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| Started by | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 341 — 35 participants |
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General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 13:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-26 14:06 +0000
Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 14:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 16:02 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 16:24 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-04-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 14:21 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-27 01:36 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2025-05-03 14:46 -0400
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0200
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-03 20:56 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 21:54 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:18 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-05-13 09:44 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 18:59 +0000
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-14 15:38 +0100
Re: Internet Service Provision (Re: General Thoughts ...) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-27 13:30 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 02:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-28 02:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 03:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 07:54 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-28 12:31 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 20:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:43 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 19:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 21:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-30 17:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-05-01 05:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 05:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <fortytwo@xs4all.nl> - 2025-05-01 11:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2025-05-01 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:47 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:50 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 02:31 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 10:44 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:53 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 09:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 08:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 18:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 04:59 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:25 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:13 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 12:37 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:43 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 09:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-01 13:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 14:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:01 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:37 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:12 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:06 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-05-12 20:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 23:09 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 02:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-13 09:52 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-13 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-13 22:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-14 03:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-14 12:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 22:58 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-02 00:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 02:39 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 01:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-02 23:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 -0400
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-01 13:35 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 13:18 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-01 23:03 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-05-05 11:15 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-28 11:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 22:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:34 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 03:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 16:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 11:21 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-01 02:37 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-01 18:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 03:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:12 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-02 18:15 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 04:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-05-03 04:44 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 07:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:36 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-04-30 20:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:02 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 14:07 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 01:01 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 08:31 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 13:42 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 22:29 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:08 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-03 01:20 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-03 02:23 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-03 05:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:13 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:57 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:43 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 00:40 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:25 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:35 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-05-05 20:18 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:43 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:07 +0200
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 02:59 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-05 20:16 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:33 +0000
Re: book em, General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 06:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:24 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-05 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 03:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:09 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 11:57 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 18:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:25 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-07 21:38 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:07 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 14:17 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:14 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 19:02 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:42 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:48 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 01:19 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:33 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:31 +0200
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 18:43 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-09 19:16 +0000
Re: unbook me, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-10 03:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 18:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:45 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 21:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-09 00:16 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-09 00:42 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-09 12:34 +0200
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:01 +0000
Re: kindles, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:50 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:23 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:24 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:37 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 08:28 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:28 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-07 22:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 23:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-07 23:44 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:33 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:18 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 17:52 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:25 +0200
Re: all the news that, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 14:05 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:05 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-05 22:56 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 04:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-02 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 14:16 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-04 19:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-04 22:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... maus <maus@debian.deb3> - 2025-05-05 07:14 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 08:54 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 13:34 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-05 18:49 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-05 23:28 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-06 04:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-06 12:02 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-06 14:06 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-06 16:37 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-06 18:38 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:59 +0000
California toll road infection Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-05-07 11:16 -0700
Re: California toll road infection Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-05-07 17:57 -0400
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 00:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:27 +0000
cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-11 17:33 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-11 21:19 +0200
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-12 01:29 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-12 01:34 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 13:15 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-12 16:37 +0000
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-12 22:36 +0200
Re: bridge cops, was: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-13 00:38 +0000
Re: cops, was: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:18 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-05-12 07:42 +0200
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-12 14:16 +0000
Re: California toll road infection rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-08 00:27 +0000
Re: California toll road infection scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-08 13:35 +0000
Re: California toll road infection John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-08 17:28 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-08 22:54 +0000
Re: California toll road infection Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-09 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-07 18:44 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-07 20:35 +0000
