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| Started by | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-04-11 22:01 -0500 |
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Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 09:15 -0700
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 04:03 +1100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 09:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:12 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 17:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-12 00:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 21:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 15:12 +1100
Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-02 15:15 +1100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-02 05:34 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-02 12:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-02 20:49 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 08:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 10:12 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 19:43 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 15:45 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:29 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:51 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 16:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-03 20:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Gatuzo <Gatuzo@mccarragher.org> - 2016-04-03 21:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 21:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 11:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:47 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 22:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 06:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-04 14:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 15:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-04 15:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 17:05 +0100
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 18:42 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-05 03:05 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-12 19:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-12 19:13 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-13 06:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 06:33 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-13 07:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 06:30 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:22 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:56 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:16 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 18:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:05 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 18:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 10:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 07:08 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 07:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:48 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 09:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:12 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-06 00:39 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-06 09:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:31 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:50 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 14:16 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:20 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 19:24 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:31 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 14:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:22 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:56 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 11:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 06:36 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 06:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:33 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:15 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:40 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:31 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-05 12:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 16:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-13 11:11 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 20:51 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:10 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-12 07:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:07 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:31 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 16:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:36 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 22:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:35 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-13 21:54 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-13 23:04 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 16:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-14 23:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-15 16:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 20:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-15 11:00 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-02 16:28 -0500
Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-04-02 21:44 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 08:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 16:56 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:21 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-06 16:32 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 11:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:13 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-02 20:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-03 05:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 03:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 07:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 14:00 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 08:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 06:18 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 10:03 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:27 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 16:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-03 11:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-03 11:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:55 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 11:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:01 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 20:31 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 01:58 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:50 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 21:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 22:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:33 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:54 +0000
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 09:22 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:42 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 20:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 22:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:38 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-03 06:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 10:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 17:20 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:02 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 03:44 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 20:23 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:50 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 19:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:40 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 15:00 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:57 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 08:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-05 21:14 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 09:10 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 11:27 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 14:52 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 04:04 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-05 22:50 +0100
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 08:26 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 05:39 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-04 04:37 +0100
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-03 10:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:40 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-04 19:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:57 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-05 13:43 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 07:38 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-12 13:47 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-12 16:50 +0200
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 05:04 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:32 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-12 17:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:18 -0700
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:36 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-14 16:07 +0200
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 12:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:28 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-14 11:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-14 16:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-14 20:35 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 09:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-15 12:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-15 16:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-15 11:59 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 18:52 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-16 01:45 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 22:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 18:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-17 10:29 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-20 20:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-20 19:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 09:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-16 13:16 +0200
