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Re: Qbasic

Started byAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
First post2016-02-21 09:13 +0000
Last post2016-02-27 10:17 -0800
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  Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-21 09:13 +0000
    Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:23 +1100
      Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-21 17:38 +0000
        Re: Qbasic Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 17:59 +0000
        Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:41 +1100
          Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-22 01:21 +0000
            Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:00 +1100
            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:48 -0600
              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-22 16:43 -0600
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 20:49 -0600
    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-24 18:15 -0600
      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-24 17:59 -0700
        Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-24 19:30 -0600
          Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:20 -0600
        Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-24 17:58 -0800
          Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:38 +1100
          Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 05:25 -0500
            Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-25 10:22 -0500
            Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 04:31 +1100
            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 15:53 -0800
              Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 21:41 -0500
                Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 14:55 +1100
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-25 20:18 -0800
                  Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 05:23 -0500
                    Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-26 12:15 +0100
                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:24 -0800
                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:14 -0800
                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-25 23:34 -0600
                  Re: Qbasic "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 05:38 -0500
                    Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:46 +0000
                    Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-26 10:14 -0600
                      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 11:20 -0700
                        Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 14:15 -0500
                          Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-26 14:23 -0600
                            Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 15:50 -0500
                              Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 10:46 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 14:40 -0500
                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 18:25 -0600
                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:40 -0800
                            Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:47 -0700
                              Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:32 -0600
                              Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 10:39 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:23 -0800
                                  Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 14:27 -0700
                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:58 -0800
                                      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 07:22 -0700
                                        Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 04:03 +1100
                                    Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-02 13:52 +0000
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 13:56 -0600
                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-26 12:51 -0600
                      Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-02-26 23:12 -0500
                        Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-27 09:17 +0000
                          Re: Qbasic sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2016-02-27 14:37 -0500
                            Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-27 17:08 -0800
                            Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-28 09:57 +0000
                              Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-28 15:56 +0100
                                Re: Qbasic Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-28 19:00 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-29 22:14 +0000
                            Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-01 22:26 +0000
                              Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 12:26 +0000
                                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-02 13:46 +0000
                                  Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-02 21:09 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-03 05:33 +0000
                                Re: Qbasic Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-02 19:28 +0000
                                  Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 15:45 -0800
                                  Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 16:27 -0800
                                    Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-03 01:02 -0800
                                    Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 17:59 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-17 10:42 -0700
                          Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-27 19:43 +0000
                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:21 -0800
                      Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-27 20:19 +0100
                  Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-26 08:27 -0600
                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:25 -0800
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 09:30 -0600
            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 15:00 -0600
              Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 13:52 -0800
              Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 17:16 -0600
              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-27 18:22 -0600
                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-27 17:12 -0800
                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 20:23 -0600
                    Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 05:43 -0800
                      Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 03:34 +1100
                        Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 08:41 -0800
                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-28 11:16 -0600
                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-28 14:57 -0600
                            Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:55 +1100
                              Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-29 09:25 +0000
                                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 09:46 +0000
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 09:22 -0600
                                    Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 16:17 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 09:58 +0000
                                      Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:17 +1100
                                        Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 08:59 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:25 +1100
                                  Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:38 +1100
                                    Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:14 +0000
                                      Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:20 +1100
                                        Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:01 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:35 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:35 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-07 18:19 -0500
                                  Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-08 00:48 +0000
                          Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:49 +1100
                            Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:12 +0000
                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-29 10:46 -0600
                              Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 12:49 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 11:03 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:51 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 15:56 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:26 +0000
                                  Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:30 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 12:28 -0600
                                    Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:10 +0000
                                      Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-03 10:36 +0000
                            Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-29 17:35 +0000
                      Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-28 18:41 -0600
                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-27 20:12 -0600
        Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:18 -0600
          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 03:28 -0700
            Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-26 15:48 +0000
              Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 11:20 -0700
                Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-26 14:09 -0500
                  Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-27 03:15 -0600
                Re: Qbasic "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 09:22 +1100
                Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-27 03:13 -0600
                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-27 10:28 -0800
                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-28 12:59 +0000
                  Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 03:32 +1100
                    Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 08:40 -0800
                      Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 14:36 -0500
                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-28 18:06 -0700
                          Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-28 20:27 -0500
                        Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 20:22 -0800
                          Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:38 +1100
                            Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:40 +0000
                              Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 06:42 +0000
                                Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-07 18:35 -0500
                                  Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 13:00 +1100
                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:54 +1100
                              Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-29 10:51 +0100
                                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:05 +0000
                            Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-28 22:06 -0800
                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:01 +1100
                              Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-29 08:58 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 05:01 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:46 -0800
                                  Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:24 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-01 10:12 -0800
                                      Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:59 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:59 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 16:06 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 09:12 +1100
                                  Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:37 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:24 +1100
                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 12:18 -0600
                                      Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 06:04 +1100
                                      Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:08 +0000
                                        Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 11:33 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 11:46 -0700
                              Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-13 11:25 -0700
                      Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:47 +1100
                    Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-28 10:58 -0600
                      Re: Qbasic "Alexis" <ggyy@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 09:51 +1100
                        Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-29 16:01 +0000
                    Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 04:17 +0000
                      Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-28 20:38 -0800
                        Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:44 +1100
                          Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:46 +0000
                            Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:59 +1100
                        Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-29 09:56 +0000
                      Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-28 22:53 -0600
                        Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 05:35 +0000
                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-29 06:44 -0600
                            Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-29 14:02 +0100
                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 04:51 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 11:36 -0700
                                  Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 08:58 +1100
                                  Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-01 10:20 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:47 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 10:16 -0800
                                        Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:28 -0800
                                          Re: Qbasic Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 21:03 +0000
                                            Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:23 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:02 -0600
                                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:18 +1100
                                              Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 12:19 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-01 15:14 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:24 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:53 -0800
                                          Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:13 +1100
                                          Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:15 +0000
                                            Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:38 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-09 12:38 -0800
                                              Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-09 19:15 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 05:06 -0800
                                                  Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 09:35 -0600
                                                    Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 07:42 -0800
                                                  Re: Qbasic "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 04:14 +1100
                                              Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-10 15:52 -0600
                                        Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-02 14:19 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 07:23 -0700
                                            Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-02 07:29 -0800
                                            Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 04:04 +1100
                                              Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-02 12:50 -0500
                                                Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 11:55 +1100
                                                  Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
                                                    Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:37 +1100
                                              Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 19:40 +0000
                                            Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
                                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:34 +1100
                                              Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 11:46 -0700
                                                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 11:47 -0800
                                                  Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-03 22:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0700
                                                    Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:16 +1100
                                          Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-02 15:54 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 03:44 +1100
                                          Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 16:59 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-02 15:08 -0600
                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 12:19 -0800
                                        Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:11 +1100
                                      Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 08:56 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:21 +1100
                                      Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-01 10:57 -0600
                                        Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 05:56 +1100
                                      Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-03 09:01 +0000
                                        Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:37 +1100
                                  Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-01 13:55 +0000
                                    Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:28 +1100
                              Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:41 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 14:16 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:24 -0800
                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 14:41 -0500
                                      Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-03-21 20:42 +0000
                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:55 -0700
                                          Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 13:16 +1100
                                        Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-21 17:00 -0500
                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 17:12 -0700
                                            Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 18:44 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 21:06 -0700
                                                Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 23:13 -0700
                                            Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 13:25 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-21 23:36 -0500
                                            Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-22 12:56 +0100
