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| Started by | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2020-09-05 20:57 +0100 |
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Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 20:57 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-05 20:40 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-05 22:44 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-08 21:10 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-05 22:50 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 19:35 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-06 07:12 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-02 09:36 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 19:05 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-02 21:44 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 22:16 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-07-03 00:57 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-02 23:05 -0500
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Fred Weigel <fridtjof.martin.weigel@gmail.com> - 2021-07-02 16:03 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-03 17:35 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-04 08:35 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 11:28 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-02 23:28 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-03 10:21 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-03 22:16 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-07-03 21:07 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-03 18:40 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-06 04:36 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-07-06 17:42 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-06 16:52 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-06 04:34 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:59 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 22:07 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 06:30 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-06 10:02 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2020-09-06 17:47 +0300
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-09-06 08:12 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-09-11 08:22 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 16:23 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 16:19 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 22:51 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-05 17:01 -0600
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 08:23 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-06 17:26 -0600
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 16:20 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 11:14 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-07 05:27 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-07 08:32 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-07 11:01 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-07 10:28 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 13:50 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-06 22:48 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-07 10:58 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-07 17:47 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-07 18:02 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-07 20:57 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 13:44 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 00:05 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 19:40 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 01:33 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:39 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 11:01 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 14:42 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 10:28 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 08:44 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 16:48 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 12:12 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:33 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 13:47 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 19:49 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:35 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-08 20:01 -0300
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 20:16 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-09 03:50 -0300
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-09 17:20 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-10 03:29 -0300
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-08 09:20 -0600
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:39 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-08 12:01 -0600
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-09 17:59 +0300
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 11:54 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:18 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 19:44 +0100
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-08 01:27 +0000
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-07 22:54 -0400
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 08:44 -0700
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-08 16:01 +0000
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 09:33 -0700
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 08:44 -0700
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:00 +0100
Re: ZFS, Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 09:33 -0700
Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 13:41 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 19:37 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:31 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> The Great Rootshow Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 22:54 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:09 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 23:18 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 20:10 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-09 09:41 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 08:34 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-09 12:43 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-09 13:29 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 08:44 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-09 18:31 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 15:49 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-09 20:41 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 17:32 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-10 05:17 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 12:15 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-10 11:51 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 14:40 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-10 17:39 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 18:03 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:45 +0000
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-10 12:02 -0400
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-10 17:35 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-09 21:05 +0100
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 16:55 -0700
Re: ZFS, -> WARNING back top systemd scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-10 15:48 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:38 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 02:29 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 17:53 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 17:43 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-09-08 23:00 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-02 07:10 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-02 16:32 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-03 04:10 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-08 01:01 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2021-07-08 11:36 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2021-07-08 16:01 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-08 15:01 -0700
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-08 22:45 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-08 19:30 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2021-07-08 21:02 -0500
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-07-08 12:09 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-08 13:44 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2021-07-08 12:49 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-08 13:53 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-08 14:17 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-07-08 22:00 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-08 13:56 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Daniel Jendinger <hexabit@daniels-mac-mini2.local> - 2021-09-06 18:56 +0000
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 17:27 -0400
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-06 22:30 +0100
Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2021-07-02 09:29 -0700
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2021-07-03 21:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87h7ha3mzc.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #218257 |
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 10:21:58 +0100, gareth evans wrote: > > On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >> People don't want to switch to a package that works better. >> They want something that works exactly like the one they're >> used to - warts and all. > > Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven! WTH? Come back CP/M, all is forgiven. :-D -- Andreas
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2021-07-03 18:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1445429516.647053697.880147.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #218257 |
