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Is the Eternal September over

Started byJason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com>
First post2020-08-08 13:34 +0000
Last post2020-08-11 23:20 +0000
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  Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 +0000
    Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 12:16 -0400
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 16:23 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 -0400
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:41 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 16:21 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:38 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-17 12:47 -0700
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-08-08 16:14 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:06 +0200
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:46 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> - 2020-08-08 18:53 -0500
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 20:43 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 08:03 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 08:25 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 14:32 +0100
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:15 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 14:01 +0000
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 10:40 -0400
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-09 14:57 +0000
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:48 -0400
                Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 11:09 -0400
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 15:15 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-09 16:32 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 17:46 +0100
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:54 -0400
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 19:58 +0100
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 13:18 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:09 +0200
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:34 -0400
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-10 16:01 +0200
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 15:00 -0400
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:25 +0100
                            Re: EU, was Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 12:33 -0700
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-09 17:41 +0100
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:50 -0400
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 19:52 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 21:56 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
                      UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> - 2020-08-10 14:48 -0500
                        Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 13:05 -0700
                          Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 18:19 -0400
                        Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:38 +0100
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:16 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-13 09:57 +0200
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 08:01 -0400
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 14:33 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 10:46 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 10:40 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 11:49 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:24 +0100
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:05 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:04 +0000
                            Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-13 22:57 +0000
                              Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-14 02:48 +0000
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-16 11:45 +0200
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 07:37 -0400
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-16 16:00 +0000
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-23 12:25 +0200
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:16 +0100
                              Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 21:11 -0400
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-14 17:06 -0500
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 22:45 +0000
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:29 -0300
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-15 17:44 +0000
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2020-08-15 22:52 -0400
                                        Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-16 03:40 +0000
                                        Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 23:51 -0400
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over greymaus@smaus.org - 2020-08-15 07:44 +0000
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:04 -0400
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:18 -0300
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 21:15 -0400
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 17:08 -0300
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-15 07:56 +0100
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-15 10:25 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:02 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 18:50 +0100
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-13 14:59 -0700
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:01 -0500
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:55 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:46 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-16 19:22 -0500
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 13:27 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 17:58 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:06 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 22:41 +0100
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-13 21:45 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:37 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2020-08-13 20:54 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 04:03 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:14 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 11:57 +0100
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:19 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 16:12 +0100
                                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700
                                    Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:07 +0000
                                      Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 11:22 -0500
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:03 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 18:45 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:42 -0300
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 13:42 -0700
                                  Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:10 +0000
                                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:21 +0100
                                      Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 09:46 +0100
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 11:14 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 11:33 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
                                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:37 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:36 +0000
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:34 +0000
                                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:42 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:17 -0700
                                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-08-18 19:41 +0100
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 04:19 -0500
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:31 -0700
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:45 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:43 -0400
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:49 -0300
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:50 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:31 -0300
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2020-08-14 01:40 +0000
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-09-08 16:37 +0200
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:42 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:42 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 11:56 -0400
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 19:23 +0000
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:47 -0400
                                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-10-04 21:38 +0200
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:28 -0400
          Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:33 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 17:16 +0100
            Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:40 +0100
              Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:22 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-08-31 23:17 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 01:19 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 04:40 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 20:21 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-01 01:55 -0300
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-01 09:36 +0300
    Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:30 +0000
    Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 17:47 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 11:26 -0700
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 18:37 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:46 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-11 19:58 +0000
              Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 18:44 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 16:20 -0400
              Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-12 19:23 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 17:37 -0400
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 18:12 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 19:08 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:15 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:44 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:08 -0500
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:42 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:25 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:57 -0400
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 21:01 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 16:54 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 21:34 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 19:56 +0100
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 19:13 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 19:17 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:01 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-11 18:39 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 20:28 +0100
          Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:12 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:06 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:35 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 17:29 -0700
          Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 20:30 -0400
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:44 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:50 -0400
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 06:50 -0400
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-12 18:02 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:50 +0100
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 15:56 +0100
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-12 15:26 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 17:47 +0100
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 09:41 +0100
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 02:29 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over lawrence <lawrenabe@abaluon.com> - 2020-08-12 14:59 -0500
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#212662

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-08-11 19:56 +0100
Message-ID<20200811195614.3972f305142a1b8f3472d4b2@eircom.net>
In reply to#212659
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:26:44 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Let’s not even talk about (ugh) videos.

