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Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY")

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  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 15:55 -0800
    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 21:39 -0800
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 06:32 +0000
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-11 09:24 +0100
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 17:18 +0000
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-11 16:17 -0600
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-12 18:41 +0100
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 18:14 -0800
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-12 20:39 -0600
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 19:27 -0800
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-13 09:04 -0600
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 12:58 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:25 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-14 14:45 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 18:12 -0500
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:31 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:28 -0700
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 13:29 +1100
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-15 22:45 -0500
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:29 +1100
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-16 09:27 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 14:33 +0100
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 09:47 -0500
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 20:02 -0400
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 09:57 +0100
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 11:58 -0700
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-14 19:07 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-14 20:24 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:59 -0400
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 06:18 -0500
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-11 06:24 -0500
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 17:18 +0000
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-11 17:38 +0000
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-11 13:48 -0600
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 19:12 -0500
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-12 02:20 +0100
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 18:02 -0800
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 03:09 -0500
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-12 09:20 -0800
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 15:53 -0500
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-12 16:27 -0800
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 19:13 -0800
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 22:30 -0500
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-13 11:33 -0700
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-13 13:46 -0600
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 17:41 -0400
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-13 18:13 -0600
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 11:29 +1100
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 08:51 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 22:00 -0400
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-14 00:20 -0600
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 08:54 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 07:12 -0400
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:31 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 23:50 +0100
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:29 -0700
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-03-14 20:13 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0000
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 18:36 +0000
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-15 17:53 -0300
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:55 -0400
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-03-15 22:10 -0400
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-15 22:58 -0500
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-15 21:51 -0700
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:33 +1100
                                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-03-16 08:21 +0000
                                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 19:29 +1100
                                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-16 08:57 +0000
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 11:15 +0100
                                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 07:14 -0700
                                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 17:22 +0100
                                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 20:05 -0400
                                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-17 08:02 +0100
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-16 06:51 -0700
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-16 02:18 -0300
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:34 +1100
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 13:05 +0000
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-16 06:51 -0700
                                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-13 23:00 +0100
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 19:52 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 13:43 +0100
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-14 14:15 -0500
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-15 05:58 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 10:03 +0100
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 13:23 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-15 13:44 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 08:12 -0700
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 09:36 -0700
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-15 10:52 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 13:27 +0000
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-15 13:43 +0000
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:27 -0700
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-14 19:52 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 00:37 +0100
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 13:14 +0000
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-14 12:53 -0700
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 16:23 -0500
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-14 17:17 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-14 20:03 -0500
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-14 19:31 -0700
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-14 22:15 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 09:43 +0100
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 16:11 -0500
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 14:56 -0700
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 17:18 -0500
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 15:49 -0700
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 16:07 -0700
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 09:44 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:22 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 18:12 -0700
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 11:52 -0500
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 11:42 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:37 +1100
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 18:08 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 01:18 +0100
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 21:53 -0400
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:16 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:23 -0400
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:25 +1100
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 13:08 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 14:36 +0100
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 14:40 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 14:36 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 14:40 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:22 +1100
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 15:35 -0600
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") pechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-03-16 21:04 +0000
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 08:56 +1100
                                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 17:09 -0600
                                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:57 +1100
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:18 +1100
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 13:25 +1100
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 23:32 -0400
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-16 02:33 -0300
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-17 03:31 -0300
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase  "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-17 07:28 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-16 13:02 +0000
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:15 +1100
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-17 16:08 +0000
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:33 +1100
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reisrad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 23:18 +0100
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 16:23 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 17:39 -0500
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 11:44 -0700
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:55 -0400
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:35 -0700
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 18:30 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 12:14 -0500
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 11:24 -0700
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 12:08 -0500
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 10:46 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 20:36 -0500
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 19:16 -0700
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 16:37 -0800
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 18:59 -0800
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-13 12:10 +0000
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 11:49 -0700
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-14 20:15 +0000
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 21:35 +0100
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-11 13:43 -0600
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-12 11:30 -0500
    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 12:04 -0800
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 22:05 +0000
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-12 13:34 +0000
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-12 18:07 +0000
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-13 14:12 +0000
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-14 19:47 +0000
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-15 13:43 +0000
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-15 19:00 +0000
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-16 13:02 +0000
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:13 +1100
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-17 17:54 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:09 +1100
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-18 23:47 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-19 02:03 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-22 07:19 +0000
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-22 13:40 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:37 +1100
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-17 17:55 +0000
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-18 23:48 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-22 07:19 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-22 13:40 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-26 07:31 +0000
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-04-15 08:33 +0000
                                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-15 12:18 +0000
    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-14 00:25 +0000
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-13 18:00 -0700
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 17:10 -0500
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-14 13:30 -0400
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 18:57 +0100
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-14 18:03 +0000
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-14 18:54 +0000
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-14 13:09 -0700
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 16:01 -0500
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 21:23 +0100
              Re: You count as an old-timer if Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-14 19:05 -0600
                Re: You count as an old-timer if Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 10:07 +0100
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:39 -0700
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-15 19:57 -0400
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-21 20:28 -0400
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-22 01:41 +0000
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-03-22 07:26 +0000
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 07:18 -0600
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-03-22 09:39 -0700
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-22 23:12 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-23 11:19 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-23 05:00 -0700
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 12:09 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-03-23 07:20 -0700
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-23 13:57 -0500
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-23 20:07 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:03 -0400
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-14 16:59 -0500
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 17:57 -0500
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-14 18:53 +0000
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:49 -0700
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-14 19:55 -0400
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-15 07:13 -0700
              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 08:12 -0700
                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 12:11 -0400
                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0000
                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 14:44 -0400
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 19:36 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-15 17:25 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 18:12 -0700
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-16 08:01 +0000
                        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 23:17 -0400
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 11:17 -0400
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 14:34 -0400
                          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 13:01 +0000
                            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 11:26 -0400
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 16:03 +0000
                                Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 14:28 -0400
                                  Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-16 19:00 +0000
                                    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-16 21:18 +0000
                              Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 20:49 +0000
                      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:42 -0700
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 21:40 +0100
    Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 21:09 -0500
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-17 08:04 +0100
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:40 +1100
      Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-17 14:28 -0700
        Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-18 12:43 +0000
          Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-18 10:23 -0700
            Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-18 18:51 +0000
        Re: You count as an old-timer if Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-18 14:28 -0600