                                              Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:11 +0000
                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:33 -0500
                                            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 10:32 -0500
                                              Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 10:06 -0700
                                                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 17:38 +0000
                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 13:10 -0500
                                                  Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-22 19:41 +0000
                                                Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 05:09 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-23 17:00 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 11:09 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-25 08:50 -0400
                                              Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-25 10:00 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:34 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 12:58 -0700
                              Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 14:01 -0600
                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-29 16:07 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-29 16:39 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 10:49 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 10:41 +1100
                      Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-29 10:26 -0500
                        Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 17:38 +0000
                          Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-29 12:56 -0500
                            Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 18:01 +0000
                          Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 10:53 -0800
                            Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-29 19:21 +0000
                              Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-29 20:19 +0000
                                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-29 20:32 +0000
                                  Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-01 16:18 -0600
                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 14:25 -0600
                                      Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-02 16:51 -0600
                                        Re: Qbasic "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:17 +1100
                                        Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 09:48 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 13:29 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-10 18:27 -0600
                                              Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-10 20:14 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 11:06 +0000
                                                  Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-11 10:09 -0600
                                                    Re: Qbasic Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 11:21 -0500
                                                      Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-11 10:28 -0800
                                                        Re: Qbasic Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 16:12 -0500
                                                    Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-11 19:42 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-10 16:58 -0800
                                      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700
                                        Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 00:51 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 18:59 +1100
                                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-03 10:48 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:52 -0400
                                    Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 18:11 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-16 20:52 -0500
                                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-29 16:26 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 13:52 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:10 +1100
                                  Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-01 15:44 -0800
                      Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-01 13:36 -0600
                        Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-01 12:55 -0800
                          Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 10:21 +1100
                          Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-02 08:01 +0000
                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 11:57 -0800
                              Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-02 15:13 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-02 17:32 -0600
                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 13:36 -0600
                            Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-02 19:44 +0000
                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 12:14 -0800
                              Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-02 14:43 -0600
                                Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-02 18:06 -0800
                                Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 10:44 -0600
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-03 11:23 -0600
                                    Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:03 -0600
                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 14:04 -0800
                                        Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-03 16:16 -0800
                                            Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 17:02 -0800
                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-03 17:04 -0700
                                          Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 19:01 -0600
                                      Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-04 09:47 -0600
                                        Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-04 11:25 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-04 12:32 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-04 12:34 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-04 12:08 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:02 +1100
                                        Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-04 10:54 -0800
                                          Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-04 20:36 +0000
                                            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-05 15:41 -0600
                                              Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 14:12 +0000
                                                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 10:28 -0600
                                                  Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 17:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 14:42 -0600
                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:28 +0000
                                                        Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-07 22:37 -0600
                                                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 09:16 -0600
                                                            Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 09:22 -0600
                                                              Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:45 -0400
                                                            Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-08 17:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-08 10:38 -0700
                                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 22:11 -0600
                                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 09:10 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 10:38 -0700
                                                  Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 13:07 -0500
                                                    Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 11:27 -0800
                                                      Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 16:28 -0500
                                                          Re: Trump vs. Hillary Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-07 14:05 -0800
                                                            Re: Trump vs. Hillary Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-07 14:28 -0800
                                                            Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 17:37 -0500
                                                              Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 16:10 -0800
                                                                Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
                                                                  Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 18:00 -0800
                                                                  Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:07 -0500
                                                                    Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 20:06 -0800
                                                                  Re: Trump vs. Hillary Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-16 20:39 -0400
                                                          Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
                                                            Re: Trump vs. Hillary JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 20:23 -0600
                                                            Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:17 -0500
                                                              Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-07 20:15 -0800
                                                                Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 08:13 -0600
                                                                  Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-08 07:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Trump vs. Hillary Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 08:53 -0600
                                                                  Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-08 10:58 -0600
                                                                  Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-08 15:34 -0800
                                                                    Re: Trump vs. Hillary scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-09 14:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 10:05 -0600
                                                                      Re: Trump vs. Hillary hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-09 09:41 -0800
                                                                      Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 04:57 +1100
                                                                        Re: Trump vs. Hillary Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-09 21:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: Trump vs. Hillary "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 15:23 -0600
                                                                            Re: Trump vs. Hillary Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-10 17:40 +0000
                                                        Re: Trump vs. Hillary scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Trump vs. Hillary Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 18:30 -0700
                                                            Re: Trump vs. Hillary Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-07 22:25 -0500
                                                  Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 18:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 18:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 21:24 +0000
                                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-07 12:59 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-08 08:44 -0600
                                                  Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-08 09:19 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-05 15:29 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-07 14:21 +0000
                                        Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 15:45 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-06 17:52 -0800
                                            Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 13:42 +1100
                                            Re: Qbasic JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 10:11 -0600
                                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-07 13:04 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-07 13:35 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 10:31 +1100
                                  Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-03 19:28 -0600
                                    Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:19 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-03 11:04 -0600
                              Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-02 17:35 -0700
                                Re: Qbasic "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 12:20 +1100
                                Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-16 22:40 -0500
                                  Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 09:44 -0700
                                    Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 12:10 -0600
                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 19:53 +0000
                                        Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 17:01 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-17 07:39 -0500
                                        Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-18 12:42 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:02 +1100
                                        Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 10:52 -0500
                                            Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
                                      Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-17 07:41 -0500
                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 11:54 -0500
                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-18 12:55 -0700
                                      Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-18 15:42 -0600
                                        Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 17:54 -0500
                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-18 17:47 -0700
                                            Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-18 19:57 -0500
                                              Re: Qbasic Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-18 21:09 -0400
                                                Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-20 12:55 -0500
                                                  Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-20 14:39 -0700
                                                    Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-21 07:53 +0000
                                                      Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:00 -0500
                                                  Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-21 20:48 -0400
                                        Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-19 12:56 -0500
                                          Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-19 17:07 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-20 03:35 +0000
                                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 07:45 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-20 06:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 09:16 -0600
                                                    Re: Qbasic "John Akers" <ja5443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 04:41 +1100
                                                      Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 13:21 -0600
                                                        Re: Qbasic "John Akers" <ja5443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:09 +1100
                                                        Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 16:37 -0500
                                                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 13:17 +0000
                                            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 17:02 -0500
                                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 18:04 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:57 +0000
                                                  Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-21 11:24 -0600
                                                    Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-21 16:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-21 17:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 12:55 -0500
                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:03 -0700
                                                        Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 16:26 -0500
                                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700
                                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:56 -0700
                                                  Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 10:56 -0700
                                                    Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-21 11:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 14:07 -0700
                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-22 17:08 -0700
                                                          Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-23 10:08 -0700
                                                      Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-13 07:57 -0700
                                                    Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-21 19:45 +0000
                                                    Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 13:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-22 07:31 -0700
                                                            Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 08:31 -0700
                                                  Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-21 20:17 +0100
                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-21 12:42 -0500
                                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-22 13:33 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:58 -0600
                                                Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 16:28 -0500
                                      Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-19 13:12 -0500
                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-19 16:48 -0700
                                          Re: Qbasic Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-03-20 00:37 +0000
                                          Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-20 12:57 -0500
                                            Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 13:05 -0600
                                            Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-20 12:43 -0600
                                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-20 14:04 -0600
                                              Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 19:06 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:04 -0500
                                          Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-20 16:52 -0500
