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PL/I advertising

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
Last post2016-05-25 15:07 -0700
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  PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 14:06 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-05-24 14:22 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-24 16:39 -0700
        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:47 +0200
          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:00 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-25 13:30 +0000
          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-05-25 16:12 +0000
          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:13 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 16:19 -0700
              Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 16:33 -0700
              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-26 12:07 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-26 16:22 -0400
                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-28 13:17 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:29 -0500
                    Re: PL/I advertising mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-29 10:03 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 15:16 +0200
                        Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-31 17:44 -0700
                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-31 19:22 -0700
                            Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-01 07:41 +0100
                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 10:49 +0200
                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 06:36 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-29 15:30 +0100
                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:56 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 14:24 -0500
            Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 06:54 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 06:50 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising Larry <lelmore76@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 15:29 -0700
        Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 08:45 -0500
        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-25 17:58 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-25 22:04 -0400
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-26 00:31 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-26 10:07 +0200
              Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-29 17:55 +0100
            Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-26 15:57 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-26 20:00 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-27 11:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-27 15:49 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-27 20:28 +0200
                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-28 13:18 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-28 17:53 +0200
                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-29 13:38 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 16:33 +0200
                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:26 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 18:52 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-05-31 14:10 -0700
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-01 12:57 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 22:19 -0400
                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-01 07:53 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 12:08 +0200
                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-01 11:10 +0100
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-01 10:22 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 13:51 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 14:22 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:11 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 02:52 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-01 17:03 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 11:31 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-02 15:09 +0200
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:41 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 15:49 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 10:06 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:18 +0200
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:26 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:16 +0200
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:28 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:43 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-04 11:08 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:14 +0200
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 16:39 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 17:18 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:53 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 10:20 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-06 09:04 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-06 10:23 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-07 08:59 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:25 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:11 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-08 10:34 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-08 11:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:39 -0700
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:00 -0700
                                                                  Dynamic adaptive resource management (was: PL/I advertising "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-06-09 08:45 -0700
                                                                    Re: Dynamic adaptive resource management (was: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:19 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-07 08:36 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:17 +0200
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 15:06 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 23:39 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:05 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 10:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:18 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:24 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 22:41 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:54 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:23 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 02:52 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 07:23 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:36 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 09:58 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:25 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:21 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:40 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 10:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 10:20 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:09 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:44 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 21:40 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 21:03 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 21:00 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 06:08 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-09 09:39 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:33 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:14 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:50 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-09 07:33 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:39 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:53 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:19 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:19 +0200
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:00 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:54 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 09:23 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 15:10 -0400
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 17:58 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 22:31 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 20:37 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 14:09 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 14:32 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:18 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 13:57 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 06:59 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 08:33 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 11:00 -0700
                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-01 12:59 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-01 17:43 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-06-01 13:35 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-02 08:13 +0100
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-06-02 02:13 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-24 11:30 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-24 17:55 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-24 20:21 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-24 18:26 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2016-06-24 21:01 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-25 05:42 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 07:38 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:32 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:07 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:17 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 08:39 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-28 17:23 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-27 19:25 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-27 19:28 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-27 23:16 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-25 07:24 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-25 07:45 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-25 08:02 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:12 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-28 10:35 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-28 14:27 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-28 12:04 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-28 15:21 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-28 21:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-29 12:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:33 -0700
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-29 17:42 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-25 07:31 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-25 07:02 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:12 +0200
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 16:28 +0200
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-26 13:10 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-27 15:40 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-28 22:40 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-28 22:49 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-28 20:25 -0500
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-29 10:08 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-29 19:27 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 18:57 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-29 17:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 23:04 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:27 +0000
                                                  PDP-10 ZORK [was Re: PL/I advertising] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:20 -0400
                                                    Re: PDP-10 ZORK [was Re: PL/I advertising] sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-06-28 00:22 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-01 13:47 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:46 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:45 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-01 17:42 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-01 16:09 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 12:57 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:57 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 15:17 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-02 20:44 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 13:51 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 22:16 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:43 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 20:24 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 13:48 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-02 20:53 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:25 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-03 07:50 +0100
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 10:36 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 11:38 +0100
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 11:25 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-03 21:10 +0100
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 11:28 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 12:59 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 05:44 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 05:40 -0700
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 10:16 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 07:37 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-03 17:16 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:38 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-04 06:16 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 07:12 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-04 08:52 +0100
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 14:06 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:46 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:03 +0200
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:50 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:39 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:30 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:27 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-06-05 10:04 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:47 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:20 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-03 09:40 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:40 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 10:51 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-04 15:40 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 16:25 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-04 17:59 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 19:06 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 12:31 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:51 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:50 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 14:13 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 13:24 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:44 +0100
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:14 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:07 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 22:22 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:53 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-03 17:16 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:37 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 14:19 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 21:21 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-03 17:04 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 10:54 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:03 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 12:08 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 10:29 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:47 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:51 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:06 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:05 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 15:25 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 06:12 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 09:45 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 07:42 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 13:24 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 10:01 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:48 +0100
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:29 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 14:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 19:47 -0400
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 07:58 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:30 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 10:13 +0100
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 10:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 12:04 +0100
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 11:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 12:45 +0100
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 11:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 13:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 14:57 +0100
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:17 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:21 +0200
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 14:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 09:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 07:26 -0400
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-08 12:00 +0000
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:33 -0700
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-07 18:08 -0500
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-08 12:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:45 -0700
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-08 19:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 18:17 -0500
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:50 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 09:56 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 12:39 +0100
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 12:28 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:02 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:27 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:28 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 21:02 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 03:04 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 22:42 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:11 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:26 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:07 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:39 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:39 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:51 -0500
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 22:10 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 18:21 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 23:02 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 23:57 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 09:25 +0100
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:05 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 20:18 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:44 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:49 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-09 07:03 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:42 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:32 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:04 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:08 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:13 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 10:00 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 18:42 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-05 17:53 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:51 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:45 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:53 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 22:06 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:33 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 14:00 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:31 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-07 13:19 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:34 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-08 00:28 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:10 -0400
                                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-04 13:14 +0000
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#164567

