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| Started by | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| First post | 2016-03-10 15:55 -0800 |
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Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-10 15:55 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") The New Other Guy <Newsgnus@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 21:39 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 06:32 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-11 09:24 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 17:18 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-11 16:17 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-12 18:41 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 18:14 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-12 20:39 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 19:27 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-13 09:04 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 12:58 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:25 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-14 14:45 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 18:12 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:31 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:28 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 13:29 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-03-15 22:45 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:29 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-16 09:27 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 14:33 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 09:47 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 20:02 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 09:57 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 11:58 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-14 19:07 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-14 20:24 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:59 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 06:18 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-03-11 06:24 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 17:18 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-11 17:38 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-11 13:48 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 19:12 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-12 02:20 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 18:02 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 03:09 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-12 09:20 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 15:53 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-12 16:27 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 19:13 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 22:30 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-13 11:33 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-13 13:46 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 17:41 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-13 18:13 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 11:29 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 08:51 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 22:00 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-14 00:20 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 08:54 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 07:12 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:31 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 23:50 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:29 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-03-14 20:13 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 18:36 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-15 17:53 -0300
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:55 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-03-15 22:10 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-15 22:58 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-15 21:51 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:33 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-03-16 08:21 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 19:29 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-16 08:57 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 11:15 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-16 07:14 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 17:22 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 20:05 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-17 08:02 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-16 06:51 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-16 02:18 -0300
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:34 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 13:05 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-16 06:51 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-13 23:00 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-13 19:52 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 13:43 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-14 14:15 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-15 05:58 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 10:03 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 13:23 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-15 13:44 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 08:12 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 09:36 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-15 10:52 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 13:27 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-15 13:43 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:27 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-14 19:52 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 00:37 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 13:14 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-14 12:53 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 16:23 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-14 17:17 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-14 20:03 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-14 19:31 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-14 22:15 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 09:43 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 16:11 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 14:56 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 17:18 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 15:49 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 16:07 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 09:44 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:22 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 18:12 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 11:52 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 11:42 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Sam Crean" <sg55443@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 08:37 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 18:08 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 01:18 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 21:53 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:16 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:23 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:25 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 13:08 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-16 14:36 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 14:40 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-03-16 14:36 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 14:40 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:22 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 15:35 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") pechter@cobalt.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2016-03-16 21:04 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 08:56 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-16 17:09 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "hanja" <hanja228@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 11:57 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:18 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Jim Bank" <jb410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 13:25 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 23:32 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-16 02:33 -0300
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-03-17 03:31 -0300
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-17 07:28 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-16 13:02 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:15 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-17 16:08 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:33 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reisrad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 23:18 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 16:23 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 17:39 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 11:44 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-03-14 19:55 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:35 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-15 18:30 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 12:14 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 11:24 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 12:08 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 10:46 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-16 20:36 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-16 19:16 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 16:37 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-12 18:59 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-13 12:10 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 11:49 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-14 20:15 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 21:35 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-11 13:43 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-12 11:30 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-03-11 12:04 -0800