	In today's video we're going to talk about how to do $Y with $X
<I know that's why I selected it> $X is an amazing thing one of the best of
it's kind for several <and on and on and on and on ... with pictures and
sound effects - will you STFU and get to the point>. However it suffers
from $Y which results in <and on and on and on and on ... with animations
and sound effects ... please will you STFU and get to the point>. To fix it
you simply do this <2 seconds of blurred video with the most difficult bits
that you're stuck on already done ... OH FFS! I waited for *this*>. Thank
you for watching you can find more of my amazingly useless done>videos at
https://... <not on your nelly>.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#212665

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-08-11 19:13 +0000
Message-ID<hpg8uhFbu3oU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#212662
On 2020-08-11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> 	In today's video we're going to talk about how to do $Y with $X
><I know that's why I selected it> $X is an amazing thing one of the best of
> it's kind for several <and on and on and on and on ... with pictures and
> sound effects - will you STFU and get to the point>. However it suffers
> from $Y which results in <and on and on and on and on ... with animations
> and sound effects ... please will you STFU and get to the point>. To fix it
> you simply do this <2 seconds of blurred video with the most difficult bits
> that you're stuck on already done ... OH FFS! I waited for *this*>. Thank
> you for watching you can find more of my amazingly useless done>videos at
> https://... <not on your nelly>.

Sing it, brother!

Niklas
-- 
 "Having major planets disappear is always a bad sign."  - Jim Blinn

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#212677

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
Message-ID<rgv7hp02p6q@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#212662
On 2020-08-11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:26:44 -0700
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Let’s not even talk about (ugh) videos.
>
> 	In today's video we're going to talk about how to do $Y with $X
> <I know that's why I selected it> $X is an amazing thing one of the best of
> it's kind for several <and on and on and on and on ... with pictures and
> sound effects - will you STFU and get to the point>. However it suffers
> from $Y which results in <and on and on and on and on ... with animations
> and sound effects ... please will you STFU and get to the point>. To fix it
> you simply do this <2 seconds of blurred video with the most difficult bits
> that you're stuck on already done ... OH FFS! I waited for *this*>. Thank
> you for watching you can find more of my amazingly useless done>videos at
> https://... <not on your nelly>.

Hear, hear.  That's why I automatically skip over any YouTube references
when I'm trying to find out how to do $Y with $X.  A concise textual
description is _so_ much faster than being forced to sit through a
long-winded pseudo-explanation (plus YouTube's ads at the beginning,
and increasingly in the middle as well).

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#212678

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-11 19:17 -0400
Message-ID<fg96jfdv6av5672mie1hb28a0dpnk36q1m@4ax.com>
In reply to#212677
On 11 Aug 2020 22:53:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2020-08-11, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:26:44 -0700
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Let’s not even talk about (ugh) videos.
>>
>> 	In today's video we're going to talk about how to do $Y with $X
>> <I know that's why I selected it> $X is an amazing thing one of the best of
>> it's kind for several <and on and on and on and on ... with pictures and
>> sound effects - will you STFU and get to the point>. However it suffers
>> from $Y which results in <and on and on and on and on ... with animations
>> and sound effects ... please will you STFU and get to the point>. To fix it
>> you simply do this <2 seconds of blurred video with the most difficult bits
>> that you're stuck on already done ... OH FFS! I waited for *this*>. Thank
>> you for watching you can find more of my amazingly useless done>videos at
>> https://... <not on your nelly>.
>
>Hear, hear.  That's why I automatically skip over any YouTube references
>when I'm trying to find out how to do $Y with $X.  A concise textual
>description is _so_ much faster than being forced to sit through a
>long-winded pseudo-explanation (plus YouTube's ads at the beginning,
>and increasingly in the middle as well).

Yep.  I remember a youtube video which took half an hour explaining
how to get a stuck brake rotor off a Jeep.  The magic method?  Hit it
_hard_ with a Big Friendly Hammer.

