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| Started by | "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| First post | 2016-06-09 17:58 +0100 |
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So, what was your computer birthplace? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-09 17:58 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 13:36 -0500
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2016-06-09 12:02 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 12:27 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-09 20:15 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? artie <artie.m@gNOSPAMmail.com> - 2016-06-09 14:53 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-11 20:32 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-06-10 00:24 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-10 02:38 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-06-10 03:59 -0300
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 06:58 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-10 11:22 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-06-10 09:52 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-10 11:49 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-10 11:23 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-06-10 12:45 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-10 12:57 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-06-10 13:57 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-10 14:35 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-10 13:30 +0200
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-06-10 12:10 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-06-10 17:09 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-06-10 19:25 +0200
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-10 22:28 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-11 10:48 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-11 13:01 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-11 17:39 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-13 14:25 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-13 17:47 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-13 18:37 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-11 13:12 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-11 18:07 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-13 14:36 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-13 18:28 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-11 15:48 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-11 22:45 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-11 13:15 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-11 14:22 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-11 22:17 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-11 15:48 -0700
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-12 09:18 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 07:01 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-12 11:09 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 07:24 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-06-12 12:37 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-12 11:46 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-12 11:44 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-12 15:55 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-12 15:15 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? mick <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-12 14:29 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-06-12 15:35 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-12 15:51 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Renaissance <unknown@unknown.invalid> - 2016-06-13 09:59 +0200
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Renaissance <unknown@unknown.invalid> - 2016-06-13 10:06 +0200
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Renaissance <unknown@unknown.invalid> - 2016-06-17 16:11 +0200
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-06-13 17:27 -0500
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-16 19:27 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-17 12:41 +0000
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-17 16:55 -0400
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2016-06-17 14:16 +0100
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-06-17 08:22 -0500
Re: So, what was your computer birthplace? Jim Rymarczyk - 2016-06-17 08:35 -0500
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 09:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #164931 |
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: > >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified instructions and >> effects in restricted mode. > > Wow! That is an advanced project. It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved my degree). The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - the original design did not allow proper virtualisation. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 07:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31c70b2332d3271f98a24a@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #164934 |
In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... > > On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: > > > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: > > > >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a > >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified instructions and > >> effects in restricted mode. > > > > Wow! That is an advanced project. > > It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved my > degree). > > The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - the > original design did not allow proper virtualisation. If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I want to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of learning despite the school instead of because of it? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 11:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #164935 |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... >> >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: >> >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: >> > >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified instructions >> >> and effects in restricted mode. >> > >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. >> >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved my >> degree). >> >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - the >> original design did not allow proper virtualisation. > > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I want > to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of learning despite > the school instead of because of it? > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a plotter interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just very keen. I think I still have the drawings somewhere. Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 07:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31c71067d3f28bf498a24c@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #164936 |
