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Ransomware

Started by"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
First post2016-02-16 10:37 -0600
Last post2016-02-19 12:55 -0600
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  Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 10:37 -0600
    Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 09:54 -0800
      Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-16 19:41 +0100
        Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 21:11 +0100
          Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 02:16 +0100
          Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 22:05 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 23:35 +0100
              Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
        Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:13 +1100
          Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 04:53 +0100
            Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:21 +0000
            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:24 +1100
              Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:07 +0100
                Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
        Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:03 +0000
          Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
      Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:01 +0000
        Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-17 14:01 -0500
            Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
              Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:09 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 20:45 -0700
                  Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-17 22:34 -0600
                  Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 11:16 -0600
                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:44 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:00 +1100
              Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-18 02:12 +0000
              Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-17 22:47 -0500
                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:10 +1100
                  Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 21:29 -0800
                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:56 +1100
                      Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 23:15 -0800
                        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:35 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-18 17:58 -0800
                      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:44 +1100
              Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-17 20:44 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 08:03 -0600
                  Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:14 -0600
                    Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 19:10 -0600
                      Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 20:13 -0800
                        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:26 +1100
                      Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:34 -0600
                        Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:26 +0000
                          Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 18:21 -0500
                              Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
                                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 23:32 -0500
                            Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:34 -0800
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 19:59 +1100
                              Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 07:25 -0500
                              Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:30 -0600
                                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-20 10:58 -0600
                                  Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:25 +1100
                                  Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
                                  Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
                                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:26 +1100
                                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:16 +1100
                                  Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
                                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:22 +1100
                          Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 17:36 -0500
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:01 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 16:26 -0800
                              Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-21 13:52 -0800
                                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-21 18:51 -0500
                          Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:18 -0800
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 15:03 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-20 16:12 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 15:59 -0600
                          Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:59 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:36 +1100
                          Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 17:01 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 18:54 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 19:48 -0600
                                Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 16:20 -0600
                                  Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 18:17 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:53 -0800
                            Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
                              Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 21:33 -0500
                                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:23 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:48 +1100
                              Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:56 -0800
                              Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-19 23:18 -0500
                                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:35 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:12 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 15:33 -0600
                                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:11 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
                              Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 20:00 -0800
                                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 01:51 -0700
                                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:34 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:19 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:40 -0800
                            Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:46 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 23:55 -0600
                      Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 10:48 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:56 -0500
                          Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:50 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:29 +0000
                              Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-19 16:54 +0000
                                Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 17:55 +0000
                                  Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-20 08:30 +0000
                                    Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-20 15:29 +0000
                                    Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-20 10:06 -0600
                                      Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 11:03 -0600
                                        Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:14 -0600
                                  Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:27 -0600
                                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 09:49 +1100
                                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:29 +1100
                                  Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:53 +0000
                                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:42 +1100
                                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 -0500
                              Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:24 +1100
                        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:53 +1100
                        Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:15 +0000
                      Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 17:55 -0800
                Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:19 -0500
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:19 -0600
                  Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:46 -0500
                    Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 18:01 +0000
                      Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 14:36 -0500
                        Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 11:23 +0000
                          Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 09:28 -0500
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:19 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0600
                  Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 10:24 -0700
                    Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 12:27 -0800
                      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:22 +1100
                        Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 00:07 -0600
                          Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 18:34 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:41 -0500
                              Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 07:43 -0600
                                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:13 +0000
                              Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 08:01 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:50 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
                  Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 13:34 -0600
                Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:34 -0500
                  Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:33 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 21:04 -0500
                      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:46 +1100
                        Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:34 -0500
                          Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:47 +1100
                  Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
              Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:03 -0500
              Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 19:21 +0000
                Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-18 20:56 +0000
                  Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 21:19 +0000
                    Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:48 +0000
                      Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 14:12 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:54 -0600
                          Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:29 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:42 -0600
                              Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-21 15:48 +0000
                                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:43 +1100
                                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:55 -0600