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-11 22:05 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-12 13:34 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-12 18:07 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-13 14:12 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-14 19:47 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-15 13:43 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-15 19:00 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-16 13:02 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 07:13 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-17 17:54 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:09 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-18 23:47 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-19 02:03 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-22 07:19 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-22 13:40 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:37 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-17 17:55 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-18 23:48 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-19 13:23 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-22 07:19 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-22 13:40 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-26 07:31 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-26 13:24 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-04-15 08:33 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-04-15 12:18 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-03-14 00:25 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-13 18:00 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-15 17:10 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-14 13:30 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 18:57 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-14 18:03 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-14 18:54 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-14 13:09 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 16:01 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 21:23 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-14 19:05 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-15 10:07 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:39 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-03-15 19:57 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-03-21 20:28 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-22 01:41 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-03-22 07:26 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-22 07:18 -0600
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-03-22 09:39 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-03-22 23:12 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-23 11:19 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-23 05:00 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-23 12:09 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2016-03-23 07:20 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-23 13:57 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-03-23 20:07 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2016-04-11 17:03 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-14 16:59 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-14 17:57 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-14 18:53 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-14 12:49 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-14 19:55 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-15 07:13 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 08:12 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 12:11 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-15 17:30 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 14:44 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-15 19:36 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-15 17:25 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-15 18:12 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-16 08:01 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-15 23:17 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 03:53 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 11:17 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 16:16 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 14:34 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 13:01 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 11:26 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-16 16:03 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-16 14:28 -0400
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-03-16 19:00 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-03-16 21:18 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-16 20:49 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-15 17:42 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-14 21:40 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-03-16 21:09 -0500
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-17 08:04 +0100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-18 08:40 +1100
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-17 14:28 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") mausg@mail.com - 2016-03-18 12:43 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-03-18 10:23 -0700
Re: You count as an old-timer if (was Re: Origin of the phrase "XYZZY") scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-03-18 18:51 +0000
Re: You count as an old-timer if Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-03-18 14:28 -0600
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 18:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <55138c19-1757-4200-9632-1c12e1501cce@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #160863 |
On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 12:18:59 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > For me, going from 300 to 1200 was the big jump - although going from > there to 2400 was a welcome increase as well. [snip] > True. It's fun to think about what we're doing in terms of old > hardware and software. It's also infuriating, though, when we > think of how much progress has been eaten up by bloatware. For > instance, response times haven't really improved much at all. > That's why I like using - and writing - old-style software on > new machines: it runs like lightning. I too remember welcoming the increase in early speed. But I also remember that bloatware began at the same time. In those days, as speeds improved, BBS operators tried to outdo themselves in fancy ASCII graphics. Remember, when sending fancy graphics, there were hidden control characters that ate up speed. And of course, the BBS had the latest fastest modems, perhaps 2400 or even 9600 when us mere mortals made do with 1200. A plain formatted BBS screen was fine at 1200. Fancy graphics, however, ran slowly and were a nuisance.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-13 12:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnneam56.7bv.mausg@Smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #160919 |
On 2016-03-13, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: > On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 12:18:59 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> For me, going from 300 to 1200 was the big jump - although going from >> there to 2400 was a welcome increase as well. > > [snip] > >> True. It's fun to think about what we're doing in terms of old >> hardware and software. It's also infuriating, though, when we >> think of how much progress has been eaten up by bloatware. For >> instance, response times haven't really improved much at all. >> That's why I like using - and writing - old-style software on >> new machines: it runs like lightning. > > I too remember welcoming the increase in early speed. But I also > remember that bloatware began at the same time. In those days, as > speeds improved, BBS operators tried to outdo themselves in fancy > ASCII graphics. Remember, when sending fancy graphics, there were > hidden control characters that ate up speed. And of course, the > BBS had the latest fastest modems, perhaps 2400 or even 9600 when > us mere mortals made do with 1200. A plain formatted BBS screen > was fine at 1200. Fancy graphics, however, ran slowly and were a > nuisance. > trapdoor was a great help there, I only gotinto using it before the Internet came into general use. Equivelent to a grand house with an impressive entrance, but a tradesmans entrance for people actually doing business. AFAIRemember, you rang the BBS number, pressed escape just as the CONNECT signal, and your mail, etc, was downloaded, and outgoing uploaded. The Expect laanguage helped. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 11:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <33727d85-aa8c-488e-998b-d5b29b7f66e0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #160925 |
On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 8:10:25 AM UTC-4, ma...@mail.com wrote: > AFAIRemember, you rang the BBS number, pressed escape just as the > CONNECT signal, and your mail, etc, was downloaded, and outgoing > uploaded. The Expect laanguage helped. That was doable, but it basically put the user in batch mode, when people wanted an interactive experience. They wanted to be able to respond to emails and discussion posts as they saw them. (But even now, sometimes I compose a long post offline.) There was a lot of variety in BBS systems. Some were efficient, some were not. I used to use a system was that was, IMHO, excellent and efficient. But it was old, even then, users demanded more bells and whistles. The Internet was emerging, and users wanted access to that.