In article <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: > > > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... > >> > >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: > >> > >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: > >> > > >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a > >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified instructions > >> >> and effects in restricted mode. > >> > > >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. > >> > >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved my > >> degree). > >> > >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - the > >> original design did not allow proper virtualisation. > > > > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I want > > to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of learning despite > > the school instead of because of it? > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue > stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My > vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a plotter > interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just very keen. > > I think I still have the drawings somewhere. > > Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. Compulsory vacation project? Definitely a different approach from US colleges, at least the ones I've attended. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 12:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v0iqlb5ck7eh5t1kppmovoc3lcsjjfg1l4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #164937 |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:24:29 -0400, "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >In article <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... >> >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >> >> > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... >> >> >> >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a >> >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified instructions >> >> >> and effects in restricted mode. >> >> > >> >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. >> >> >> >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved my >> >> degree). >> >> >> >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - the >> >> original design did not allow proper virtualisation. >> > >> > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I want >> > to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of learning despite >> > the school instead of because of it? >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue >> stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My >> vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a plotter >> interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just very keen. >> >> I think I still have the drawings somewhere. >> >> Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. > >Compulsory vacation project? Definitely a different approach from US >colleges, at least the ones I've attended. > It my experience vacation work was advisory rather than compulsory. Even so I never got around to doing any! Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 11:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ds50d1Feav1U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #164938 |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:37:44 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:24:29 -0400, "J. Clarke" > <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >>In article <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... >>> >>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >>> >>> > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx >>> > says... >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a >>> >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified >>> >> >> instructions and effects in restricted mode. >>> >> > >>> >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. >>> >> >>> >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved >>> >> my degree). >>> >> >>> >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - >>> >> the original design did not allow proper virtualisation. >>> > >>> > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I >>> > want to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of >>> > learning despite the school instead of because of it? >>> > >>> > --- >>> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue >>> stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My >>> vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a >>> plotter interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just >>> very keen. >>> >>> I think I still have the drawings somewhere. >>> >>> Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. >> >>Compulsory vacation project? Definitely a different approach from US >>colleges, at least the ones I've attended. >> >> > It my experience vacation work was advisory rather than compulsory. > Even so I never got around to doing any! This was specifically for the vacation preceding the final year. One had to actually attend the university (or do a VERY detailed essay, which was anathema to science students). My vacation work was mainly working in a service station in my first year. I then had a job working in the computer centre of the university nearest home (4 miles away) as an operator and programmer. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 11:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ds509dFeav1U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #164937 |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:24:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: > In article <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... >> >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >> >> > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx >> > says... >> >> >> >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a >> >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified >> >> >> instructions and effects in restricted mode. >> >> > >> >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. >> >> >> >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved >> >> my degree). >> >> >> >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - >> >> the original design did not allow proper virtualisation. >> > >> > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I >> > want to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of learning >> > despite the school instead of because of it? >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue >> stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My >> vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a >> plotter interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just >> very keen. >> >> I think I still have the drawings somewhere. >> >> Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. > > Compulsory vacation project? Definitely a different approach from US > colleges, at least the ones I've attended. Long gone now. It only lasted until the mid 1970s. We were given a small cash grant to cover costs; I seem to remember that it covered rent, and a pint of milk, each day. Food was down to us! -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 15:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20160612155522.a053b231d8f62a062ac8d5bb@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #164937 |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:24:29 -0400 "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx says... > > > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: > > > > > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx > > > says... > > >> > > >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: > > >> > > >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a > > >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified > > >> >> instructions and effects in restricted mode. > > >> > > > >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. > > >> > > >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what saved > > >> my degree). > > >> > > >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM - > > >> the original design did not allow proper virtualisation. > > > > > > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I want > > > to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of learning > > > despite the school instead of because of it? > > > > > > --- > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue > > stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My > > vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a > > plotter interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just > > very keen. > > > > I think I still have the drawings somewhere. > > > > Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. > > Compulsory vacation project? Definitely a different approach from US > colleges, at least the ones I've attended. It wasn't common in the UK, at least in the normal course of things but it wasn't unusual if you were switching subjects to have to do a transition course of some kind in the summer vac - usually quite short. I had a three week one switching from maths to computer science which included an infamous FORTRAN in three days section (by the end of which we had an essay to write on the differences between FORTRAN II and FORTRAN IV). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 15:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ds5ckuFeav1U8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #164947 |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:55:22 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:24:29 -0400 "J. Clarke" > <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article <ds4u6mFeav1U3@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx >> says... >> > >> > On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 07:01:40 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: >> > >> > > In article <ds4nmuFeav1U1@mid.individual.net>, news0006@eager.cx >> > > says... >> > >> >> > >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:48:03 -0700, Quadibloc wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:17:17 PM UTC-6, Bob Eager wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> One of my most interesting projects was modifying the CPU on a >> > >> >> Honeywell 516. Backwards compatible, but some modified >> > >> >> instructions and effects in restricted mode. >> > >> > >> > >> > Wow! That is an advanced project. >> > >> >> > >> It was my final year undergraduate project (and probably what >> > >> saved my degree). >> > >> >> > >> The modifications were largely to allow one to create a proper VM >> > >> - >> > >> the original design did not allow proper virtualisation. >> > > >> > > If you learned how to do that sort of thing as an undergraduate I >> > > want to have gone to wherever you went. Or was it a case of >> > > learning despite the school instead of because of it? >> > > >> > > --- >> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> > > software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >> > I was actually studying Electronics. I wasn't very good at analogue >> > stuff! And then I became hooked on computing in my spare time. My >> > vacation project (compulsory) at the end of the second year was a >> > plotter interface - which was spectacularly awful. I guess I was just >> > very keen. >> > >> > I think I still have the drawings somewhere. >> > >> > Oh, University of Kent, Canterbury, UK. >> >> Compulsory vacation project? Definitely a different approach from US >> colleges, at least the ones I've attended. > > It wasn't common in the UK, at least in the normal course of > things but it wasn't unusual if you were switching subjects to have to > do a transition course of some kind in the summer vac - usually quite > short. I had a three week one switching from maths to computer science > which included an infamous FORTRAN in three days section (by the end of > which we had an essay to write on the differences between FORTRAN II and > FORTRAN IV). Mine wasn't transition - it was compulsory in every subject! -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | mick <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 14:29 +0000 |
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:58:22 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote: > Apart from the FORTRAN for engineers course in 1969, > My exposure was to PDP11 and PDP8 in their naked format, > so that I had complete control and understanding of the machine, > and, even when I progressed to RSX-11, I had complete knowledge of the > source and workings of it, having been on the systems programmer course > at the Butts centre in Reading in 1978. > > The result of all that exposure was that I feel uneasy with any computer > system where I am not in complete control or lack knowledge about what > is hiding under the API with which I interact, and it is that sense of > unease that motivates me for my language and OS ideas. My very first computing experience was building a simple analogue computer from pots and a meter while at school. It sort of worked. :) After that is was a Nascom-1 kit in 1979 (I think). You got a big PCB, a bag of components, a pre-built keyboard and 2 instruction books. The power supply was an optional extra! The instruction books were the assembly manual (also known as "the easy book") and the programming manual (known as "the hard book"). Output was to a TV via an RF modulator. All programmed in Z80 code using an on-board 1k machine code monitor. That beastie ended up with all sorts of expansion and mods. :) (more information: www.nascom.info )
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| From | Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 15:35 +0100 |
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On 12 Jun 2016 14:29:49 GMT, mick <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:58:22 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote: > >> Apart from the FORTRAN for engineers course in 1969, >> My exposure was to PDP11 and PDP8 in their naked format, >> so that I had complete control and understanding of the machine, >> and, even when I progressed to RSX-11, I had complete knowledge of the >> source and workings of it, having been on the systems programmer course >> at the Butts centre in Reading in 1978. >> >> The result of all that exposure was that I feel uneasy with any computer >> system where I am not in complete control or lack knowledge about what >> is hiding under the API with which I interact, and it is that sense of >> unease that motivates me for my language and OS ideas. > > >My very first computing experience was building a simple analogue >computer from pots and a meter while at school. It sort of worked. :) > >After that is was a Nascom-1 kit in 1979 (I think). You got a big PCB, a >bag of components, a pre-built keyboard and 2 instruction books. The >power supply was an optional extra! The instruction books were the >assembly manual (also known as "the easy book") and the programming >manual (known as "the hard book"). Output was to a TV via an RF modulator. >All programmed in Z80 code using an on-board 1k machine code monitor. > >That beastie ended up with all sorts of expansion and mods. :) >(more information: www.nascom.info ) Mine was probably the main cause of my divorce! Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 15:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20160612155109.64cfe1f147c4b5ccb93eebf7@eircom.net> |
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:58:22 +0100 "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote: > Apart from the FORTRAN for engineers course in 1969, > My exposure was to PDP11 and PDP8 in their naked format, Mine came in 1973 when one of our maths teachers asked who would like to be introduced to "the computer". It wasn't a computer, as we soon learned, it was a teletype on which we could prepare BASIC programs on paper tapes to be sent to the computer at the local tech that evening and the results returned the following evening. Then I found out that I could go visit the machine any evening (there was an open hour), put my programs on decks of cards, walk in put my cards in the hopper, wait and collect my printout from the 1403. Then things got even better - I could book the machine and have it all to myself for an hour once a week. The machine was an IBM 1130, with a 1442 card reader punch, a 1403 printer and a paper tape reader/punch which IIRC wasn't IBM. After I found my way to it I taught myself FORTRAN and then 1130 assembler. Then there was a pause while I concentrated on A-Levels, entrance exams and some fascinating work in the Cavendish Labs before I wound up working my break year in a Tandy franchise just in time to be handed one of the first TRS-80s in the country and told to see what I could do with it to make a demonstration. Then I went to university and met the 370 there and actually learned about computing. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Renaissance <unknown@unknown.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 09:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <njlp4o$8l5$1@virtdiesel.mng.cu.mi.it> |
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Il 09/06/2016 18.58, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 ha scritto: > The result of all that exposure was that I feel uneasy with any > computer system where I am not in complete control or lack > knowledge about what is hiding under the API with which I interact, > and it is that sense of unease that motivates me for my language and OS > ideas. 1983, pdp-11/23, rsx-11m+, 12 vt100s. Fortran, Pascal, Assembly. 1983, Commodore 64, basic, assembly. 1986, First ibm pc compatible, i386 25mhz, 4mb ram, ms-dos 4.1 - 5, windows 3.0 - 3.1, sco xenix 386. bye G.L. -- Da i.d.c.tutela: P.S. Quando ci sarà lo switch-off, avrò problemi anche col monitor del PC? Ho visto che è collegato in modalità analogica.