Re: way to go, General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-07 17:53 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-20 10:33 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-21 17:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2025-05-21 20:05 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:19 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 20:46 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-21 21:13 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2025-05-21 22:31 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2025-05-22 07:56 +0000
Re: Paying without Internet Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-21 23:29 +0100
Re: Paying without Internet rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-22 03:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 07:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Peter Flass -- Iron Spring Software <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-05-02 15:17 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 19:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:27 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 10:55 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:27 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:43 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 08:03 -0700
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 17:03 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-01 20:39 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-02 00:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-05-02 07:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-02 10:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-28 14:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 15:11 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 19:55 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-29 21:58 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 23:46 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 00:15 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-29 22:25 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-04-30 15:40 +0300
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 07:07 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 23:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-29 18:32 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-29 20:52 +0200
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 22:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 01:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-30 02:14 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:19 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-30 12:31 +0200
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:05 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-04-30 12:58 -0700
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-30 20:35 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:52 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-01 06:44 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 14:43 +0000
Re: BASIC history, was General Thoughts ... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-04-30 09:10 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-04-30 03:40 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-30 07:21 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-30 11:09 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:19 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-01 13:20 +0100
Re: General Thoughts ... antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-01 17:00 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-01 21:58 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-30 19:11 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 14:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-04-26 18:55 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 14:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-04-26 20:02 -0300
Re: General Thoughts ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-27 13:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-27 21:03 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 22:45 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 01:51 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:47 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:46 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 03:30 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-28 04:48 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-28 19:41 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-05-03 00:36 -0600
Re: General Thoughts ... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-27 01:22 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... Oscar Toledo G. <biyubi@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 01:26 +0000
Re: General Thoughts ... John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 08:32 -0700
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 01:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv15vn$3rgrd$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230881 |
On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. >> >> Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell? > > Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security. Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 23:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <h2pfelxr9m.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230885 |
On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. >>> >>> Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell? >> >> Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security. > > Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves. That's irrelevant. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 00:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv3mn9$273hn$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230909 |
On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. >>>> >>>> Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell? >>> >>> Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security. >> >> Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves. > > That's irrelevant. Reality does tend to be irrelevant to ideology, doesn’t it? But then, the feeling is mutual.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 14:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <bedhelx0p6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230916 |
On 2025-05-03 02:07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>>>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell? >>>> >>>> Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security. >>> >>> Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves. >> >> That's irrelevant. > > Reality does tend to be irrelevant to ideology, doesn’t it? > > But then, the feeling is mutual. You get it wrong. Your interpretation of security and how things should be done is irrelevant. The interpretation by bankers is what matters. We either follow their rules, or there are no banking apps in phones. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 10:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vvf8a9$t70l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230935 |
On 2025-05-03, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-05-03 02:07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>>>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>>>>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell? >>>>> >>>>> Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security. >>>> >>>> Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves. >>> >>> That's irrelevant. >> >> Reality does tend to be irrelevant to ideology, doesn’t it? >> >> But then, the feeling is mutual. > > You get it wrong. Your interpretation of security and how things > should be done is irrelevant. The interpretation by bankers is what > matters. We either follow their rules, or there are no banking apps in > phones. It ought to be illegal and stopped by courts, lest they someday find a way to do that even on desktop computers "Oh, we see you removed the bundled OS from Redmond and changed 'secure boot' settings. So you can't access the 'homebanking' on the web!". -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-07 12:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <c6prelxlt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231026 |
On 2025-05-07 11:14, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-05-03, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-05-03 02:07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Fri, 2 May 2025 23:12:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-05-02 03:09, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2025 02:37:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2025-05-01 23:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:01:02 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a >>>>>>>> system, same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not sure what the point of such refusal is. Given the standard Linux >>>>>>> sandboxing facilities, how would they even tell? >>>>>> >>>>>> Their point is that they can be sure of their view of security. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever it is they’re checking, they’re just fooling themselves. >>>> >>>> That's irrelevant. >>> >>> Reality does tend to be irrelevant to ideology, doesn’t it? >>> >>> But then, the feeling is mutual. >> >> You get it wrong. Your interpretation of security and how things >> should be done is irrelevant. The interpretation by bankers is what >> matters. We either follow their rules, or there are no banking apps in >> phones. > > It ought to be illegal and stopped by courts, lest they someday find a > way to do that even on desktop computers "Oh, we see you removed the > bundled OS from Redmond and changed 'secure boot' settings. So you can't > access the 'homebanking' on the web!". > You's probably lose the trial. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 20:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <P1tUP.414857$ujgb.398696@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #230865 |
In article <e14delxobs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2025-05-01 15:37, vallor wrote: >> It might be helpful if the Linux phone had the capability to >> run android applications, so that one would still be able >> to (say) authenticate with one's bank. > >I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a system, >same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted. I've never run across a bank app that wouldn't run on a rooted phone. If your bank pulls that sort of nonsense, it's time to find a different bank. -- _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting! \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 23:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ck4aflx4kr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231090 |
On 2025-05-12 22:41, Scott Alfter wrote:
> In article <e14delxobs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>,
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-05-01 15:37, vallor wrote:
>>> It might be helpful if the Linux phone had the capability to
>>> run android applications, so that one would still be able
>>> to (say) authenticate with one's bank.
>>
>> I'm certain that bank applications would refuse to run on such a system,
>> same as they refuse to run if the phone is rooted.
>
> I've never run across a bank app that wouldn't run on a rooted phone. If
> your bank pulls that sort of nonsense, it's time to find a different bank.
>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/1jnwmj4/are_banking_apps_that_still_refuse_to_work_a_dead/?tl=es-419>
<https://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?p=21886968>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/androidroot/comments/u0kjjj/banking_app_says_phone_is_rooted_but_its_not/?tl=es-es>
<https://es.quora.com/C%C3%B3mo-afecta-el-Root-en-Android-a-las-aplicaciones-bancarias>
<https://www.bbva.com/es/innovacion/consecuencias-root-jailbreak-smartphone/>
Asking ChatGpt - translation below:
¿Puede un banco negarse a operar en telefono rooteado?