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#212686

From"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1>
Date2020-08-12 07:01 +0000
Message-ID<XnsAC1751B18105admin127001@144.76.35.198>
In reply to#212659
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:26:44 GMT, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> 
wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>>> start using Usenet? 
>> 
>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
>> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
>> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
>> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
> 
> That’s one of the things I most like about it. If I want pictures I 
can
> always go get them. Let’s not even talk about (ugh) videos.
> 
Or ASCII v UTF!


-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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#212661

FromJason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com>
Date2020-08-11 18:39 +0000
Message-ID<rguolj$7n1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212658
On 11 Aug 2020 17:47:05 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would even
> care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The fact that
> Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away. "You mean,
> like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"

That depends on what you mean by "young people". Do you mean the people 
who make Tiktok videos and buy Apple products because they are fashion 
accessories or do you mean the young STEM enthusiasts who actually care 
about technology. *No, they are not the same*.

For the former, no Usenet is not for them.

For the latter, it could be. The attraction to a form of communication 
that isn't tied to a single corporation could be quite interesting. When 
I write about introducing people to Usenet, this is the group that I am 
talking about.

I also have no desire to tell people how to pirate crap from 
alt.binaries.* That's where most of the users are because they have no 
idea that Usenet is anything but that.

JE

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#212666

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-08-11 20:28 +0100
Message-ID<20200811202816.5350482454c09e739f100b9c@eircom.net>
In reply to#212661
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:39:47 -0000 (UTC)
Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:

> For the latter, it could be. The attraction to a form of communication 
> that isn't tied to a single corporation could be quite interesting. When 
> I write about introducing people to Usenet, this is the group that I am 
> talking about.

	Pretty much the group that populated USENET when it was new, shiny
and seriously limited in bandwidth.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#212687

From"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1>
Date2020-08-12 07:12 +0000
Message-ID<XnsAC17538B44141admin127001@144.76.35.198>
In reply to#212666
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:28:16 GMT, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote: 

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:39:47 -0000 (UTC)
> Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
> 
>> For the latter, it could be. The attraction to a form of
>> communication that isn't tied to a single corporation could be quite
>> interesting. When I write about introducing people to Usenet, this is
>> the group that I am talking about.
> 
>      Pretty much the group that populated USENET when it was new,
>      shiny 
> and seriously limited in bandwidth.
> 
Usenet needs marketing to the twitterati, being text only.  Oh noes, what 
have I done! It's Eternal September all over again! 
</Greg Mitchell>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7-D4T-xlkA

-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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#212676

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
Message-ID<rgv7hp12p6q@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#212661
On 2020-08-11, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:

> On 11 Aug 2020 17:47:05 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would even
>> care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The fact that
>> Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away. "You mean,
>> like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>
> That depends on what you mean by "young people". Do you mean the people 
> who make Tiktok videos and buy Apple products because they are fashion 
> accessories or do you mean the young STEM enthusiasts who actually care 
> about technology. *No, they are not the same*.
>
> For the former, no Usenet is not for them.

Indeed, they're the ones I'm referring to.  Unfortunately, they seem to be
an overwhelming majority.  Fortunately, they're repelled by Usenet because
it's not shiny.

> For the latter, it could be. The attraction to a form of communication 
> that isn't tied to a single corporation could be quite interesting. When 
> I write about introducing people to Usenet, this is the group that I am 
> talking about.

That's a group worth pursuing, small as they may be.  And it's not just
the absence of our favourite monopolies that Usenet offers, but also the
potential for concise, well-written text messages.  I hate wading through
unnecessary cruft, and video just makes it a thousand times worse.
("A picture is worth...")

> I also have no desire to tell people how to pirate crap from 
> alt.binaries.* That's where most of the users are because they have no 
> idea that Usenet is anything but that.

Their ignorance is our bliss.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  Apple is a cult.
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  Linux is anarchy.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  Pick your poison.