                                            Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-20 19:06 -0700
                                              Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 12:06 -0500
                                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-21 13:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-21 19:03 -0500
                                                  Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 12:04 -0500
                                                    Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 12:17 -0600
                                                      Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-22 12:40 -0500
                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-22 17:43 +0000
                                                        Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 12:55 -0600
                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-22 11:20 -0700
                                                          Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 14:00 -0600
                                                            Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 14:32 -0500
                                                              Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 06:53 +1100
                                                              Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 15:03 -0600
                                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-22 19:34 -0500
                                                                  Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-22 17:57 -0700
                                                              Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-22 21:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-23 18:34 -0500
                                                                  Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 14:39 +1100
                                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 07:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-23 09:40 -0500
                                                              Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-23 16:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 17:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-23 18:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:30 +1100
                                                            Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-23 15:16 -0500
                                                              Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:51 +1100
                                                              Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-24 01:14 +0100
                                                                Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-23 22:36 -0500
                                                              Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-23 19:02 -0700
                                                                Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 14:29 +1100
                                                                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-24 13:03 +0000
                                                                  Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-25 12:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-25 09:22 -0500
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:03 +1100
                                                                      Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
                                                                        Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:14 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 12:00 -0700
                                                                          Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 07:55 +0100
                                                                            Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-29 13:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last,name.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:12 +0200
                                                                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 05:43 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 05:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 17:26 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 09:56 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:29 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> - 2016-03-30 23:06 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:14 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:08 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 15:04 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-31 11:17 -0500
                                                                                Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 05:37 +1100
                                                                              Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 17:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:08 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:17 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-30 11:01 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-30 15:13 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:14 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 15:53 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 20:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic pechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-04-01 16:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-01 12:27 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:52 -0500
                                                                              Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-29 14:05 -0500
                                                                                Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 20:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 09:41 +1100
                                                                                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:15 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 15:17 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:07 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:22 +1100
                                                                                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 16:05 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:45 +1100
                                                                              Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:22 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-29 22:04 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-30 17:29 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:19 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 19:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-02 13:12 -0700
                                                                                Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-30 13:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 15:16 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 03:58 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-30 19:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:13 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 09:15 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 21:19 +1100
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-31 11:23 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:38 +1100
                                                                                              Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-31 12:33 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-31 12:16 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:00 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-31 12:41 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-31 13:10 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-31 11:27 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:39 +1100
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:55 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:11 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:20 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-30 11:48 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 15:56 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 08:11 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-31 16:41 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-31 07:10 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-30 16:27 -0500
                                                                            Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-29 17:14 +0000
                                                                              Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 17:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-29 23:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-31 11:19 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 19:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-02 13:24 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-03 08:39 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-03 13:47 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:48 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 12:00 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 14:49 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-04 18:38 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2016-04-09 18:23 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 14:49 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic "Thomas Johns" <TJzz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:03 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:45 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 12:18 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-04-03 14:45 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-04-04 17:34 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-05 13:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-04-05 10:16 -0500
                                                                    Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:05 +1100
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-25 12:15 -0600
                                                                    Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-26 11:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-26 12:43 -0500
                                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:55 -0700
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 12:24 -0700
                                                                          Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:31 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:24 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-28 15:53 -0600
                                                                          Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 21:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-25 22:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-26 07:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:18 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-26 17:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-26 19:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-26 20:22 +0000
                                                                              Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 04:34 -0300
                                                                                Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-27 09:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: Qbasic Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-27 17:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-27 13:28 +0000
                                                                              Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 04:21 +1100
                                                                    Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 04:17 +1100
                                                                      Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-26 12:47 -0500
                                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:50 -0700
                                                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:48 -0700
                                                                      Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 07:29 +0100
                                                                Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 09:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-24 09:52 -0600
                                                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 10:18 -0500
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-24 10:39 -0600
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 09:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-24 10:37 -0700
                                                                    Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 11:04 -0700
                                                                      Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-24 14:19 -0700
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-04-11 23:00 -0700
                                                                    Re: Qbasic Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-24 13:25 -0500
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 07:15 +1100
                                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 05:26 +1100
                                                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:20 -0700
                                                                    Re: Qbasic greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2016-03-25 12:17 +0000
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 04:09 +1100
                                                                  Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-24 13:12 -0700
                                                                  Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 04:43 -0300
                                                                    Re: Qbasic jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-27 13:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 04:45 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-27 13:02 -0500
                                                                          Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-27 19:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-27 15:25 -0700
                                                                            Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-27 15:40 -0700
                                                                            Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-27 17:40 -0500
                                                                              Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 11:10 +1100
                                                                            Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 11:08 +1100
                                                                            Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 09:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 11:15 -0700
                                                                          Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 12:02 -0700
                                                                          Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-28 07:32 +1100
                                                                          Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-27 17:48 -0500
                                                                            Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-27 15:53 -0700
                                                                              Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-28 13:29 -0500
                                                                                Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-28 12:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:34 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 21:12 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 13:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-29 14:47 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-29 15:49 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-29 17:15 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:17 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-30 12:22 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-04-01 05:25 +1100
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-31 20:08 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-31 20:57 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-01 07:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-01 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-01 13:51 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-02 06:23 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-02 08:33 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 12:27 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-04-04 20:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 17:45 -0700
                                                                              Re: Qbasic JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> - 2016-03-28 13:30 -0500
                                                                    Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 13:12 -0700
                                                                      Re: Qbasic Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-27 18:31 -0300
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-27 16:32 -0700
                                                                      Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-28 09:30 +0000
                                                                        Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 04:17 +1100
                                                                      Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 04:57 -0700
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-28 12:50 -0700
                                                                      Re: Qbasic "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 04:30 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 10:55 -0400
                                                                          Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-04-04 11:01 -0700
                                                                            Re: Qbasic Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-04-04 19:43 +0100
                                                                              Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-04 23:31 +0200
                                                                            Re: Qbasic "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-04-04 17:15 -0500
                                                                              Re: Qbasic Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-04-05 00:42 +0200
                                                                      Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:41 -0700
                                                                        Re: Qbasic "764hho" <764hho@nospam.com> - 2016-03-29 07:20 +1100
                                                                        Re: Qbasic Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-28 14:56 -0700
                                                                    Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-28 11:30 -0700
                                                                      Re: Qbasic Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-28 12:20 -0700
                                                                        Re: Qbasic hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-29 17:11 -0700
                                                                          Re: Qbasic Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-29 20:33 -0500
                                                                            Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 10:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: Qbasic Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-30 06:15 -0700
                                                                              Re: Qbasic mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-30 16:07 +0000
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#161675

