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Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-08 16:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-08 16:50 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-08 17:19 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-09 13:19 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-09 16:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-09 12:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-09 16:35 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-09 16:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-09 19:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-10 12:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-10 19:02 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 14:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-12 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 16:46 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-12 15:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:10 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-10 01:06 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-10 11:33 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-10 18:48 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-10 12:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-10 22:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-11 19:49 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 13:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-12 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 16:42 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-12 22:11 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-03-12 23:49 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-03-13 08:36 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 14:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-11 22:17 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 16:47 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:40 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 13:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 18:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:32 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-11 14:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-11 18:17 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-12 15:03 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-12 15:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-12 19:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-13 10:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-03-13 18:07 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-13 11:43 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:31 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 19:08 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-12 01:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360-30 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-13 00:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360-30 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-06-13 00:26 +0000
Re: IBM system/360-30 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 20:38 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-03-09 21:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-10 12:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-12 02:11 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 10:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 07:54 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 12:04 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 10:31 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-06-12 07:49 -0700
Re: IBM 1130, system John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-06-12 23:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-23 00:55 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-24 13:29 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 17:35 -0400
RPG was Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-24 23:03 +0000
Re: RPG was Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 01:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-24 18:37 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 07:26 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:12 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 11:29 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:51 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 14:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:01 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 15:15 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:39 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:15 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:24 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:50 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:34 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:53 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 23:14 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 17:28 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 11:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 07:01 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 11:31 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 10:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 13:26 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 11:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 20:23 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 14:35 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 12:08 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 15:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-26 14:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 22:33 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:47 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 11:10 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 08:15 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-26 14:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 16:20 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 12:24 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-26 16:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-26 19:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-08-27 14:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 20:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 22:38 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 06:32 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-27 11:39 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-27 13:38 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-27 12:03 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 20:11 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-26 21:17 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-08-26 12:13 -0500
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 11:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 17:21 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 17:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-26 04:07 -0500
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 12:02 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 08:29 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 12:35 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 20:20 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 12:45 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:31 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 14:54 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:33 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 14:44 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:31 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 19:16 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:55 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-25 14:43 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-25 14:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:02 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:38 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 01:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-25 13:13 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:38 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-23 07:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-23 01:00 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-23 10:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-23 10:43 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-23 12:22 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-23 20:49 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-22 11:05 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-23 00:55 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-24 13:25 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 17:18 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 01:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 22:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 03:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:09 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-25 15:15 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:44 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:29 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-25 19:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 21:52 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Johnatan Duck <pato@thunder.local> - 2020-08-26 07:44 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-26 12:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-26 15:15 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:42 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-27 09:43 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:43 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 22:27 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 18:09 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-26 00:12 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 20:35 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-24 18:37 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 11:18 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:40 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 08:26 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-25 12:35 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:26 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:44 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 07:56 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 09:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:43 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-25 16:28 +0100
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 11:52 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-25 15:16 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-25 12:56 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:40 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 10:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 15:58 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 19:57 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 16:48 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:26 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 19:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-23 06:55 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-23 10:23 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 14:33 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 23:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-24 13:39 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-24 18:37 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 22:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-24 20:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-25 14:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 23:18 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-26 14:34 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:49 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-26 22:28 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:49 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 17:27 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:49 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 19:39 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-28 12:42 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 20:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-28 21:36 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-01 11:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-01 19:17 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:22 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-02 08:42 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-03 05:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 02:22 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-03 09:48 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 17:55 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-03 19:31 +0100
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 22:13 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:24 -0700
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-04 05:30 +0000
Re: PL/something, IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:08 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-04 05:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 10:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-05 05:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2020-09-05 06:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 10:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 12:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-09-08 21:10 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-09 05:07 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-09 09:38 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-09 11:16 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 19:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-09-02 12:18 -0600
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-01 19:20 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-01 16:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 19:12 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 11:59 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 09:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 14:05 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:18 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-02 16:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 20:35 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 23:59 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-03 10:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 13:39 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> - 2020-09-03 18:31 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:45 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-03 13:26 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 20:49 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 01:37 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 23:27 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-03 07:05 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-03 10:16 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-09-03 12:29 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-03 16:26 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-09-03 13:11 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Richard Thiebaud <thiebauddick2@aol.com> - 2020-09-03 14:20 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-03 11:48 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-03 19:57 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 10:38 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-03 19:04 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 18:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-03 10:55 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 14:02 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 22:45 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:11 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 17:45 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 10:10 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:22 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 09:53 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 15:19 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 20:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 21:04 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-03 07:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 09:15 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-03 13:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 18:04 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 05:48 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 10:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 14:56 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 11:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 19:49 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:12 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 20:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:53 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-04 21:23 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-09-05 12:22 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 18:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-04 18:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:41 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 22:10 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 12:04 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-08 23:35 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-09 13:17 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:34 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 22:37 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 23:56 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-05 19:02 +0000