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-16 13:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 10:36 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-16 20:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 20:46 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 09:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-17 12:07 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 09:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:51 +1000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:44 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 12:41 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 12:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 16:44 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 16:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 13:04 -0500
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 18:51 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-18 14:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:19 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:13 -0500
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-26 11:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-28 06:09 +1000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 16:12 -0300
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 20:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:17 +1000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:11 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-04-19 22:06 -0300
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 10:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-20 10:55 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 11:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-21 08:01 +0200
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-20 10:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 15:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-20 18:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 13:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-20 11:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-20 15:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:19 -0700
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-21 15:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 11:28 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 07:11 -0500
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-20 17:49 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 03:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-21 08:11 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-21 17:58 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 12:34 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-21 14:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-21 20:20 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-22 11:18 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-21 16:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 19:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 12:21 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:03 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:33 +1000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-22 07:11 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 05:31 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-22 15:01 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 12:21 +1000
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-24 11:21 +0200
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-24 12:43 +0200
Re: Qbasic Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-04-25 07:16 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 10:10 +0200
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-25 15:42 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-04-26 00:05 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 06:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-26 07:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-26 12:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 13:54 +0100
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 10:18 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 16:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-26 11:44 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:15 +0200
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:50 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:10 +0100
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-24 11:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 07:43 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-24 12:20 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-24 17:01 -0300
Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-26 21:37 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-26 16:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-26 22:16 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:18 +1000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 19:32 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-28 13:43 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-29 12:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-29 13:39 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 15:19 +0200
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-29 14:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-29 09:58 -0500
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-29 19:51 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 06:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:11 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 14:14 +0100
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:54 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 13:46 +1000
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:11 +1000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:02 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 05:49 +1000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-25 15:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-25 16:55 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-25 23:56 +0200
Re: Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-04-22 01:02 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-22 15:22 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 11:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:21 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:45 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 15:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 19:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:04 -0300
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:17 -0500
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 12:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 06:00 +0100
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:22 +1000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 20:49 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-26 17:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-04-26 14:31 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 21:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-27 16:19 -0300
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 19:53 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:24 -0300
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 06:06 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 10:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-27 11:12 +0100
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:21 -0400
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 11:38 -0700
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:51 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:48 +0200
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 09:09 +0200
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-28 22:25 -0700
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 13:46 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 20:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 20:00 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 22:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-27 22:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:30 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-30 23:39 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:23 -0500
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-26 22:55 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:00 -0700
Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-27 10:08 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-27 12:40 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-27 14:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-28 12:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-27 12:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-28 08:59 +0200
Re: Qbasic Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2016-04-28 20:43 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-28 19:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:41 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-29 19:30 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-29 22:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-29 17:20 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-30 07:10 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-30 01:44 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-30 06:25 -0400
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-30 23:58 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:55 +0000
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:25 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-02 17:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:58 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-02 22:11 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 06:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-03 14:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 12:37 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-03 19:00 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 17:07 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 04:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:43 -0700
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:02 +1000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-06 19:13 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-07 16:27 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-08 13:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-08 20:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:29 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-07 16:47 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 12:29 +0100