From"764hho" <764hho@nospam.com>
Date2016-03-31 07:08 +1100
Message-ID<dm2q1cFilo4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161665

"JimP." <blue@cwahi.net> wrote in message 
news:t82ofbt0tt1d32fp5qmrfbuc81lve4skfm@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:15:34 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>> On 29/03/2016 19:43, 764hho wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1651657473.480960726.715650.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Morten Reistad <first@last,name.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <PM00052F304BD424D4@aca412e9.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the left and dependency on government, there are
>>>>>>>>> two components to it.  The rank and file see it has helping
>>>>>>>>> the disadvantaged and starving children with the hope of becoming
>>>>>>>>> eventually independent.  They love to tell stories of homeless
>>>>>>>>> kids graduating from college, thanks to govt aid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, the leadership does it as you describe--creating a
>>>>>>>>> long term dependency, which in turn creates life time employment
>>>>>>>>> for the social activists, and they want to keep that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course both views are correct, because both outcomes occur. The
>>>>>>>> thing is to consider the outcomes in both types of cases without 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> support, is it better or worse ? In the first case the starving and
>>>>>>>> disadvantaged children who might have become independent 
>>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>>>> adults die, in the second case I suppose some die and some work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Net effect without support it seems you have a higher proportion of
>>>>>>>> the population working but the price is a higher proportion of the
>>>>>>>> population starving, and an increase in general disease levels.
>>>>>>>> Probably
>>>>>>>> worth spending a bit to avoid that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the US, people aren't starving and they spend the welfare money
>>>>>>> on big TVs, cigarettes, booze, etc. and don't learn how to work.
>>>>>>> Welfare should be a temporary safety net and not a long-term
>>>>>>> income stream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For regular people, yes. However there are the 2-3% who are severely
>>>>>> handicapped. They will need support, ideally by adapting a workplace,
>>>>>> but in many cases this is not feasible, and they will need lifelong
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the US people rarely starve, but they do get pretty malnourished
>>>>>> and many have very skewed diets. Much due to how the food support is
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many comment on the bad diet of poor people.  While some is
>>>>> undoubtedly due
>>>>> to the lack of good grocery stores, some studies have shown that their
>>>>> eating habits are actually a survival strategy.  "Junk food", like 
>>>>> potato
>>>>> chips and soda provides the most calories per dollar, while good 
>>>>> stuff,
>>>>> like fresh vegetables, is relatively calorie-poor.
>>>>
>>>> And that is a large part of the reason for the obesity epidemic
>>>> amongst poor people.
>>>>
>>>> Compounded by the fact that poor people don't grow
>>>> their own veg much at all anymore for various reasons.
>>>
>>> Turn food stamps into a ration card. When they have taken vegetables
>>> home they will probably eat them.
>>>
>>
>>I suppose it wouldn't work logistically any more, but they used to give 
>>out
>>actual food instead of a card.  Recipients got things like rice, cheese,
>>butter, milk, etc.  I don't know what they did about vegetables, though.
>>This seems better since you can probably try to distribute the ingredients
>>of a balanced diet, and it's harder (though possible) to monetize it to 
>>buy
>>booze and cigarettes.
>
> Separate program from Food Stamps, EBT debit cards, does give out food.

And cash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_benefit_transfer

> I believe its a separate paperwork process. Basically whatever
> surplus foods the government has purchased to keep food
> prices stable. Cheese, lots of starchy foods, canned goods.

And cash. 