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >> People don't want to switch to a package that works better. >> They want something that works exactly like the one they're >> used to - warts and all. > > Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven! > XP was a great improvement on all its successors. (don’t think I posted this already) I finally bit the bullet and installed XP ON virtualbox on Linux for occasional access to a couple of programs. I have an old game CD I used to like, I may install that, too. -- Pete
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-07-06 04:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ddddf6b1-8852-416e-a19b-100037080786n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #218257 |
On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 3:22:00 AM UTC-6, gareth evans wrote: > On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > People don't want to switch to a package that works better. > > They want something that works exactly like the one they're > > used to - warts and all. > Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven! Or at least Windows 7. John Savard
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2021-07-06 17:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20210706174240.3b3b55e1ae8350b7bdd79818@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #218283 |
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 04:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 3:22:00 AM UTC-6, gareth evans wrote: > > On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > > People don't want to switch to a package that works better. > > > They want something that works exactly like the one they're > > > used to - warts and all. > > > Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven! > > Or at least Windows 7. > > John Savard This is AFC, right? (posted from an XP machine). -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2021-07-06 16:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sc21nl010si@news2.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #218283 |
On 2021-07-06, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 3:22:00 AM UTC-6, gareth evans wrote: >> On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> People don't want to switch to a package that works better. >>> They want something that works exactly like the one they're >>> used to - warts and all. >> >> Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven! > > Or at least Windows 7. Win7 and I have bad chemistry. (This goes in spades for later versions.) If I absolutely must run a package that needs Win7, I re-boot the laptop I'm writing this on. The laptop (a refurbished Lenovo T410) originally came with Win7, which took up the entire 250GB drive. I shrank it down to 45GB (thank you, PerfectDisk) and installed Debian in a dual-boot configuration. Most Windows stuff I have to use runs under XP, which I have running in VirtualBox. As someone once said, the nice thing about having Microsoft in a window is that you can close it. :-) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2021-07-06 04:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6d0d1d39-e162-422a-b2ed-ec48334e7ccan@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #218246 |
On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 12:28:57 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > > If Microsoft wants to control how you use your computer, Apple is > > even worse in this regard. The reason some people are hesitant > > to go with Linux instead of Windows is because of the availability > > of software; the limited market share of the Macintosh means that it > > has a similar problem. > I don’t get this at all. Yes there are some specialized packages that may > require win, but from my experience almost all general-purpose software is > either available for Linux or has an equivalent that is at least as good. The most immediately obvious counterexample to this would be games. Yes, in some areas, there is better software available free for Linux than is available paid for Windows. And a few applications, like Firefox or Mathematica are available for both. Many Linux programs can be made to run on Windows - one can get a Cygwin version or a WSL version - and for Linux there's Wine. But while there's definitely overlap in functionality, Linux definitely has an advantage in some areas, like development tools, but programs aimed at the consumer are aimed at Windows. John Savard
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 17:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <355720210.621046513.143998.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #213807 |
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: > On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >> provided products to help you control your computer, but >> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >> computer. >> >> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >> I buy will be LINUX based. > > You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current > PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it > tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. > I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that there’s something on the machine I will need later. Most systems give you the option to Install in a partition, but older systems usually don’t have enough disk. You might as well buy a new system. I’m considering installing OS/2 in a partition, or picking up a cheap second-hand machine. I’m tired of VirtualBox. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 22:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <q0h8lfdscd88not5unvh2qcopeg4604pv2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213819 |
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:22 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >> On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >>> provided products to help you control your computer, but >>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >>> computer. >>> >>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >>> I buy will be LINUX based. >> >> You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current >> PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it >> tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. >> > >I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that >there’s something on the machine I will need later. Most systems give you >the option to Install in a partition, but older systems usually don’t have >enough disk. You might as well buy a new system. I’m considering installing >OS/2 in a partition, or picking up a cheap second-hand machine. I’m tired >of VirtualBox. By OS/2 do you mean EcomStation? If not I suspect OS/2 is not going to have a clue what to do with most modern physical hardware.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 06:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1021376369.621090351.224867.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #213826 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:22 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >>> On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but >>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >>>> I buy will be LINUX based. >>> >>> You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current >>> PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it >>> tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. >>> >> >> I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that >> there’s something on the machine I will need later. Most systems give you >> the option to Install in a partition, but older systems usually don’t have >> enough disk. You might as well buy a new system. I’m considering installing >> OS/2 in a partition, or picking up a cheap second-hand machine. I’m tired >> of VirtualBox. > > By OS/2 do you mean EcomStation? If not I suspect OS/2 is not going > to have a clue what to do with most modern physical hardware. > Actually Arcae Noae now, I think the eComStation people aren’t doing much development. Arca Noae is still being actively developed. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 10:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ctq9lf9s7rvgs6tlm4gadoq9v1vm4gh286@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213836 |
On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 06:30:30 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:22 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >>>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >>>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but >>>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >>>>> computer. >>>>> >>>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >>>>> I buy will be LINUX based. >>>> >>>> You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current >>>> PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it >>>> tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. >>>> >>> >>> I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that >>> there’s something on the machine I will need later. Most systems give you >>> the option to Install in a partition, but older systems usually don’t have >>> enough disk. You might as well buy a new system. I’m considering installing >>> OS/2 in a partition, or picking up a cheap second-hand machine. I’m tired >>> of VirtualBox. >> >> By OS/2 do you mean EcomStation? If not I suspect OS/2 is not going >> to have a clue what to do with most modern physical hardware. >> > >Actually Arcae Noae now, I think the eComStation people aren’t doing much >development. Arca Noae is still being actively developed. Thank you. I lost track of OS/2 development somewhere along the line. Looks like Arca Noae bought what remained of eComStation.