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-30 12:43 -0500
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-30 19:58 +0100
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-01 06:59 +0000
Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-04-30 15:09 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:49 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:06 +0200
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-01 04:36 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 08:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-05-01 06:04 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:12 +0000
Re:AM radio Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-30 12:00 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 15:47 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 00:15 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-01 12:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-01 15:24 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-02 13:13 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-05-02 14:45 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-02 15:51 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-02 16:09 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:40 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:33 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-03 13:47 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:33 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:35 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:28 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:50 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:32 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:30 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:27 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:35 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:23 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:43 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-04 16:13 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 22:08 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-05 19:45 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-06 07:22 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-06 15:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-06 22:50 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 05:35 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 02:35 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-07 20:01 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-08 06:52 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 08:35 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-08 14:40 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 10:40 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-08 12:17 -0400
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-07 20:13 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-05-07 20:45 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-07 23:45 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-04 18:32 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:48 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-05-02 12:49 -0700
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Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-01 18:26 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 08:24 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 05:53 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-05-03 16:33 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2016-05-03 14:54 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 23:08 -0400
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-04 15:11 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-04 16:43 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-04 23:17 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-05 13:37 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-05 12:25 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-05 12:42 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-06 13:28 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 08:17 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:59 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-04 15:13 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-04 23:26 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-03 16:09 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-03 21:09 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-03 22:56 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 23:38 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-04 17:55 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-04 13:02 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 04:02 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-03 11:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-03 13:37 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-03 17:17 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-03 18:37 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-04 06:24 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 17:37 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-05 00:58 +0200
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 10:26 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 14:38 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 05:11 +1000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-04 14:46 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-05 15:35 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-06 18:10 +0100
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Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-07 13:14 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-07 13:54 -0500
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Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-09 15:11 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic pechter@pechter.net (William Pechter) - 2016-05-09 22:26 +0000
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Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-09 15:09 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 23:57 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-11 07:07 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 15:23 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 03:45 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 15:27 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 04:53 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-10 13:03 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-11 12:18 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-11 13:13 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-12 13:04 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-12 14:44 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-12 15:47 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 09:00 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-05-13 10:00 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 11:06 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 18:16 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 12:24 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 20:25 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 14:27 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-14 13:08 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-14 15:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-14 21:07 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-14 15:12 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-14 16:15 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-14 19:42 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-14 19:17 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-15 10:28 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-05-15 11:37 -0700
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-15 09:16 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-15 09:21 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-15 09:55 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-15 10:26 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-15 15:19 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-15 09:57 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-05-16 20:26 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-17 12:32 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 16:26 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-05-12 11:37 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 03:19 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 09:53 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 10:18 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-11 16:29 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 14:29 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 13:59 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-11 21:37 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 21:37 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-12 12:39 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-12 14:43 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-12 19:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-11 21:11 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 05:00 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 15:56 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:56 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:18 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-10 16:00 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-05-11 07:16 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:53 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-10 17:22 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:18 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-05-10 18:20 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:23 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-05-10 19:50 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:13 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-13 12:53 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-13 12:43 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-05-15 14:09 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-09 16:26 +0000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-05-09 18:07 +0100
