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Is the Eternal September over

Started byJason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com>
First post2020-08-08 13:34 +0000
Last post2020-08-11 23:20 +0000
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  Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 +0000
    Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 12:16 -0400
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-08 16:23 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:34 -0400
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:41 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 16:21 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:38 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2020-08-17 12:47 -0700
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-08-08 16:14 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:06 +0200
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:46 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> - 2020-08-08 18:53 -0500
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 20:43 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 08:03 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 08:25 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 14:32 +0100
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:15 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 14:01 +0000
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 10:40 -0400
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-09 14:57 +0000
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:48 -0400
                Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 11:09 -0400
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 15:15 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-09 16:32 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 17:46 +0100
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:54 -0400
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2020-08-09 19:58 +0100
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 13:18 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-09 20:09 +0200
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:34 -0400
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-08-10 16:01 +0200
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 15:00 -0400
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:25 +0100
                            Re: EU, was Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 12:33 -0700
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-09 17:41 +0100
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 14:50 -0400
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 19:52 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-09 21:56 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
                      UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> - 2020-08-10 14:48 -0500
                        Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-10 13:05 -0700
                          Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-10 18:19 -0400
                        Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 21:38 +0100
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-08-10 01:16 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-13 09:57 +0200
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 08:01 -0400
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 14:33 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 10:46 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 10:40 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 11:49 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:24 +0100
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:05 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:04 +0000
                            Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-13 22:57 +0000
                              Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-14 02:48 +0000
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-16 11:45 +0200
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 07:37 -0400
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-16 16:00 +0000
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-23 12:25 +0200
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:16 +0100
                              Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 21:11 -0400
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-14 17:06 -0500
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 22:45 +0000
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:29 -0300
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-15 17:44 +0000
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2020-08-15 22:52 -0400
                                        Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-16 03:40 +0000
                                        Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-15 23:51 -0400
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over greymaus@smaus.org - 2020-08-15 07:44 +0000
                                Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 16:04 -0400
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 20:18 -0300
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 21:15 -0400
                                  Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 17:08 -0300
                                    Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-15 07:56 +0100
                                      Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-15 10:25 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-13 17:02 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 18:50 +0100
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-13 14:59 -0700
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:01 -0500
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:55 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 22:46 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-16 19:22 -0500
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 13:27 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 17:58 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:06 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-13 22:41 +0100
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-13 21:45 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:37 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2020-08-13 20:54 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 04:03 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:14 -0400
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-14 11:57 +0100
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:19 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 16:12 +0100
                                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 11:46 -0700
                                    Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:07 +0000
                                      Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-16 11:22 -0500
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:03 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-14 18:45 +0000
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:42 -0300
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 13:42 -0700
                                  Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-15 23:10 +0000
                                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 09:21 +0100
                                      Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 09:46 +0100
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 11:14 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 11:33 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
                                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:37 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:36 +0000
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:34 +0000
                                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-17 10:25 -0700
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-17 19:42 +0100
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:17 -0700
                                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-08-18 19:41 +0100
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2020-08-18 04:19 -0500
                                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-18 11:31 -0700
                                        Re: Is the Eternal September over maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-18 14:45 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:43 -0400
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:49 -0300
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:50 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-08-14 16:31 -0300
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2020-08-14 01:40 +0000
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-09-08 16:37 +0200
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-09-08 14:42 +0000
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-09-08 15:42 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 11:56 -0400
                              Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 19:23 +0000
                                Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-09-08 15:47 -0400
                                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2020-10-04 21:38 +0200
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-09-09 18:28 -0400
          Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:33 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-10 17:16 +0100
            Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:40 +0100
              Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-14 11:22 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-08-31 23:17 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 01:19 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-09-01 04:40 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-09-01 20:21 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-09-01 01:55 -0300
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2020-09-01 09:36 +0300
    Re: Is the Eternal September over scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-10 15:30 +0000
    Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 17:47 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 11:26 -0700
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 18:37 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:46 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-11 19:58 +0000
              Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 18:44 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 16:20 -0400
              Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-12 19:23 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 17:37 -0400
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-13 21:05 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 18:12 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-13 19:08 -0400
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2020-08-13 23:15 -0500
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-14 07:13 -0700
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 13:44 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 10:08 -0500
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-14 03:42 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 06:25 -0400
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-14 15:57 -0400
                          Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-14 21:01 +0000
                            Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 16:54 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 21:34 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 19:56 +0100
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-11 19:13 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 19:17 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:01 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-11 18:39 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-11 20:28 +0100
          Re: Is the Eternal September over "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-12 07:12 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-11 22:53 +0000
      Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 15:06 -0400
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-08-11 23:35 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
        Re: Is the Eternal September over Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-11 17:29 -0700
          Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 20:30 -0400
          Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:44 -0400
            Re: Is the Eternal September over J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-11 21:50 -0400
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-12 06:50 -0400
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-12 18:02 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-12 14:50 +0100
            Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 15:56 +0100
              Re: Is the Eternal September over Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-12 15:26 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Jason Evans <jsevans@mailfence.com> - 2020-08-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-08-12 17:47 +0100
                  Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-02 07:03 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-09-02 09:41 +0100
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
                    Re: Is the Eternal September over Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> - 2020-09-06 01:02 +0000
                      Re: Is the Eternal September over usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-09-08 02:29 +0000
          Re: Is the Eternal September over lawrence <lawrenabe@abaluon.com> - 2020-08-12 14:59 -0500
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#212623