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#161674

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-03-30 15:04 -0500
Message-ID<ndhbbd$sol$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#161633
On 3/30/2016 8:15 AM, Peter Flass wrote:

> I suppose it wouldn't work logistically any more, but they used to give out
> actual food instead of a card.  Recipients got things like rice, cheese,
> butter, milk, etc.  I don't know what they did about vegetables, though.

In more populated places, this does exist (independently from 
welfare/food stamps, though sometimes using similar income 
guidelines). Food shelves are one example. It depends on the venue 
just what's included, whether the site has refrigeration is a factor. 
Within a mile or so of where I live there are several weekly food 
shelves, a program called "Nutritional Aid for Seniors" (income/age 
qualified) that gives a monthly carton of staples (canned/dry/bottled 
juice/cereal/dry or brickpack milk) and a block of commodity cheese 
(think Brand X Velveeta). A biweekly vegetable distribution (luck of 
the draw, whatever turned up when wholesalers looked in the warehouse 
and said "that's gonna go bad before we can sell it"). Several places 
that serve regular meals (one is a training program for food-service 
workers, others are at churches or community centers), most to anyone 
who shows up.

The further you get away from the inner city, the sparser it becomes, 
though.



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#161724

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2016-03-31 11:17 -0500
Message-ID<ndjica$o2j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#161633
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:520770495.481036172.687444.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>> On 29/03/2016 19:43, 764hho wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1651657473.480960726.715650.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>> Morten Reistad <first@last,name.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article <PM00052F304BD424D4@aca412e9.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the left and dependency on government, there are
>>>>>>>> two components to it.  The rank and file see it has helping
>>>>>>>> the disadvantaged and starving children with the hope of becoming
>>>>>>>> eventually independent.  They love to tell stories of homeless
>>>>>>>> kids graduating from college, thanks to govt aid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, the leadership does it as you describe--creating a
>>>>>>>> long term dependency, which in turn creates life time employment
>>>>>>>> for the social activists, and they want to keep that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course both views are correct, because both outcomes occur. The
>>>>>>> thing is to consider the outcomes in both types of cases without the
>>>>>>> support, is it better or worse ? In the first case the starving and
>>>>>>> disadvantaged children who might have become independent 
>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>>> adults die, in the second case I suppose some die and some work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Net effect without support it seems you have a higher proportion of
>>>>>>> the population working but the price is a higher proportion of the
>>>>>>> population starving, and an increase in general disease levels.
>>>>>>> Probably
>>>>>>> worth spending a bit to avoid that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the US, people aren't starving and they spend the welfare money
>>>>>> on big TVs, cigarettes, booze, etc. and don't learn how to work.
>>>>>> Welfare should be a temporary safety net and not a long-term
>>>>>> income stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> For regular people, yes. However there are the 2-3% who are severely
>>>>> handicapped. They will need support, ideally by adapting a workplace,
>>>>> but in many cases this is not feasible, and they will need lifelong
>>>>> support.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the US people rarely starve, but they do get pretty malnourished
>>>>> and many have very skewed diets. Much due to how the food support is
>>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> Many comment on the bad diet of poor people.  While some is
>>>> undoubtedly due
>>>> to the lack of good grocery stores, some studies have shown that their
>>>> eating habits are actually a survival strategy.  "Junk food", like 
>>>> potato
>>>> chips and soda provides the most calories per dollar, while good stuff,
>>>> like fresh vegetables, is relatively calorie-poor.
>>>
>>> And that is a large part of the reason for the obesity epidemic
>>> amongst poor people.
>>>
>>> Compounded by the fact that poor people don’t grow
>>> their own veg much at all anymore for various reasons.
>>
>> Turn food stamps into a ration card. When they have taken vegetables
>> home they will probably eat them.
>>
>
> I suppose it wouldn't work logistically any more, but they used to give 
> out
> actual food instead of a card.  Recipients got things like rice, cheese,
> butter, milk, etc.  I don't know what they did about vegetables, though.
> This seems better since you can probably try to distribute the ingredients
> of a balanced diet, and it's harder (though possible) to monetize it to 
> buy
> booze and cigarettes.
>

This distribution of food was "commodities".  The needy could get 
"commodities".

-- 

numerist at aqaporin4 dot com

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#161596

From"764hho" <764hho@nospam.com>
Date2016-03-30 05:37 +1100
Message-ID<dm00bvFqvkrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161580

"Morten Reistad" <first@last,name.invalid> wrote in message 
news:cjiqsc-9dj.ln1@sambook.reistad.name...
> In article <PM00052F304BD424D4@aca412e9.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Regarding the left and dependency on government, there are
>>>> two components to it.  The rank and file see it has helping
>>>> the disadvantaged and starving children with the hope of becoming
>>>> eventually independent.  They love to tell stories of homeless
>>>> kids graduating from college, thanks to govt aid.
>>>>
>>>> However, the leadership does it as you describe--creating a
>>>> long term dependency, which in turn creates life time employment
>>>> for the social activists, and they want to keep that.
>>>
>>>     Of course both views are correct, because both outcomes occur. The
>>> thing is to consider the outcomes in both types of cases without the
>>> support, is it better or worse ? In the first case the starving and
>>> disadvantaged children who might have become independent contributing
>>> adults die, in the second case I suppose some die and some work.
>>>
>>>     Net effect without support it seems you have a higher proportion of
>>> the population working but the price is a higher proportion of the
>>> population starving, and an increase in general disease levels. Probably
>>> worth spending a bit to avoid that.
>>>
>>In the US, people aren't starving and they spend the welfare money
>>on big TVs, cigarettes, booze, etc. and don't learn how to work.
>>Welfare should be a temporary safety net and not a long-term
>>income stream.
>
> For regular people, yes. However there are the 2-3% who are severely
> handicapped.

It is very arguable whether it is that many.

> They will need support, ideally by adapting a workplace, but in
> many cases this is not feasible, and they will need lifelong support.

Yes, but the bulk of those who currently exist on welfare don’t.

> In the US people rarely starve,

It is only the anorexics and bulimics etc that do and they are mentally ill.