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-09 14:47 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 10:06 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 11:57 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:15 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:11 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-09 23:49 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Simo" <dhy287@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 05:06 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-13 06:07 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-13 08:30 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 20:30 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-16 22:39 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic mrr@sambook.reistad.name (Morten Reistad) - 2016-05-17 11:10 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-13 16:19 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 04:45 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-05-10 16:01 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:20 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-10 22:59 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-05-10 19:15 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 10:53 -0400
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-08 10:42 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-08 18:38 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-05-08 12:40 -0500
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 03:36 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 05:32 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 05:13 +1000
Re: AM radio Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-05-04 00:32 +0200
Re: AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 10:36 +1000
Re: Re:AM radio Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:00 +1000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-05-02 13:07 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-30 15:19 -0300
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:31 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-27 07:48 -0500
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-04-28 22:03 -0700
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-26 12:50 +0100
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-26 12:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-26 11:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-26 18:28 +0200
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:24 +0000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-29 16:33 -0500
Re: Qbasic Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-04-26 20:18 +0000
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-27 00:34 +0200
Re: Qbasic "Jack Brown" <7865jb@nospam.com> - 2016-04-27 14:23 +1000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 03:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:02 +1000
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-26 22:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-27 10:21 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 23:24 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 02:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 11:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 10:08 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 11:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 18:39 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 18:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 17:38 -0500
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-19 19:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 09:13 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 07:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-19 13:19 +0100
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 17:20 +0100
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:55 +0200
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-19 18:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 16:47 -0300
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-18 16:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 17:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 19:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 07:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-19 14:15 +0000
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-25 21:14 -0500
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 20:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-19 11:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-04-19 16:04 -0400
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-19 17:07 -0300
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-19 16:20 -0500
Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-20 00:45 -0300
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 21:59 -0700
Re: Qbasic Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-04-20 06:52 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:34 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-19 21:56 -0700
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-20 01:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:36 +0000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-20 10:32 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-19 18:03 -0500
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:03 +1000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:47 -0700
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:53 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 11:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 07:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 14:16 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 12:09 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 13:37 -0500
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 20:09 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-18 12:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-18 13:31 -0500
Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:46 +1000
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:42 +1000
Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-04-18 03:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 07:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-17 20:06 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:48 +0100
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 09:49 -0400
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:52 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:05 -0400
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:51 +0100
Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-18 12:38 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-18 09:53 -0700
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-18 19:02 +0000
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-18 19:04 +0000
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-19 11:28 +0100
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-19 11:13 +0000
Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-16 06:33 -0700
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-16 12:15 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:24 -0400
Re: Wikipedia interest, was Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-16 13:10 -0700
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:01 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-17 11:57 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:57 +0100
Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:39 -0500
Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-04-18 12:54 +0100
Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-04-18 11:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 14:47 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-18 15:44 -0500
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-17 11:00 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-17 21:27 +0000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 06:35 -0400
Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 10:51 +0000
Epigenetics (was Re: Qbasic) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-04-18 15:48 -0300
Re: Epigenetics (was Re: Qbasic) Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-04-18 21:35 +0000
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:06 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:21 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:55 +1000
Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-12 11:42 +0000
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-13 13:17 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-13 17:29 -0400
Re: Qbasic "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:37 +1000
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:12 -0700
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:41 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 12:15 +1000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-05 10:26 -0500
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:39 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:08 +1000
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-06 07:52 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:44 -0400
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-06 12:49 -0500
Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-05 12:42 -0700
Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-05 16:54 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:42 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:14 +1000
Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 11:23 -0400
Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-04-04 15:57 +0000
Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:24 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:14 -0400
Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-04-04 14:25 -0500
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 15:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 17:58 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 21:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 19:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 22:02 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:40 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-04 22:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 20:51 -0400
Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-04-05 09:32 -0400
Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 16:00 +0200
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:28 -0400
Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:26 -0400
Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-04-11 21:25 -0500
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 12:43 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dvi1jbpp28ht71o8tm6kmcjqcb00c8plft@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #163474 |