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| From | mausg@mail.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 20:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnnee6u5.1c5.mausg@Smaus.org> |
| In reply to | #160950 |
On 2016-03-14, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: > On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 8:10:25 AM UTC-4, ma...@mail.com wrote: > >> AFAIRemember, you rang the BBS number, pressed escape just as the >> CONNECT signal, and your mail, etc, was downloaded, and outgoing >> uploaded. The Expect laanguage helped. > > That was doable, but it basically put the user in batch mode, > when people wanted an interactive experience. They wanted to > be able to respond to emails and discussion posts as they saw > them. > > (But even now, sometimes I compose a long post offline.) > > There was a lot of variety in BBS systems. Some were efficient, > some were not. > > I used to use a system was that was, IMHO, excellent and efficient. > But it was old, even then, users demanded more bells and whistles. > The Internet was emerging, and users wanted access to that. The system was expensive to very expensive on this side of the pond, batch mode was acceptable, it cut down online time, that was a priority. As well as that, the operator paid for the phone connection, the users paid for the time online. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 21:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8tjjrc-m87.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #160950 |
In article <33727d85-aa8c-488e-998b-d5b29b7f66e0@googlegroups.com>, <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote: >On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 8:10:25 AM UTC-4, ma...@mail.com wrote: > >> AFAIRemember, you rang the BBS number, pressed escape just as the >> CONNECT signal, and your mail, etc, was downloaded, and outgoing >> uploaded. The Expect laanguage helped. > >That was doable, but it basically put the user in batch mode, >when people wanted an interactive experience. They wanted to >be able to respond to emails and discussion posts as they saw >them. > >(But even now, sometimes I compose a long post offline.) > >There was a lot of variety in BBS systems. Some were efficient, >some were not. > >I used to use a system was that was, IMHO, excellent and efficient. >But it was old, even then, users demanded more bells and whistles. >The Internet was emerging, and users wanted access to that. And then we have the batch system called usenet. A large number of BBSes allowed the fido protocol to transmit "uucp-style". Or some even supported uucico. The batch style is great when commuting, I can do news and mail offline, and do a rapid update when I am near a train station or a ferry terminal. -- mrr
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| From | Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 13:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <XpidnavcfsFNgn7LnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #160852 |
Bud Frede wrote: > Your turn. I fiddled with a Bendix G-15, with 300 tubes, 3000 diodes and a drum memory. We never got it to work, finally discvered the drum was scored on a couple of tracks. I also worked on some Classic LINC computers, 12 bit with 2K words of core. Quite slow, but it had LINCtapes and a Tek X-Y scope that you could use to view tape directory and edit programs on. Quite a lot better than paper tape and an ASR-33. My first home computer was an 8008 with 256 bytes of memory. No peripherals, but I keyed in a program to play music on an AM radio. Jon
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| From | Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 11:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nc1g80$gg2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #160839 |
On 11/03/2016 12:39 AM, The New Other Guy wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:55:58 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc > <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > >> On Tuesday, February 16, 1999 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Gregory G. >> Woodbury wrote: >>> Robert Billing <unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> shaped electrons >>> to say: >> >>>> When I started 110 baud was The Industry Standard, 300 baud >>>> came years later. >> >>> Newcomer, don't you remember 50 baud? And Baudot teletype code? >> >> Now, that is a good one! > > My first 'home' computer didn't have a modem. Storage was a cassette > recorder. > > My 2nd had a 110 baud modem that you set the phone handset into. > > I was in HEAVEN when I got a 1200 baud that could actually DIAL > withOUT the use of a phone. > > > > I built my first 300 baud modem. For transmit it was a 555 oscillator frequency shifting with serial levels from the computer (also home made). No filtering lots of harmonics. Why filter bell's got lots of analog filters use theirs :) To receive an op-amp configured as a bandpass filter. The in and output phase shifts around the center frequency. Use the output to clock a D latch and put the input into the D input. Presto FSK to serial converter. I used this for a couple years at home to log onto computers at the University I worked at. It was initially acoustic coupled later direct connected. I eventually added a Charlie type dialer. My experience got me contracts to work on the technical standards for 3rd party devices on the phone system. w..