> but they do get pretty malnourished and many have very skewed diets.

Yes, but that isnt a welfare issue.

> Much due to how the food support is done.

It has nothing to do with how food support is done.
It is much more about how the fast food industry
works and how much easier it is to use that than to
eat properly and the fact that so many can't actually
do any better than shove stuff in the microwave. 

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#161581

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-03-29 15:54 +0000
Message-ID<SyxKy.207283$kx4.60235@fx34.iad>
In reply to#161573
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the left and dependency on government, there are
>>> two components to it.  The rank and file see it has helping
>>> the disadvantaged and starving children with the hope of becoming
>>> eventually independent.  They love to tell stories of homeless
>>> kids graduating from college, thanks to govt aid.
>>>
>>> However, the leadership does it as you describe--creating a
>>> long term dependency, which in turn creates life time employment
>>> for the social activists, and they want to keep that.
>>
>>     Of course both views are correct, because both outcomes occur. The
>> thing is to consider the outcomes in both types of cases without the
>> support, is it better or worse ? In the first case the starving and
>> disadvantaged children who might have become independent contributing
>> adults die, in the second case I suppose some die and some work.
>>
>>     Net effect without support it seems you have a higher proportion of
>> the population working but the price is a higher proportion of the
>> population starving, and an increase in general disease levels. Probably
>> worth spending a bit to avoid that.
>>
>In the US, people aren't starving and they spend the welfare money
>on big TVs, cigarettes, booze, etc. and don't learn how to work.
>Welfare should be a temporary safety net and not a long-term
>income stream.

There is __so__ much wrong with your statement that it's not worth
rebutting.   You can start by actually talking with some folks who
collect welfare and work two jobs and still can't find a place
they can afford to rent instead of parroting Rush Limbaugh & ilk.

You may also want to actually read up on the welfare reform in the 1990's
which ensured that welfare wasn't a "long-term income stream".

I'm not saying that it is not abused, just that that abuse is a
miniscule percentage, and the vast majority of recipients would be
perfectly happy to have a well-paying job such that they didn't need
to deal with the demeaning welfare system.

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#161584

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-03-29 09:17 -0700
Message-ID<1446284199.480960962.460382.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#161581
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Regarding the left and dependency on government, there are
>>>> two components to it.  The rank and file see it has helping
>>>> the disadvantaged and starving children with the hope of becoming
>>>> eventually independent.  They love to tell stories of homeless
>>>> kids graduating from college, thanks to govt aid.
>>>> 
>>>> However, the leadership does it as you describe--creating a
>>>> long term dependency, which in turn creates life time employment
>>>> for the social activists, and they want to keep that.
>>> 
>>> Of course both views are correct, because both outcomes occur. The
>>> thing is to consider the outcomes in both types of cases without the
>>> support, is it better or worse ? In the first case the starving and
>>> disadvantaged children who might have become independent contributing
>>> adults die, in the second case I suppose some die and some work.
>>> 
>>> Net effect without support it seems you have a higher proportion of
>>> the population working but the price is a higher proportion of the
>>> population starving, and an increase in general disease levels. Probably
>>> worth spending a bit to avoid that.
>>> 
>> In the US, people aren't starving and they spend the welfare money
>> on big TVs, cigarettes, booze, etc. and don't learn how to work.
>> Welfare should be a temporary safety net and not a long-term
>> income stream.
> 
> There is __so__ much wrong with your statement that it's not worth
> rebutting.   You can start by actually talking with some folks who
> collect welfare and work two jobs and still can't find a place
> they can afford to rent instead of parroting Rush Limbaugh & ilk.
> 
> You may also want to actually read up on the welfare reform in the 1990's
> which ensured that welfare wasn't a "long-term income stream".
> 
> I'm not saying that it is not abused, just that that abuse is a
> miniscule percentage, and the vast majority of recipients would be
> perfectly happy to have a well-paying job such that they didn't need
> to deal with the demeaning welfare system.
> 

Any time you deal with the government it's demeaning.  "I'm from the
government and I'm here to help" is a joke for a reason.  The less you have
to do with them, the better (unless you're rich enough to be able to buy a
congressman).

-- 
Pete

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#161585

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-03-29 17:59 +0100
Message-ID<20160329175953.ec2ea96e7f1197113776447d@eircom.net>
In reply to#161584
On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:17:53 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Any time you deal with the government it's demeaning.  "I'm from the
> government and I'm here to help" is a joke for a reason. 

	To whatever extent this is true in various countries (and I don't
dispute that it often is) it is not a good thing.

-- 
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C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#161609

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-03-29 17:08 -0700
Message-ID<756a6f41-fb28-437f-8f4c-3e9b7accf204@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#161584
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 12:17:54 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:

> Any time you deal with the government it's demeaning.  "I'm from the
> government and I'm here to help" is a joke for a reason.  The less you have
> to do with them, the better (unless you're rich enough to be able to buy a
> congressman).

That didn't stop Republican Gov. Chris Christie to sucking up to
Democrat Obama for help after Hurricane Sandy.

Nor does it stop conservative Republicans from demanding more Federal
aid for highways and airports.

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#161666

FromJimP. <blue@cwahi.net>
Date2016-03-30 12:17 -0500
Message-ID<fc2ofbp1k446vt8qufi6a6qhcmfpla6hfi@4ax.com>
In reply to#161609
On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 12:17:54 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Any time you deal with the government it's demeaning.  "I'm from the
>> government and I'm here to help" is a joke for a reason.  The less you have
>> to do with them, the better (unless you're rich enough to be able to buy a
>> congressman).
>
>That didn't stop Republican Gov. Chris Christie to sucking up to
>Democrat Obama for help after Hurricane Sandy.
>
>Nor does it stop conservative Republicans from demanding more Federal
>aid for highways and airports.
>

One thing i found interesting about Hurricane Sandy is the statyes who
asked for Federal help for their recovery, had publically chastised
the states hit by Hurricanes Rita and Katrina after they asked for
Federal help.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.