On Mon, 9 May 2016 12:42:40 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >On Mon, 9 May 2016, Lawrence Statton NK1G wrote: > >> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along >>> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully >>> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside Denmark. >>> >>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >>> teams are there. >> >> You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up >> around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. >> >Maybe it's different in Europe? > >There used to be the 500KHz calling frequency for maritime emergencies, >did that get deleted in recent times? I think so. > >The marine band used to be in the 2MHz range, then the VHF band as you >mention was added in the late sixties or early seventies, making it more >accessible (smaller antenna, cheaper equipment, I think more channels), >while the shortwave marine band went SSB (from AM) and became more >exclusive. I think it's still there, but not certain. > > Michael There are some hams that monitor around 7.13 MHz, they have evidently been there for decades and say they are the Maritime Net, or something like that. -- JimP.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 15:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605091525570.27488@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163479 |
On Mon, 9 May 2016, JimP wrote: > On Mon, 9 May 2016 12:42:40 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 May 2016, Lawrence Statton NK1G wrote: >> >>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along >>>> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully >>>> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside Denmark. >>>> >>>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >>>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >>>> teams are there. >>> >>> You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up >>> around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. >>> >> Maybe it's different in Europe? >> >> There used to be the 500KHz calling frequency for maritime emergencies, >> did that get deleted in recent times? I think so. >> >> The marine band used to be in the 2MHz range, then the VHF band as you >> mention was added in the late sixties or early seventies, making it more >> accessible (smaller antenna, cheaper equipment, I think more channels), >> while the shortwave marine band went SSB (from AM) and became more >> exclusive. I think it's still there, but not certain. >> >> Michael > > There are some hams that monitor around 7.13 MHz, they have evidently > been there for decades and say they are the Maritime Net, or something > like that. > Yes, because you can have a ham station on a boat or a ship. I don't know about now, but there was a time when some would get licenses because it was cheaper than maritime radio, and there probably were more people who could listen. There was one guy who set out around the world, and it seemed like he was operating from exotic locations because he'd happened to get a ham station and license "just in case", rather than visiting those countries from the outset to put the countries on the air. There's also the advantage that you can talk to people, I suspect maritime radio isn't so leisure oriented, and if you're sailing solo or close to it, it's nice to have people to talk to. Michael
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 21:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <1ei2jbd721e348nce04a9fhid8okpot91m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #163488 |
On Mon, 9 May 2016 15:29:35 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >On Mon, 9 May 2016, JimP wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 May 2016 12:42:40 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 9 May 2016, Lawrence Statton NK1G wrote: >>> >>>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>>>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage along >>>>> all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have successfully >>>>> run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the Limfjord inside Denmark. >>>>> >>>>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >>>>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >>>>> teams are there. >>>> >>>> You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up >>>> around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. >>>> >>> Maybe it's different in Europe? >>> >>> There used to be the 500KHz calling frequency for maritime emergencies, >>> did that get deleted in recent times? I think so. >>> >>> The marine band used to be in the 2MHz range, then the VHF band as you >>> mention was added in the late sixties or early seventies, making it more >>> accessible (smaller antenna, cheaper equipment, I think more channels), >>> while the shortwave marine band went SSB (from AM) and became more >>> exclusive. I think it's still there, but not certain. >>> >>> Michael >> >> There are some hams that monitor around 7.13 MHz, they have evidently >> been there for decades and say they are the Maritime Net, or something >> like that. >> >Yes, because you can have a ham station on a boat or a ship. I don't know >about now, but there was a time when some would get licenses because it >was cheaper than maritime radio, and there probably were more people who >could listen. There was one guy who set out around the world, and it >seemed like he was operating from exotic locations because he'd happened >to get a ham station and license "just in case", rather than visiting >those countries from the outset to put the countries on the air. There's >also the advantage that you can talk to people, I suspect maritime radio >isn't so leisure oriented, and if you're sailing solo or close to it, it's >nice to have people to talk to. > > Michael I've read complaints that the Maritime Net has never actually handled an emergency, just engaged in chit chat. -- JimP.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 13:25 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1605101324480.29133@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #163499 |
On Mon, 9 May 2016, JimP wrote: >> Yes, because you can have a ham station on a boat or a ship. I don't know >> about now, but there was a time when some would get licenses because it >> was cheaper than maritime radio, and there probably were more people who >> could listen. There was one guy who set out around the world, and it >> seemed like he was operating from exotic locations because he'd happened >> to get a ham station and license "just in case", rather than visiting >> those countries from the outset to put the countries on the air. There's >> also the advantage that you can talk to people, I suspect maritime radio >> isn't so leisure oriented, and if you're sailing solo or close to it, it's >> nice to have people to talk to. >> >> Michael > > I've read complaints that the Maritime Net has never actually handled > an emergency, just engaged in chit chat. > But technically it's there just in case. If they ignore emergency traffic, then that's a different thing. Michael
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| From | Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 15:09 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <87y47jro1u.fsf@senguio.mx> |
| In reply to | #163474 |
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes: > On Mon, 9 May 2016, Lawrence Statton NK1G wrote: > >> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage >>> along all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have >>> successfully run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the >>> Limfjord inside Denmark. >>> >>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >>> teams are there. >> >> You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up >> around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. >> > Maybe it's different in Europe? > Not according to ITU. (By a pedantic reading, 28 MHz is not even VHF -- it begins at 30 MHz by definition, but colloquially speaking, 28 MHz certainly propogates more like low-band VHF than HF most of the time, sunspot years notwithstanding). > There used to be the 500KHz calling frequency for maritime > emergencies, did that get deleted in recent times? I think so. The 600-meter (500 kHz) watch ended some years ago. There is still NAVTEX activity nearby at 490 and 518 kHz. Many countries still operate MF networks on the 2MHz band. The US Coast Guard did as well until 2013. > The marine band used to be in the 2MHz range, then the VHF band as you > mention was added in the late sixties or early seventies, making it > more accessible (smaller antenna, cheaper equipment, I think more > channels), while the shortwave marine band went SSB (from AM) and > became more exclusive. I think it's still there, but not certain. There are still several HF SSB maritime services. (4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 18, 22, and 25 MHz bands). There is some overlap with the maritime and the HF Air Band service. The service is now channelized and can operate duplex or simplex, based on equipment availability. --NK1G
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 23:57 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <nnd70d-29h.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163493 |