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#161059

From"Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-16 16:25 +1100
Message-ID<dks934Fm9adU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161046

"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.31528dc0b3c58fe398a02c@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>,
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>> > For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard 
>> > disk
>> > drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file 
>> > and write
>> > to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if 
>> > you want
>> > them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>> >
>> > I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For 
>> > that
>> > matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at 
>> > inflated
>> > prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>
>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is
>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>
> That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>
>> I still am clueless why Google Groups had to upgrade its interface to
>> a total piece crap.  The old one worked just fine, and was usable
>> on dial-up.  It's only freakin' text, after all.
>
> Because Google wants to sell advertisements.

It doesn't in fact have ads in there. 

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#161074

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-03-16 13:08 +0000
Message-ID<hVcGy.33322$GB1.14047@fx28.iad>
In reply to#161046
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>, 
>hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>> 
>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>> > For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard disk 
>> > drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and write 
>> > to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you want 
>> > them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>> > 
>> > I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that 
>> > matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at inflated 
>> > prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>> 
>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is 
>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>
>That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.

Or an infection.

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#161077

FromMorten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Date2016-03-16 14:36 +0100
Message-ID<g34orc-pac.ln1@sambook.reistad.name>
In reply to#161074
In article <hVcGy.33322$GB1.14047@fx28.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>, 
>>hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>> 
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> > For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard disk 
>>> > drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and write 
>>> > to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you want 
>>> > them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>> > 
>>> > I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that 
>>> > matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at inflated 
>>> > prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>> 
>>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is 
>>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>>
>>That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>
>Or an infection.

or ten.

-- mrr

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#161082

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-03-16 14:40 +0000
Message-ID<i_mdneha9emM7XTLnZ2dnUU78UvNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#161077
On 16/03/2016 13:36, Morten Reistad wrote:
> In article <hVcGy.33322$GB1.14047@fx28.iad>,
> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>,
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard disk
>>>>> drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and write
>>>>> to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you want
>>>>> them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that
>>>>> matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at inflated
>>>>> prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>>>
>>>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is
>>>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>>>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>>>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>>>
>>> That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>>
>> Or an infection.
>
> or ten.
>
> -- mrr
>
>

Yes, I have spent the last 2 days getting rid of viruses and malware. 
Some modern ones disable parts of both the operating system and virus 
checker.

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#161081

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2016-03-16 14:36 +0000
Message-ID<s9ydnSsbOJy58nTLnZ2dnUU78QGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#161074
On 16/03/2016 13:08, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>,
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard disk
>>>> drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and write
>>>> to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you want
>>>> them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>>>
>>>> I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that
>>>> matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at inflated
>>>> prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>>
>>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is
>>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>>
>> That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>
> Or an infection.
>

Although defragging the disk can work wonders. Most operating systems 
come with a defrag unility or function.