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-05 09:45 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.31bdf70bd6d1bae498a21e@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#164566
In article <acca087c-be8f-43ba-b2f5-4da48cfa978f@googlegroups.com>, 
jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> 
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:51:34 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
> > I can't day "hate", but there are things I don't like much. Having the FP
> > registers as a stack and the GP regs as not is just complicating.  I'd
> > rather have all one way or the other.  Of course the x86 doesn't have
> > enough registers, and some of them are not like the others.
> 
> My own personal aesthetic preference is for architectures like the Motorola 680x0 
> and the System/360, but I realize that today we need RISC architectures to avoid 
> having to use register renaming to cope with today's deep pipelines.

And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
Instruction Set Computer.

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#164587

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-05 07:42 -0700
Message-ID<5e76ae3f-5810-4cb5-9dcc-3950f9bb04f2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#164567
On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 7:45:51 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <acca087c-be8f-43ba-b2f5-4da48cfa978f@googlegroups.com>, 
> jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> > On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:51:34 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:

> > > I can't day "hate", but there are things I don't like much. Having the FP
> > > registers as a stack and the GP regs as not is just complicating.  I'd
> > > rather have all one way or the other.  Of course the x86 doesn't have
> > > enough registers, and some of them are not like the others.

> > My own personal aesthetic preference is for architectures like the Motorola 680x0 
> > and the System/360, but I realize that today we need RISC architectures to avoid 
> > having to use register renaming to cope with today's deep pipelines.

> And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
> Instruction Set Computer.

Well, that's what runs the great mass of software written for Microsoft Windows.

That is something that can't really be changed.

John Savard

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#164605

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-05 13:24 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.31be2a678bf269e598a220@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#164587
In article <5e76ae3f-5810-4cb5-9dcc-3950f9bb04f2@googlegroups.com>, 
jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> 
> On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 7:45:51 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <acca087c-be8f-43ba-b2f5-4da48cfa978f@googlegroups.com>, 
> > jsavard@ecn.ab.ca says...
> > > On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 6:51:34 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
> > > > I can't day "hate", but there are things I don't like much. Having the FP
> > > > registers as a stack and the GP regs as not is just complicating.  I'd
> > > > rather have all one way or the other.  Of course the x86 doesn't have
> > > > enough registers, and some of them are not like the others.
> 
> > > My own personal aesthetic preference is for architectures like the Motorola 680x0 
> > > and the System/360, but I realize that today we need RISC architectures to avoid 
> > > having to use register renaming to cope with today's deep pipelines.
> 
> > And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
> > Instruction Set Computer.
> 
> Well, that's what runs the great mass of software written for Microsoft Windows.

And for OS/X and for Linux.  And the supercomputers are not running 
Windows as far as I know, but 7 of the top 10 are x86.
 
> That is something that can't really be changed.
> 
> John Savard

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#164603

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-06-05 10:01 -0700
Message-ID<vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com>
In reply to#164567
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
>Instruction Set Computer.

