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PL/I advertising

Started byhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
First post2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
Last post2016-05-25 15:07 -0700
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  PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-24 14:06 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-05-24 14:22 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-24 16:39 -0700
        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-25 07:47 +0200
          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:00 -0700
      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-25 13:30 +0000
          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-05-25 16:12 +0000
          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:13 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 16:19 -0700
              Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 16:33 -0700
              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-26 12:07 -0700
                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-26 16:22 -0400
                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-28 13:17 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:29 -0500
                    Re: PL/I advertising mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-29 10:03 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 15:16 +0200
                        Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-31 17:44 -0700
                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-31 19:22 -0700
                            Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-01 07:41 +0100
                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 10:49 +0200
                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 06:36 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-29 15:30 +0100
                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:56 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 14:24 -0500
            Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 06:54 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 06:50 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising Larry <lelmore76@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 15:29 -0700
        Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 08:45 -0500
        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-25 17:58 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-25 22:04 -0400
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-26 00:31 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-26 10:07 +0200
              Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-29 17:55 +0100
            Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-26 15:57 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-26 20:00 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-27 11:55 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-27 15:49 +0100
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-27 20:28 +0200
                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-28 13:18 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-28 17:53 +0200
                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-29 13:38 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 16:33 +0200
                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:26 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 18:52 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-05-31 14:10 -0700
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-01 12:57 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 22:19 -0400
                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-01 07:53 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 12:08 +0200
                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-01 11:10 +0100
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-01 10:22 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 13:51 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 14:22 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:11 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 02:52 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-01 17:03 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 11:31 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-02 15:09 +0200
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:41 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 15:49 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 10:06 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:18 +0200
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:26 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:16 +0200
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:28 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:43 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-04 11:08 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:14 +0200
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:52 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 16:39 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 17:18 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:53 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 10:20 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-06 09:04 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-06 10:23 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-07 08:59 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:25 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:11 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-08 10:34 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-08 11:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:39 -0700
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:00 -0700
                                                                  Dynamic adaptive resource management (was: PL/I advertising "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2016-06-09 08:45 -0700
                                                                    Re: Dynamic adaptive resource management (was: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-09 10:19 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-07 08:36 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:17 +0200
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 15:06 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 23:39 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:05 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 10:14 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:18 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:24 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 22:41 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:54 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:23 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-07 02:52 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 07:23 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:36 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 09:58 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 10:41 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:25 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:21 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:40 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 10:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 10:20 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:09 +0200
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:44 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 21:40 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 21:03 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 21:00 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 06:08 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-09 09:39 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:33 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:14 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:50 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-09 07:33 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:39 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:53 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:19 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-07 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-07 12:19 +0200
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 14:00 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:54 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 09:23 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 15:10 -0400
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 17:58 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 22:31 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 20:37 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 14:09 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 14:32 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:18 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 13:57 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 06:59 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 08:33 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 11:00 -0700
                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-01 12:59 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-01 17:43 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-06-01 13:35 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-02 08:13 +0100
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2016-06-02 02:13 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-24 11:30 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-24 17:55 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-24 20:21 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-24 18:26 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2016-06-24 21:01 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-25 05:42 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 07:38 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-25 14:32 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:07 -0400
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:17 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 08:39 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-28 17:23 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-27 19:25 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-27 19:28 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-27 23:16 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-25 07:24 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-25 07:45 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-25 08:02 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:12 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-28 10:35 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-28 14:27 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-28 12:04 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-28 15:21 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-28 21:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-29 12:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-29 08:33 -0700
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-29 17:42 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-25 07:31 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-25 07:02 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 12:12 +0200
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-25 13:10 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-25 16:28 +0200
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-26 13:10 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-27 15:40 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-28 22:40 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-28 22:49 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-28 20:25 -0500
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-29 10:08 +0000
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Mike Causer <m.r.causer@goglemail.com> - 2016-06-29 19:27 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 18:57 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-29 17:52 -0400
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 23:04 +0000
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-30 18:27 +0000
                                                  PDP-10 ZORK [was Re: PL/I advertising] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-27 16:20 -0400
                                                    Re: PDP-10 ZORK [was Re: PL/I advertising] sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-06-28 00:22 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-01 13:47 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:46 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:45 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-01 17:42 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-01 16:09 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 12:57 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:57 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 15:17 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-02 20:44 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 13:51 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-02 22:16 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:43 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-02 20:24 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-02 13:48 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-02 20:53 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:25 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-03 07:50 +0100
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 10:36 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 11:38 +0100
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 11:25 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-03 21:10 +0100
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 11:28 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 12:59 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 05:44 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 05:40 -0700
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 10:16 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-03 07:37 -0700
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-03 17:16 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:38 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-04 06:16 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 07:12 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-04 08:52 +0100
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 14:06 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:46 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:03 +0200
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:50 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:39 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:30 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-03 13:27 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-06-05 10:04 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:47 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:20 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-03 09:40 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:40 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 10:51 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-04 15:40 +0100
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 16:25 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-04 17:59 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 19:06 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 12:31 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:51 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 14:50 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-05 14:13 -0700
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 13:24 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:44 +0100
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:14 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:07 +0100
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 22:22 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:15 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:53 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-03 17:16 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 17:37 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 14:19 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-03 21:21 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-03 17:04 -0500