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:23 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:37 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 16:57 -0400
Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 17:09 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:38 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 22:05 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-06 06:30 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 21:32 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 23:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 00:05 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-05 09:48 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-05 07:20 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 12:09 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-08 21:00 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-09-09 14:45 -0500
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 11:53 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 18:37 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-08 11:59 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:22 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-04 16:02 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 19:43 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 18:13 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-05 09:47 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 12:21 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-03 21:45 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:01 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 13:16 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Stefan Möding <Sep2020.5.kill-9@spamgourmet.com> - 2020-09-02 16:14 +0200
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 07:20 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:36 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 13:19 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 15:25 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 14:43 +0100
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 12:40 -0400
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 02:08 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 06:12 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 20:36 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-02 20:54 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 22:18 +0000
Re: Fortran on IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-03 06:27 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 16:48 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:40 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 23:53 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 20:33 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 02:46 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 23:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 19:30 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 16:00 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 20:27 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 21:01 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 22:51 +0000
Re: IBM system/360/20, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 01:24 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:28 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 18:19 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 19:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-30 17:47 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 14:16 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 03:32 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 15:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 19:41 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-31 08:58 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 17:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 01:06 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 20:26 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-30 20:34 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 21:21 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 16:34 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 22:13 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-01 06:34 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-01 16:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-01 11:07 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 19:38 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 16:08 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, model 20 PL/I Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:41 -0700
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Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-29 12:21 +0000
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 09:41 -0400
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Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 15:07 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-29 17:52 -0700
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 22:21 -0400
Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 07:20 -0700
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Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 00:56 +0000
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 02:40 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 00:04 -0400
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 17:30 +0000
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 06:38 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 06:44 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 10:59 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 10:15 -0700
Re: KDF9 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 19:05 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 19:37 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 16:05 -0400
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-28 20:30 +0000
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-28 21:40 +0000
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:03 -0400
Re: stacks KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-29 14:01 +0000
Re: Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 18:33 +0000
Re: Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-30 11:09 +0000
Re: Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 07:18 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-30 17:58 +0000
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Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-09-01 09:39 +0000
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Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:13 -0700
Re: block moves, 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 02:14 +0000
Re: block moves, 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 20:52 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
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Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 00:06 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 18:05 -0700
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Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 02:51 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 23:52 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 20:58 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 10:18 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 13:28 -0400
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-31 15:50 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-31 17:24 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 22:19 -0700
Re: 70X index OR mode, Fortran, not KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-31 22:23 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2020-08-28 18:58 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-28 15:23 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:21 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:05 +0000
Re: KDF9 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 19:39 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:18 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-29 17:52 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 21:39 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-08-30 11:51 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 08:06 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 08:36 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 10:43 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 11:49 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:10 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:33 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 15:03 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-30 16:37 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-30 16:55 +0000
Re: Home made card reader J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:20 -0400
Re: Home made card reader Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-30 17:23 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 16:38 -0700
Re: Home made card reader John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-31 00:27 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-31 09:34 +0000
Re: Home made card reader usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:04 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-02 08:27 +0000
Re: Home made card reader Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 15:04 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 18:19 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-31 07:23 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-29 20:34 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-30 11:37 +0100
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Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-30 07:31 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:06 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-02 06:35 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-02 20:40 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 21:06 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 01:41 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 23:28 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 18:10 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 17:25 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-09-03 22:26 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-03 19:03 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 16:03 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-09-04 23:34 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-09-05 10:02 -0400
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-05 17:38 -0700
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-03 16:32 +0000
Re: PDP-10, was KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-04 18:11 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-08-29 01:04 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:14 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-29 08:35 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 12:13 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:40 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-28 07:00 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-28 15:17 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 18:24 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 20:04 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 22:07 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:20 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-29 12:28 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-29 12:31 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-29 23:58 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-09-01 11:10 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 05:21 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-02 16:54 +0000
Re: flaming, not at all KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-29 18:35 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:15 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-28 12:45 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-28 20:28 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-29 11:11 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 14:28 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-29 19:39 +0100
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 16:59 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 15:15 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 18:25 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 18:09 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 22:28 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 10:28 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-29 08:40 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 06:32 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 07:50 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 18:56 -0400
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:39 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:34 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:44 -0700
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-27 19:08 +0000
Re: KDF9, not IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-27 11:36 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:11 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 09:25 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 10:32 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 07:50 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 10:36 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:40 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-28 05:10 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 06:20 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-27 09:31 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-27 17:42 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Stoat <fake@fake.org> - 2020-08-28 15:49 +1200
Re: IBM system/360 ad gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-27 16:06 +0100
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Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-10 11:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-10 14:47 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-03-11 15:05 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-11 16:33 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-12 14:57 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 19:59 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-03-12 17:27 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 20:57 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-13 10:15 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-03-10 18:06 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-03-11 12:32 -0700
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-12 02:52 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-06-12 10:27 -0400
Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-14 13:40 +0000
Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-14 09:01 -0700
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Re: IBM system/360 ad antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2020-06-15 21:58 +0000
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Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-12 12:57 -0700
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Re: IBM system/360 ad Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-06-12 15:29 -0700
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-09-04 21:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <riub7m$u51$3@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #213717 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> schrieb: > I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done > with Fortran is now often done with C. It can be done, and it is being done. There are some ways where C is clearly deficient vs. even the old Fortran versions, especially multidimensional arrays. Before Fortran 90, the language also had some serious deficiencies versus C (no structs, no inteface checking, no dynamic memory management). Fortran 90 came rather late, and was only sluggishly implemented by many compiler vendors. I think that was the window when the language lost a lot of popularity.