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| From | Renaissance <unknown@unknown.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 10:06 +0200 |
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Il 13/06/2016 9.59, Renaissance ha scritto: > 1986, First ibm pc compatible, i386 25mhz, 4mb ram, ms-dos 4.1 - 5, > windows 3.0 - 3.1, sco xenix 386. Errata corrige: 1989. bye G.L. -- Da i.d.c.tutela: P.S. Quando ci sarà lo switch-off, avrò problemi anche col monitor del PC? Ho visto che è collegato in modalità analogica.
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| From | Renaissance <unknown@unknown.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 16:11 +0200 |
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Il 13/06/2016 10.06, Renaissance ha scritto: 1984-1985: nbs-z80 nanocomputer, z80 assembly, hex z80 programming and interfacing: http://www.introni.it/pdf/Nichols%20-%20Nanobook%20Z80%20-%20Vol%203.pdf 1986-1988: at the Campus, Unix System V on NEC mini (I don't remember which serie, it was a multiprocessor system Motorola 68010 + MMU based), Pascal. bye G.L. -- Da i.d.c.tutela: P.S. Quando ci sarà lo switch-off, avrò problemi anche col monitor del PC? Ho visto che è collegato in modalità analogica.
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| From | Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-06-13 17:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <VZ6dnV7TW4XarsLKnZ2dnUU7-XPNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
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gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote: > Apart from the FORTRAN for engineers course in 1969, > My exposure was to PDP11 and PDP8 in their naked format, > so that I had complete control and understanding of the machine, > and, even when I progressed to RSX-11, I had complete knowledge > of the source and workings of it, having been on the systems > programmer course at the Butts centre in Reading in 1978. > > The result of all that exposure was that I feel uneasy with any > computer system where I am not in complete control or lack > knowledge about what is hiding under the API with which I interact, > and it is that sense of unease that motivates me for my language and OS > ideas. That doesn't bother me a bit, unless I'm hooking up bit-flipping hardware to it. Then I need to know more about the underlying construction. I found the Beagle Bone to be really good in this regard. For higher-level stuff, program in C or whatever language you like. For low-level stuff that needs to be fast, you can use the PRU, a pair of 200 MHz 32-bit microcontrollers that have direct access to a small number of I/O pins. I emulated an old PC with DMA card using the PRU, and was able to unpack run-length compressed bit strings and feed them to a laser diode at 5 us/pixel. You couldn't do that reliably with the ARM processor in the Linux user environment. If you want to go back to the PDP-11 console mode programming, SIMH is quite good. I showed my kids how a computer really worked with that. Jon
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-16 19:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mddwplo1zqe.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #164853 |
1968-69: 1401 - FORTRAN IV; System/360 - COBOL, PL/1
summer 1969: System/360 assembler
1969-1970: System/360 - Coursewriter III, APL\360; IBM 1800 - Coursewriter II, APL\1500
autumn 1970: CDC 6600 - COMPASS; System/370 introduction
1973-1975: System/360 - Coursewriter III, COBOL, PL/I (Optimizer and Checkout), Assembler
1977-1978: DEC-20 - BASIC+2; System/370 - VSBASIC; worked in PL/1
1978: ported Tiny Pascal (BYTE) from Northstar BASIC to TOPS-20 BASIC+2;
beginning Lisp romance
1979-1982: financial applications on Amdahl 470 in COBOL and PL/I;
wrote indirect cost system for University of Chicago in System/1022 on DEC-20
1982-1984: systems programming under SVS on Amdahl 470 and MVS on 4341;
systems programming under TOPS-20 v4 and v5.1 on DEC-20
1984-present: systems and applications programming under TOPS-20
2003-present: systems and applications programming under Tops-10
2013: applications programming under OS/8
2014-present: systems and applications programming under WAITS
2016: initial systems work under VM/370
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 12:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <peS8z.275$oD2.95@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #165357 |
Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: >1968-69: 1401 - FORTRAN IV; System/360 - COBOL, PL/1 >summer 1969: System/360 assembler >1969-1970: System/360 - Coursewriter III, APL\360; IBM 1800 - Coursewriter II, APL\1500 >autumn 1970: CDC 6600 - COMPASS; System/370 introduction >1973-1975: System/360 - Coursewriter III, COBOL, PL/I (Optimizer and Checkout), Assembler >1977-1978: DEC-20 - BASIC+2; System/370 - VSBASIC; worked in PL/1 >1978: ported Tiny Pascal (BYTE) from Northstar BASIC to TOPS-20 BASIC+2; > beginning Lisp romance >1979-1982: financial applications on Amdahl 470 in COBOL and PL/I; > wrote indirect cost system for University of Chicago in System/1022 on DEC-20 >1982-1984: systems programming under SVS on Amdahl 470 and MVS on 4341; > systems programming under TOPS-20 v4 and v5.1 on DEC-20 >1984-present: systems and applications programming under TOPS-20 >2003-present: systems and applications programming under Tops-10 >2013: applications programming under OS/8 >2014-present: systems and applications programming under WAITS >2016: initial systems work under VM/370 Have you done any programming on the V380 yet?