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 10:54 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:03 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 12:08 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 10:29 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:47 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:51 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:06 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:05 +0100
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 15:25 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:12 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 06:12 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 09:45 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 07:42 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 13:24 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 10:01 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:48 +0100
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:29 -0400
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 14:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 19:47 -0400
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 07:58 -0700
                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:30 +0100
                                                                Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 10:13 +0100
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 10:14 +0000
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 12:04 +0100
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 11:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 12:45 +0100
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 11:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 13:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 14:57 +0100
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:17 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:21 +0200
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 14:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 09:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 20:59 +0000
                                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 07:26 -0400
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2016-06-08 12:00 +0000
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:33 -0700
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-07 18:08 -0500
                                                                          Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-08 12:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:45 -0700
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-08 19:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: PL/I advertising JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 18:17 -0500
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:50 -0700
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-05 09:56 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 12:39 +0100
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-05 12:28 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:02 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-06 09:27 +0100
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:28 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 21:02 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-05 03:04 +0100
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-04 22:42 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:11 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:26 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:07 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:28 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:39 -0500
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:39 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-06-04 16:51 -0500
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 22:10 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 18:21 -0400
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 23:02 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-04 23:57 -0700
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 07:20 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-05 09:25 +0100
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-05 17:38 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:05 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-04 20:18 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 11:44 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:35 +0000
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 05:49 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-09 07:03 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-05 17:42 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:32 -0700
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 08:25 -0400
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 13:04 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:11 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 21:08 +0000
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-06 11:13 -0400
                                                        Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 16:13 +0000
                                                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-06 10:00 -0700
                                                            Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-06 18:42 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-05 17:53 -0400
                                                      Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 12:51 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:45 -0700
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:32 -0400
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-08 11:53 -0700
                                            Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 22:06 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-04 13:33 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-04 14:00 -0700
                                                Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:31 -0400
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-07 13:19 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-07 15:34 -0700
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-08 00:28 +0200
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:10 -0400
                                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-04 13:14 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 15:39 +0200
                                              Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-06 13:01 -0700
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-06-03 21:21 +0100
                                  Re: PL/I advertising "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-03 11:14 +0100
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-03 16:45 +0200
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-03 15:12 -0400
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 12:56 -0700
                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:05 +0200
                                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:09 +0200
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-09 17:27 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 06:58 -0400
                                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-10 11:42 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-16 17:07 -0400
                                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-17 12:53 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:52 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 16:41 -0400
                          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:44 -0700
                            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 23:50 -0700
                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:26 +0000
                          Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-31 16:09 -0400
                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-01 16:15 +0200
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-06-01 13:49 -0700
                                Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 17:34 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:44 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 12:47 +0200
                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-04 16:23 +0200
                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:19 +0200
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 18:12 +0200
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Rob Doyle <radioengr@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 02:15 -0700
                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:25 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 18:50 +0000
                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-02 15:18 +0200
                                  Re: PL/I advertising "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 20:17 -0400
                                Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 16:54 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-02 22:20 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:44 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-06-04 14:08 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:36 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 13:56 -0700
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:45 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-05-31 16:13 -0400
                          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-02 16:41 -0400
                                Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-02 19:19 -0400
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-04 02:45 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-04 13:44 +0000
                                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:55 +0000
                                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-09 08:26 +0000
                                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
                                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-17 03:37 +0000
                                                    Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-17 16:52 -0400
                                    Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-09 17:45 -0400
                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:56 +0000
                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2016-06-02 19:21 -0400
                            Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                              Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-05 14:31 +0000
                                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 20:58 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:18 -0400
                    Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:25 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:52 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                  Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-05-31 17:25 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-01 13:51 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 11:13 -0400
                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-02 12:09 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-02 09:41 -0700
                      Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-02 17:58 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-03 13:16 +0000
                          Re: PL/I advertising usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-05 07:29 +0000
                  Re: PL/I advertising Joe Chisolm <jchisolm6@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-31 13:37 -0500
                    Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-31 12:19 -0700
                      Re: PL/I advertising Joe Chisolm <jchisolm6@earthlink.net> - 2016-05-31 16:29 -0500
                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-01 07:04 -0400
                          Re: Penn Central PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-01 13:15 -0700
                            Re: Penn Central PL/I advertising "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-06-01 15:38 -0500
                              Re: Penn Central PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-06-03 13:44 -0700
                                Re: Penn Central PL/I advertising Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-06-03 16:40 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-26 16:22 -0400
              Re: PL/I advertising Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-05-26 20:32 -0400
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-26 18:50 -0700
                  Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-27 11:01 +0200
                    Re: PL/I advertising Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-27 13:36 +0100
                  Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-27 15:33 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-27 16:07 +0000
                      Re: PL/I advertising Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-27 19:20 +0000
                        Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-27 19:53 +0000
                          Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-05-27 20:55 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:18 -0400
                              Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-05-28 20:25 +0000
                                Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 14:39 +0000
                            Re: PL/I advertising scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-31 14:37 +0000
                  Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-04 22:28 -0500
                Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-27 10:51 +0200
                  Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-27 06:56 -0400
                    Re: PL/I advertising Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-27 15:51 +0100
                    Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-27 20:25 +0200
                      Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:18 -0400
                  Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-27 05:43 -0700
                    Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-28 15:18 -0400
                      Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-29 05:28 -0700
                        Re: PL/I advertising Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-29 15:26 +0200
                        Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 11:50 -0400
                    Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-04 22:39 -0500
          Re: PL/I advertising jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-26 12:23 +0000
            Re: PL/I advertising Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-26 15:56 -0400
          Re: PL/I advertising "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-04 22:21 -0500
            Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-05 05:38 -0700
            Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-29 17:53 +0100
              Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-29 18:58 +0000
                Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-30 07:20 -0700
                  Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-30 14:27 +0000
                    Re: PL/I advertising "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-06-30 22:29 +0100
                      Re: PL/I advertising Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-30 22:22 +0000
        Re: PL/I advertising hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-25 15:03 -0700
          Re: PL/I advertising Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-25 15:07 -0700