In article <87y47jro1u.fsf@senguio.mx>, Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote: >Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes: > >> On Mon, 9 May 2016, Lawrence Statton NK1G wrote: >> >>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>>> I take the VHF, operating on the maritime bands. It has coverage >>>> along all coasts and from mountain tops with just the whip. I have >>>> successfully run a radio check with Norwegian operators from the >>>> Limfjord inside Denmark. >>>> >>>> It operates in the 28MHz bands, just above the 11M band. It uses FM, not >>>> AM, so it is kind-of-hybrid SW. But the channels for the emergency rescue >>>> teams are there. >>> >>> You *SURE* about that? The only marine stuff that I know of is up >>> around 156-160 - nowhere near 28. >>> >> Maybe it's different in Europe? >> > >Not according to ITU. (By a pedantic reading, 28 MHz is not even VHF -- >it begins at 30 MHz by definition, but colloquially speaking, 28 MHz >certainly propogates more like low-band VHF than HF most of the time, >sunspot years notwithstanding). > >> There used to be the 500KHz calling frequency for maritime >> emergencies, did that get deleted in recent times? I think so. > >The 600-meter (500 kHz) watch ended some years ago. There is still >NAVTEX activity nearby at 490 and 518 kHz. Many countries still operate >MF networks on the 2MHz band. The US Coast Guard did as well until >2013. You were right. The maritime VHF is at ~150-160 Mhz. My sets have some legacy (pre 1960) bands at 28.8 Mhz, which explain the weird antenna construction. 1:6 in frequency response. The mandatory 500kHz watch ended nearly a decade ago, but the frequency is still assigned. In 2012 the MF part of the basic ships radio operator course was dropped here. Seems to be for the whole of the EU. >> The marine band used to be in the 2MHz range, then the VHF band as you >> mention was added in the late sixties or early seventies, making it >> more accessible (smaller antenna, cheaper equipment, I think more >> channels), while the shortwave marine band went SSB (from AM) and >> became more exclusive. I think it's still there, but not certain. > >There are still several HF SSB maritime services. (4, 6, 8, 12, 16, >18, 22, and 25 MHz bands). There is some overlap with the maritime and >the HF Air Band service. The service is now channelized and can operate >duplex or simplex, based on equipment availability. This L1-L6 setup also duplicates a CB channel. It is from the original experimental network from the late 1940s, grandfathered ca 1960. But the frequencies were just left, CB use them; as do VHF users that want to chitchat without using the "official" frequencies. Seems to be a NO+DK thing, this. My sets ARE old. One is VERY old. I learn new stuff all the time. -- mrr
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 18:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <ngtagj12m09@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #163493 |
On 2016-05-09, Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote: > There are still several HF SSB maritime services. (4, 6, 8, 12, 16, > 18, 22, and 25 MHz bands). There is some overlap with the maritime and > the HF Air Band service. The service is now channelized and can operate > duplex or simplex, based on equipment availability. I still see the occasional reference to 2182 and 5680 kHz in the aeronautical publications. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2016-05-11 07:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <slrnnj5mi1.8t7.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #163533 |
On 10 May 2016 18:49:55 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2016-05-09, Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote: > >> There are still several HF SSB maritime services. (4, 6, 8, 12, 16, >> 18, 22, and 25 MHz bands). There is some overlap with the maritime and >> the HF Air Band service. The service is now channelized and can operate >> duplex or simplex, based on equipment availability. > > I still see the occasional reference to 2182 and 5680 kHz in the > aeronautical publications. > 2182 - Maritime calling frequency 5680 - Search and rescue Both used regularly, in Rightpondia at least. -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM0005326868D3E78B@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163418 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the house >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not unusual. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in doing >>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have an >>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>wireless >>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>> >>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped protocols. >>>>>> >>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" have >>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>> >>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>> of transmission? >>>> >>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>operation. >>> >>> >>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>> hundred watts. >>> >>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>> operation. >> >>If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >>that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it work). > > You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is the > high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. > > But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could probably > use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. > >>>>If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>>production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >>>>the electric bill. >>> >>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>> >>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >> >>So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >>may not be available if the situation is an emergency. > > You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output > for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by > 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be > received with s simple whip or small dipole. > > 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power > source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, > a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, > for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. > > Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that > could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. > > A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla > or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long > period. I was primarily thinking about the antenna. With urban sprawl, the people who could work on the antenna of a station might not be able to travel. In Massachusetts, the radio people move into hotels next door to the station when a big storm is predicted and the governor moves into the civil defense bunker in Framingham. In winter time, people gas up their snowmobiles but can't use them for hurricane weather. /BAH
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 15:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <6kf60d-akf.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163456 |
In article <PM0005326868D3E78B@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >house >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >doing >>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >an >>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>wireless >>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >protocols. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >have >>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>> of transmission? >>>>> >>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>operation. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>> hundred watts. >>>> >>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>> operation. >>> >>>If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >>>that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it work). >> >> You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is the >> high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. >> >> But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could probably >> use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. >> >>>>>If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>>>production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >>>>>the electric bill. >>>> >>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>> >>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>> >>>So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >>>may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >> >> You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output >> for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by >> 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be >> received with s simple whip or small dipole. >> >> 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power >> source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, >> a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, >> for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. >> >> Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that >> could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. >> >> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long >> period. > >I was primarily thinking about the antenna. With urban sprawl, >the people who could work on the antenna of a station might >not be able to travel. In Massachusetts, the radio people >move into hotels next door to the station when a big storm >is predicted and the governor moves into the civil defense >bunker in Framingham. In winter time, people gas up their >snowmobiles but can't use them for hurricane weather. You can build a quite effective SW antenna with trees, bale wire and string. I did so when I was 11. My dad had a "manual mobile", really a 37Mhz VHF. The cabinn for our holidays was well out of range from the "base station". So, I had just read a book on antenna design. I decided to try a full wave Yagi. So I cut up 8.04 meters (I still remember the measure) of bale wire around 10 times, and used a compass to point it at the base station. Had a dipole and upper/lower lobe handler at the rear plus 6 ribs pointing towards the base. All mounted at arund 6m height in some trees, with string as isolator and bale wire as the conductors. The dipole got real isolators. When we tested, we were ordered to turn down the volume. We could barely make out a voice in the static without it (without being able to decode words) and were unable to transmit anything thar gave a response with the little ~2m antenna that was part of the kit. It worked like a charm for years afterwards. The farm never got their bale wire back. I visited the cabin last summer. Bits of it was still there. A basic dipole will go a long way. It takes around 25 meters of wire, three isolators, some string and some structure to mount it in. -- mrr