Sí, un banco puede negarse a operar en un teléfono rooteado, y de hecho
muchos lo hacen.
¿Por qué los bancos bloquean teléfonos rooteados?
El rooteo de un teléfono (o "root" en Android) otorga al usuario
privilegios administrativos sobre el sistema operativo. Aunque esto
ofrece mayor control, también implica riesgos de seguridad que las
aplicaciones bancarias consideran inaceptables:
Menor seguridad del sistema operativo: El root puede permitir que
software malicioso acceda a datos sensibles.
Posible evasión de controles de seguridad: Algunos usuarios pueden
usar root para modificar el comportamiento de apps bancarias.
Normativas y cumplimiento: Los bancos deben seguir estándares de
seguridad (como PCI DSS) y minimizar cualquier posible vulnerabilidad.
¿Cómo detectan el root?
Las apps bancarias usan mecanismos como SafetyNet (de Google) o Play
Integrity API para verificar la integridad del dispositivo. Si detectan
root, pueden:
Impedir el inicio de sesión.
Ocultar funciones clave (transferencias, pagos, etc.).
Mostrar mensajes de advertencia o bloquear el uso total de la app.
¿Se puede evitar?
Existen herramientas como Magisk con módulos como Magisk Hide (aunque ya
no es tan efectivo con nuevas políticas), pero:
Violar los términos de uso del banco puede llevar al cierre de la
cuenta.
Eludir mecanismos de seguridad puede considerarse una práctica
riesgosa e incluso ilegal en algunos contextos.
¿Estás considerando rootear tu teléfono o ya lo tienes rooteado y tienes
problemas con una app bancaria en particular?
*************** Translation by DeepL:
Can a bank refuse to operate on a rooted phone?
Yes, a bank can refuse to operate on a rooted phone, and indeed many do.
Why do banks block rooted phones?
Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative
privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control,
it also entails security risks that banking applications find unacceptable:
Reduced operating system security: Rooting can allow malicious
software to access sensitive data.
Possible circumvention of security controls: Some users may use
root to modify the behaviour of banking apps.
Regulations and compliance: Banks must follow security standards
(such as PCI DSS) and minimise any potential vulnerabilities.
How do they detect root?
Banking apps use mechanisms such as SafetyNet (from Google) or Play
Integrity API to verify the integrity of the device. If they detect
root, they can:
Prevent login.
Hide key functions (transfers, payments, etc.).
Display warning messages or block full use of the app.
Can this be avoided?
There are tools such as Magisk with modules such as Magisk Hide
(although it is no longer as effective with new policies), but:
Violating the bank's terms of use can lead to account closure.
Bypassing security mechanisms can be considered a risky and even
illegal practice in some contexts.
Are you considering rooting your phone or already have it rooted and are
having problems with a particular banking app?
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
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--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 22:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vvtsoq$1b8s7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #231091 |
On Mon, 12 May 2025 23:09:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative > privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control, > it also entails security risks that banking applications find > unacceptable: And yet they allow access to their websites on any common-or-garden browser running on any common-or-garden PC, regardless of whether the user has administrative access to the PC or not. Why this paternalistic attitude only to users of mobile phones, but not PCs?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-13 02:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1bhaflxpl3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231092 |
On 2025-05-13 00:29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 2025 23:09:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative >> privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control, >> it also entails security risks that banking applications find >> unacceptable: > > And yet they allow access to their websites on any common-or-garden > browser running on any common-or-garden PC, regardless of whether the user > has administrative access to the PC or not. > > Why this paternalistic attitude only to users of mobile phones, but not > PCs? Well, for instance I can use a phone to identify myself, but not a computer. For another, because they can. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-13 09:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <vvv17t$1n2j4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #231092 |
On 2025-05-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 2025 23:09:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Rooting a phone (or "rooting" in Android) gives the user administrative >> privileges over the operating system. While this offers greater control, >> it also entails security risks that banking applications find >> unacceptable: > > And yet they allow access to their websites on any common-or-garden > browser running on any common-or-garden PC, regardless of whether the user > has administrative access to the PC or not. > > Why this paternalistic attitude only to users of mobile phones, but not > PCs? Probably because they're not able to do the same on "PC" computers yet. If someone manages to include something that allows, say, some sort of TPM and/or secure boot-based validation from within the browser - and W3C's history with DRM suggests that might end up happening - they might well start doing that. "You changed your computer's OS from the OEM-installed one. You cannot use our 'homebanking' from a rooted computer.", "You uninstalled or disabled the OEMs driver update tool, your system might not be secure, 'homebanking' will not work.", etc, etc. Let's hope those stay hypothetical. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-13 19:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m8hjc6Fct5eU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231097 |