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-09-05 12:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <hrhe7vFm02U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #213718 |
On 2020-09-04, Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
> Before Fortran 90, the language also had some serious deficiencies
> versus C (no structs, no inteface checking, no dynamic memory
> management). Fortran 90 came rather late, and was only sluggishly
> implemented by many compiler vendors. I think that was the window
> when the language lost a lot of popularity.
Well, it took quite a while for compiler support for C99 to show up,
too. But I guess C was (is!) so entrenched that it didn't hurt its
popularity much.
Niklas
--
Okay... so your machines are pipes... Does that mean you label the
tapes/floppies/cdroms in it things like "hash", "maryjane" and
"terbacca"?
-- Thorfinn
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-09-04 18:41 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <j0f5lf9unrcuquism7cthfvj8uhclf1v8d@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213717 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: > >> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >> >>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >> >> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >> this is pointed out to you. >> >>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >> >> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >> ported their own xlf compiler. >> >> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). > >Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it is pointless. >I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >with Fortran is now often done with C. It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL programmers. >At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >of using a simple programming language. At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible. >Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >that I chose programming/design for my career. I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-09-04 21:00 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <riunvd$86c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213720 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >> >>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>> >>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>> >>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>> this is pointed out to you. >>> >>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>> >>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>> >>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >> >>Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. > > Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM > to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it > is pointless. Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging gfortan vs anything else. >>I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>with Fortran is now often done with C. > > It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code > in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because > Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL > programmers. COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but I suppose other languages could be more fun. >>At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >>the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >>would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >>of using a simple programming language. > > At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to > choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both > primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was > APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that > Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible. I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. >>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>that I chose programming/design for my career. > > I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially > once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing > that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a > professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. I figured the same as you about a career. For sure I didn't want to be a teacher or professor and I thought I was smart but not smart enough to do anything new in mathematics. I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 18:09 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <1119445599.620960800.767780.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #213726 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: > J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>> >>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>> >>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>> >>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>> >>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>> >>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>> >>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>> >>> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >> >> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >> is pointless. > > Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I > found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. > I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging > gfortan vs anything else. > >>> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>> with Fortran is now often done with C. >> >> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >> programmers. > > COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. > If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. > Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but > I suppose other languages could be more fun. Or employers only want to hire programmers with ten years of experience with zOS COBOL, CICS DB2, etc. Probably a little of each thing going on. > > I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. > Indeed. I miss those days, we thought of ourselves as special, and were treated that way. Plus, we felt like we were doing a good thing for society, or at least our employers. -- Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 21:41 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <6rq5lf9gr934evhtqq0cohuvbo07098217@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213727 |
On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 18:09:55 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>>> >>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>>> >>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>>> >>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>>> >>>> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >>> >>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >>> is pointless. >> >> Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I >> found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. >> I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging >> gfortan vs anything else. >> >>>> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>>> with Fortran is now often done with C. >>> >>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >>> programmers. >> >> COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >> If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >> Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >> I suppose other languages could be more fun. > >Or employers only want to hire programmers with ten years of experience >with zOS COBOL, CICS DB2, etc. Probably a little of each thing going on. > >> >> I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. >> > >Indeed. I miss those days, we thought of ourselves as special, and were >treated that way. Plus, we felt like we were doing a good thing for >society, or at least our employers. The problem now is that the employers are caught in a trap of history. They were early adopters and got locked into what amounted to an experimental ecosystem. The industry moved on, but didn't give them a clear path into that new world. I suspect IBM could have helped but they liked having a captive audience.