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#163878 — PL/I advertising

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-23 16:40 -0700
SubjectPL/I advertising
Message-ID<873a27e2-6baf-4772-9dc8-45a8f1bc466e@googlegroups.com>
IBM ran a few ads in C&A touting the usability of its PL/I compiler.

The ad copy is shown here.

MEET PL/I

C&A-1968-10


The story of how a single
language answers
the question, "Can a
young girl with no previous
programming
experience find happiness
handling bath
commercial and scientific
applications, without
resorting to an
assembler language?"

Let's face it. The cost of
programming just keeps
going up. So for some
time to come, how well
you do your job depends
on how programmers like
Susie Meyer do theirs.

That's the reason for
PL/I, the high-level language
for both scientific
and commercial applications.

With PL/I, programmers
don't have to learn
other high-level languages.
They can concentrate
more on the job, less
on the language.

So think about PL/I.
Not just in terms of
training, but in terms of
the total impact it can
have on your operation.

Take it a step at a time.
Programmers don't have
to learn all of PL/I to use
it. Take New York Life
Insurance Company for
'example. First programmer
trainees get a good
grounding in computer
basics. Then a combination
of PL/I self-study
courses and workshops
readies them to code
meaningful and useful
programs.

As the new programmers
gain skill and experience
they use other
parts of the language on
tougher problems. Most
importantly, they learn
while doing.

Freedom of expression!
That's what it's
all about. The same features
that make PL/I
easy to learn make it easy
to use. First of all, 
programming time can be
shortened by using a
single high-level language.
In most cases, assembler
languages aren't
even needed anymore.

There's also a feature
that simplifies coding for
inexperienced program-
mers. It automatically
makes a choice among al-
ternatives. The language
provides a new ease
of writing. It's neither
cryptic nor verbose. The
result is a new freedom
of expression - freedom
from arbitrary language
restrictions-freedom to
concentrate on application
development.

A bright future for
Susie. PL/I has growth
built in. As your system
grows, PL/I will grow
right along with it. 

Continued growth of
PL/I means a brighter
future for your programmers.
It also means continued
use of your pro-
grams' and equipment--
with a minimum impact
on your investment.

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#163937

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-05-24 14:06 -0700
Message-ID<06a0ecd9-cd6d-417c-8111-97fce7bab106@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163878
On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 5:40:26 PM UTC-6, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
 
> The story of how a single
> language answers
> the question, "Can a
> young girl with no previous
> programming
> experience find happiness

Well, there you are. This explains why PL/I never caught on, while FORTRAN and 
COBOL continue to this day.

What self-respecting programmer would use a language that's designed for... 
girls!

And, of course, this is despite the fact that Grace Hopper was pivotal in 
bringing COBOL into existence, or that most computer programmers, having 
undergone the transition known as "puberty", don't quite look upon girls the 
way boys in Grade 1 do. (But back in the 1960s, their view of women probably 
hadn't yet broadened to include thinking of them as equal colleagues in such 
fields as computer programming!)