FromBob Eager <news0073@eager.cx>
Date2020-08-09 21:56 +0000
Message-ID<hpb9ocFe99U22@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#212622
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 17:06:10 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

> The other day in my Internet travels I happened on a Scot, Janey Godley.
> Pretty funny but hard to understand.

Going off-thread a bit...

For want of anything better to do, I;ve been watching old episodes of fly-
on-the-wall programmes about Customs posts around the world. Mainly New 
Zealand and Australia, also occasionally England.

Today I switched on and for the first time could not understand some of 
the people. Republic of Ireland!




-- 
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 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#212627

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
Message-ID<1839269737.618704583.705564.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212623
Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 17:06:10 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
> 
>> The other day in my Internet travels I happened on a Scot, Janey Godley.
>> Pretty funny but hard to understand.
> 
> Going off-thread a bit...
> 
> For want of anything better to do, I;ve been watching old episodes of fly-
> on-the-wall programmes about Customs posts around the world. Mainly New 
> Zealand and Australia, also occasionally England.
> 
> Today I switched on and for the first time could not understand some of 
> the people. Republic of Ireland!
> 

I always get a chuckle about shows that have subtitles for “English”
speakers. Some of them are pretty hard to understand.

-- 
Pete

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#212641 — UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)

Fromlawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom>
Date2020-08-10 14:48 -0500
SubjectUK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)
Message-ID<871rkez3i6.fsf_-_@cluon.com>
In reply to#212619
Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, the major issue is Brexit.
>> I suppose they can get by without England, but it's a major setback.
>
> I think you mean "the UK". They might get Scotland back at some point, 
> though.
>
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-difference-between-
> england-britain-and-uk-180959558/
>
> NOt half as much as it is a setback for the UK, though.


It's like an amputation at the knee.  It's definitely hard on the body,
and it might kill you, but it's definitely going to be a bigger issue
for the foot.

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#212642 — Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-10 13:05 -0700
SubjectRe: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)
Message-ID<842505162.618782717.461106.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212641
lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>> 
>>> As far as I can tell, the major issue is Brexit.
>>> I suppose they can get by without England, but it's a major setback.
>> 
>> I think you mean "the UK". They might get Scotland back at some point, 
>> though.
>> 
>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-difference-between-
>> england-britain-and-uk-180959558/
>> 
>> NOt half as much as it is a setback for the UK, though.
> 
> 
> It's like an amputation at the knee.  It's definitely hard on the body,
> and it might kill you, but it's definitely going to be a bigger issue
> for the foot.
> 
> 

It’s not like they have the Empire to fall back on any more.

-- 
Pete

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#212645 — Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-10 18:19 -0400
SubjectRe: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)
Message-ID<tth3jfhkr3nqr0c7n9pon9ob831h193rgc@4ax.com>
In reply to#212642
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 13:05:52 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

>lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> wrote:
>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I can tell, the major issue is Brexit.
>>>> I suppose they can get by without England, but it's a major setback.
>>> 
>>> I think you mean "the UK". They might get Scotland back at some point, 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-difference-between-
>>> england-britain-and-uk-180959558/
>>> 
>>> NOt half as much as it is a setback for the UK, though.
>> 
>> 
>> It's like an amputation at the knee.  It's definitely hard on the body,
>> and it might kill you, but it's definitely going to be a bigger issue
>> for the foot.
>> 
>> 
>
>It’s not like they have the Empire to fall back on any more.

