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| Started by | Iron Spring Software <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2020-07-24 09:38 -0700 |
| Last post | 2020-07-30 20:27 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 164 — 35 participants |
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DEC Iron Spring Software <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2020-07-24 09:38 -0700
Re: DEC Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2020-07-24 17:12 -0300
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 17:14 -0400
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-24 19:43 -0700
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-24 23:28 -0400
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-25 02:06 -0700
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 05:27 -0400
Re: DEC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-25 10:58 +0100
Re: 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-25 17:21 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 13:54 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 14:43 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 18:05 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 20:27 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 21:08 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 23:29 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 23:30 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-26 00:06 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-05 06:06 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-07 10:19 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-07 20:01 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-07 22:45 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-08 13:35 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-09 15:33 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 13:16 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 15:00 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 18:35 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2020-08-10 23:10 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-08-09 19:18 +0000
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-09 18:40 -0400
Re: wiki software, not 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-09 15:30 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 18:39 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 18:43 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-07-25 23:32 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-26 21:45 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-26 18:01 -0400
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-27 06:38 +0100
Re: 360 PCs was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-26 01:24 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-25 18:39 -0700
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-07-26 20:18 +0000
Re: 360 PCs was DEC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-25 19:39 +0100
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-25 12:50 -0700
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-25 02:26 -0700
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-07-26 19:23 +0000
Re: DEC Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-26 21:05 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-26 16:23 -0700
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-26 21:24 -0400
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-27 11:42 -0700
Re: DEC archaeology John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-27 02:41 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-07-27 07:37 +0100
Re: DEC archaeology Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-27 07:10 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-27 09:03 +0100
Re: DEC archaeology Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2020-07-27 02:09 -0700
Re: DEC archaeology Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-27 11:27 +0100
Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-27 12:22 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-07-27 20:51 -0400
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-28 06:02 +0100
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-07-28 08:29 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-07-28 17:30 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2020-07-28 18:18 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-07-28 19:57 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-28 21:32 +0100
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2020-07-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-28 18:33 -0400
Re: Origin of Niven/Pournelle quips (was: DEC archaeology) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2020-07-28 20:55 +0100
Re: DEC archaeology John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-27 14:53 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-07-27 11:30 -0500
Re: DEC archaeology scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-27 16:37 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-07-28 10:24 -0500
Re: DEC archaeology scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-28 15:59 +0000
Re: DEC archaeology Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-27 11:42 -0700
Re: DEC archaeology J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-27 18:47 -0400
Re: DEC archaeology Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-27 17:43 -0700
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-07-28 03:21 +0000
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-07-28 17:30 +0000
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-28 20:27 +0000
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-28 18:53 -0400
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Gareth Evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-29 10:36 +0100
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2020-08-02 12:55 +0200
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 12:49 -0400
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-29 14:08 -0700
Re: ou sont les ordinateurs d'antan, was DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-29 14:04 -0700
Re: DEC Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2020-07-30 03:49 -0600
Re: DEC scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-30 14:41 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-30 10:12 -0700
Re: DEC scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-07-30 18:40 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-07-30 12:02 -0700
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-07-31 02:38 -0700
Re: DEC large computers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-07-31 20:21 +0000
Re: DEC large computers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-07-31 23:23 +0000
Re: DEC large computers J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-07-31 21:13 -0400
Re: DEC large computers Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-01 10:39 +0000
Re: vectors, was DEC large computers John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-01 02:21 +0000
Re: vectors, was DEC large computers Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-01 11:14 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-07-31 20:30 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 00:00 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:20 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-01 07:00 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 08:18 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 11:52 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-02 21:58 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-02 18:50 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:23 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 13:34 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-01 00:55 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:27 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-01 17:27 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-01 12:11 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-01 19:56 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2020-08-01 20:18 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-01 23:42 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 20:32 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2020-08-02 12:58 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-01 16:28 -0400
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2020-08-02 20:42 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 20:27 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-02 00:28 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2020-08-02 08:01 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 16:47 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 19:45 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2020-08-03 21:00 -0600