John Savard

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#163941

FromAnne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2016-05-24 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<87fut79mne.fsf@garlic.com>
In reply to#163937
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> And, of course, this is despite the fact that Grace Hopper was pivotal in 
> bringing COBOL into existence, or that most computer programmers, having 
> undergone the transition known as "puberty", don't quite look upon girls the 
> way boys in Grade 1 do. (But back in the 1960s, their view of women probably 
> hadn't yet broadened to include thinking of them as equal colleagues in such 
> fields as computer programming!)

a couple Jean Sammet refs:

The early history and characteristics of PL/I
http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1198410
Jean Sammet
http://www.computerhistory.org/fellowawards/hall/bios/Jean,Sammet/
Jean E. Sammet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_E._Sammet
History of Programming Languages
https://books.google.com/books?id=Hy-jBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA575&lpg=PA575&dq=jean+sammet+pl/i&source=bl&ots=jk2J0gwVZ3&sig=SMeh2LCC9VY9YiWdNyBj0fRMffw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZu9ul0PPMAhVH22MKHdBBA_8Q6AEIPDAF#v=onepage&q=jean%20sammet%20pl%2Fi&f=false

I mentioned before that Jean was at the Boston Programming Center on the
3rd flr of 545 tech sq (the science center was on the 4th flr -- virtual
machines, internal network, gml, etc, -- and MIT Project MAC/multics was
on the 5th floor)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

boston programming center was doing CPS ... basic & conversational PLI.
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/allen-babcock/cps/CPS_Progress_Report_may66.pdf

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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#163946

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-24 16:39 -0700
Message-ID<67037a2f-a364-46d6-9067-2dcea8bcad43@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163937
On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 5:06:01 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:

> And, of course, this is despite the fact that Grace Hopper was pivotal in 
> bringing COBOL into existence, or that most computer programmers, having 
> undergone the transition known as "puberty", don't quite look upon girls the 
> way boys in Grade 1 do. (But back in the 1960s, their view of women probably 
> hadn't yet broadened to include thinking of them as equal colleagues in such 
> fields as computer programming!)

There was an article in C&A (1965-04) about a bank's hiring policies 
regarding its programmers.  The banker made it quite clear the
bank had two distinct personnel policies, one for men, one for
women, as well as different wage scales.

Indeed, the bank did a "experiment" to pay men and women programmers
the same wage.

Also, the bank made heavy use of a psychological profile test
to determine who to hire.  After a while, they scaled back on
that, although they did insist on a 'reasoning' test, i.e.
"What is the second day after Sunday?"

Based on the article, I am glad I didn't work for that organization.
Even though it was a relatively small bank, they seemed very smug
about themselves, and like their employees to do things _exactly_
per defined procedure.

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#163952

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-05-25 07:47 +0200
Message-ID<3tqf1d-0u2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#163946
In article <67037a2f-a364-46d6-9067-2dcea8bcad43@googlegroups.com>,
 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 5:06:01 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> And, of course, this is despite the fact that Grace Hopper was pivotal in 
>> bringing COBOL into existence, or that most computer programmers, having 
>> undergone the transition known as "puberty", don't quite look upon girls the 
>> way boys in Grade 1 do. (But back in the 1960s, their view of women probably 
>> hadn't yet broadened to include thinking of them as equal colleagues in such 
>> fields as computer programming!)
>
>There was an article in C&A (1965-04) about a bank's hiring policies 
>regarding its programmers.  The banker made it quite clear the
>bank had two distinct personnel policies, one for men, one for
>women, as well as different wage scales.
>
>Indeed, the bank did a "experiment" to pay men and women programmers
>the same wage.
>
>Also, the bank made heavy use of a psychological profile test
>to determine who to hire.  After a while, they scaled back on
>that, although they did insist on a 'reasoning' test, i.e.
>"What is the second day after Sunday?"
>
>Based on the article, I am glad I didn't work for that organization.
>Even though it was a relatively small bank, they seemed very smug
>about themselves, and like their employees to do things _exactly_
>per defined procedure.

Which is fine, if you are a suburbia transaction bank; where the
private payment transactions dominate over loans/deposits. Then you
need repeatability and behaving like one big machine is a plus.
Now mostly replaced by network banking and ATMs.

BTDT. In 1978-82.

Once you go outside that scope, and handle mortgages, business
transactions, loans and big/many deposits you need people that
can think outside the box. Real bankers, an almost extinct breed
today.

Programmers are another breed entirely. 

-- mrr



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#163987

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-25 15:00 -0700
Message-ID<e4466e74-5be1-4087-96ad-5a7cb996ec71@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163952
On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:32:00 AM UTC-4, Morten Reistad wrote:

> >Based on the article, I am glad I didn't work for that organization.
> >Even though it was a relatively small bank, they seemed very smug
> >about themselves, and like their employees to do things _exactly_
> >per defined procedure.
> 
> Which is fine, if you are a suburbia transaction bank; where the
> private payment transactions dominate over loans/deposits. Then you
> need repeatability and behaving like one big machine is a plus.
> Now mostly replaced by network banking and ATMs.