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 12:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87ziu4kch1.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #160827 |
from data file 11 says "Magic word XYZZY". 62 XYZZY I had seen copy on tymshare vm370/cms, they had gotten copy from Stanford for their PDP10 ... and was working on getting copy transfered ... old email http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008s.html#email780321 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email780405 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email780405b http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#email780414 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#email780517 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007o.html#email790912 i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and would send source to anybody that acquired all points. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-11 22:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nbvfei018nl@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #160872 |
On 2016-03-11, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: > from data file > > 11 says "Magic word XYZZY". > 62 XYZZY > > I had seen copy on tymshare vm370/cms, they had gotten copy from Stanford > for their PDP10 ... and was working on getting copy transfered ... <snip> > i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and > would send source to anybody that acquired all points. I ported it to the Univac 90/30. If I hadn't been reading the source I would never have figured out how to get that last point. "A hollow voice says 'Plugh.'" -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 13:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052DD9FB163065@aca411fa.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #160875 |
Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2016-03-11, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: > >> from data file >> >> 11 says "Magic word XYZZY". >> 62 XYZZY >> >> I had seen copy on tymshare vm370/cms, they had gotten copy from Stanford >> for their PDP10 ... and was working on getting copy transfered ... > > <snip> > >> i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and >> would send source to anybody that acquired all points. > > I ported it to the Univac 90/30. If I hadn't been reading the source > I would never have figured out how to get that last point. > > "A hollow voice says 'Plugh.'" > When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) to find it. /BAH
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 18:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dkj46aFbq4nU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #160894 |
On 2016-03-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2016-03-11, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> from data file
>>>
>>> 11 says "Magic word XYZZY".
>>> 62 XYZZY
>>>
>>> I had seen copy on tymshare vm370/cms, they had gotten copy from Stanford
>>> for their PDP10 ... and was working on getting copy transfered ...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and
>>> would send source to anybody that acquired all points.
>>
>> I ported it to the Univac 90/30. If I hadn't been reading the source
>> I would never have figured out how to get that last point.
>>
>> "A hollow voice says 'Plugh.'"
>>
> When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of
> developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not
> find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command)
> to find it.
IIRC, there was no way to get the last point without consulting the source
(or some equivalent).