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-08-02 22:45 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 07:45 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-01 08:24 +0000
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:30 -0700
Re: IBM models 91, 195 & CDC 7600 robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:34 -0700
Re: DEC large computers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-01 00:51 -0700
Re: DEC large computers robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-01 02:23 -0700
Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-07-31 21:16 -0400
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2020-08-01 01:56 +0000
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> - 2020-08-01 15:59 +0100
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-01 22:09 -0400
Re: Jupiter alternatives [was Re: DEC] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2020-08-01 22:07 -0400
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-03 00:32 +0000
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-02 23:54 -0700
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 07:45 -0700
Re: DEC robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-03 09:16 -0700
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 10:10 -0700
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-03 10:35 -0700
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-03 11:28 -0700
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-03 21:26 +0000
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-08-03 16:38 -0700
Re: DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-03 21:44 -0400
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-03 23:55 -0700
Re: DEC Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 08:05 -0400
Re: DEC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 08:59 -0400
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-04 06:29 -0700
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-04 07:48 -0700
Re: DEC Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2020-08-05 04:13 +0000
Re: DEC robin.vowels@gmail.com - 2020-08-04 22:45 -0700
Re: DEC JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 12:33 -0500
Re: DEC "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> - 2020-08-05 19:31 +0000
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-04 22:57 -0700
Re: DEC Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2020-08-05 08:13 +0000
Re: DEC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-05 10:58 -0700
Re: DEC drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2020-08-05 13:28 -0500
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-06 16:21 -0700
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-03 18:23 +0000
Re: DEC Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> - 2020-08-03 11:31 -0700
Re: DEC danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2020-08-03 18:38 +0000
Re: DEC "m. thompson" <michael.99.thompson@gmail.com> - 2020-08-04 05:38 -0700
Re: DEC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2020-08-04 18:54 +0000
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-08-03 00:32 +0000
Re: DEC Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2020-07-30 13:29 -0700
Re: DEC usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2020-07-30 20:27 +0000
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2020-08-03 16:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <85d30328-7d63-4b18-8193-131d03f4ec2eo@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212529 |
On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The Univac 773 printer's top cover was fiendishly designed to be close enough > to level that you could set printouts on it, but slanted just enough that > they would slide off onto the floor as soon as you turned your back. IBM printers had level top covers. However, their bad habit is that they opened, rising up and ceasing to be level, whenever the printer wanted more paper or wanted its ribbon changed. John Savard
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-03 21:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rgaeik$7ut$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212532 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes: > On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> The Univac 773 printer's top cover was fiendishly designed to be close enough >> to level that you could set printouts on it, but slanted just enough that >> they would slide off onto the floor as soon as you turned your back. > > IBM printers had level top covers. However, their bad habit is that they opened, > rising up and ceasing to be level, whenever the printer wanted more paper or > wanted its ribbon changed. > > John Savard A lot of us were used to the 1403 on the 1401. They didn't have a motorized cover. As you were collecting your cards, printouts, the printer was a free surface to lay things on. Pretty much everybody had to learn the hard way. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-03 23:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bcbf10ab-a901-4a3a-82fe-446012bfca68o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212534 |
On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 9:44:56 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: > A lot of us were used to the 1403 on the 1401. > They didn't have a motorized cover. > As you were collecting your cards, printouts, > the printer was a free surface to lay things on. The 1403N1 had a power cover lift. At SPC they discovered that the cover motor was not sufficient to lift a student sitting on the printer. That was rather hard to explain to our grumpy IBM CE, but wasn't the strangest thing to ever happen to him there. I have been working on a "now it can be told" blog post about how our 370/138 ended up full of dirt and lawn clippings, plus a few marble chips.
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| From | Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 08:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rgbiuh$vsa$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #212537 |
Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> writes: > On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 9:44:56 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: >> A lot of us were used to the 1403 on the 1401. >> They didn't have a motorized cover. >> As you were collecting your cards, printouts, >> the printer was a free surface to lay things on. > > The 1403N1 had a power cover lift. At SPC they discovered > that the cover motor was not sufficient to lift a student > sitting on the printer. That was rather hard to explain to > our grumpy IBM CE, but wasn't the strangest thing to ever > happen to him there. I have been working on a "now it can > be told" blog post about how our 370/138 ended up full of > dirt and lawn clippings, plus a few marble chips. Well, for the first part, I can honestly say I never saw anyone climb up on top of a 1403. Can't imagine how the lawn debris got in a 138. No filter on the cooling system intake should not have pulled in marble chips. -- Dan Espen
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| From | J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 08:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3nmiift6pq8a0hacs7lo96soutf35qtbah@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212538 |
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 08:05:37 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote: >Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> writes: > >> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 9:44:56 PM UTC-4, Dan Espen wrote: >>> A lot of us were used to the 1403 on the 1401. >>> They didn't have a motorized cover. >>> As you were collecting your cards, printouts, >>> the printer was a free surface to lay things on. >> >> The 1403N1 had a power cover lift. At SPC they discovered >> that the cover motor was not sufficient to lift a student >> sitting on the printer. That was rather hard to explain to >> our grumpy IBM CE, but wasn't the strangest thing to ever >> happen to him there. I have been working on a "now it can >> be told" blog post about how our 370/138 ended up full of >> dirt and lawn clippings, plus a few marble chips. > >Well, for the first part, I can honestly say I never saw anyone >climb up on top of a 1403. > >Can't imagine how the lawn debris got in a 138. No filter on >the cooling system intake should not have pulled in marble chips. One suspects that it wasn't that sort of incident. The story would likely be amusing. I have seen a 2741 terminal eat a Burger King Whopper. It seemed to enjoy it at the time but had horrible indigestion a week or so later. The tech who had to treat said indigestion wasn't looking all that shiny either by the time he was done.