There is variation even in 'routine' deposits and withdrawals, and
having tellers with a bit of creativity can expedite special situations
quite a bit.  Further, when new services are introduced, more creative
tellers can usually deal with them better--they can intuitively figure
out the new situation, where as someone dependent on rote has to refer to
manuals or memory.

We had a large bank that was rather regimented.  They introduced an
ATM card, and between the cumbersome procedures and staff ignorance, 
it was a nightmare for the customers.

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#163968

Fromjmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com>
Date2016-05-25 13:11 +0000
Message-ID<PM000533AA749DBB71@aca40c43.ipt.aol.com>
In reply to#163937
Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 5:40:26 PM UTC-6, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> The story of how a single
>> language answers
>> the question, "Can a
>> young girl with no previous
>> programming
>> experience find happiness
>
> Well, there you are. This explains why PL/I never caught on, while FORTRAN
and
> COBOL continue to this day.
>
> What self-respecting programmer would use a language that's designed for...
> girls!

Patui!  What self-respecting girls would choose PL/I?

>
> And, of course, this is despite the fact that Grace Hopper was pivotal in
> bringing COBOL into existence, or that most computer programmers, having
> undergone the transition known as "puberty", don't quite look upon girls the
> way boys in Grade 1 do. (But back in the 1960s, their view of women probably
> hadn't yet broadened to include thinking of them as equal colleagues in such
> fields as computer programming!)

Women have been "programming" way before any males did.  Think of crochet
and knitting patterns.  Think of the geometries of quilting.  NPR has
been airing pieces about how males keep females out of the computer
biz.  I simply don't understand this and have been suspecting that
it's another NOW scheme to "prove" inequality.  There were always
females where I worked.

/BAH

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#163970

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-05-25 13:30 +0000
Message-ID<cOh1z.273$Ia.50@fx13.iad>
In reply to#163968
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>  NPR has
>been airing pieces about how males keep females out of the computer
>biz.  I simply don't understand this and have been suspecting that
>it's another NOW scheme to "prove" inequality.  There were always
>females where I worked.

Yeah, blame it on NOW (haven't heard that acronym
since 1985).   Anyone who has been in the business for
for the last 35 years knows simply from observation
that females in computing have gone from 38% of the
workforce to 18% of the workforce between 1985 and 2016, and the
numbers continue to decrease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing#Statistics_in_the_workforce

It's more appropriate to blame it on pop culture (and the general
disdain in which "geeks" are held therin).

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#163974

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2016-05-25 16:12 +0000
Message-ID<dqm16kFm19sU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#163970
On Wed, 25 May 2016 13:30:48 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>  NPR has
>>been airing pieces about how males keep females out of the computer biz.
>> I simply don't understand this and have been suspecting that it's
>>another NOW scheme to "prove" inequality.  There were always females
>>where I worked.
> 
> Yeah, blame it on NOW (haven't heard that acronym since 1985).   Anyone
> who has been in the business for for the last 35 years knows simply from
> observation that females in computing have gone from 38% of the
> workforce to 18% of the workforce between 1985 and 2016, and the numbers
> continue to decrease.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Women_in_computing#Statistics_in_the_workforce
> 
> It's more appropriate to blame it on pop culture (and the general
> disdain in which "geeks" are held therin).

My wife did a paper on this back in 1990. There was evidence from her 
research that, in the UK at least, the introduction of computers to the 
home was a factor.

Most games were male-oriented, and girls became disenchanted with 
computers from an early age.

Go back to the 1970s and you found a roughly 50/50 male/female split.




-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#163990

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-25 15:13 -0700
Message-ID<f74c3cc8-ceae-44bf-ba85-5d450bfb1e42@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163970
On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 9:30:49 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Yeah, blame it on NOW (haven't heard that acronym
> since 1985).   Anyone who has been in the business for
> for the last 35 years knows simply from observation
> that females in computing have gone from 38% of the
> workforce to 18% of the workforce between 1985 and 2016, and the
> numbers continue to decrease.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing#Statistics_in_the_workforce

My own observation is that the percentage of women programmers has
remained stable.  But I do know that in the I.T. world there has always
been great variation from one site to another, as well as from one sub-
specialty to another.


> It's more appropriate to blame it on pop culture (and the general
> disdain in which "geeks" are held therin).

They have conducted studies that little children have innate tendencies
and preferences, despite what progressives want to believe.  For instance,
boys are the ones that tend to gravitate toward construction toys, and 
girls to other fields.  (Not every boy nor every girl will do so, most
kids will do so.)