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| From | Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 17:47 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2009061746250.22448@cerebro.liukuma.net> |
| In reply to | #213836 |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2020, Peter Flass wrote: > Actually Arcae Noae now, I think the eComStation people aren’t doing much > development. Arca Noae is still being actively developed. Actually Arca OS. Arca Noae is company developing Arca OS. / Bud / a1=S0 b1=[1..2,'L0L'] a2=2*a1 a3=S1.4#b1 a4=(a2,a3) a5=64*a4
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| From | Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 08:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrl96f2.8c1.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> |
| In reply to | #213819 |
On Sun, 2020-09-06, Peter Flass wrote: > Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >> On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >>> provided products to help you control your computer, but >>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >>> computer. >>> >>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >>> I buy will be LINUX based. >> >> You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current >> PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it >> tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. >> > > I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that > there’s something on the machine I will need later. I have that feeling too. Had to fight it at work this week: we got new laptops and had to hand in our old ones, after copying whatever we needed. I /think/ I got all I needed; time will tell. I remembered things I usually forget: my ssh keys, some stuff from the Windows registry, and my hundreds of Firefox tabs. But now I have to configure things like Office, Outlook and Windows itself -- I don't know how to backup things like the Windows keyboard autorepeat rate. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| From | Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> |
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| Date | 2020-09-11 08:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rjfc4q$1mcb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #213829 |
On 2020-09-06, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: > On Sun, 2020-09-06, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >>>> I buy will be LINUX based. >>> >>> You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current >>> PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it >>> tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. >>> >> >> I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that >> there?s something on the machine I will need later. > > I have that feeling too. Had to fight it at work this week: we got > new laptops and had to hand in our old ones, after copying whatever we > needed. I /think/ I got all I needed; time will tell. > > I remembered things I usually forget: my ssh keys, some stuff from the > Windows registry, and my hundreds of Firefox tabs. But now I have to > configure things like Office, Outlook and Windows itself -- I don't > know how to backup things like the Windows keyboard autorepeat rate. Provided that the last time I installed windows was still windows98, Every time I decide to blow up a computer and reinstall fresh[1] I just run my backup script and then lightheartedly wipe it all ;-) Backups are the answer. Then if we are talking about Windows, the first time I do when I get a new laptop is to wipe the disk, even before it gets to run. [1]- it almost never happens, but sometimes I jut want to try getting rid of systemd and running devuan.