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| From | Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 06:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <43efd137-977b-4715-b947-a02996d6c5bbo@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212540 |
On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:59:10 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 08:05:37 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> > wrote: > >Can't imagine how the lawn debris got in a 138. No filter on > >the cooling system intake should not have pulled in marble chips. > > One suspects that it wasn't that sort of incident. The story would > likely be amusing. It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 07:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <448168798.618245243.160669.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212541 |
Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> wrote: > On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:59:10 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote: >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 08:05:37 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Can't imagine how the lawn debris got in a 138. No filter on >>> the cooling system intake should not have pulled in marble chips. >> >> One suspects that it wasn't that sort of incident. The story would >> likely be amusing. > > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. > And it worked after that?? That would be saying a lot about IBM manufacturing. -- Pete
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| From | Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 04:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <houq02FsijkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #212541 |
On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> wrote: > > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about a large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably within the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, but I think it may have been. It doesn't seem like the kind of event that happens often, so I wouldn't think it was a different occurrence. Niklas -- The so-called "desktop metaphor" of today's workstations is instead an "airplane-seat" metaphor. Anyone who has shuffled a lap full of papers while seated between two portly passengers will recognize the difference -- one can see only a very few things at once. - Fred Brooks
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| From | robin.vowels@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 22:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <68fa4c47-bfab-453b-b824-85c275049668o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212544 |
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:13:56 PM UTC+10, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <t......@glaver.org> wrote: > > > > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It > > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid > > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, > > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. > > You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about a > large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably within > the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, but I think > it may have been. Life imitates art. Bud Abbott & Lou Costello did a scene like that with a piano.
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| From | JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 12:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <carlifdj13kiqklfe7qt287bp0ukmqjbut@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #212545 |
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 22:45:43 -0700 (PDT), robin.vowels@gmail.com wrote: >On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:13:56 PM UTC+10, Niklas Karlsson wrote: >> On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <t......@glaver.org> wrote: >> > >> > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It >> > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid >> > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, >> > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. >> >> You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about a >> large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably within >> the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, but I think >> it may have been. > >Life imitates art. >Bud Abbott & Lou Costello did a scene like that with a piano. Laurel and Hardy. -- Jim
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 19:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsAC10D0DA73FFadmin127001@144.76.35.198> |
| In reply to | #212549 |
On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 17:33:12 GMT, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 22:45:43 -0700 (PDT), robin.vowels@gmail.com wrote: >>On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:13:56 PM UTC+10, Niklas Karlsson >>wrote: >>> On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <t......@glaver.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. >>> > It involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some >>> > lowest-bid movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy >>> > main street, smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling >>> > over onto the lawn. >>> >>> You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about >>> a large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably >>> within the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, >>> but I think it may have been. >> >>Life imitates art. >>Bud Abbott & Lou Costello did a scene like that with a piano. > > Laurel and Hardy. > I was thinking that but I haven't watched a lot of A&C. "The Music Box" 1932 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3y8SJblixY -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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| From | Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 22:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1e9141d9-f0c5-425d-8f82-f49d1bb41883o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212544 |