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 16:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mddh9cr8rhv.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #165393 |
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
>> 1968-69: 1401 - FORTRAN IV; System/360 - COBOL, PL/1
>> summer 1969: System/360 assembler
>> 1969-1970: System/360 - Coursewriter III, APL\360; IBM 1800 - Coursewriter II, APL\1500
>> autumn 1970: CDC 6600 - COMPASS; System/370 introduction
>> 1973-1975: System/360 - Coursewriter III, COBOL, PL/I (Optimizer and Checkout), Assembler
>> 1977-1978: DEC-20 - BASIC+2; System/370 - VSBASIC; worked in PL/1
>> 1978: ported Tiny Pascal (BYTE) from Northstar BASIC to TOPS-20 BASIC+2;
>> beginning Lisp romance
>> 1979-1982: financial applications on Amdahl 470 in COBOL and PL/I;
>> wrote indirect cost system for University of Chicago in System/1022 on DEC-20
>> 1982-1984: systems programming under SVS on Amdahl 470 and MVS on 4341;
>> systems programming under TOPS-20 v4 and v5.1 on DEC-20
>> 1984-present: systems and applications programming under TOPS-20
>> 2003-present: systems and applications programming under Tops-10
>> 2013: applications programming under OS/8
>> 2014-present: systems and applications programming under WAITS
>> 2016: initial systems work under VM/370
> Have you done any programming on the V380 yet?
Not yet. I've had a couple of very large PDP-10 related projects taking most
of my time for the last couple of years.
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
the russet leaves of an autumn oak/inspire once again the failed poet/
to take up his pen/and essay to place his meagre words upon the page...
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| From | Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 14:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jet7mblmuqk20ralq4om0jicdlec19vns8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #165357 |
On 16 Jun 2016 19:27:21 -0400, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote: >1968-69: 1401 - FORTRAN IV; System/360 - COBOL, PL/1 >summer 1969: System/360 assembler >1969-1970: System/360 - Coursewriter III, APL\360; IBM 1800 - Coursewriter II, APL\1500 >autumn 1970: CDC 6600 - COMPASS; System/370 introduction >1973-1975: System/360 - Coursewriter III, COBOL, PL/I (Optimizer and Checkout), Assembler >1977-1978: DEC-20 - BASIC+2; System/370 - VSBASIC; worked in PL/1 >1978: ported Tiny Pascal (BYTE) from Northstar BASIC to TOPS-20 BASIC+2; > beginning Lisp romance >1979-1982: financial applications on Amdahl 470 in COBOL and PL/I; > wrote indirect cost system for University of Chicago in System/1022 on DEC-20 >1982-1984: systems programming under SVS on Amdahl 470 and MVS on 4341; > systems programming under TOPS-20 v4 and v5.1 on DEC-20 >1984-present: systems and applications programming under TOPS-20 >2003-present: systems and applications programming under Tops-10 >2013: applications programming under OS/8 >2014-present: systems and applications programming under WAITS >2016: initial systems work under VM/370 I wish I had kept a diary. Apart from starting as a mainframe engineer in 1969 and retiring in 2003 I've forgotten most of my working life! Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com
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