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#212664

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-11 15:06 -0400
Message-ID<rguq76$iet$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212658
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>
>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>> start using Usenet? 
>
> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>
> With the exception of spammers and con artists - who will ignore all
> advice anyway - the few who find their way here will generally figure
> out netiquette themselves, especially if we provide pointers to things
> like RFC 1855 (once they figure out what an RFC is...).

Actually Usenet allows html and images.  By choice it's forbidden
in most groups.

Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212680

FromNomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
Date2020-08-11 23:35 +0000
Message-ID<rgva0s$20gu$8@neodome.net>
In reply to#212664
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:

> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.

That was not the real reason. Real reason was that binary Usenet was
getting too big and ISPs choices were to either increase the price or
remove service offering for good. When the State of New York opened an
investigation on child pornographers who used Usenet, many ISPs seen it
as opportunity to get rid of the service. 

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#213574

Fromusenet@only.tnx (Questor)
Date2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
Message-ID<5f4f43c1.6742545@news.dslextreme.com>
In reply to#212680
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:35:56 -0000 (UTC), Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
>> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.
>
>That was not the real reason. Real reason was that binary Usenet was
>getting too big and ISPs choices were to either increase the price or
>remove service offering for good. When the State of New York opened an
>investigation on child pornographers who used Usenet, many ISPs seen it
>as opportunity to get rid of the service. 

Yes.  In the mid-aughts, Eliot Spitzer, then New York Attorney General,
threatened litagation against the big Internet providers (Verizon, Comcast,
et. al.) over (alleged) child pornography in the binary groups.  Rather than
drop those groups or the binaries althogether, the companies used it as an
excuse to drop Usenet entirely.

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#212682

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-11 17:29 -0700
Message-ID<456373241.618884712.693037.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212664
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> 
>> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>>> start using Usenet? 
>> 
>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
>> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
>> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
>> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>> 
>> With the exception of spammers and con artists - who will ignore all
>> advice anyway - the few who find their way here will generally figure
>> out netiquette themselves, especially if we provide pointers to things
>> like RFC 1855 (once they figure out what an RFC is...).
> 
> Actually Usenet allows html and images.  By choice it's forbidden
> in most groups.
> 
> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.
> 

They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.

-- 
Pete

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#212683

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-11 20:30 -0400
Message-ID<41e6jfd6fdkaq5v8amh20ri2ke3ssdi4go@4ax.com>
In reply to#212682
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:29:01 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>>>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>>>> start using Usenet? 
>>> 
>>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
>>> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
>>> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
>>> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>>> 
>>> With the exception of spammers and con artists - who will ignore all
>>> advice anyway - the few who find their way here will generally figure
>>> out netiquette themselves, especially if we provide pointers to things
>>> like RFC 1855 (once they figure out what an RFC is...).
>> 
>> Actually Usenet allows html and images.  By choice it's forbidden
>> in most groups.
>> 
>> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
>> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.
>> 
>
>They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.

It costs time and money to convice a judge of that.

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#212684

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-11 21:44 -0400
Message-ID<rgvhhu$gjl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212682
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>>>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>>>> start using Usenet? 
>>> 
>>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
>>> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
>>> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
>>> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>>> 
>>> With the exception of spammers and con artists - who will ignore all
>>> advice anyway - the few who find their way here will generally figure
>>> out netiquette themselves, especially if we provide pointers to things
>>> like RFC 1855 (once they figure out what an RFC is...).
>> 
>> Actually Usenet allows html and images.  By choice it's forbidden
>> in most groups.
>> 
>> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
>> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.
>
> They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.

Well, I remember some AG promising to investigate and the next thing I
knew my ISP dropped Usenet.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212685

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-11 21:50 -0400
Message-ID<rii6jf5e6ouj4cs38m2tfa1jbtn2ev5e09@4ax.com>
In reply to#212684
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:44:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>>>>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>>>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>>>>> start using Usenet? 
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
>>>> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
>>>> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
>>>> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>>>> 
>>>> With the exception of spammers and con artists - who will ignore all
>>>> advice anyway - the few who find their way here will generally figure
>>>> out netiquette themselves, especially if we provide pointers to things
>>>> like RFC 1855 (once they figure out what an RFC is...).
>>> 
>>> Actually Usenet allows html and images.  By choice it's forbidden
>>> in most groups.
>>> 
>>> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
>>> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.
>>
>> They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.
>
>Well, I remember some AG promising to investigate and the next thing I
>knew my ISP dropped Usenet.