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#161671

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-03-30 11:01 -0700
Message-ID<b7b61aa2-1fa8-4552-81f3-d347ea1a2c32@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#161666
On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, JimP. wrote:

> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.

If a politician runs on a platform of small government, then he's
being a huge hypocrite to ask for government aid.  People who espouse
small government push hard for the "self reliant" strategy.

Also, note that this discussion painted the phrase as negative
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help".  Well, you can't
have it both ways.

Libertarians are enormous hypocrites.  They fight hard against
government programs they don't use (like Amtrak), but have no
problem with parallel government programs they do use or 
supports their business interests (like airlines and highways).

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#161678

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2016-03-30 15:13 -0600
Message-ID<dm2qbkFioauU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161671
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, JimP. wrote:
>
>> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
>> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
>> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
>> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
>
> If a politician runs on a platform of small government, then he's
> being a huge hypocrite to ask for government aid.  People who espouse
> small government push hard for the "self reliant" strategy.
>
> Also, note that this discussion painted the phrase as negative
> "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".  Well, you can't
> have it both ways.
>
> Libertarians are enormous hypocrites.  They fight hard against
> government programs they don't use (like Amtrak), but have no
> problem with parallel government programs they do use or
> supports their business interests (like airlines and highways).

Strict Libertarians (with a capital L) are in fact opposed to government 
funded highways.  As a libertarian I think that stand is a mistake since it 
does not increase their chances of winning much of anything.

I hadn't heard that Libertarians do not take trains at the expected rate, 
I'm kind of puzzled as to why that is.

I believe that libertarians are the least hypocritical life form you will 
find on this planet.  Did you ever see Ron Paul (the dad, from Texas) be 
interviewed?  He actually answers the questions he is asked, very refreshing 
and almost unheard of for a politician. 

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#161684

From"764hho" <764hho@nospam.com>
Date2016-03-31 08:14 +1100
Message-ID<dm2ttcFjm7pU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161678

"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:dm2qbkFioauU1@mid.individual.net...
> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, JimP. wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
>>> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
>>> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
>>> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
>>
>> If a politician runs on a platform of small government, then he's
>> being a huge hypocrite to ask for government aid.  People who espouse
>> small government push hard for the "self reliant" strategy.
>>
>> Also, note that this discussion painted the phrase as negative
>> "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".  Well, you can't
>> have it both ways.
>>
>> Libertarians are enormous hypocrites.  They fight hard against
>> government programs they don't use (like Amtrak), but have no
>> problem with parallel government programs they do use or
>> supports their business interests (like airlines and highways).
>
> Strict Libertarians (with a capital L) are in fact opposed to government 
> funded highways.  As a libertarian I think that stand is a mistake since 
> it does not increase their chances of winning much of anything.
>
> I hadn't heard that Libertarians do not take trains at the expected rate, 
> I'm kind of puzzled as to why that is.
>
> I believe that libertarians are the least hypocritical life form you will 
> find on this planet.

More fool you. Those that stay right out of politics leave them for dead on 
that.

> Did you ever see Ron Paul (the dad, from Texas) be interviewed?  He 
> actually answers the questions he is asked, very refreshing and almost 
> unheard of for a politician.

Just one libertarian. 

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#161680

FromJimP. <blue@cwahi.net>
Date2016-03-30 15:53 -0500
Message-ID<05fofbhesfgjjq9crsng1vk6pna47t8vs1@4ax.com>
In reply to#161671
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, JimP. wrote:
>
>> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
>> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
>> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
>> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
>
>If a politician runs on a platform of small government, then he's
>being a huge hypocrite to ask for government aid.  People who espouse
>small government push hard for the "self reliant" strategy.
>
>Also, note that this discussion painted the phrase as negative
>"I'm from the government and I'm here to help".  Well, you can't
>have it both ways.

Look up just how much the second President Bush didn't help anyone
after Katrina and Rita.

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#161717

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Message-ID<1421830065.481123631.727881.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#161671
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, JimP. wrote:
> 
>> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
>> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
>> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
>> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
> 
> If a politician runs on a platform of small government, then he's
> being a huge hypocrite to ask for government aid.  People who espouse
> small government push hard for the "self reliant" strategy.

Small government, but the gov should do what it's supposed to.  Some
communities here had enormous problems after Sandy getting any help from
the government.  I think they still haven't been completely rebuilt.  If
your house gets washed away in a flood caused by a hurricane it would seem
to be a clear qualification for grans and loans, but all these people got
was arguments.

> 
> Also, note that this discussion painted the phrase as negative
> "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".  Well, you can't
> have it both ways.
> 
> Libertarians are enormous hypocrites.  They fight hard against
> government programs they don't use (like Amtrak), but have no
> problem with parallel government programs they do use or 
> supports their business interests (like airlines and highways).
> 
> 



-- 
Pete

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#161751

Frommausg@mail.com
Date2016-03-31 20:02 +0000
Message-ID<slrnnfr0iq.18t.mausg@Smaus.org>
In reply to#161717
On 2016-03-31, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
><hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, JimP. wrote:
>> 
>>> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
>>> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
>>> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
>>> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
>> 
>> If a politician runs on a platform of small government, then he's
>> being a huge hypocrite to ask for government aid.  People who espouse
>> small government push hard for the "self reliant" strategy.
>
> Small government, but the gov should do what it's supposed to.  Some
> communities here had enormous problems after Sandy getting any help from
> the government.  I think they still haven't been completely rebuilt.  If
> your house gets washed away in a flood caused by a hurricane it would seem
> to be a clear qualification for grans and loans, but all these people got
> was arguments.
>
>> 
>> Also, note that this discussion painted the phrase as negative
>> "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".  Well, you can't
>> have it both ways.
>> 
>> Libertarians are enormous hypocrites.  They fight hard against
>> government programs they don't use (like Amtrak), but have no
>> problem with parallel government programs they do use or 
>> supports their business interests (like airlines and highways).
>> 
>> 
>
>
>

Sad fact is that self-relaint(sp?) people get shafted in the emergency
 situations, and the one that are drawing the whole time, and know the way,
get the money. I hear of distant relatives that still have not recovered
from sandy. (Thats the New York one, right?)