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-13 14:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052DEEB1A84073@aca4807c.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #160902 |
Huge wrote: > On 2016-03-12, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2016-03-11, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >>> >>>> from data file >>>> >>>> 11 says "Magic word XYZZY". >>>> 62 XYZZY >>>> >>>> I had seen copy on tymshare vm370/cms, they had gotten copy from Stanford >>>> for their PDP10 ... and was working on getting copy transfered ... >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>> i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and >>>> would send source to anybody that acquired all points. >>> >>> I ported it to the Univac 90/30. If I hadn't been reading the source >>> I would never have figured out how to get that last point. >>> >>> "A hollow voice says 'Plugh.'" >>> >> When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of >> developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >> find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >> to find it. > > IIRC, there was no way to get the last point without consulting the source > (or some equivalent). > Perhaps on other systems, but not a PDP-10 running TOPS-10. /BAH
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 19:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <56e71541.17161567@nntp2.rawbw.com> |
| In reply to | #160894 |
On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and >>> would send source to anybody that acquired all points. >> I ported it to the Univac 90/30. If I hadn't been reading the source >> I would never have figured out how to get that last point. >> >> "A hollow voice says 'Plugh.'" >> >When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of >developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >to find it. Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I do not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be enough, but SET BREAK might be helpful.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 13:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052E164DA09BDE@aca40d5f.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #160961 |
Questor wrote: > On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> i then distributed executable on the internal network inside ibm ... and >>>> would send source to anybody that acquired all points. >>> I ported it to the Univac 90/30. If I hadn't been reading the source >>> I would never have figured out how to get that last point. >>> >>> "A hollow voice says 'Plugh.'" >>> >>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of >>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>to find it. > > Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I do > not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be enough, but > SET BREAK might be helpful. > You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be issued at any time. /BAH
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 19:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <56e85bce.9330676@nntp2.rawbw.com> |
| In reply to | #161006 |
On 15 Mar 2016 13:43:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Questor wrote: >> On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of >>>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>>to find it. >> >> Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I do >> not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be enough, >but >> SET BREAK might be helpful. > >You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be >issued at any time. You didn't answer my question. I know what the SET BREAK command is; I worked with TOPS-10 systems for over ten years. To use the SET BREAK command, you need to know an address. How do you find what address to break on, without using DDT to look at the executable? (Okay, one could use the EXAMINE command, but that would be very tedious.) Furthermore, they were looking for the point that they DIDN'T get -- which means they were looking for a routine that WASN'T executed -- so an address break there would never be hit. Your soundbite of a story sounds good at first, but falls apart under a cursory examination.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 13:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052E2A1E9F0CCD@aca43ce1.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #161020 |
Questor wrote: > On 15 Mar 2016 13:43:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Questor wrote: >>> On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch of >>>>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>>>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>>>to find it. >>> >>> Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I do >>> not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be enough, >>but >>> SET BREAK might be helpful. >> >>You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be >>issued at any time. > > You didn't answer my question. > > I know what the SET BREAK command is; I worked with TOPS-10 systems for > over ten years. Now read the commands manual for all the options. I don't remember how /CDO did it. I have a vague memory that the points were "counted" by setting a bit. You can address break on a mask of a word. > > To use the SET BREAK command, you need to know an address. How do you > find what address to break on, without using DDT to look at the executable? You can use FILDDT to look at any file. You don't have to have DDT loaded with the EXE to look at the EXE. > (Okay, one could use the EXAMINE command, but that would be very tedious.) > Furthermore, they were looking for the point that they DIDN'T get -- which means > they were looking for a routine that WASN'T executed -- so an address break > there would never be hit. You can set a mask and break. It wasn't a routine which wasn't executed; it was a mask of a certain bit and a break when that bit was referenced. Sheesh. > > Your soundbite of a story sounds good at first, but falls apart under a cursory > examination. Fine. Don't believe the expert. /BAH >