In the US you can sue anybody for anything.  That doesn't mean that
you'll win, but they still have to put up a defense.  If you're sueing
them over something that isn't making enough money for them to pay the
cost of defending it, they'll drop it just to avoid the hassle.

This is one of the things wrong with the US--the courts should be the
last resort, not the first one.

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#212689

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-12 06:50 -0400
Message-ID<rh0hhl$7ad$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212685
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:44:29 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020-08-08, Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If the Eternal September is over and we care about Usenet as a real
>>>>>> and living form of communication over the Internet, what are the most 
>>>>>> important things that we want newbies (and oldies) to know when they 
>>>>>> start using Usenet? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder whether the question is moot.  How many young people would
>>>>> even care about Usenet anymore, even if they knew it existed?  The
>>>>> fact that Usenet is text-only is enough to drive most of them away.
>>>>> "You mean, like, no pictures?  No videos?  Ewww... gross!"
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the exception of spammers and con artists - who will ignore all
>>>>> advice anyway - the few who find their way here will generally figure
>>>>> out netiquette themselves, especially if we provide pointers to things
>>>>> like RFC 1855 (once they figure out what an RFC is...).
>>>> 
>>>> Actually Usenet allows html and images.  By choice it's forbidden
>>>> in most groups.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, yeah, there was that problem of stolen media being posted to Usenet
>>>> that caused most ISPs to run away from Usenet.
>>>
>>> They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.
>>
>>Well, I remember some AG promising to investigate and the next thing I
>>knew my ISP dropped Usenet.
>
> In the US you can sue anybody for anything.  That doesn't mean that
> you'll win, but they still have to put up a defense.  If you're sueing
> them over something that isn't making enough money for them to pay the
> cost of defending it, they'll drop it just to avoid the hassle.
>
> This is one of the things wrong with the US--the courts should be the
> last resort, not the first one.

At the time I remember it was pretty damn easy to get a copy of a movie
just after it was released from the binary groups.

I don't know enough about the court system to have a strong opinion.
I've heard that in some states if you bring a frivolous suit you can
be liable for court costs.

Maybe court procedures could be simplified to some kind of arbitration
where lawyers would not be involved.  I guess someone would still have
to be paid for the court time.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212699

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2020-08-12 18:02 +0000
Message-ID<rh1aqo02vhd@news2.newsguy.com>
In reply to#212685
On 2020-08-12, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> In the US you can sue anybody for anything.  That doesn't mean that
> you'll win, but they still have to put up a defense.  If you're sueing
> them over something that isn't making enough money for them to pay the
> cost of defending it, they'll drop it just to avoid the hassle.

There's a variation of this known as SLAPP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

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#212692

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-12 14:50 +0100
Message-ID<rh0s3p$180$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212682
On 12/08/2020 01:29, Peter Flass wrote:
>
> They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.
>

Not sure that's the way of things today, with organisations
such as Facebook being brought to account because of user-posted
material.

But, yes, I agree, the postal services are not reponsible for
the contents of what they carry and that same principle should be
extended to ISPs.

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#212693

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-08-12 15:56 +0100
Message-ID<20200812155609.429d072682c84edcc22eb446@eircom.net>
In reply to#212692
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:50:46 +0100
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 12/08/2020 01:29, Peter Flass wrote:
> >
> > They’re not legally responsible for user-posted content.
> >
>
> But, yes, I agree, the postal services are not reponsible for
> the contents of what they carry and that same principle should be
> extended to ISPs.

	ISPs have always claimed 'common carrier' status and declined any
responsibility for the actions of their users, which in the days of
dial-up ISPs hosting small websites, mail lists and USENET for their users
was sensible. What is going on now is that this is being challenged by cases
being brought against the big social media companies. As I see it their
trouble is going to be that they are *already* filtering and blocking
people and imposing conditions on content after the content has already
been published.

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