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:13:56 AM UTC-4, Niklas Karlsson wrote: > On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> wrote: > > > > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It > > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid > > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, > > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. > > You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about a > large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably within > the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, but I think > it may have been. I've described it in short form here a number of times. The blog post will have pictures (with circles and arrows with paragraphs on the back). I've been puttering away at the blog post and have it done up to the impact with The mausoleum. Hooking it up to a bulldozer and pulling it back up the hill and the resulting experiences will the boss and the IBM CE still need to be Added
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| From | Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 08:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hov80gFmsnaU23@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #212546 |
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:57:01 -0700, Terry Kennedy wrote: > On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:13:56 AM UTC-4, Niklas Karlsson > wrote: >> On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> wrote: >> > >> > It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It >> > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid >> > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, >> > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. >> >> You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about a >> large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably within >> the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, but I >> think it may have been. > > I've described it in short form here a number of times. The blog post > will have pictures (with circles and arrows with paragraphs on the > back). I've been puttering away at the blog post and have it done up to > the impact with The mausoleum. Hooking it up to a bulldozer and pulling > it back up the hill and the resulting experiences will the boss and the > IBM CE still need to be Added Not as bad, but I knew of a large Analex printer that suffered a less spectacular event. It was sitting ther in the machine room, minding its own business, when too many floor tiles were removed from around it. Some of the supports were clearly not solidly founded, because it keeled over and fell into the floor void. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2088834524.618342912.372441.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #212548 |
Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:57:01 -0700, Terry Kennedy wrote: > >> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:13:56 AM UTC-4, Niklas Karlsson >> wrote: >>> On 2020-08-04, Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It >>>> involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid >>>> movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, >>>> smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. >>> >>> You know, this sounds awfully familiar. I swear I read a story about a >>> large computer component accidentally rolling downhill, probably within >>> the last few years. I'm not certain whether it was in a.f.c, but I >>> think it may have been. >> >> I've described it in short form here a number of times. The blog post >> will have pictures (with circles and arrows with paragraphs on the >> back). I've been puttering away at the blog post and have it done up to >> the impact with The mausoleum. Hooking it up to a bulldozer and pulling >> it back up the hill and the resulting experiences will the boss and the >> IBM CE still need to be Added > > Not as bad, but I knew of a large Analex printer that suffered a less > spectacular event. > > It was sitting ther in the machine room, minding its own business, when > too many floor tiles were removed from around it. Some of the supports > were clearly not solidly founded, because it keeled over and fell into > the floor void. > On the subject of accidents - I once saw a 3420 tape reel come off the drive (bearing snapped, must be a rare occurrence). The reel flew across the computer room trailing the tape behind it. Rewound it by hand, and it was still readable. -- Pete
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| From | drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) |
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| Date | 2020-08-05 13:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <NOednXSA7aj3Z7fCnZ2dnUU7-dnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #212541 |
> It is, and I really should get around to finishing the blog entry. It > involved the 2350-pound 3138 CPU getting away from some lowest-bid > movers, rolling downhill for a block, crossing a busy main street, > smashing into the side of a mausoleum and falling over onto the lawn. In the 80s, as part of a customer machine upgrade horsetrade, we inherited part or all of their old system. The truck delivering it showed up and 16:59 on sweltering afternoon with less than adequate reinforcements and dollies/lifts/yaddayadda. The subject of the story, a Prime 19" rack of standard machine room height, containing one CDC 8" 496 MB FMD mounted high up, was duly lift-gated down to street level successfully, but in the process of rolling the cab off the gate onto the sidewalk, they lost control of it, and it fell over onto its back. Thud. Prime came in, looked at it, said no, walked out. Zorog and I managed, by him basically grasping the back doorframe and standing on the back end of the drive, managed to shove it forward out of its mangled rails, and we de-racked it. It seemed worth a try, so we cabled it to one of our systems and spun it up. Blasted thing worked. Rog carefully removed the front plastic, sprayed it red, reinstalled it. We named that pack <CRASH>, and while we were careful never to put anything very critical on it, it ran flawlessly for a long time. De
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| From | Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-06 16:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <15058a4a-5404-4251-90a9-8b8ee1974e03o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212552 |