And they sold most of what was left of their industry.  I guess
they're going to have to nationalize it again and watch it sink.

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#212644 — Re: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2020-08-10 21:38 +0100
SubjectRe: UK / EU split (was Re: Is the Eternal September over)
Message-ID<20200810213838.1fab1c98a7dcd64344327806@eircom.net>
In reply to#212641
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:48:17 -0500
lawrence <lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom> wrote:

> It's like an amputation at the knee.  It's definitely hard on the body,
> and it might kill you, but it's definitely going to be a bigger issue
> for the foot.

	Not a bad analogy, especially since, as the saw is working through
the bone, an infection has set in and spread pretty well everywhere causing
far more problems for both body and foot than the bone saw which is still
working away.

	I know which side of the cut I want to be on (and I'm on it).

-- 
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The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#212632

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2020-08-10 01:16 +0000
Message-ID<de1YG.1842549$imF1.1727493@fx15.am4>
In reply to#212599
On 2020-08-09, J  Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:40:26 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>>>>> Any doubt in your mind?  Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>>>> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>>>> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>>>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>>>
>>>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>>> 
>>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>>>
>>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
>>
>>A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
>>Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
>>and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
>>Now if we could get a South American and an African union
>>going.
>>
>>I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>>the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
> My impression is that the problem with the EU is not with the concept
> but with the execution. 

Problem is that they became political union instead of economic union..
sure way or disaster...


-- 
current job title: senior software engineer
skills: c++,c,rust,go,nim,haskell...

press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Svi smo svedoci - oko 3 godine intenzivne propagande je dovoljno da jedan narod poludi --  Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi 
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala

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#212605

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-09 10:07 -0700
Message-ID<1383890015.618684324.110094.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212597
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:25:34 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:53:03 -0500, Dave Garrett wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <rgmj4m$tq3$1@dont-email.me>, dan1espen@gmail.com says...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, definitely not over.
>>>>>> Any doubt in your mind?  Head over to alt.home.repair.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I gave up on alt.home.repair. Despite employing an aggressive
>>>>> killfile, the signal-to-noise ratio remained abysmal, primarily due to
>>>>> the gang of incurably loquacious knob-jockeys who would not budge from
>>>>> their apparent conviction that the name of the newsgroup was really
>>>>> alt.politics.home.repair.
>>>> 
>>>> WE have the same problem with uk.d-i-y ...
>>> 
>>> From what I've seen, the uk groups are even worse.
>>> A huge amount of name calling and stalking.
>>> Must be that British humor at work, or all the posters are drunk.
>> 
>> No, the Brexiteers are foaming at the mouth...
> 
> A damn shame, the EU looks like a very good thing to me.
> Hopefully a way of ending centuries of European conflict
> and putting the EU on an even basis with the US.
> Now if we could get a South American and an African union
> going.
> 
> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
> 

At one point I thought a closer union of English-speaking countries would
be good - of course now no one wants to have anything to do with us, we’re
an international pariah. Something like the “five eyes”: US, Canada, UK,
Australia and New Zealand?

-- 
Pete

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#212717

FromAndreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de>
Date2020-08-13 09:57 +0200
Message-ID<874kp7q8q4.fsf@eder.anydns.info>
In reply to#212597
On So 09 Aug 2020 at 10:40, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
> the curse of the Tower of Babel.

It is not a curse. It is more of a blessing.
I like the diofferent languages.

'Andreas

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#212721

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-13 08:01 -0400
Message-ID<rh3a2m$mru$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212717
Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> writes:

> On So 09 Aug 2020 at 10:40, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suppose Usenet, but more important the Internet can eventually end
>> the curse of the Tower of Babel.
>
> It is not a curse. It is more of a blessing.
> I like the diofferent languages.

A blessing?

3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
that you know?

The original bible story has stood for the last 2000 years as an
parable of a curse imposed on humanity.  That's been pretty much
unquestioned.

There is an intelligence sharing organization called the Five Eyes
consisting of the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK.
These 5 countries trust each other more than they trust other
major powers like Germany and France.  They all have something
in common and I don't mean their skin color.