                                  Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:53 +1100
                                  Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-23 13:13 +0000
                                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 04:49 +1100
                                Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-21 19:56 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:19 +0000
                          Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:08 -0800
                          Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:18 -0800
                        Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 18:10 +0000
                          Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 21:43 +0000
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:52 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-19 16:53 -0800
                Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:37 -0600
            Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
              Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:32 +1100
      Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 11:13 -0600
    Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-16 17:57 +0000
      Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 14:19 -0600
        Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:05 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-17 12:03 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:21 +0100
            Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 07:38 -0700
            Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
              Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-18 12:10 -0600
                Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
          Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-18 12:06 -0600
      Re: Ransomware Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-16 12:49 -0800
        Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-16 16:55 -0600
          Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 17:31 -0600
        Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 16:11 -0800
        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:26 +1100
        Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 11:19 -0600
          Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-17 12:05 -0600
            Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:58 -0600
              Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
                Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:39 -0800
    Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-16 16:44 -0400
      Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-16 15:30 -0600
        Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:20 +0100
          Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-17 18:48 -0500
              Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 16:46 +0100
                  Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0800
                    Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 14:43 -0500
                      Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 14:06 -0600
                        Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 15:48 -0500
                          Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 15:36 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:30 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 19:38 -0500
                          Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:43 +0000
                          Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 00:51 +0100
                            Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:45 +0000
                              Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 15:00 +0100
                              Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 07:01 -0700
                                Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 10:16 -0500
                                  Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:15 -0700
                                    Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:19 -0700
                                      Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:55 +0000
                                        Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 12:54 -0700
                                          Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 17:46 -0800
                                      Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:08 -0600
                                Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-23 16:01 -0600
                                  Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:24 -0500
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:58 +1100
                          Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:40 +0000
                      Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:06 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:11 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:44 +0100
                    Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                      Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:13 +1100
                  Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                    Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 17:08 +0100
                      Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:41 +1100
                        Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
                          Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 09:35 +0100
                          Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-21 10:18 +0000
                            Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 16:48 +0100
                          Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-21 18:40 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 01:53 +0100
                              Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 18:36 -0700
                              Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 00:12 -0600
                                Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 09:37 +0100
                                  Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:17 -0500
                                    Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:29 +0100
                                      Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:42 -0500
                                        Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:52 +0100
                                          Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 10:23 -0500
                                            Re: Ransomware using libc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-22 17:24 +0000
                                              Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 20:29 +0100
                                                Re: Ransomware using libc Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-22 19:38 +0000
                                                  Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 21:31 +0100
                                          Re: Ransomware using libc Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:17 +0000
                                          Re: Ransomware using libc Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 14:41 -0600
                                            Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:07 +0100
                                  Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:16 -0700
                                    Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 17:21 +0100
                                      Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:34 -0700
                                  Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 11:11 -0600
                                    Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 18:25 +0100
                                      Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:15 -0600
                                        Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:28 +0100
                                          Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 21:46 -0600
                    Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:05 +1100
                Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:31 +1100
                Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-18 13:56 -0600
                  Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
                    Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:16 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-19 17:09 -0600
                      Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:55 +1100
                        Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
                          Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-22 14:07 -0600
                            Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 07:15 +1100
                            Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 18:30 -0500
                              Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-23 01:49 +0000
                                Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:09 +1100
                              Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:03 +1100
            Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:12 -0600
          Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:29 -0500
            Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:35 -0600
              Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-20 09:55 +0000
                Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 07:30 -0700
                  Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 11:11 -0500
                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:05 +1100
                  Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 11:55 +0000
                    Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 14:04 +0100
                      Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 13:57 +0000
                        Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-21 23:28 +0000
                      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:34 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:32 +1100
                    Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-21 12:14 -0600
                      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:47 +1100
        Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 14:03 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-17 15:20 -0600
            Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 21:31 +0000
            Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-18 08:23 +0000
              Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:42 -0600
        Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:23 -0500
          Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:43 -0600
            Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:48 -0500
      Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 17:04 -0800
        Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:42 +1100
        Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:17 +0000
          Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-17 04:08 -0400
            Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:04 +0000
          Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0500
            Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 13:38 +0100
              Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:57 -0500
      Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:24 +1100
      Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
        Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 16:43 -0800
        Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
      Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 12:55 -0600