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#161083

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-03-16 14:40 +0000
Message-ID<dfeGy.166194$Ia.49022@fx08.iad>
In reply to#161081
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes:
>On 16/03/2016 13:08, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>,
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard disk
>>>>> drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and write
>>>>> to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you want
>>>>> them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that
>>>>> matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at inflated
>>>>> prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>>>
>>>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is
>>>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>>>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>>>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>>>
>>> That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>>
>> Or an infection.
>>
>
>Although defragging the disk can work wonders. Most operating systems 
>come with a defrag unility or function.

The main reason I use ext3 instead of ext4 is for this
very reason - ext3 doesn't _need_ defragging.   ext4 performance
really sucks when there isn't much free space on the filesystem.

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#161111

From"Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-17 07:22 +1100
Message-ID<dkttjgF58gdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161081

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:s9ydnSsbOJy58nTLnZ2dnUU78QGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 16/03/2016 13:08, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>> In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>,
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard 
>>>>> disk
>>>>> drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file 
>>>>> and write
>>>>> to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if 
>>>>> you want
>>>>> them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For 
>>>>> that
>>>>> matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at 
>>>>> inflated
>>>>> prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>>>
>>>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is
>>>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>>>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>>>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>>>
>>> That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>>
>> Or an infection.
>>
>
> Although defragging the disk can work wonders.

Not with high disk activity when browsing it doesn’t.

> Most operating systems come with a defrag unility or function.

And with modern fast seeking drives, it hardly
ever makes much difference anymore. 

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#161112

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2016-03-16 15:35 -0600
Message-ID<dktud1F5ercU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161111
"Jim Bank" wrote:

|<wrt fragmentation>

> And with modern fast seeking drives, it hardly
> ever makes much difference anymore.

WRT these modern fast seeking drives:

How long does it take to move the heads from one extreme to the other?

How long does it take for the disk to make one revolution?

Who is the manufacturer of and what is the model of this drive of which you 
speak?

(BTW I have *never* defragged a drive.) 

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#161115

Frompechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter)
Date2016-03-16 21:04 +0000
Message-ID<ncchoo$e1u$1@pechter.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#161112
In article <dktud1F5ercU1@mid.individual.net>,
Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Jim Bank" wrote:
>
>|<wrt fragmentation>
>
>> And with modern fast seeking drives, it hardly
>> ever makes much difference anymore.
>
>WRT these modern fast seeking drives:
>
>How long does it take to move the heads from one extreme to the other?
>
>How long does it take for the disk to make one revolution?
>
>Who is the manufacturer of and what is the model of this drive of which you 
>speak?
>
>(BTW I have *never* defragged a drive.) 
>

Well, I replaced the drive with a $60 ssd and it's like running off a ram disk.
Gee... it really is running of one, I guess.

Bill
-- 
-- 
Digital had it then.  Don't you wish you could buy it now!
pechter-at-gmail.com  http://xkcd.com/705/

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#161117

From"hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-17 08:56 +1100
Message-ID<dku34uF6lecU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161112

"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:dktud1F5ercU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Jim Bank" wrote:
>
> |<wrt fragmentation>
>
>> And with modern fast seeking drives, it hardly
>> ever makes much difference anymore.
>
> WRT these modern fast seeking drives:
>
> How long does it take to move the heads from one extreme to the other?

Irrelevant to the disk activity he sees when browsing which doesn’t do that.

> How long does it take for the disk to make one revolution?

Irrelevant to whether defragging will make any difference to his browsing.

> Who is the manufacturer of and what is the model of this drive of which 
> you speak?

Any of the SSDs.

> (BTW I have *never* defragged a drive.)

I have done a few times, to find it makes no difference
to anything but the copying of very large files and if you
do much of that, there is something wrong with the way
you do things.

And that is because the vast bulk of the serial movement
thru very large files now is with media files where a few
extra seeks is irrelevant because you move thru the file
at the media play speed.

Yes, defragging can see a measurable difference with
full backups, but they happen in the background or
when you aren't using the system so the time they
take is also irrelevant. 