On Tue, 13 May 2025 09:52:13 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > If someone manages to include something that allows, say, some sort of > TPM and/or secure boot-based validation from within the browser - and > W3C's history with DRM suggests that might end up happening - they might > well start doing that. "You changed your computer's OS from the > OEM-installed one. You cannot use our 'homebanking' from a rooted > computer.", "You uninstalled or disabled the OEMs driver update tool, > your system might not be secure, 'homebanking' will not work.", etc, > etc. Slightly different, but Amazon Music balked at playing content with Brave on Linux saying it wasn't an up to date Chrome. I then tried Firefox which tried to install some sort of DRM plugin that failed. So, I guess no Amazon Music if you've rooted your computer. (the box did come with Windows 11 Pro that I promptly overwrote with Ubuntu)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-13 22:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l5lcflxcq4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231099 |
On 2025-05-13 21:03, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2025 09:52:13 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> If someone manages to include something that allows, say, some sort of >> TPM and/or secure boot-based validation from within the browser - and >> W3C's history with DRM suggests that might end up happening - they might >> well start doing that. "You changed your computer's OS from the >> OEM-installed one. You cannot use our 'homebanking' from a rooted >> computer.", "You uninstalled or disabled the OEMs driver update tool, >> your system might not be secure, 'homebanking' will not work.", etc, >> etc. > > Slightly different, but Amazon Music balked at playing content with Brave > on Linux saying it wasn't an up to date Chrome. I then tried Firefox which > tried to install some sort of DRM plugin that failed. So, I guess no > Amazon Music if you've rooted your computer. (the box did come with > Windows 11 Pro that I promptly overwrote with Ubuntu) I have used Amazon Music on the car some times, with the Cat Auto thing. I don't quite like it, because if I stop and try to continue another day, it doesn't remember what it was playing. Anyway, I just tried in Firefox under Linux. It is playing, after saying no to subscribing (so it is just the basic option with Amazon Prime). I have Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc. and OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-14 03:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m8igf5FhdklU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #231100 |
On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:03:33 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Anyway, I just tried in Firefox under Linux. It is playing, after saying > no to subscribing (so it is just the basic option with Amazon Prime). I > have Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc. and > OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc. Okay. Probably not something I'm going to bother figuring out. I was only curious because I get email saying I'm not using Amazon music. jango.com or youtube playlists work for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WXsdApQIY4
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-14 12:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <r87eflx3sp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #231101 |
On 2025-05-14 05:20, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:03:33 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Anyway, I just tried in Firefox under Linux. It is playing, after saying >> no to subscribing (so it is just the basic option with Amazon Prime). I >> have Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc. and >> OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc. > > Okay. Probably not something I'm going to bother figuring out. I was only > curious because I get email saying I'm not using Amazon music. jango.com > or youtube playlists work for me. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WXsdApQIY4 Yes, same thing, I get those emails. My problem with it is that it doesn't remember what playlist I was playing, and where in it. I don't want to restart everyday from scratch (in the car). -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-12 22:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vvtsph$1b8s7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #231090 |
On Mon, 12 May 2025 20:41:19 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote: > I've never run across a bank app that wouldn't run on a rooted phone. > If your bank pulls that sort of nonsense, it's time to find a different > bank. Particularly since there’s no reliable way they can tell if it’s rooted or not.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 22:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <es3delxobs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230839 |
On 2025-05-01 15:05, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 12:24:11 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I don't think my bank does an app for Linux phones. >> >> You already have a “Linux phone”, as I pointed out. > > The desire is for a phone running linux. Not android on top > of linux. Of course. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 21:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv0q8g$3i4p7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230866 |
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:58:22 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> The desire is for a phone running linux. Not android on top of linux. > > Of course. Android *is* just a layer on top of Linux.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 00:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv1426$2as59$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #230870 |
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:49:04 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:58:22 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>> The desire is for a phone running linux. Not android on top of >>> linux. >> >> Of course. > > Android *is* just a layer on top of Linux. Android is just another Linux distribution -- like ChromeOS. -- -Scott System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.4 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Pardon me, waiter. I like my water diluted."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 02:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <rrgdelxbc4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #230870 |
On 2025-05-01 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:58:22 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>> The desire is for a phone running linux. Not android on top of linux. >> >> Of course. > > Android *is* just a layer on top of Linux. A layer that hides Linux entirely, so what the result is Android, not Linux. The user doesn't have the control. The user can not run fdisk, edit fstab, change the boot options, whatever. The user is very restricted. Common, don't be daft, you know this already. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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