     A descriptive swipe.

     We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
          Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
               That last word does not quite fit.
Can you better my effort?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#164616

From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-05 18:48 +0100
Message-ID<nj1olb$5fi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#164603
"Gene Wirchenko" <genew@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>Instruction Set Computer.
>
>     A descriptive swipe.
>
>     We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>          Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>               That last word does not quite fit.
> Can you better my effort?

Well, now that the 386isation rendered most of the registers general purpose 
...

Brilliant Intuitive Standard Computer Usage Ideally Thought-up

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#164618

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-05 14:29 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.31be39ad547b979d98a222@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#164603
In article <vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net 
says...
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
> >Instruction Set Computer.
> 
>      A descriptive swipe.
> 
>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>                That last word does not quite fit.
> Can you better my effort?


How about "Baroque Instruction Set Computer Ubiquitous In Technology"?

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#164621

FromGene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
Date2016-06-05 14:06 -0700
Message-ID<t159lb9dk56vt5o4tijge3jjiuq94n1m1r@4ax.com>
In reply to#164618
On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:29:52 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net 
>says...
>> 
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>> 
>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>> 
>>      A descriptive swipe.
>> 
>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>> Can you better my effort?
>How about "Baroque Instruction Set Computer Ubiquitous In Technology"?

     I would prefer something other than "Technology", but "Ubiqitous"
is better than my "Used".

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#164662

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
Message-ID<PM0005349BEF72BF4C@aca407c0.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#164621
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:29:52 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net
>>says...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>
>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>
>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>> Can you better my effort?
>>How about "Baroque Instruction Set Computer Ubiquitous In Technology"?
>
>      I would prefer something other than "Technology", but "Ubiqitous"
> is better than my "Used".

Treacle?

/BAH

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#164716

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 19:47 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.31bfd5a3c6ffcf2598a22d@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#164662
In article <PM0005349BEF72BF4C@aca407c0.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com 
says...
> 
> Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:29:52 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> > <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net
> >>says...
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> >>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [snip]
> >>>
> >>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
> >>> >Instruction Set Computer.
> >>>
> >>>      A descriptive swipe.
> >>>
> >>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
> >>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
> >>>                That last word does not quite fit.
> >>> Can you better my effort?
> >>How about "Baroque Instruction Set Computer Ubiquitous In Technology"?
> >
> >      I would prefer something other than "Technology", but "Ubiqitous"
> > is better than my "Used".
> 
> Treacle?

I'd have bought that one once but I have trouble associating treacle 
with anything that can pound a Cray XM-P to the mat.
 
> /BAH

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#164727

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
Message-ID<PM000534AF224524C6@aca202b4.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#164716
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <PM0005349BEF72BF4C@aca407c0.ipt.aol.com>, See.above@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:29:52 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>> > <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <vem8lb9ahnlfcdfklps9fb0r9o0d3nf9vr@4ax.com>, genew@telus.net
>> >>says...
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>> >>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>>
>> >>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>> >>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>> >>>
>> >>>      A descriptive swipe.
>> >>>
>> >>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>> >>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>> >>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>> >>> Can you better my effort?
>> >>How about "Baroque Instruction Set Computer Ubiquitous In Technology"?
>> >
>> >      I would prefer something other than "Technology", but "Ubiqitous"
>> > is better than my "Used".
>>
>> Treacle?
>
> I'd have bought that one once but I have trouble associating treacle
> with anything that can pound a Cray XM-P to the mat.

Think of those chemistry runs :-).

/BAH

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#164733

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-06-07 07:58 -0700
Message-ID<34ee9ffc-a2eb-41a7-80cd-5d8fae2fa74e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#164716
On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 5:47:38 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> I'd have bought that one once but I have trouble associating treacle 
> with anything that can pound a Cray XM-P to the mat.

Until you install a Microsoft operating system on it...

John Savard

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#164642

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-06-06 09:30 +0100
Message-ID<20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net>
In reply to#164603
On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque 
> >Instruction Set Computer.
> 
>      A descriptive swipe.
> 
>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>                That last word does not quite fit.
> Can you better my effort?

	Trepidation ?

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#164643

From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-06 10:13 +0100
Message-ID<nj3esi$7c5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#164642
"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700
> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>> Can you better my effort?
>
> Trepidation ?


The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated bit-by-bit
encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult the construction
of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original source

Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
one bit in from the LHS (most significant)

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#164648

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-06-06 10:14 +0000
Message-ID<drl0o6FmspuU58@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#164643
On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:13:47 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:

> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
> news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>> Can you better my effort?
>>
>> Trepidation ?
> 
> 
> The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated
> bit-by-bit encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult
> the construction of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original
> source

But that's only a problem for a very limited audience. It's the same on 
many other architectures.

> Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
> one bit in from the LHS (most significant)

Yes. There's also (historically) the Z80, which fitted the enhancements 
over the 8085 into spare space, making the instruction encoding really 
random!

Even the AVR, I notice, has a bizarre encoding of the 8 bit 'load 
immediate' instruction, with two separate 4 bit fields in the instruction 
word that have to be concatenated (and it only works on the *upper* 16 
registers).

That's one good thing about the PDP-8 - mostly.



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#164650

From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-06 12:04 +0100
Message-ID<nj3lc0$skl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#164648
"Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message 
news:drl0o6FmspuU58@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:13:47 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:
>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>> news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>>> Can you better my effort?
>>> Trepidation ?
>> The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated
>> bit-by-bit encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult
>> the construction of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original
>> source
> But that's only a problem for a very limited audience. It's the same on
> many other architectures.
>> Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
>> one bit in from the LHS (most significant)
> Yes. There's also (historically) the Z80, which fitted the enhancements
> over the 8085 into spare space, making the instruction encoding really
> random!
> Even the AVR, I notice, has a bizarre encoding of the 8 bit 'load
> immediate' instruction, with two separate 4 bit fields in the instruction
> word that have to be concatenated (and it only works on the *upper* 16
> registers).
>
> That's one good thing about the PDP-8 - mostly.

... and the only bad, or non-futurable, thing was the storing of subroutine 
return
addresses in the code.


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#164651

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-06-06 11:27 +0000
Message-ID<drl51mFmspuU61@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#164650
On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:04:25 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:

> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
> news:drl0o6FmspuU58@mid.individual.net...
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:13:47 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:
>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>>>> Can you better my effort?
>>>> Trepidation ?
>>> The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated
>>> bit-by-bit encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult
>>> the construction of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original
>>> source
>> But that's only a problem for a very limited audience. It's the same on
>> many other architectures.
>>> Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
>>> one bit in from the LHS (most significant)
>> Yes. There's also (historically) the Z80, which fitted the enhancements
>> over the 8085 into spare space, making the instruction encoding really
>> random!
>> Even the AVR, I notice, has a bizarre encoding of the 8 bit 'load
>> immediate' instruction, with two separate 4 bit fields in the
>> instruction word that have to be concatenated (and it only works on the
>> *upper* 16 registers).
>>
>> That's one good thing about the PDP-8 - mostly.
> 
> ... and the only bad, or non-futurable, thing was the storing of
> subroutine return addresses in the code.

Yes, no chance of ROM-able code. But that really didn't become important 
until later, and the single chip version fixed that. The HD6120 added two 
stacks, and a way to push and pop the PC. It made subroutine calls two 
instructions instead of one, of course:

  JMS subr
   .
   .
  JMP I subr+1

became

  PPC1 (or PPC2)
  JMP subr
   .
   .
  RTN1 (or RTN2)





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#164652

From"gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2016-06-06 12:45 +0100
Message-ID<nj3np8$5gi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#164651
"Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message 
news:drl51mFmspuU61@mid.individual.net...
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:04:25 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:
>> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
>> news:drl0o6FmspuU58@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:13:47 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:
>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>>>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>>>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>>>>> Can you better my effort?
>>>>> Trepidation ?
>>>> The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated
>>>> bit-by-bit encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult
>>>> the construction of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original
>>>> source
>>> But that's only a problem for a very limited audience. It's the same on
>>> many other architectures.
>>>> Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
>>>> one bit in from the LHS (most significant)
>>> Yes. There's also (historically) the Z80, which fitted the enhancements
>>> over the 8085 into spare space, making the instruction encoding really
>>> random!
>>> Even the AVR, I notice, has a bizarre encoding of the 8 bit 'load
>>> immediate' instruction, with two separate 4 bit fields in the
>>> instruction word that have to be concatenated (and it only works on the
>>> *upper* 16 registers).
>>>
>>> That's one good thing about the PDP-8 - mostly.
>>
>> ... and the only bad, or non-futurable, thing was the storing of
>> subroutine return addresses in the code.
>
> Yes, no chance of ROM-able code. But that really didn't become important
> until later, and the single chip version fixed that. The HD6120 added two
> stacks, and a way to push and pop the PC. It made subroutine calls two
> instructions instead of one, of course:
>
>  JMS subr
>   .
>   .
>  JMP I subr+1

Pardon my ignorance or senior moment, but that "+1" doesn't belong there, 
surely?