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 07:13 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dktt2nF53ilU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #161072 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052E2A1E9F0CCD@aca43ce1.ipt.aol.com... > Questor wrote: >> On 15 Mar 2016 13:43:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>Questor wrote: >>>> On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch >>>>>of >>>>>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>>>>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>>>>to find it. >>>> >>>> Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I >>>> do >>>> not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be > enough, >>>but >>>> SET BREAK might be helpful. >>> >>>You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be >>>issued at any time. >> >> You didn't answer my question. >> >> I know what the SET BREAK command is; I worked with TOPS-10 systems for >> over ten years. > > Now read the commands manual for all the options. I don't remember > how /CDO did it. I have a vague memory that the points were "counted" > by setting a bit. You can address break on a mask of a word. > >> >> To use the SET BREAK command, you need to know an address. How do you >> find what address to break on, without using DDT to look at the >> executable? > > You can use FILDDT to look at any file. You don't have to have DDT loaded > with the EXE to look at the EXE. > >> (Okay, one could use the EXAMINE command, but that would be very >> tedious.) >> Furthermore, they were looking for the point that they DIDN'T get -- >> which > means >> they were looking for a routine that WASN'T executed -- so an address >> break >> there would never be hit. > > You can set a mask and break. It wasn't a routine which wasn't executed; > it was a mask of a certain bit and a break when that bit was referenced. > Sheesh. > >> >> Your soundbite of a story sounds good at first, but falls apart under a > cursory >> examination. > > Fine. Don't believe the expert. You're no expert at finding the last point in a game like that that the player can't find when playing the game. He's right, SET BREAK can't find that.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 13:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052E3E6355F0A6@aca2d627.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #161108 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00052E2A1E9F0CCD@aca43ce1.ipt.aol.com... >> Questor wrote: >>> On 15 Mar 2016 13:43:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>Questor wrote: >>>>> On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch >>>>>>of >>>>>>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>>>>>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>>>>>to find it. >>>>> >>>>> Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I >>>>> do >>>>> not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be >> enough, >>>>but >>>>> SET BREAK might be helpful. >>>> >>>>You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be >>>>issued at any time. >>> >>> You didn't answer my question. >>> >>> I know what the SET BREAK command is; I worked with TOPS-10 systems for >>> over ten years. >> >> Now read the commands manual for all the options. I don't remember >> how /CDO did it. I have a vague memory that the points were "counted" >> by setting a bit. You can address break on a mask of a word. >> >>> >>> To use the SET BREAK command, you need to know an address. How do you >>> find what address to break on, without using DDT to look at the >>> executable? >> >> You can use FILDDT to look at any file. You don't have to have DDT loaded >> with the EXE to look at the EXE. >> >>> (Okay, one could use the EXAMINE command, but that would be very >>> tedious.) >>> Furthermore, they were looking for the point that they DIDN'T get -- >>> which >> means >>> they were looking for a routine that WASN'T executed -- so an address >>> break >>> there would never be hit. >> >> You can set a mask and break. It wasn't a routine which wasn't executed; >> it was a mask of a certain bit and a break when that bit was referenced. >> Sheesh. >> >>> >>> Your soundbite of a story sounds good at first, but falls apart under a >> cursory >>> examination. >> >> Fine. Don't believe the expert. > > You're no expert at finding the last point in a game like > that that the player can't find when playing the game. I know what happened and I know the capabilities the OS had and how these tools helped debug code and data. > > He's right, SET BREAK can't find that. Since it was done, it can be found. SET BREAK works on any address no matter what its contents are. You can break on data. /BAH
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 17:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <56eaee8b.9626141@nntp2.rawbw.com> |
| In reply to | #161143 |
On 17 Mar 2016 13:17:30 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00052E2A1E9F0CCD@aca43ce1.ipt.aol.com... >>> Questor wrote: >>>> On 15 Mar 2016 13:43:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>Questor wrote: >>>>>> On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>>>>>>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>>>>>>to find it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I >>>>>> do >>>>>> not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be >>> enough, >>>>>but >>>>>> SET BREAK might be helpful. >>>>> >>>>>You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be >>>>>issued at any time. >>>> >>>> You didn't answer my question. >>>> >>>> I know what the SET BREAK command is; I worked with TOPS-10 systems for >>>> over ten years. >>> >>> Now read the commands manual for all the options. I don't remember >>> how /CDO did it. I have a vague memory that the points were "counted" >>> by setting a bit. You can address break on a mask of a word. >>> >>>> >>>> To use the SET BREAK command, you need to know an address. How do you >>>> find what address to break on, without using DDT to look at the >>>> executable? >>> >>> You can use FILDDT to look at any file. You don't have to have DDT loaded >>> with the EXE to look at the EXE. >>> >>>> (Okay, one could use the EXAMINE command, but that would be very >>>> tedious.) >>>> Furthermore, they were looking for the point that they DIDN'T get -- >>>> which >>> means >>>> they were looking for a routine that WASN'T executed -- so an address >>>> break >>>> there would never be hit. >>> >>> You can set a mask and break. It wasn't a routine which wasn't executed; >>> it was a mask of a certain bit and a break when that bit was referenced. >>> Sheesh. >>> >>>> >>>> Your soundbite of a story sounds good at first, but falls apart under a >>> cursory >>>> examination. >>> >>> Fine. Don't believe the expert. >> >> You're no expert at finding the last point in a game like >> that that the player can't find when playing the game. > >I know what happened and I know the capabilities the OS >had and how these tools helped debug code and data. By your own admission, you don't know what happened. The fact that you know the capabilities of TOPS-10 utilities is immaterial. >> He's right, SET BREAK can't find that. > >Since it was done, it can be found. SET BREAK works on any >address no matter what its contents are. You can break >on data. SO FUCKING WHAT!! You can't set an address break until you know the address. And you continue to ignore the key question -- how do you determine what address to break on?