Periodically in the USA we have the more paranoid among us wanting
to pass laws to make English the countries "official" language.

There's a huge economic cost to having to cope with all the
different languages in the world.  We have instruction manuals
5 times larger than they have to be in tiny print because
they try to serve customers that can't understand a common
language.  We have translators hired so that business people
and politicians can attempt to understand each other.

Great ideas in written works can't reach people unless they
are translated to other languages.

I know I won't see it in the time I have left to live
but someday we'll all understand each other a little better
and a common language will help that along, and the Internet
will contribute to that happening.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212725

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-08-13 14:33 +0000
Message-ID<hpl199Fdre8U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#212721
On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
> blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
> do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
> that you know?

Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world
today? Certainly.

However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that
culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural
signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be
unfortunate.

The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing,
since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger
people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different
places.

Niklas
-- 
Not as in "I have a better offer, do what I say", but simply "I'll
resign if you don't do what I say".  I didn't want them to beat a
price, I wanted them to beat the people causing problems.
                          -- Joe Thompson

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#212726

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-13 10:46 -0400
Message-ID<rh3jp0$7q2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212725
Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:

> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
>> blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
>> do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
>> that you know?
>
> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world
> today? Certainly.
>
> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that
> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural
> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be
> unfortunate.
>
> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing,
> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger
> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different
> places.

Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak
and counter productive.

Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training
things.  The speaker went on at length about the beauty of
jive talk.  Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of
ideas depending on the inflection.  I think it was "she be gone".
Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me.
Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go.

If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea,
incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before).
There's no reason for anything of value to be lost.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#212727

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2020-08-13 10:40 -0500
Message-ID<rh3mu0$663$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212726
On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:
> 
>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
>>> blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
>>> that you know?
>>
>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world
>> today? Certainly.
>>
>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that
>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural
>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be
>> unfortunate.
>>
>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing,
>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger
>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different
>> places.
> 
> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak
> and counter productive.
> 
> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training
> things.  The speaker went on at length about the beauty of
> jive talk.  Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of
> ideas depending on the inflection.  I think it was "she be gone".
> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me.
> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go.
> 
> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea,
> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before).
> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost.
> 

If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the 
common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of 
12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various 
dialects), as opposed to 5% for English.

Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the 
language I already know.

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#212728

FromDan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Date2020-08-13 11:49 -0400
Message-ID<rh3ndi$87o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212727
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:

> On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:
>>
>>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
>>>> blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
>>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
>>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
>>>> that you know?
>>>
>>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world
>>> today? Certainly.
>>>
>>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that
>>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural
>>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be
>>> unfortunate.
>>>
>>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing,
>>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger
>>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different
>>> places.
>>
>> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak
>> and counter productive.
>>
>> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training
>> things.  The speaker went on at length about the beauty of
>> jive talk.  Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of
>> ideas depending on the inflection.  I think it was "she be gone".
>> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me.
>> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go.
>>
>> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea,
>> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before).
>> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost.
>>
>
> If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the
> common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of
> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various
> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English.
>
> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the
> language I already know.

I don't think that's going to happen.
First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,
but if that's what it takes to lift the curse, so be it.

No, I am not trying to push English just because I speak it.


-- 
Dan Espen

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#212729

Fromgareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-13 17:24 +0100
Message-ID<rh3pfg$lh5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#212728
On 13/08/2020 16:49, Dan Espen wrote:
> First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,

Cymraeg.

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#212782

From"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1>
Date2020-08-14 11:05 +0000
Message-ID<XnsAC197AF92EA5admin127001@144.76.35.198>
In reply to#212729
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:24:15 GMT, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> 
wrote:

> On 13/08/2020 16:49, Dan Espen wrote:
>> First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,
> 
> Cymraeg.
> 
> 
y?