Fortunately, at least today, a girl who wants to be a civil engineer
can do so (as done by my neighbor, who is doing quite well.)  There
are also many girls' sports team for those who are interested.

Today, progressives are worried about the lack of girls' interest
in science and technology.  I don't know if that's merely because
girls just aren't naturally interested, or, if social pressures
play a role.

It is clear that among youth today, social pressures, reinforced by
the media and fashion, play a big role.  Most kids (with some 
exceptions, of  course) do not ever want to perceived as "weird" 
or "geeky".  Kids today are very conformist for the most part.

I do not know how much peer pressure influences--consciously or
sub-consciously--in discouraging girls from science and technology.
But I suspect it plays a part.

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#163991

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-05-25 16:19 -0700
Message-ID<8cb4283b-0ef7-4ecb-abdf-a3a132c36bb7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163990
On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 4:13:55 PM UTC-6, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Most kids (with some 
> exceptions, of  course) do not ever want to perceived as "weird" 
> or "geeky".  Kids today are very conformist for the most part.

Well, I'd take out the word "today", for one thing.

Social pressures can point in different directions, with influence from the 
surrounding culture, and hence even from something so potentially malleable as 
the mass media.

Damon of Athens wrote, "Let me write the songs of a nation, and I care not who 
writes its laws". While I believe in the part of the basic principle of the 
First Amendment that protects every viewpoint in political debate, so that the 
people have the ability to be the ones to decide what their representatives 
should do, allowing censorship and control of entertainment, so that it 
elevates rather than degrades, so that it does not sink to the lowest common 
denominator, does not seem to be unreasonable.

If someone tried to make the case for genocide with facts and figures, he would 
not get far, but dramas or comedies that perpetuate stereotypes can engender 
hatred.

John Savard

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#163992

FromQuadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
Date2016-05-25 16:33 -0700
Message-ID<052d21e5-2692-45ea-a813-ca02f93dc277@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163991
On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 5:19:09 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

> Damon of Athens wrote, "Let me write the songs of a nation, and I care not who 
> writes its laws".

Actually, it was Andrew Fletcher of Scotland.

John Savard

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#164030

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-26 12:07 -0700
Message-ID<27c70525-ef29-4bd5-8fa9-b0ff7bb94978@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#163991
On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 7:19:09 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:

> Damon of Athens wrote, "Let me write the songs of a nation, and I care not who 
> writes its laws". While I believe in the part of the basic principle of the 
> First Amendment that protects every viewpoint in political debate, so that the 
> people have the ability to be the ones to decide what their representatives 
> should do, allowing censorship and control of entertainment, so that it 
> elevates rather than degrades, so that it does not sink to the lowest common 
> denominator, does not seem to be unreasonable.
> 
> If someone tried to make the case for genocide with facts and figures, he would 
> not get far, but dramas or comedies that perpetuate stereotypes can engender 
> hatred.


When it comes to the mass media, people do 'vote' by what they
choose to watch.  Likewise with fashion.

The progressive community has attempted many times to use
the mass media to influence popular thinking, but it hasn't
been as successful as they'd liked.  In the end, some messages
simply do not get absorbed.

Society will evolve at its own pace, regardless of what certain
elements--liberal or conservative--want it to do.

For instance, women aren't supposed to be 'sex objects'.  But
women's (and girl's) clothes are as sexy as ever.

There's a current TV show that has an extremely progressive
subject matter, and extremely lousy ratings.  (The Fosters,
Freeform/ABC Family, about two married women raising 
racially diverse adopted kids.)


In re-reading the IBM ad, I am surprised how sexist it is,
especially for 1968.  Even though the vast bulk of the ad
focuses on the advantages of PL/I, it still is based on
"the happiness of a young girl".

Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
secretaries were honored to be selected.

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#164037

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-05-26 16:22 -0400
Message-ID<1823104870.485986037.566429.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#164030
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 7:19:09 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> 
>> Damon of Athens wrote, "Let me write the songs of a nation, and I care not who 
>> writes its laws". While I believe in the part of the basic principle of the 
>> First Amendment that protects every viewpoint in political debate, so that the 
>> people have the ability to be the ones to decide what their representatives 
>> should do, allowing censorship and control of entertainment, so that it 
>> elevates rather than degrades, so that it does not sink to the lowest common 
>> denominator, does not seem to be unreasonable.
>> 
>> If someone tried to make the case for genocide with facts and figures, he would 
>> not get far, but dramas or comedies that perpetuate stereotypes can engender 
>> hatred.
> 
> 
> When it comes to the mass media, people do 'vote' by what they
> choose to watch.  Likewise with fashion.
> 
> The progressive community has attempted many times to use
> the mass media to influence popular thinking, but it hasn't
> been as successful as they'd liked.  In the end, some messages
> simply do not get absorbed.
> 
> Society will evolve at its own pace, regardless of what certain
> elements--liberal or conservative--want it to do.
> 
> For instance, women aren't supposed to be 'sex objects'.  But
> women's (and girl's) clothes are as sexy as ever.
> 
> There's a current TV show that has an extremely progressive
> subject matter, and extremely lousy ratings.  (The Fosters,
> Freeform/ABC Family, about two married women raising 
> racially diverse adopted kids.)
> 
> 
> In re-reading the IBM ad, I am surprised how sexist it is,
> especially for 1968.  Even though the vast bulk of the ad
> focuses on the advantages of PL/I, it still is based on
> "the happiness of a young girl".
> 
> Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
> always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
> every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
> That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
> secretaries were honored to be selected.
> 