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 22:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rius2q$9ug$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213727 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>>> >>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>>> >>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>>> >>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>>> >>>> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >>> >>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >>> is pointless. >> >> Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I >> found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. >> I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging >> gfortan vs anything else. >> >>>> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>>> with Fortran is now often done with C. >>> >>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >>> programmers. >> >> COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >> If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >> Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >> I suppose other languages could be more fun. > > Or employers only want to hire programmers with ten years of experience > with zOS COBOL, CICS DB2, etc. Probably a little of each thing going on. Well, the CICS and DB2 make a little sense. If someone knows Oracle, MySQL they should be fine with writing DB2 queries but DB2 is surrounded by a load of special rules and tools. CICS I don't know well, but I know enough to know that experience helps a lot. -- Dan Espen
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 12:04 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <300a958e-f884-49d4-9cf8-d79b5e42b343o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #213727 |
On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 9:09:58 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote: > > I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. > > > > Indeed. I miss those days, we thought of ourselves as special, and were > treated that way. Plus, we felt like we were doing a good thing for > society, or at least our employers. Yes, there was some degree of satisfaction in the early years. Back then we felt we were actually helping people by expediting transactions and reducing clerical drudgery. I remember when we automated a manual card index tracking system the clerks were very grateful as the computer made their job easier and more productive (no one was laid off). I remember when our reports found bottlenecks that people were happy to identify and fix. Maybe I'm cynical in my old age, but it seemed COOPERATION was the name of the game in the old days. Today it sure seems to be CONTENTION.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2020-09-08 23:35 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <20200908233555.85df0138f3225f45f988a4b3@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #213959 |
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:04:31 -0700 (PDT) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > Maybe I'm cynical in my old age, but it seemed COOPERATION > was the name of the game in the old days. Today it sure > seems to be CONTENTION. Maybe I've been lucky but it's always been about cooperation everywhere I've worked. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2020-09-09 13:17 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <9847aab0-0497-42dc-8e37-84e2b7c48440o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #213988 |
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 7:00:05 PM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:04:31 -0700 (PDT) > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > > > Maybe I'm cynical in my old age, but it seemed COOPERATION > > was the name of the game in the old days. Today it sure > > seems to be CONTENTION. > > Maybe I've been lucky but it's always been about cooperation > everywhere I've worked. Some managers believed in deliberate contention to motivate workers. Watson Jr said so in his memoir. Unfortunately, many places went for contention. A shame. Then another generation of managers is brought up in that approach and they apply it. IMHO, cooperation works better.
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 21:34 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <ofp5lfla2kjvqi4plcu3d7ou9htp981s4n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213726 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>> >>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>> >>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>> >>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>> >>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>> >>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>> >>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>> >>>Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >> >> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >> is pointless. > >Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I >found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. >I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging >gfortan vs anything else. > >>>I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>>with Fortran is now often done with C. >> >> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >> programmers. > >COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >I suppose other languages could be more fun. My experience is that COBOL is like APL--it requires different thought patterns from a FORTRAN-like language. >>>At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >>>the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >>>would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >>>of using a simple programming language. >> >> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to >> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both >> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was >> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that >> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible. > >I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. >I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost on the 3270s. And that special character set is one of the best things about it. For openers logical equivalence and assignment are explicitly separated--there is no way in APL to accidentally make an assignment when you are attempting a comparison. You can do a tremendous amount of calculation in a few keystrokes. I think that Iverson gave up on the special character set at exactly the wrong time--he abandoned it right when the display of nonstandard characters was becoming trivial. >>>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>>that I chose programming/design for my career. >> >> I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially >> once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing >> that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a >> professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. > >I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. >Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. I struggled with it the first two semesters--part of it was that it was a 3-hour night class so I was pretty loggy by the end of it and part of it was that we were taught proofs proofs proofs and then the test was calculations calculations calculations. Third semester I had an honest to God US Marine Corps Brigadier General for a prof, and he made things very clear. I wish I'd had him for the whole course. >I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great >invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half >of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. >Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. > >I figured the same as you about a career. For sure I didn't want >to be a teacher or professor and I thought I was smart but not smart >enough to do anything new in mathematics. > >I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. I just wish that somebody had told me something positive about "actuary"--I'm not one but I work with them and despite grumbling about MVS and the IT department, this is a really, really good job. I just wish that I had started soon enough to pass the exams--my memory is shot these days--I find I have to keep revisiting the same stuff over and over and it never internalizes.