-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

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#212732

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-13 09:53 -0700
Message-ID<1481811311.619029392.611758.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212728
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:
> 
>> On 8/13/2020 9:46 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 2020-08-13, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3 days later, and the only reason you can come up with that it's a
>>>>> blessing is that you like different languages?  I'm curious, why
>>>>> do you like not being able to communicate with others?  Or do you just
>>>>> like the intellectual challenge of being able to learn the few languages
>>>>> that you know?
>>>> 
>>>> Are there drawbacks to the wide variety of languages found in the world
>>>> today? Certainly.
>>>> 
>>>> However, a language is part of the culture using it, and reflects that
>>>> culture in various ways. Removing a language loses us this cultural
>>>> signature, essentially destroying information. I think that would be
>>>> unfortunate.
>>>> 
>>>> The present order of things, with English as the lingua franca (amusing,
>>>> since that means 'French language'), appears to work tolerably. Younger
>>>> people seem to have a decent command of English in lots of different
>>>> places.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but I believe that "diversity" argument is weak
>>> and counter productive.
>>> 
>>> Years ago, my employer did one of those diversity training
>>> things.  The speaker went on at length about the beauty of
>>> jive talk.  Showing how 3 words could express a multitude of
>>> ideas depending on the inflection.  I think it was "she be gone".
>>> Seemed like a bunch of nonsense to me.
>>> Speaking clearly and saying what you mean is the way to go.
>>> 
>>> If your language has a unique way of expressing an idea,
>>> incorporate it into English (as we've done so often before).
>>> There's no reason for anything of value to be lost.
>>> 
>> 
>> If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the
>> common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of
>> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various
>> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English.
>> 
>> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the
>> language I already know.
> 
> I don't think that's going to happen.
> First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,
> but if that's what it takes to lift the curse, so be it.
> 

This has it’s own problems. When Turkey changed from Arabic Script to a
variant of the roman alphabet much of their literature and history
gradually became unreadable without a special effort on the part of native
Turkish speakers. Not to say it wasn’t a smart long-term move, but it
wasn’t pain-free.

-- 
Pete

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#212739

FromNiklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se>
Date2020-08-13 17:04 +0000
Message-ID<hpla40Ffh6fU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#212732
On 2020-08-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think that's going to happen.
>> First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,
>> but if that's what it takes to lift the curse, so be it.
>> 
>
> This has it’s own problems. When Turkey changed from Arabic Script to a
> variant of the roman alphabet much of their literature and history
> gradually became unreadable without a special effort on the part of native
> Turkish speakers. Not to say it wasn’t a smart long-term move, but it
> wasn’t pain-free.

That's also a very good point. History matters.

Niklas
-- 
When being picked up against their will by larger creatures, cats and human
children share not only the ability to temporarily sprout extra limbs and
perform incredible acts of contortionism, but also to temporarily increase their
weight.

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#212755 — Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over

FromJohn Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Date2020-08-13 22:57 +0000
SubjectRe: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over
Message-ID<rh4ghc$2777$2@gal.iecc.com>
In reply to#212728
In article <rh3ndi$87o$1@dont-email.me>,
Dan Espen  <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the
>> common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of
>> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various
>> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English.
>>
>> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the
>> language I already know.
>
>I don't think that's going to happen.
>First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,
>but if that's what it takes to lift the curse, so be it.

Don't be ridiculous. One of the great advantages of written Chinese is
that it is a common language for over a billion people with very
different spoken languages (as different as French and Portuguese, I
hear.) A large part of it is also common with Japanese kanji.

Anyway, there is a common phonetic alphabet for Mandarin called
pinyin. That's how you type Chinese into your computer or phone.

-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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#212760 — Re: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2020-08-13 17:12 -0700
SubjectRe: The ideal Language, or Is the Eternal September over
Message-ID<432023670.619056513.481192.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#212755
John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> In article <rh3ndi$87o$1@dont-email.me>,
> Dan Espen  <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If your argument is for standardization, I trust you'd be ok with the
>>> common language being Mandarin Chinese? It's the native language of
>>> 12% of the world's population (17% if you include all the various
>>> dialects), as opposed to 5% for English.
>>> 
>>> Me, I'm too old to learn Chinese, so everybody should learn the
>>> language I already know.
>> 
>> I don't think that's going to happen.
>> First I'd want to see an phonetic alphabet come into common usage,
>> but if that's what it takes to lift the curse, so be it.
> 
> Don't be ridiculous. One of the great advantages of written Chinese is
> that it is a common language for over a billion people with very
> different spoken languages (as different as French and Portuguese, I
> hear.) A large part of it is also common with Japanese kanji.
> 
> Anyway, there is a common phonetic alphabet for Mandarin called
> pinyin. That's how you type Chinese into your computer or phone.
> 

is there an app that translates pinyin to glyphs? It seems do-able.

-- 
Pete

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