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#161118

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2016-03-16 17:09 -0600
Message-ID<dku3tjF6rflU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161117
"hanja" wrote:

> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
> news:dktud1F5ercU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Jim Bank" wrote:
>>
>> |<wrt fragmentation>
>>
>>> And with modern fast seeking drives, it hardly
>>> ever makes much difference anymore.
>>
>> WRT these modern fast seeking drives:
>>
>> How long does it take to move the heads from one extreme to the other?
>
> Irrelevant to the disk activity he sees when browsing which doesn’t do 
> that.

He put the word seek in there, not me. So it's not irrelevant. Furthermore, 
fast is not zero. The Roman's learned that the hard way.

>> How long does it take for the disk to make one revolution?
>
> Irrelevant to whether defragging will make any difference to his browsing.
>
>> Who is the manufacturer of and what is the model of this drive of which 
>> you speak?
>
> Any of the SSDs.
>
>> (BTW I have *never* defragged a drive.)
>
> I have done a few times, to find it makes no difference
> to anything but the copying of very large files and if you
> do much of that, there is something wrong with the way
> you do things.
>
> And that is because the vast bulk of the serial movement
> thru very large files now is with media files where a few
> extra seeks is irrelevant because you move thru the file
> at the media play speed.
>
> Yes, defragging can see a measurable difference with
> full backups, but they happen in the background or
> when you aren't using the system so the time they
> take is also irrelevant. 

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#161124

From"hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-17 11:57 +1100
Message-ID<dkudo8F951iU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161118

"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:dku3tjF6rflU1@mid.individual.net...
> "hanja" wrote:
>
>> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>> news:dktud1F5ercU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Jim Bank" wrote:
>>>
>>> |<wrt fragmentation>
>>>
>>>> And with modern fast seeking drives, it hardly
>>>> ever makes much difference anymore.
>>>
>>> WRT these modern fast seeking drives:
>>>
>>> How long does it take to move the heads from one extreme to the other?
>>
>> Irrelevant to the disk activity he sees when browsing which doesn’t do 
>> that.
>
> He put the word seek in there, not me. So it's not irrelevant.

It is completely irrelevant to the pig ignorant claim
that defragging his drive will have any effect on the
high disk activity he is seeing when browsing.

> Furthermore, fast is not zero.

Doesn’t need to be for defragging to not
be relevant to the problem he is having.

>>> How long does it take for the disk to make one revolution?
>>
>> Irrelevant to whether defragging will make any difference to his 
>> browsing.
>>
>>> Who is the manufacturer of and what is the model of this drive of which 
>>> you speak?
>>
>> Any of the SSDs.
>>
>>> (BTW I have *never* defragged a drive.)
>>
>> I have done a few times, to find it makes no difference
>> to anything but the copying of very large files and if you
>> do much of that, there is something wrong with the way
>> you do things.
>>
>> And that is because the vast bulk of the serial movement
>> thru very large files now is with media files where a few
>> extra seeks is irrelevant because you move thru the file
>> at the media play speed.
>>
>> Yes, defragging can see a measurable difference with
>> full backups, but they happen in the background or
>> when you aren't using the system so the time they
>> take is also irrelevant.
 

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#161110

From"Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-17 07:18 +1100
Message-ID<dkttdaF5641U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161074

"Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message 
news:hVcGy.33322$GB1.14047@fx28.iad...
> "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>In article <886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com>,
>>hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says...
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> > For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard 
>>> > disk
>>> > drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file 
>>> > and write
>>> > to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if 
>>> > you want
>>> > them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>> >
>>> > I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For 
>>> > that
>>> > matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at 
>>> > inflated
>>> > prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>>>
>>> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is
>>> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
>>> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
>>> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.
>>
>>That's usually a sign of insufficient RAM.
>
> Or an infection.

Very unlikely indeed to be an infection that takes so
long to keep scanning the drive for data worth stealing.
 

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#161047

From"Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com>
Date2016-03-16 13:25 +1100
Message-ID<dkruhgFk1h3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#161035

<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message 
news:886bc85b-9bf1-489a-a388-397ef7f37997@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>> For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard 
>> disk
>> drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and 
>> write
>> to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you 
>> want
>> them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>>
>> I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that
>> matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at 
>> inflated
>> prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).

> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web;

Unlikely.

> the disk drive is flogging itself to death

No it is not.

> even though there is plenty of disk space.

You either don't have enough physical ram or
that is just the caching of the net you are seeing.

> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.

No it would not with browsing.

> But basically, I'm being forced to buy a new PC.

No you are not. You can either add more physical ram
or use an SSD. More physical ram may not be economic
compared with replacing it with a better used PC.