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 22:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <riutkd$nel$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213728 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>>> >>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>>> >>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>>> >>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>>> >>>>Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >>> >>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >>> is pointless. >> >>Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I >>found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. >>I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging >>gfortan vs anything else. >> >>>>I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>>>with Fortran is now often done with C. >>> >>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >>> programmers. >> >>COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >>If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >>Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >>I suppose other languages could be more fun. > > My experience is that COBOL is like APL--it requires different thought > patterns from a FORTRAN-like language. > >>>>At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >>>>the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >>>>would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >>>>of using a simple programming language. >>> >>> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to >>> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both >>> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was >>> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that >>> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible. >> >>I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. >>I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. > > The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not > now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special > character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC > there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost > on the 3270s. I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys. Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys. Is that something you dispense with now? How does a programmer know which key or keys to hit to get the symbol he wants? > And that special character set is one of the best things about it. For > openers logical equivalence and assignment are explicitly > separated--there is no way in APL to accidentally make an assignment > when you are attempting a comparison. You can do a tremendous amount > of calculation in a few keystrokes. Yeah, I get that a load of special symbols are going to make the code compact. But if I decided to make my COBOL program compact by using 1 and 2 character variable names, I'd be looking for a job. > I think that Iverson gave up on the special character set at exactly > the wrong time--he abandoned it right when the display of nonstandard > characters was becoming trivial. > >>>>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>>>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>>>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>>>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>>>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>>>that I chose programming/design for my career. >>> >>> I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially >>> once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing >>> that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a >>> professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. >> >>I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. >>Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. > > I struggled with it the first two semesters--part of it was that it > was a 3-hour night class so I was pretty loggy by the end of it and > part of it was that we were taught proofs proofs proofs and then the > test was calculations calculations calculations. Third semester I had > an honest to God US Marine Corps Brigadier General for a prof, and he > made things very clear. I wish I'd had him for the whole course. > >>I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great >>invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half >>of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. >>Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. >> >>I figured the same as you about a career. For sure I didn't want >>to be a teacher or professor and I thought I was smart but not smart >>enough to do anything new in mathematics. >> >>I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. > > I just wish that somebody had told me something positive about > "actuary"--I'm not one but I work with them and despite grumbling > about MVS and the IT department, this is a really, really good job. I > just wish that I had started soon enough to pass the exams--my memory > is shot these days--I find I have to keep revisiting the same stuff > over and over and it never internalizes. I think there's a Monty Python skit about actuaries. Mope chartered accountants. Actuary would be statistics. Nope, not for me but it takes all kinds. -- Dan Espen
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-04 23:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <gqu5lflfdc9k1jdu70bvc0o930ka2qou5r@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213732 |
On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 22:37:00 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading >>>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when >>>>>> this is pointed out to you. >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM >>>>>> ported their own xlf compiler. >>>>>> >>>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for >>>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions >>>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its >>>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended). >>>>> >>>>>Oops, I think you're going to set him off again. >>>> >>>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM >>>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it >>>> is pointless. >>> >>>Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I >>>found his insights into the gcc development process interesting. >>>I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging >>>gfortan vs anything else. >>> >>>>>I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done >>>>>with Fortran is now often done with C. >>>> >>>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code >>>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because >>>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL >>>> programmers. >>> >>>COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept. >>>If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL. >>>Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but >>>I suppose other languages could be more fun. >> >> My experience is that COBOL is like APL--it requires different thought >> patterns from a FORTRAN-like language. >> >>>>>At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics >>>>>the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician >>>>>would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable >>>>>of using a simple programming language. >>>> >>>> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to >>>> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both >>>> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was >>>> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that >>>> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible. >>> >>>I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary. >>>I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard. >> >> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not >> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special >> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC >> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost >> on the 3270s. > >I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys. >Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys. >Is that something you dispense with now? > >How does a programmer know which key or keys to hit to get the symbol >he wants? There are various schemes with stickers and whatnot, but what everybody I work with actually does is stick a photocopy of the keyboard layout from the manual on the wall in their cubicle and after a while you reach a point where you never look at it. >> And that special character set is one of the best things about it. For >> openers logical equivalence and assignment are explicitly >> separated--there is no way in APL to accidentally make an assignment >> when you are attempting a comparison. You can do a tremendous amount >> of calculation in a few keystrokes. > >Yeah, I get that a load of special symbols are going to make the code >compact. But if I decided to make my COBOL program compact by using >1 and 2 character variable names, I'd be looking for a job. It's a little bit different situation though. For the most part you can't use an APL operator in a variable name and the meanings of the operators are well documented. Further, they tend to suggest their use. Trigs are all a circle for example. Rank of an array is a lower case rho. Using one character variable names in APL is as bad as in any other language. >> I think that Iverson gave up on the special character set at exactly >> the wrong time--he abandoned it right when the display of nonstandard >> characters was becoming trivial. >> >>>>>Back in my high school days I thought I wanted to be >>>>>a mathematician. I found algebra, geometry, and calculus >>>>>so interesting. Then I got a little exposure to statistics. Boring. >>>>>On my first job I got to know the mathematician working >>>>>at our finance company. At that point I became very happy >>>>>that I chose programming/design for my career. >>>> >>>> I went as far as completing a math degree--math is fun, especially >>>> once you get into the Senior and Graduate level courses--but doing >>>> that kind of math is only going to put food on the table if you're a >>>> professor and "math professor" is not something I ever aspired to be. >>> >>>I took one semester of Calculus. I remember I got a 100 on the final. >>>Seemed simple enough to me, but the rest of the class didn't do so well. >> >> I struggled with it the first two semesters--part of it was that it >> was a 3-hour night class so I was pretty loggy by the end of it and >> part of it was that we were taught proofs proofs proofs and then the >> test was calculations calculations calculations. Third semester I had >> an honest to God US Marine Corps Brigadier General for a prof, and he >> made things very clear. I wish I'd had him for the whole course. >> >>>I had to start real life, but I wondered, this calculus was a great >>>invention, is there more that I'm missing? So the second half >>>of our text was integrals and derivatives. Read that, understood it. >>>Decided I knew enough. As I said, statistics wasn't interesting to me. >>> >>>I figured the same as you about a career. For sure I didn't want >>>to be a teacher or professor and I thought I was smart but not smart >>>enough to do anything new in mathematics. >>> >>>I was very lucky to live through the heyday of computer programming. >> >> I just wish that somebody had told me something positive about >> "actuary"--I'm not one but I work with them and despite grumbling >> about MVS and the IT department, this is a really, really good job. I >> just wish that I had started soon enough to pass the exams--my memory >> is shot these days--I find I have to keep revisiting the same stuff >> over and over and it never internalizes. > >I think there's a Monty Python skit about actuaries. >Mope chartered accountants. > >Actuary would be statistics. >Nope, not for me but it takes all kinds. While stats is a part of it, there's also accounting, economics, management theory. All kinds of stuff. Most actuaries don't do too much with statistics.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 19:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rj0ncp$2va2$3@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #213732 |
In article <riutkd$nel$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not >> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special >> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC >> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost >> on the 3270s. > >I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys. >Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys. >Is that something you dispense with now? Depends whether you look at the keys when you type. >How does a programmer know which key or keys to hit to get the symbol >he wants? Generally by looking at a cheat sheet somewhere nearby. It's the same way I know how to type é and ü on my US keyboard. >> I think that Iverson gave up on the special character set at exactly >> the wrong time--he abandoned it right when the display of nonstandard >> characters was becoming trivial. Back in the 1970s, Ken Thompson implemented a large subset of APL as a weekend Unix hack. Somehow I got a copy of it at Yale, where we had early bitmap screen terminals attached to our PDP-11. I added a set of APL characters to the terminal emulator, taking advantage of the fact that doing overstrikes with bitmaps is really easy (an OR instruction does the trick.) Then I added a few things to his APL to make it more usable, most importantly >save and )load and put it on an early Usenix tape. We did not have special keycaps but it was usable enough. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 16:23 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rj0s4e$h9j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213781 |