Still get this with calendars that are distributed to machine shops,
service stations, etc.  They're great to look at, but I always find myself
wondering what the girl in skimpy clothes has to do with the lathe, etc.

-- 
Pete

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#164092

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-28 13:17 -0700
Message-ID<d7794327-167f-47d3-8ad4-3af10647f1ae@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#164037
On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:

> > Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
> > always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
> > every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
> > That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
> > secretaries were honored to be selected.
> > 
> 
> Still get this with calendars that are distributed to machine shops,
> service stations, etc.  They're great to look at, but I always find myself
> wondering what the girl in skimpy clothes has to do with the lathe, etc.

I haven't seen any such 'cheesecake' calendars in years.  Too many
gas stations have women customers who wouldn't like seeing such a
calendar posted in the office.  A lot of shops have women assistants
(like the owner's wife) who would also find them objectionable.

Do places like machine shops still have them?

In the old days, however, such calendars (and advertisements in
auto/machine shop magazines) were very cheesecake--girls in rather 
skimpy bikinis posed on the hardware.

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#164094

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-05-28 15:29 -0500
Message-ID<nicusa$4o1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#164092
On 5/28/2016 3:17 PM, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>>> Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
>>> always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
>>> every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
>>> That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
>>> secretaries were honored to be selected.
>>>
>>
>> Still get this with calendars that are distributed to machine shops,
>> service stations, etc.  They're great to look at, but I always find myself
>> wondering what the girl in skimpy clothes has to do with the lathe, etc.
>
> I haven't seen any such 'cheesecake' calendars in years.  Too many
> gas stations have women customers who wouldn't like seeing such a
> calendar posted in the office.  A lot of shops have women assistants
> (like the owner's wife) who would also find them objectionable.
>
> Do places like machine shops still have them?
>
> In the old days, however, such calendars (and advertisements in
> auto/machine shop magazines) were very cheesecake--girls in rather
> skimpy bikinis posed on the hardware.
>

A mechanic of my acquaintance refers to them as "wench and wrench" 
calendars.

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#164098

Frommausg@mail.com
Date2016-05-29 10:03 +0000
Message-ID<slrnnklj3i.19k.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to#164092
On 2016-05-28, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> > Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
>> > always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
>> > every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
>> > That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
>> > secretaries were honored to be selected.
>> > 
>> 
>> Still get this with calendars that are distributed to machine shops,
>> service stations, etc.  They're great to look at, but I always find myself
>> wondering what the girl in skimpy clothes has to do with the lathe, etc.
>
> I haven't seen any such 'cheesecake' calendars in years.  Too many
> gas stations have women customers who wouldn't like seeing such a
> calendar posted in the office.  A lot of shops have women assistants
> (like the owner's wife) who would also find them objectionable.
>
> Do places like machine shops still have them?
>
> In the old days, however, such calendars (and advertisements in
> auto/machine shop magazines) were very cheesecake--girls in rather 
> skimpy bikinis posed on the hardware.
>

A couple of things about pictures of girls fascinate me (!).
Ones in fashion magazines are so unattractive, I think that they are
 aimed at a different market than glamour pictures. The pictures that
 are described above (Pirelli tyres calenders for instance) hide the
fact, that, in my experience, girls like those photographed are so
egocentric and `contrary' that one is better off away from them.
I think that I will go and have a cold bath.

One of the most offputting things that, on visiting a friend in psychiatric
hospital, the good-looking girls that were there with severe anorexia.
How did the idea that becoming thinner than they were would make theem 
more attractive?. 



-- 
greymaus.eircom.ie
 .
  .
...