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 16:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rj2uto$dn5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213819 |
On 06/09/2020 01:59, Peter Flass wrote: > Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote: >> On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >>> provided products to help you control your computer, but >>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >>> computer. >>> >>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >>> I buy will be LINUX based. >> >> You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current >> PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it >> tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. >> > > I tend to never get rid of an OS - I always have the nagging feeling that > there’s something on the machine I will need later. Most systems give you > the option to Install in a partition, but older systems usually don’t have > enough disk. You might as well buy a new system. I’m considering installing > OS/2 in a partition, or picking up a cheap second-hand machine. I’m tired > of VirtualBox. > The oldest machine still usable here is a W95 laptop with and LCD screen only 6 inches wide! (Used for the ICOM PCR1000 RX)
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| From | gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 16:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <rj2umd$dn5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213807 |
On 05/09/2020 23:50, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > On Sat, 2020-09-05, gareth evans wrote: >> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft >> provided products to help you control your computer, but >> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the >> computer. >> >> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC >> I buy will be LINUX based. > > You don't have to wait; if all important hardware in your current > PC is supported, you can blow away Windows and install Linux on it > tomorrow. Ubuntu Linux is a popular choice. SWMBO is an occasional user of this PC, and it'd be impossible to retrain her. But starting from scratch on a new PC will be much easier. I do have a LINUX dual booting on a single processor laptop, where the LINUX is faster to boot up than the native XP on it, but it only gets an airing once a week and that only to keep the battery topped up.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 22:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrl7epFqul2U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #213842 |
On Sun, 06 Sep 2020 16:19:38 +0100, gareth evans wrote: > SWMBO is an occasional user of this PC, and it'd be impossible to > retrain her. Here, I have my own FreeBSD desktop and also a Windows one for when there is no alternative (e.g. the chip programmer). SWMBO also has a FreeBSD desktop and a Windows one. All the servers are FreeBSD. Other machines include fource PDP-11s and three VAXes! -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 17:01 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1ba6y3hlqo.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net> |
| In reply to | #213787 |
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> writes: > With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft > provided products to help you control your computer, but > with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the > computer. > > W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC > I buy will be LINUX based. > > So, just before my 35th year of being a Microsoft > customer and user, they have finally succeeded in > driving me away. Grew up on BSD Unix on a VAXen. When I got my first Windows laptop (running 3.11 on a compaq Concerto) I lasted about a week before I started looking into how to install Linux.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 08:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hrjkkcF5011U13@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #213808 |
On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 17:01:03 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> writes: > >> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft provided products >> to help you control your computer, but with W10 they are trying to >> control the way you use the computer. >> >> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC I buy will be LINUX >> based. >> >> So, just before my 35th year of being a Microsoft customer and user, >> they have finally succeeded in driving me away. > > Grew up on BSD Unix on a VAXen. When I got my first Windows laptop > (running 3.11 on a compaq Concerto) I lasted about a week before I > started looking into how to install Linux. Me too. Only it was Sixth Edition on a PDP-11, then the VAX, then others. But I went from BSD on VAX and successors, to FreeBSD on the PC. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 20:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ogb5H.449201$AN2.113241@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #213832 |
Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes: >On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 17:01:03 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > >> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft provided products >>> to help you control your computer, but with W10 they are trying to >>> control the way you use the computer. >>> >>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC I buy will be LINUX >>> based. >>> >>> So, just before my 35th year of being a Microsoft customer and user, >>> they have finally succeeded in driving me away. >> >> Grew up on BSD Unix on a VAXen. When I got my first Windows laptop >> (running 3.11 on a compaq Concerto) I lasted about a week before I >> started looking into how to install Linux. > >Me too. Only it was Sixth Edition on a PDP-11, then the VAX, then others. Similar progression for me - sixth edition on a 11/34, a set of four 780's (linked with an MA780 shared memory unit); mostly ran VMS, but we ran the 32-bit Unix from WE on vax A during weekends. SVR3.2, SVR4, SVR4.2ES/MP, Unixware 2.1, and RH7, RH8, RHEL, Centos, Scientific Linux, and the occasional Suse SLES. Over forty years of kernel development starting on the 11/34 (v6 drivers).
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| From | Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> |
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| Date | 2020-09-06 17:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <1ba6y2zdtx.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net> |
| In reply to | #213855 |
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: > Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes: >>On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 17:01:03 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> >>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> writes: >>> >>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft provided products >>>> to help you control your computer, but with W10 they are trying to >>>> control the way you use the computer. >>>> >>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC I buy will be LINUX >>>> based. >>>> >>>> So, just before my 35th year of being a Microsoft customer and user, >>>> they have finally succeeded in driving me away. >>> >>> Grew up on BSD Unix on a VAXen. When I got my first Windows laptop >>> (running 3.11 on a compaq Concerto) I lasted about a week before I >>> started looking into how to install Linux. >> >>Me too. Only it was Sixth Edition on a PDP-11, then the VAX, then others. > > Similar progression for me - sixth edition on a 11/34, a set of four > 780's (linked with an MA780 shared memory unit); mostly ran VMS, > but we ran the 32-bit Unix from WE on vax A during weekends. When we (UWash Computer Science Teaching Lab) got our VAX, it was running VMS. I was a student lab assistant when we switched to Unix, and I argued long and hard against the change. I've seldom been so happy (in retrospect) to have lost an argument.
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