
> 
> I wouldn't touch sendmail.cf directly, but depending on your use case,
> doing it via sendmail.mc and running it through the macro processor is
> tolerable.

The trouble is that m4 is awful, too.

> Postfix _is_ nicer, though.

Indeed!

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#213969

On 8 Sep 2020 14:43:57 GMT
Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:31:42 -0500, JimP wrote:
> 
> > Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
> 
> I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.

	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#213972

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>On 8 Sep 2020 14:43:57 GMT
>Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:31:42 -0500, JimP wrote:
>> 
>> > Fascinating. I never had to configure sendmail though.
>> 
>> I tried once. Despite being warned by someone.
>
>	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
>workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
>"kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.

I always found the O'reilly _Sendmail Cookbook_ to be quite useful
when working with sendmail.cf.

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#214013

On 2020-09-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> 	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
> workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
> "kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.

You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
nightmare.

Niklas
-- 
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#214018

On 2020-09-09, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:

> On 2020-09-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> 	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
>> workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
>> "kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
>
> You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
> nightmare.

I never went near sendmail.  Configuring X was bad enough.

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#214023

On 9 Sep 2020 17:20:52 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2020-09-09, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
> 
> > On 2020-09-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> >
> >> 	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
> >> workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
> >> "kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
> >
> > You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
> > nightmare.
> 
> I never went near sendmail.  Configuring X was bad enough.

	Compiling X the first time caused me some grief - the version of
Interactive I had lacked TCP/IP, streams and IPC. It also had an irritating
line length limitation in make that broke the Xlib Makefile (at least) in
X11R5. Pseudo TTY pairs was the only communication mechanism available, and
only one side of that was implemented in the X11 code. Getting an X on the
screen that moved with the mouse took some effort.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#214026

On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:48:16 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On 9 Sep 2020 17:20:52 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-09-09, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2020-09-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a puntmail
>> >> workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a "drop" and a
>> >> "kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
>> >
>> > You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
>> > nightmare.
>> 
>> I never went near sendmail.  Configuring X was bad enough.
> 
> 	Compiling X the first time caused me some grief - the version of
> Interactive I had lacked TCP/IP, streams and IPC. It also had an
> irritating line length limitation in make that broke the Xlib Makefile
> (at least) in X11R5. Pseudo TTY pairs was the only communication
> mechanism available, and only one side of that was implemented in the
> X11 code. Getting an X on the screen that moved with the mouse took some
> effort.

I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
to work.

I was using a graphics card with a TMS34010 processor so getting the
display part working was a lot more effort than the comms driver.

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#214036

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 19:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:48:16 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> 
> > On 9 Sep 2020 17:20:52 GMT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2020-09-09, Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On 2020-09-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 	I had a lot of fun configuring sendmail when I built a
> >> >> puntmail workalike (I called it drop-kick and it actually had a
> >> >> "drop" and a "kick"), raw sendmail.cf no macros.
> >> >
> >> > You're a better man than I. I consider sendmail.cf a Lovecraftian
> >> > nightmare.
> >> 
> >> I never went near sendmail.  Configuring X was bad enough.
> > 
> > 	Compiling X the first time caused me some grief - the version of
> > Interactive I had lacked TCP/IP, streams and IPC. It also had an
> > irritating line length limitation in make that broke the Xlib Makefile
> > (at least) in X11R5. Pseudo TTY pairs was the only communication
> > mechanism available, and only one side of that was implemented in the
> > X11 code. Getting an X on the screen that moved with the mouse took some
> > effort.
> 
> I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
> bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
> to work.

	I believe that happened in the release *after* the one I was using.

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Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#214040

In article <rjb8sr$u9f$1@dont-email.me>,
Robert Swindells  <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> wrote:
>I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
>bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
>to work.

STREAMS were added in SVR4 so it depends which version you had.  We shipped
a lot of SVR3 based systems.

-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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#214042

On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 21:33:38 +0000, John Levine wrote:

> In article <rjb8sr$u9f$1@dont-email.me>,
> Robert Swindells  <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> wrote:
>>I thought that STREAMS was in the base product of Interactive UNIX, I
>>bought the AT&T manuals for it and remember writing a driver to get X11
>>to work.
> 
> STREAMS were added in SVR4 so it depends which version you had.  We
> shipped a lot of SVR3 based systems.

It was SVR3.2, my AT&T STREAMS manuals are the same version.

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