-- 
greymaus
 .
  .
...

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#161787

Frompechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter)
Date2016-04-01 16:02 +0000
Message-ID<ndm61n$57f$1@pechter.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#161751
In article <slrnnfr0iq.18t.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>
>Sad fact is that self-relaint(sp?) people get shafted in the emergency
> situations, and the one that are drawing the whole time, and know the way,
>get the money. I hear of distant relatives that still have not recovered
>from sandy. (Thats the New York one, right?)
>
>
>-- 
>greymaus
> .
>  .
>...


We've still got a significant number of people not back in their homes in New Jersey and
New York.  New Jersey's seen a mess of crooked contractors screwing the folks that were "approved" that
turned out to not be licensed in the state and other fun stuff.

I'm three miles from Union Beach and Keansburg where the 1950's style  Bumper Car floated
down through Main Street in Keanasburg.

The Jersey Shore has not fully recovered and is slowly working it's way back.

Bill
-- 
-- 
Digital had it then.  Don't you wish you could buy it now!
pechter-at-gmail.com  http://xkcd.com/705/

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#161792

FromJimP. <blue@cwahi.net>
Date2016-04-01 12:27 -0500
Message-ID<grbtfbt463lhc62puucpbpmtfuc9uufrvh@4ax.com>
In reply to#161787
On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 16:02:00 -0000 (UTC),
pechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) wrote:

>In article <slrnnfr0iq.18t.mausg@Smaus.org>,  <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sad fact is that self-relaint(sp?) people get shafted in the emergency
>> situations, and the one that are drawing the whole time, and know the way,
>>get the money. I hear of distant relatives that still have not recovered
>>from sandy. (Thats the New York one, right?)
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>greymaus
>> .
>>  .
>>...
>
>
>We've still got a significant number of people not back in their homes in New Jersey and
>New York.  New Jersey's seen a mess of crooked contractors screwing the folks that were "approved" that
>turned out to not be licensed in the state and other fun stuff.
>
>I'm three miles from Union Beach and Keansburg where the 1950's style  Bumper Car floated
>down through Main Street in Keanasburg.
>
>The Jersey Shore has not fully recovered and is slowly working it's way back.

Mississippi and Louisiana are still recovering from Katrina, in 2005.
It can take decades for an area to fully recover.

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#161715

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2016-03-31 09:40 -0400
Message-ID<1339689252.481123330.659467.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#161666
JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 12:17:54 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>> 
>>> Any time you deal with the government it's demeaning.  "I'm from the
>>> government and I'm here to help" is a joke for a reason.  The less you have
>>> to do with them, the better (unless you're rich enough to be able to buy a
>>> congressman).
>> 
>> That didn't stop Republican Gov. Chris Christie to sucking up to
>> Democrat Obama for help after Hurricane Sandy.
>> 
>> Nor does it stop conservative Republicans from demanding more Federal
>> aid for highways and airports.
>> 
> 
> One thing i found interesting about Hurricane Sandy is the statyes who
> asked for Federal help for their recovery, had publically chastised
> the states hit by Hurricanes Rita and Katrina after they asked for
> Federal help.
> 
> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
> 

That's what the federal government is for.  The only problem is you have to
watch what people are getting, the natural tendency is to ask for
everything and hope you get some of it.  If you don't monitor this stuff
some people and localities get a lot of stuff and others not so much.


-- 
Pete

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#161765

FromJimP. <blue@cwahi.net>
Date2016-03-31 20:52 -0500
Message-ID<h1lrfbtit8n6sk57hurqg9bcaoq35fspkf@4ax.com>
In reply to#161715
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 09:40:18 -0400, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>JimP. <blue@cwahi.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 12:17:54 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Any time you deal with the government it's demeaning.  "I'm from the
>>>> government and I'm here to help" is a joke for a reason.  The less you have
>>>> to do with them, the better (unless you're rich enough to be able to buy a
>>>> congressman).
>>> 
>>> That didn't stop Republican Gov. Chris Christie to sucking up to
>>> Democrat Obama for help after Hurricane Sandy.
>>> 
>>> Nor does it stop conservative Republicans from demanding more Federal
>>> aid for highways and airports.
>>> 
>> 
>> One thing i found interesting about Hurricane Sandy is the statyes who
>> asked for Federal help for their recovery, had publically chastised
>> the states hit by Hurricanes Rita and Katrina after they asked for
>> Federal help.
>> 
>> There is nothing wrong with asking for help after a hurricane or
>> earthquake. Nothing at all. They can be so devastating that the local
>> and state authories cannot deal with it. And while volunteers do show
>> up, they cannot handle such a huge work load either.
>> 
>
>That's what the federal government is for.  The only problem is you have to
>watch what people are getting, the natural tendency is to ask for
>everything and hope you get some of it.  If you don't monitor this stuff
>some people and localities get a lot of stuff and others not so much.

Correct. And some places, like Lousiana, were looked at to be certain
they weren't getting all of it.

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#161598

FromDave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Date2016-03-29 14:05 -0500
Message-ID<ndejg0$ib7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#161573
On 3/29/2016 8:55 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:

> In the US, people aren't starving and they spend the welfare money
> on big TVs, cigarettes, booze, etc. and don't learn how to work.

Welfare money won't pay for any of those things. Unless you're calling 
Social Security "welfare".

> Welfare should be a temporary safety net and not a long-term
> income stream.

Unlike farm subsidies, where some farmers live on the dole forever. 
Over the last 20 years, farmers in Michigan alone sucked $2.5 billion 
in corn subsidies. That's in a single state that's "middle of the 
pack" (22/50), for one crop (it's about twice that much if you count 
all crops). 41% of the farms (59% received no subsidies). It's not 
that they don't know how to work, it's that (also) holding their hand 
out is so much more profitable. (That's of course assuming that all 
those "farms" are actually engaged in farming, not just harvesting 
govt money. One does see stories from time to time about successful 
people who obviously aren't farmers receiving big govt ag checks.)


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