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > In article <riutkd$nel$1@dont-email.me>, > Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not >>> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special >>> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC >>> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost >>> on the 3270s. >> >>I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys. >>Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys. >>Is that something you dispense with now? > > Depends whether you look at the keys when you type. Well, see your next sentence! >>How does a programmer know which key or keys to hit to get the symbol >>he wants? > > Generally by looking at a cheat sheet somewhere nearby. It's the same > way I know how to type é and ü on my US keyboard. So you're looking at a cheat sheet near the keyboard instead of the keyboard. Same difference pretty much. I got used to having Copy/Front/Open on my keyboard back when I used Sun workstations. So, now I'm using the 6 key pad right above the 4 key arrow pad for those keys. I wish I could find keys labeled like that. Before anyone looks I have a keyboard with keys lit by LEDs. The symbols aren't printed on the keys. So, anyway, I cut a rectangular frame out of oaktag type paper which surrounds the 6 key pad. Not the best solution but when my mind goes on vacation I can look down and find the key. Right now: INS = Front HOME=Open PGUp=Again PgDn = Copy Some of those are Emacs bindings, some are WM bindings. >>> I think that Iverson gave up on the special character set at exactly >>> the wrong time--he abandoned it right when the display of nonstandard >>> characters was becoming trivial. > > Back in the 1970s, Ken Thompson implemented a large subset of APL as a > weekend Unix hack. Somehow I got a copy of it at Yale, where we had > early bitmap screen terminals attached to our PDP-11. I added a set of > APL characters to the terminal emulator, taking advantage of the fact > that doing overstrikes with bitmaps is really easy (an OR instruction > does the trick.) Then I added a few things to his APL to make it more > usable, most importantly >save and )load and put it on an early Usenix > tape. We did not have special keycaps but it was usable enough. -- Dan Espen
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 16:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <9dt7lflueqkb2v45bsjolsdupbl1ls4m8c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213791 |
On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 16:23:42 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > >> In article <riutkd$nel$1@dont-email.me>, >> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not >>>> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special >>>> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC >>>> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost >>>> on the 3270s. >>> >>>I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys. >>>Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys. >>>Is that something you dispense with now? >> >> Depends whether you look at the keys when you type. > >Well, see your next sentence! > >>>How does a programmer know which key or keys to hit to get the symbol >>>he wants? >> >> Generally by looking at a cheat sheet somewhere nearby. It's the same >> way I know how to type é and ü on my US keyboard. > >So you're looking at a cheat sheet near the keyboard instead of the >keyboard. Same difference pretty much. > >I got used to having Copy/Front/Open on my keyboard back when I used >Sun workstations. So, now I'm using the 6 key pad right above the >4 key arrow pad for those keys. > >I wish I could find keys labeled like that. Before anyone looks >I have a keyboard with keys lit by LEDs. The symbols aren't printed >on the keys. > >So, anyway, I cut a rectangular frame out of oaktag type paper which >surrounds the 6 key pad. Not the best solution but when my mind >goes on vacation I can look down and find the key. > >Right now: > >INS = Front HOME=Open PGUp=Again >PgDn = Copy > >Some of those are Emacs bindings, some are WM bindings. IF you have a keyboard with Cherry MX keys you can get custom keycaps for it (I mean _really_ custom--they'll do whatever artwork you provide as long as it will fit on the key). <https://www.maxkeyboard.com/custom-backlight-compatible-keycap-for-backlit-keyboard.html> It's possible to 3d-print keycaps for other models but you're kind of on your own as to finding the masters. >>>> I think that Iverson gave up on the special character set at exactly >>>> the wrong time--he abandoned it right when the display of nonstandard >>>> characters was becoming trivial. >> >> Back in the 1970s, Ken Thompson implemented a large subset of APL as a >> weekend Unix hack. Somehow I got a copy of it at Yale, where we had >> early bitmap screen terminals attached to our PDP-11. I added a set of >> APL characters to the terminal emulator, taking advantage of the fact >> that doing overstrikes with bitmaps is really easy (an OR instruction >> does the trick.) Then I added a few things to his APL to make it more >> usable, most importantly >save and )load and put it on an early Usenix >> tape. We did not have special keycaps but it was usable enough.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 16:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rj0u4b$h9j$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #213795 |
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > IF you have a keyboard with Cherry MX keys you can get custom keycaps > for it (I mean _really_ custom--they'll do whatever artwork you > provide as long as it will fit on the key). > <https://www.maxkeyboard.com/custom-backlight-compatible-keycap-for-backlit-keyboard.html> Yep, current keyboard is Cherry. I would have never guessed I could order custom keys for it. Thanks! > It's possible to 3d-print keycaps for other models but you're kind of > on your own as to finding the masters. I know someone with a 3d printer too. I think I'm going to find my new keyboard first. The last one I was looking at was using a new key design instead of Cherry because they wanted to get the LED light right up near the key surface. -- Dan Espen
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 17:09 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: fun with APL, was IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <rbv7lf9d1pcjmufju0mn7qan8sjki7gqj5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213798 |
On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 16:57:47 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes: > >> IF you have a keyboard with Cherry MX keys you can get custom keycaps >> for it (I mean _really_ custom--they'll do whatever artwork you >> provide as long as it will fit on the key). >> <https://www.maxkeyboard.com/custom-backlight-compatible-keycap-for-backlit-keyboard.html> > >Yep, current keyboard is Cherry. >I would have never guessed I could order custom keys for it. > >Thanks! Thank the gamer world. Computer games aren't just kids having fun in their mother's basement anymore. When there are millions of dollars on the line people will pay for whatever they think they need to win. >> It's possible to 3d-print keycaps for other models but you're kind of >> on your own as to finding the masters. > >I know someone with a 3d printer too. > >I think I'm going to find my new keyboard first. > >The last one I was looking at was using a new key >design instead of Cherry because they wanted to get >the LED light right up near the key surface.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-09-05 17:38 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <245128267.621044379.872348.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #213732 |
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading
>>>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when
>>>>>> this is pointed out to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM
>>>>>> ported their own xlf compiler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for
>>>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions
>>>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its
>>>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended).