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#164653

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-06-06 11:48 +0000
Message-ID<drl68vFmspuU62@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#164652
On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:45:37 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:

> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
> news:drl51mFmspuU61@mid.individual.net...
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:04:25 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:
>>> "Bob Eager" <news0006@eager.cx> wrote in message
>>> news:drl0o6FmspuU58@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 10:13:47 +0100, gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 wrote:
>>>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as
>>>>>>> >BISC--Baroque Instruction Set Computer.
>>>>>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>>>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>>>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>>>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>>>>>> Can you better my effort?
>>>>>> Trepidation ?
>>>>> The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated
>>>>> bit-by-bit encoding of the instruction set which makes more
>>>>> difficult the construction of compilers and decompilers to recreate
>>>>> the original source
>>>> But that's only a problem for a very limited audience. It's the same
>>>> on many other architectures.
>>>>> Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field,
>>>>> but one bit in from the LHS (most significant)
>>>> Yes. There's also (historically) the Z80, which fitted the
>>>> enhancements over the 8085 into spare space, making the instruction
>>>> encoding really random!
>>>> Even the AVR, I notice, has a bizarre encoding of the 8 bit 'load
>>>> immediate' instruction, with two separate 4 bit fields in the
>>>> instruction word that have to be concatenated (and it only works on
>>>> the *upper* 16 registers).
>>>>
>>>> That's one good thing about the PDP-8 - mostly.
>>>
>>> ... and the only bad, or non-futurable, thing was the storing of
>>> subroutine return addresses in the code.
>>
>> Yes, no chance of ROM-able code. But that really didn't become
>> important until later, and the single chip version fixed that. The
>> HD6120 added two stacks, and a way to push and pop the PC. It made
>> subroutine calls two instructions instead of one, of course:
>>
>>  JMS subr
>>   .
>>   .
>>  JMP I subr+1
> 
> Pardon my ignorance or senior moment, but that "+1" doesn't belong
> there,
> surely?

Oops. You are right!

Ah, I was unconsciously thinking of where the JMS went....




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#164655

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-06-06 13:08 +0200
Message-ID<l62g2d-0b1.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#164643
In article <nj3esi$7c5$1@dont-email.me>,
gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
>news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700
>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>> Can you better my effort?
>>
>> Trepidation ?
>
>
>The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated bit-by-bit
>encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult the construction
>of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original source

It is the overall lack of orthogonality that gets to me. You have to
keep remembering what registers are used for what. And there is no
system to this, you just have to know it. At least that is how I 
remember it.

>Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
>one bit in from the LHS (most significant)

Mayby not, but I was of the impression it was somewhat more orthogonal.

-- mrr

   Having written some x86 assembly a long time ago. No ARM except for
some very simple examples.

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#164660

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-06-06 13:29 +0000
Message-ID<drlc4tFc6elU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#164655
On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 13:08:37 +0200, Morten Reistad wrote:

> In article <nj3esi$7c5$1@dont-email.me>,
> gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339 <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>>"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>news:20160606093005.15764d57e27fe6aee4525b00@eircom.net...
>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:01:59 -0700 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:45:39 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >And yet x86 rules the world and could be described as BISC--Baroque
>>>> >Instruction Set Computer.
>>>>      A descriptive swipe.
>>>>      We need an acronynm BISCUIT:
>>>>           Baroque Instruction Set Computer Used In Technology
>>>>                That last word does not quite fit.
>>>> Can you better my effort?
>>>
>>> Trepidation ?
>>
>>
>>The only bugbear with the X86 instruction set is the complicated
>>bit-by-bit encoding of the instruction set which makes more difficult
>>the construction of compilers and decompilers to recreate the original
>>source
> 
> It is the overall lack of orthogonality that gets to me. You have to
> keep remembering what registers are used for what. And there is no
> system to this, you just have to know it. At least that is how I
> remember it.
> 
>>Mind you, the ARM isn't much better, with a nice 4-bit hex field, but
>>one bit in from the LHS (most significant)
> 
> Mayby not, but I was of the impression it was somewhat more orthogonal.
> 
> -- mrr
> 
>    Having written some x86 assembly a long time ago. No ARM except for
> some very simple examples.

There is nothing wrong with special purpose registers. There are more 
architectures with those than with a bunch of general purpose ones.

And even with general purpose registers, the OS often dedicates  afew so 
they aren't really available anyway.

My pet hate is lack of addressability. Who would use an architecture that 
only had 12 bits out of 32) avaialble for an address?



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