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:29:04 PM UTC-4, Dennis Boone wrote: > [...] The subject of the story, > a Prime 19" rack of standard machine room height, containing one CDC 8" > 496 MB FMD mounted high up, was duly lift-gated down to street level > successfully, but in the process of rolling the cab off the gate onto > the sidewalk, they lost control of it, and it fell over onto its back. > Thud. > > Prime came in, looked at it, said no, walked out. > > Zorog and I managed, by him basically grasping the back doorframe and > standing on the back end of the drive, managed to shove it forward out > of its mangled rails, and we de-racked it. It seemed worth a try, so we > cabled it to one of our systems and spun it up. Blasted thing worked. > Rog carefully removed the front plastic, sprayed it red, reinstalled it. > We named that pack <CRASH>, and while we were careful never to put > anything very critical on it, it ran flawlessly for a long time. Eons ago, I ordered a 6061 disk drive new from Data General for our Eclipse S/200 (which I had locally modified to essentially be an S/230). This is one of those 192MB "washing machine" drives, similar to a DEC RP06 or an IBM 3330 (although the IBM drive packaging was quite different). We specified "inside delivery" (we were on the 2nd floor, 2.5 flights of steps up from the street). The delivery guy took one look, said "no way" and left the pallet on the sidewalk outside the doors. I grabbed a bunch of students and we carefully undid the strapping tape hold- ing the cardboard box onto the pallet and lifted it off in one piece (inclu- ding the shockwatch and tip-n-tell damage indicators). We then unbolted it from the pallet and brought it inside. We went up the steps by going "one, two, three, heave!" and with a mighty thud the drive climbed one step, with other students behind to keep it braced. We got it up to the 2nd floor and into the computer center, where we carefully put it back on the pallet and slipped the cardboard box back onto it. With some pliers we reinstalled the strapping tape (it was the kind that used the Z-clips, not heat sealing). When the DG tech came in to install it*, it worked perfectly. * I had already installed the controller and I/O paddleboard. The S/200 was from the DG era where you got a paddleboard with nearly 100 unlabeled white wire-wrap wires hanging off, and once you mounted the paddleboard in the stack on the back of the chassis, you had to wrap all of these wires to spe- cific pins on the backplane slot you chose for the controller. And there was no "universal" pinout like Massbus - every controller was different and used different pins.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-08-03 18:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rg9kn011mk9@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #212514 |
On 2020-08-03, Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> wrote: > On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 8:34:24 PM UTC-4, Questor wrote: > >> Also there was a strong resistance by management to selling anything that >> wasn't made in-house. DEC wanted to "do it all," and be a one-stop vendor >> for all computing needs. > > DEC did quite well sourcing their high end disk and tape products from other > manufacturers. The RM02/3/5 and RP06/7 drives were fine products from CDC and > Memorex, respectively. One night I was working on a Univac 90/30 in a machine room that also held a PDP-11/70. While waiting for a run, I popped open the back panel on one of the drives on the PDP (an RP06, IIRC). Prominently displayed inside was a plate reading "ISS / Sperry Univac". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> |
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| Date | 2020-08-03 11:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <33e792a4-0b39-4db0-b6b5-04ba4de34f04o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212522 |
On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 2:24:37 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > One night I was working on a Univac 90/30 in a machine room that also held > a PDP-11/70. While waiting for a run, I popped open the back panel on one > of the drives on the PDP (an RP06, IIRC). Prominently displayed inside > was a plate reading "ISS / Sperry Univac". This is a result of industry consolidation. The most prominent example being CDC -> MPI -> Imprimis (and then Seagate, but we won't go there). If you look inside an early TU77/78, you'll see "Triumph Adler".
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| From | danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-03 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rg9ljk$48o$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #212525 |
In <33e792a4-0b39-4db0-b6b5-04ba4de34f04o@googlegroups.com> Terry Kennedy <terry-groups@glaver.org> writes: >On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 2:24:37 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> One night I was working on a Univac 90/30 in a machine room that also held >> a PDP-11/70. While waiting for a run, I popped open the back panel on one >> of the drives on the PDP (an RP06, IIRC). Prominently displayed inside >> was a plate reading "ISS / Sperry Univac". >This is a result of industry consolidation. The most prominent example being CDC -> MPI -> Imprimis (and then Seagate, but we won't go there). >If you look inside an early TU77/78, you'll see "Triumph Adler". And early NASA rockets had parts stamed "Bavarian Sky Works" -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| From | "m. thompson" <michael.99.thompson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-08-04 05:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b56e1916-109a-47a1-897c-286df6051df2o@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #212522 |
On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 2:24:37 PM UTC-4, Charlie Gibbs wrote: I popped open the back panel on one > of the drives on the PDP (an RP06, IIRC). Prominently displayed inside > was a plate reading "ISS / Sperry Univac". That would be an RP07. The RP06 was made by Memorex.
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