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM0005327C31D607FB@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163464 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <PM0005326868D3E78B@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com>, >>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>house >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>doing >>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>>wireless >>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>protocols. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>have >>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>> >>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>operation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>> hundred watts. >>>>> >>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>> operation. >>>> >>>>If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one (and >>>>that assumes that someone nearby knows how to build it and make it work). >>> >>> You can scavenge all kinds of electronics. The "special" part is the >>> high current output transistors/thyristors/even pentodes. >>> >>> But then SW is only a few tens of megaherts, so you could probably >>> use any sort-of-recent high power thyristors. >>> >>>>>>If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already got the >>>>>>production facilities, it's just transmitters and antennas and paying >>>>>>the electric bill. >>>>> >>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>>>> >>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>>> >>>>So building one also includes having some kind of power source which >>>>may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>> >>> You don't have to build radio LUX. 50 watts is the normal output >>> for a hobbyist rookie license. You probably want to increase that by >>> 5-10fold to have a SW radio covering a 4-5 state area and could be >>> received with s simple whip or small dipole. >>> >>> 500 watts of output through a simple transmitter would require a power >>> source of a few kilowatts. Say 3kw, and you have enough for lights, >>> a mixing table, a few cds and tape reels. (still in use on broadcast, >>> for the long nighters). Or some pcs with digital production tools. >>> >>> Put a lot of effort into the antenna; but the materials for that >>> could be wire and string plus some primitive isolators. >>> >>> A home 6kw diesel generator or a largish solar panel with a Tesla >>> or two Leafs as batteries could easily supply that for a long >>> period. >> >>I was primarily thinking about the antenna. With urban sprawl, >>the people who could work on the antenna of a station might >>not be able to travel. In Massachusetts, the radio people >>move into hotels next door to the station when a big storm >>is predicted and the governor moves into the civil defense >>bunker in Framingham. In winter time, people gas up their >>snowmobiles but can't use them for hurricane weather. > > You can build a quite effective SW antenna with trees, bale > wire and string. I did so when I was 11. My dad had a "manual > mobile", really a 37Mhz VHF. The cabinn for our holidays was > well out of range from the "base station". > > So, I had just read a book on antenna design. I decided to > try a full wave Yagi. So I cut up 8.04 meters (I still remember > the measure) of bale wire around 10 times, and used a compass > to point it at the base station. Had a dipole and upper/lower > lobe handler at the rear plus 6 ribs pointing towards the > base. All mounted at arund 6m height in some trees, with string > as isolator and bale wire as the conductors. The dipole got > real isolators. > > When we tested, we were ordered to turn down the volume. We > could barely make out a voice in the static without it (without > being able to decode words) and were unable to transmit anything > thar gave a response with the little ~2m antenna that was part > of the kit. > > It worked like a charm for years afterwards. The farm never > got their bale wire back. > > I visited the cabin last summer. Bits of it was still there. > > A basic dipole will go a long way. It takes around 25 meters of > wire, three isolators, some string and some structure to mount it > in. Oh, kewl. I wish I'd been your neighbor when I was a kid. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 03:45 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dp9c9fF1d0aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163410 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, > wireless >>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>> >>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>> >>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>> >>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>> protocols. >>>>> >>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>> have >>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>> unconsitutional >>>>> in all of them. >>>>> >>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>> actively trying. >>>>> >>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>> >>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>> of transmission? >>> >>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>operation. >> >> >> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >> hundred watts. >> >> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >> operation. > > If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. > (and that assumes that someone nearby > knows how to build it and make it work). Doesn’t have to be nearby anymore. We don’t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. > So building one also includes having some kind of power source > which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. Whereas sat phones work fine.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 13:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163437 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >> Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >> wireless >>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>> >>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>> protocols. >>>>>> >>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>> have >>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>> >>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>> of transmission? >>>> >>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>operation. >>> >>> >>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>> hundred watts. >>> >>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>> operation. >> >> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one > > Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. > >> (and that assumes that someone nearby >> knows how to build it and make it work). > > Doesn’t have to be nearby anymore. > > We don’t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. > >>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. > >>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. > >>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. > >> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. > > Whereas sat phones work fine. Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. /BAH
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-05-09 15:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <jrf60d-akf.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #163457 |
In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>> wireless >>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>> of transmission? >>>>> >>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>operation. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>> hundred watts. >>>> >>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>> operation. >>> >>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >> >> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >> >>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>> knows how to build it and make it work). >> >> Doesn’t have to be nearby anymore. >> >> We don’t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >> >>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >> >>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >> >>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >> >>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >> >> Whereas sat phones work fine. > >Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. > >/BAH Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a relationship with an administration that works). But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far away from a sat phone. -- mrr
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 04:53 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <dpc4m2FihqjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #163465 |
"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message news:jrf60d-akf.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... > In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network >>>>>>>>>>>> data. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted >>>>>>>> communication >>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 >>>>>>>> deep >>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>> >>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>operation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>> hundred watts. >>>>> >>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent >>>>> setup, >>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>> operation. >>>> >>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>> >>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>> >>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>> >>> Doesn’t have to be nearby anymore. >>> >>> We don’t do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>> >>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>> >>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 >>>>> per >>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>> >>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>> >>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>> >>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >> >>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >> >>/BAH > > Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, > powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have > a relationship with an administration that works). The local authoritys with the sat phones always do. > But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are > anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, > around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster > than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. > Usually, it isn't; Ours are. We haven't lost a single one in any hurricane or cyclone and Darwin was much more serious than Dagmar. > and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far away from a sat phone. Fine for communicating with those who will be doing the assistance and with everyone else that is local with a sat phone.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 12:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM0005327BF966306C@aca4069b.