> I still am clueless why Google Groups had to upgrade its
> interface to a total piece crap.  The old one worked just fine,
> and was usable on dial-up.  It's only freakin' text, after all.

It's mad to be using dialup anymore. 

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#161050

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2016-03-15 23:32 -0400
Message-ID<ncajut$b96$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#161035
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:

> On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 3:53:33 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>> For example, the usual trend of even a desktop PC having only one hard disk 
>> drive. So the heads have to move back and forth to read from one file and write 
>> to another. Two hard disk drives, though, are easy enough to have if you want 
>> them. Four hard disk drives? Not unless its a server!
>> 
>> I don't ask much, but I do think that a little too much is lost. For that 
>> matter, I'd wish that ECC memory was _standard_ instead of sold at inflated 
>> prices (i.e. anything more than 12.5% more expensive).
>
> My home PC is proving inadequate to the modern web; the disk drive is 
> flogging itself to death even though there is plenty of disk space.
> Having multiple independent drives would help a lot.  But basically,
> I'm being forced to buy a new PC.

New PC?

How about plugging in an SSD.

My current system has been upgraded a few times.
The MB went a while ago, so now I have SATA 3, USB 3,
2 1 TB rotating drives and 1 128G SSD.

Linux is more than happy with 2GB ram.

> I still am clueless why Google Groups had to upgrade its interface to
> a total piece crap.  The old one worked just fine, and was usable
> on dial-up.  It's only freakin' text, after all.

Dump it.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#161052

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
Message-ID<ncalau12hie@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#161035
On 2016-03-16, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> I still am clueless why Google Groups had to upgrade its interface to
> a total piece crap.  The old one worked just fine, and was usable
> on dial-up.  It's only freakin' text, after all.

Yes, which is why slrn and Newsguy still work just fine here.

-- 
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#161062

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2016-03-16 02:33 -0300
Message-ID<87mvpzj8at.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#161035
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:

> I still am clueless why Google Groups had to upgrade its interface to
> a total piece crap.  The old one worked just fine, and was usable
> on dial-up.  It's only freakin' text, after all.

Everybody gots to have hundreds of KB of js these days.  That thing
about "first kill all the lawyers"?  Don't forget "web designers".

I normally access one popular site by calling a cgi-bin perl script on
localhost that fetches the page, edits it to suit me and returns it to
my browser.  And it began to fail after long use.  Drove me nuts.

Answer was that the site had "improved" their pages by sending so much
js (in-line in the original page, not including any js called in from
headers) that my script was timing out.  Increase the time-out to some
stupidly large number and all is once again well, save, of course,
for having to wait while all that penc downloads over dialup.

Ho hum.  The script elides all the js, style specs, meta tags and all
works fine, proving that all that stuff was unnecessary in the first
place. 


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#161092

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
Message-ID<ncc0td02t4i@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#161062
On 2016-03-16, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> Everybody gots to have hundreds of KB of js these days.  That thing
> about "first kill all the lawyers"?  Don't forget "web designers".

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

-- 
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#161135 — Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY")

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2016-03-17 03:31 -0300
SubjectRe: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY")
Message-ID<87shzpipia.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#161092
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2016-03-16, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> 
>> Everybody gots to have hundreds of KB of js these days.  That thing
>> about "first kill all the lawyers"?  Don't forget "web designers".
> 
> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

Yeah, I feel for guys with clients like that.  But I think the
corporate marketing wonks *start* with "Make it look like network TV
and work like a video game", *then* go on to bully the designer to add
more "pop", fizz, kittens, pop-ups, twinkies, nascent fazaroop,
fulminating groon.... I'm making up words here.  Is there a techies'
taxonomy for the now familiar elements of interactive digital
webkitsch?

-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#161138 — Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY")

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2016-03-17 07:28 +0000
SubjectRe: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY")
Message-ID<ncdmbr01a9t@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#161135
On 2016-03-17, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2016-03-16, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>> 
>>> Everybody gots to have hundreds of KB of js these days.  That thing
>>> about "first kill all the lawyers"?  Don't forget "web designers".
>> 
>> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
>
> Yeah, I feel for guys with clients like that.  But I think the
> corporate marketing wonks *start* with "Make it look like network TV
> and work like a video game", *then* go on to bully the designer to add
> more "pop", fizz, kittens, pop-ups, twinkies, nascent fazaroop,
> fulminating groon.... I'm making up words here.  Is there a techies'
> taxonomy for the now familiar elements of interactive digital
> webkitsch?

I've always liked the term "rampant featuritis".

-- 
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