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#164103

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-05-29 07:26 -0400
Message-ID<2038280491.486213366.930709.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#164098
<mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2016-05-28, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>> 
>>>> Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
>>>> always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
>>>> every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
>>>> That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
>>>> secretaries were honored to be selected.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Still get this with calendars that are distributed to machine shops,
>>> service stations, etc.  They're great to look at, but I always find myself
>>> wondering what the girl in skimpy clothes has to do with the lathe, etc.
>> 
>> I haven't seen any such 'cheesecake' calendars in years.  Too many
>> gas stations have women customers who wouldn't like seeing such a
>> calendar posted in the office.  A lot of shops have women assistants
>> (like the owner's wife) who would also find them objectionable.
>> 
>> Do places like machine shops still have them?
>> 
>> In the old days, however, such calendars (and advertisements in
>> auto/machine shop magazines) were very cheesecake--girls in rather 
>> skimpy bikinis posed on the hardware.
>> 
> 
> A couple of things about pictures of girls fascinate me (!).
> Ones in fashion magazines are so unattractive, I think that they are
>  aimed at a different market than glamour pictures. The pictures that
>  are described above (Pirelli tyres calenders for instance) hide the
> fact, that, in my experience, girls like those photographed are so
> egocentric and `contrary' that one is better off away from them.
> I think that I will go and have a cold bath.
> 
> One of the most offputting things that, on visiting a friend in psychiatric
> hospital, the good-looking girls that were there with severe anorexia.
> How did the idea that becoming thinner than they were would make theem 
> more attractive?. 
> 

It's a puzzling dichotomy.  On the one had models, and girls who emulate
them, want to be thinner while the female population in general is (AFAIK)
becoming larger.  On the other hand someone like Amy Schumer, who looks
like a perfectly normal young woman is trashed as being "fat."  I can't
believe that too many men appreciate women who are painfully thin.

-- 
Pete

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#164109

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-05-29 15:16 +0200
Message-ID<jm6r1d-jn2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#164098
In article <slrnnklj3i.19k.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>On 2016-05-28, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> > Of course, as mentioned, the Penn Central railroad news letter
>>> > always featured a pretty young female secretary on the cover
>>> > every month, standing on a boxcar or other piece of equipment.
>>> > That was pretty commonplace back then.  Attitudes were that
>>> > secretaries were honored to be selected.
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> Still get this with calendars that are distributed to machine shops,
>>> service stations, etc.  They're great to look at, but I always find myself
>>> wondering what the girl in skimpy clothes has to do with the lathe, etc.
>>
>> I haven't seen any such 'cheesecake' calendars in years.  Too many
>> gas stations have women customers who wouldn't like seeing such a
>> calendar posted in the office.  A lot of shops have women assistants
>> (like the owner's wife) who would also find them objectionable.
>>
>> Do places like machine shops still have them?
>>
>> In the old days, however, such calendars (and advertisements in
>> auto/machine shop magazines) were very cheesecake--girls in rather 
>> skimpy bikinis posed on the hardware.
>>
>
>A couple of things about pictures of girls fascinate me (!).
>Ones in fashion magazines are so unattractive, I think that they are
> aimed at a different market than glamour pictures. The pictures that
> are described above (Pirelli tyres calenders for instance) hide the
>fact, that, in my experience, girls like those photographed are so
>egocentric and `contrary' that one is better off away from them.
>I think that I will go and have a cold bath.

The computer industry also had calendars and promo pictures of
babes posing as "users" or "operators". 

They were usually in what could marginally be passed as formal
office attire somewhere far from IBM, but the babe factor was
obvious.

They were almost always "operating" or "using" compureters that were 
not powered up or conneted to anything. The cable bundles going off
behind the cpu and i/o cabinets were always absent, and any power
lights were out, and pictures on the terminals were always obviously
pasted in. 

And they were done in studio lighting . VERY bright, something that
would lead to no end of glare on terminals. Pre ca 1985 the light
levels of the VDUs were not very bright, and would not have been
easily readable in sunshine or in studio lighing.

-- mrr

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#164199

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-05-31 17:44 -0700
Message-ID<681e3626-fafd-48da-88ea-fb9171019d59@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#164109
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 9:25:29 AM UTC-4, Morten Reistad wrote:

> The computer industry also had calendars and promo pictures of
> babes posing as "users" or "operators". 
> They were usually in what could marginally be passed as formal
> office attire somewhere far from IBM, but the babe factor was
> obvious.

While they did utilize attraction young women, computer ads
were definitely more understated and professional than say ads
for automotive equipment.  The mainframe makers tended to be
reasonably dignified.



> 
> They were almost always "operating" or "using" compureters that were 
> not powered up or conneted to anything. The cable bundles going off
> behind the cpu and i/o cabinets were always absent, and any power
> lights were out, and pictures on the terminals were always obviously
> pasted in. 
> 
> And they were done in studio lighting . VERY bright, something that
> would lead to no end of glare on terminals. Pre ca 1985 the light
> levels of the VDUs were not very bright, and would not have been
> easily readable in sunshine or in studio lighing.
> 
> -- mrr

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