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163465 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <PM0005326840B0791A@aca40e74.ipt.aol.com>, > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00053254338F0E4C@aca41104.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> In article <nglkad$nu0$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>> Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >>>>>>On 5/7/2016 8:14 AM, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>>>>> In article <dp1kscFeu7sU1@mid.individual.net>, >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:PM0005321708BD3403@aca40637.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 4 May 2016 13:02:19 GMT >>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 May 2016 11:50:51 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that this is a single-point failure in communications. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is worrisome. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really between the main feed and the cellphones in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> house >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have three independent routes to the internet, this is not >>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are assuming governments will not try to control network data. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping that governments I live under will not succeed in >>>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>>> so. If end-to-end encryption is taken away it is past time to have >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative. Fortunately there is the hardware for a pervasive, >>>> wireless >>>>>>>>>>> mesh network already in place - all it needs is software and >>>>>>>>>>> participants. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> US Congress keeps trying. I think it's inevitable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More fool you. It isn't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Already the US Congress can't do a damned thing about completely >>>>>>>>> secure end to end communication between cellphones alone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They could devise firewalls that blocked all encrypted communication >>>>>>>> that showed the encryption in the frames. You only need around 50 deep >>>>>>>> inspection rules to do this for the published, shrink-wrapped >>>>>>>> protocols. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The answer is steganography. Everyone knows this, and the "open 38" >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> decided that that filtering route is a dead end, and probably >>>>>>> unconsitutional >>>>>>>> in all of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The remaining ~155 nations are still undecided. Around 50 of them are >>>>>>>> actively trying. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will keep my SW radio. Just in case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much time and money is required to reinstate the infrastructure >>>>>>> of transmission? >>>>>> >>>>>>Probably not more than setting up a large clear-channel AM station. >>>>>>Just the transmitters and antennas are different. Part would depend on >>>>>>where (and how many places) you were going to broadcast to, as >>>>>>different destinations require different antenna arrays. Low millions >>>>>>for the basic kit, I'd guess. More for a VOA/BBC/Radio Moscow level of >>>>>>operation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have an emergency where you just need a cheap, wide covering >>>>> radio station I would go for some low-ish SW station; like 11M, and >>>>> beef up the transmitter to a few tens of kilowatts. Which is plainly >>>>> illegal by normal transmitter regulations. The normal limit is a few >>>>> hundred watts. >>>>> >>>>> This should cost in the low hundreds of thousands for a permanent setup, >>>>> some tens of thousands for a temporary one built for a few weeks of >>>>> operation. >>>> >>>> If it's an emergency, would there be enough parts to build one >>> >>> Nope, that's why sat phones would be used instead. >>> >>>> (and that assumes that someone nearby >>>> knows how to build it and make it work). >>> >>> Doesnât have to be nearby anymore. >>> >>> We donât do it like that with major emergencies anymore. >>> >>>>>> If they're streaming on the Internet now, they've already >>>>>> got the production facilities, it's just transmitters and >>>>>> antennas and paying the electric bill. >>> >>>>> The limit for AM was 50kW for a long time, but then the capitalists >>>>> got what they wanted. 2 MW has been in use for several stations, ISTR >>>>> some Canadian one still runs at that effect. This has an electricity >>>>> cost alone of ~3MW x 0.07 $/kWh x 24 hours per day, or around $5000 per >>>>> day just in electricity. $1.8M per year. >>> >>>>> Assuming 2/3 effiency in radiated vs input energy. Which is VERY good. >>> >>>> So building one also includes having some kind of power source >>>> which may not be available if the situation is an emergency. >>> >>> Whereas sat phones work fine. >> >>Not after a hurricane. A big sleet storm would wipe out comm, too. >> >>/BAH > > Yes, satellite phones will work as long as the satellite is in orbit, > powered, accepting your calls (i.e. bills are paid and you have a relationship > with an administration that works). > > But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are > anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, > around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster > than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. > Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far > away from a sat phone. A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will be no recharging until the power grid is up. The whole point of doing a radio broadcast is to disseminate information about the storm and its after effects. Keepiing people off the streets is important. People tend to get cabin fever when they think they can't get out to see what's going on. A radio powered by batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other kind of comm. /BAH
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-05-10 13:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <g_kYy.16838$6k.8876@fx26.iad> |
| In reply to | #163512 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >Morten Reistad wrote: >> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >> away from a sat phone. > >A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >be no recharging until the power grid is up. You've never heard of solar panels or portable generators? > A radio powered by >batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >kind of comm. You seem to be contradicting yourself.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-11 12:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM0005328FBBC12031@aca46c75.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163515 |
Scott Lurndal wrote: > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>Morten Reistad wrote: > >>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>> away from a sat phone. >> >>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>be no recharging until the power grid is up. > > You've never heard of solar panels or portable generators? Not everyone can buy them. Solar only works if the sun shines at a good angle. > > >> A radio powered by >>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>kind of comm. > > You seem to be contradicting yourself. How? Most of my posts have been talking about generating a broadcast signal. /BAH
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-05-11 13:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <6eGYy.30036$H_5.8125@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #163552 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>Morten Reistad wrote: >> >>>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>>> away from a sat phone. >>> >>>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>>be no recharging until the power grid is up. >> >> You've never heard of solar panels or portable generators? > >Not everyone can buy them. Solar only works if the sun shines >at a good angle. Say what? Solar works fine everywhere in the USA, and the sun shines, on average 12 hours -each- day. Small solar panels can be had for less than $50 bux, sufficient to recharge a handheld transceiver. >> >> >>> A radio powered by >>>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>>kind of comm. >> >> You seem to be contradicting yourself. > >How? Most of my posts have been talking about generating a >broadcast signal. sat phones don't generate a broadcast signal as you define it.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-12 13:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: AM radio Qbasic |
| Message-ID | <PM000532A4BAE5880D@aca41f2e.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #163561 |
Scott Lurndal wrote: > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>>Morten Reistad wrote: >>> >>>>> But on the VHF you just go to challen 16 and listen if there are >>>>> anyone on, and if not you transmit a message. Anyone in the vicinity, >>>>> around 50-100 km away, can respond. Works a lot better in a disaster >>>>> than the phone system, which requires the phone network to be up. >>>>> Usually, it isn't; and you will be rerouted to somewhere quite far >>>>> away from a sat phone. >>>> >>>>A sat phone will only work until the batteries go low. There will >>>>be no recharging until the power grid is up. >>> >>> You've never heard of solar panels or portable generators? >> >>Not everyone can buy them. Solar only works if the sun shines >>at a good angle. > > Say what? Solar works fine everywhere in the USA, and the > sun shines, on average 12 hours -each- day. Not here. It's cloudy a lot. The sun isn't shining if there's a hurricane or ice/snow storm. > > Small solar panels can be had for less than $50 bux, sufficient > to recharge a handheld transceiver. > >>> >>> >>>> A radio powered by >>>>batteries lasts a lot longer and functions better than any other >>>>kind of comm. >>> >>> You seem to be contradicting yourself. >> >>How? Most of my posts have been talking about generating a >>broadcast signal. > > sat phones don't generate a broadcast signal as you define it. And I'm not the one who claimed that sat phones was a solution. Sheesh. How many of those solar panels or generators would be needed to operate an AM radio transmitter? /BAH
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