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM
>>>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it
>>>> is pointless.
>>>
>>> Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I
>>> found his insights into the gcc development process interesting.
>>> I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging
>>> gfortan vs anything else.
>>>
>>>>> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done
>>>>> with Fortran is now often done with C.
>>>>
>>>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code
>>>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because
>>>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL
>>>> programmers.
>>>
>>> COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept.
>>> If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL.
>>> Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but
>>> I suppose other languages could be more fun.
>>
>> My experience is that COBOL is like APL--it requires different thought
>> patterns from a FORTRAN-like language.
>>
>>>>> At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics
>>>>> the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician
>>>>> would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable
>>>>> of using a simple programming language.
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to
>>>> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both
>>>> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was
>>>> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that
>>>> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible.
>>>
>>> I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary.
>>> I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard.
>>
>> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not
>> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special
>> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC
>> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost
>> on the 3270s.
>
> I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys.
> Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys.
> Is that something you dispense with now?
I used APL keycaps on my 3290 - pop out the old ones and press on the new.
I never used it for APL but it had some special characters I wanted: }{ and
maybe ][.
--
Pete
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-09-05 22:05 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: IBM system/360, whiz or dog? |
| Message-ID | <b2d8lf948ukaugsas2e7um17r57t2b4m7u@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #213816 |
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:38:40 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:00:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Sep 2020 16:53:20 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I get upset by any arsewipe who wastes my time with a lot of bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a little unfair to blame your apparent lack of reading
>>>>>>> comprehension on other people, and then start insulting them when
>>>>>>> this is pointed out to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to port gfortran to MVS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't, particularly. I think it would be much better if IBM
>>>>>>> ported their own xlf compiler.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The stanard that VS Fortran is based on has been superseded for
>>>>>>> almost 30 years, and there have been five succeeding revisions
>>>>>>> of Fortran since. I think it is fair to that what IBM offers its
>>>>>>> customers for Fortran on MVS sub-standard (pun intended).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oops, I think you're going to set him off again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, just killfiled him as a waste of time. If he wants to lobby IBM
>>>>> to change something he's welcome to do so, but haranguing me about it
>>>>> is pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I didn't read him as him trying to tell you to do anything and I
>>>> found his insights into the gcc development process interesting.
>>>> I don't know much about Fortran so I had no basis for judging
>>>> gfortan vs anything else.
>>>>
>>>>>> I recall reading somewhere that stuff that used to be done
>>>>>> with Fortran is now often done with C.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is and we are slowly, a piece at a time, rewriting our Fortran code
>>>>> in C, not because there is anything wrong with the Fortran but because
>>>>> Fortran programmers are getting almost as hard to find as COBOL
>>>>> programmers.
>>>>
>>>> COBOL programmers. Always found that an interesting concept.
>>>> If you can program in any language you should be able to do COBOL.
>>>> Probably people just don't want to do COBOL. I never minded but
>>>> I suppose other languages could be more fun.
>>>
>>> My experience is that COBOL is like APL--it requires different thought
>>> patterns from a FORTRAN-like language.
>>>
>>>>>> At first that seems counter-intuitive. Fortran mimics
>>>>>> the language of mathematics so should be something a mathematician
>>>>>> would want to use. But I suppose mathematicians are fully capable
>>>>>> of using a simple programming language.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of being accused of being "set off", I don't much to
>>>>> choose between them from a notational viewpoint. I find them both
>>>>> primitive and klunky in about equal measure. My first language was
>>>>> APL, if you know APL you'll understand why I find the claim that
>>>>> Fortran "micks the language of mathematics" to be risible.
>>>>
>>>> I never messed with APL but all those funny symbols were scary.
>>>> I guess modern APL has a way around having a special keyboard.
>>>
>>> The notion that APL needs a special keyboard is a myth. It does not
>>> now and never did. What it needs is a way to display the special
>>> character set. On the 2741 you changed the type ball. On the PC
>>> there was a ROM. I don't know if the APL character set was extra cost
>>> on the 3270s.
>>
>> I remember seeing 3270s with APL symbols all over the keys.
>> Wikipedia says that on the 2741 you placed keycaps over the normal keys.
>> Is that something you dispense with now?
>
>I used APL keycaps on my 3290 - pop out the old ones and press on the new.
>I never used it for APL but it had some special characters I wanted: }{ and
>maybe ][.
[] is the one that anybody working in C needs that isn't there in the
default character set. An annoyance is that EBCDIC doesn't have a
single assignment for those. If everybody's working with the same
terminal setup it's not an issue but if you have two different
terminal emulation vendors one show garbage characters where the other
shows the square brackets.
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