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-18 12:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052E51FCB72C79@aca42417.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #161159 |
Questor wrote: > On 17 Mar 2016 13:17:30 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00052E2A1E9F0CCD@aca43ce1.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Questor wrote: >>>>> On 15 Mar 2016 13:43:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>Questor wrote: >>>>>>> On 12 Mar 2016 13:34:04 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>When the game showed up on our development systems one Friday, a bunch >>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>developers spent the entire weekend playing the game. They could not >>>>>>>>find the last point, so /CDO used the SET BREAK (address break command) >>>>>>>>to find it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please explain how this could be accomplished with SET BREAK alone. I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> not think it is sufficient; you still need DDT. DDT alone would be >>>> enough, >>>>>>but >>>>>>> SET BREAK might be helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>>You don't need DDT. SET BREAK was a monitor command and could be >>>>>>issued at any time. >>>>> >>>>> You didn't answer my question. >>>>> >>>>> I know what the SET BREAK command is; I worked with TOPS-10 systems for >>>>> over ten years. >>>> >>>> Now read the commands manual for all the options. I don't remember >>>> how /CDO did it. I have a vague memory that the points were "counted" >>>> by setting a bit. You can address break on a mask of a word. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> To use the SET BREAK command, you need to know an address. How do you >>>>> find what address to break on, without using DDT to look at the >>>>> executable? >>>> >>>> You can use FILDDT to look at any file. You don't have to have DDT loaded >>>> with the EXE to look at the EXE. >>>> >>>>> (Okay, one could use the EXAMINE command, but that would be very >>>>> tedious.) >>>>> Furthermore, they were looking for the point that they DIDN'T get -- >>>>> which >>>> means >>>>> they were looking for a routine that WASN'T executed -- so an address >>>>> break >>>>> there would never be hit. >>>> >>>> You can set a mask and break. It wasn't a routine which wasn't executed; >>>> it was a mask of a certain bit and a break when that bit was referenced. >>>> Sheesh. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your soundbite of a story sounds good at first, but falls apart under a >>>> cursory >>>>> examination. >>>> >>>> Fine. Don't believe the expert. >>> >>> You're no expert at finding the last point in a game like >>> that that the player can't find when playing the game. >> >>I know what happened and I know the capabilities the OS >>had and how these tools helped debug code and data. > > By your own admission, you don't know what happened. The fact that > you know the capabilities of TOPS-10 utilities is immaterial. I don't know the precise command which was used. > > >>> He's right, SET BREAK can't find that. >> >>Since it was done, it can be found. SET BREAK works on any >>address no matter what its contents are. You can break >>on data. > > SO FUCKING WHAT!! You can't set an address break until you > know the address. And you continue to ignore the key question -- > how do you determine what address to break on? There are many, many ways to find that. You can examine the code as a user or from the monitor. There is a bit for every point so that the program can "remember" which points had been scored; the program can't remember by keeping a simple accumulation of points made. /BAH
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