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#159804

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-19 09:50 -0600
Message-ID<5ceecbdsu41datnnl2mq39c5kvfgfk31nr@4ax.com>
In reply to#159776
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <slrnncdsng.196.mausg@smaus.org>, mausg@mail.com says...
>> 
>> On 2016-02-19, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>> > On 2/18/2016 5:14 PM, JimP wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:03:10 -0600, Lawrence Statton
>> >> <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote:
>> >>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>> >>>> In this particular case, my opinion favors privacy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But what happens if national security is threatened?  Suppose the feds
>> >>>> had a phone which contained plans of an impending attack, and accessing
>> >>>> those plans would save significant lives?
>> >>>
>> >>> The ends never justify the means.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ever.
>> >>>
>> >>> If they can't make their case some other way -- then the case does not
>> >>> need making.
>> >>
>> >> That makes no sense. If the phone could contain info on additional
>> >> terrorist activity then Apple should get off their collective ass and
>> >> fix the phone so the info can be read.
>> >
>> > Of course, ANY phone COULD contain info on terrorist activity. You 
>> > surely realize that governments (including ours, from the FBI down to 
>> > the county sheriff) will make ample use of that possibility. "Oh 
>> > shucks, it turned out that Jim wasn't involved in terrorist activity, 
>> > but while we were checking we found evidence of something else 
>> > illegal." or "He claimed he was buying stuff from AliBaba, but we 
>> > thought he was financing terrorists."
>> >
>> > And the governments of any country that Apple does business in, too.
>> >
>> > I'd give it a month before the software (or at least the functionality 
>> > of it) that Apple writes is in the hands of all sorts of parties, 
>> > including the Russian mob.
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was 
>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little 
>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>> wardens could access 'secure' data. 
>
>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their 
>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>
>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break 
>it.

Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.

-- 
JimP.

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#159810

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2016-02-19 16:29 +0000
Message-ID<upHxy.5424$hN1.4972@fx34.iad>
In reply to#159804
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was 
>>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little 
>>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>>> wardens could access 'secure' data. 
>>
>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their 
>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>>
>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break 
>>it.
>
>Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
>Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

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#159812

FromStan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org>
Date2016-02-19 16:54 +0000
Message-ID<slrnncei6o.3qv.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>
In reply to#159810
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:14 GMT, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was 
>>>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little 
>>>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
>>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>>>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>>>> wardens could access 'secure' data. 
>>>
>>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their 
>>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>>>
>>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break 
>>>it.
>>
>>Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
>>Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.
>
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
when they want to keep things *really* secure.

The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
electronic equivalent.

-- 
Stan Barr     plan.b@bluesomatic.org

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#159821

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-02-19 17:55 +0000
Message-ID<20160219175525.01fdcc3dbbbe6ccf73d49095@eircom.net>
In reply to#159812
On 19 Feb 2016 16:54:48 GMT
Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:

> We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
> just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
> when they want to keep things *really* secure.

	It is the only unbreakable code - regardless of how much computing
power you have, even infinite computing power won't help, every message of
the same length is equally likely to be the original - unless you know
something about the pad, the more you know the weaker the code.

> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
> electronic equivalent.

	Securing the pad is of course one problem - as well as secure
distribution you need secure retention, copy detection and rapid
invalidation to feel safe. Another weakness is the quality of the pad, if it
becomes possible to predict the rest of the pad (even partially) from that
which has been used the code is broken. An unexpected pattern in a
supposedly good random number generator could be a nasty surprise.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#159911

FromStan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org>
Date2016-02-20 08:30 +0000
Message-ID<slrnncg913.88p.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de>
In reply to#159821
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:55:25 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot 
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2016 16:54:48 GMT
> Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:
>
>> We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
>> just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
>> when they want to keep things *really* secure.
>
> 	It is the only unbreakable code - regardless of how much computing
> power you have, even infinite computing power won't help, every message of
> the same length is equally likely to be the original - unless you know
> something about the pad, the more you know the weaker the code.
>
>> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
>> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
>> electronic equivalent.
>
> 	Securing the pad is of course one problem - as well as secure
> distribution you need secure retention, copy detection and rapid
> invalidation to feel safe. Another weakness is the quality of the pad, if it
> becomes possible to predict the rest of the pad (even partially) from that
> which has been used the code is broken. An unexpected pattern in a
> supposedly good random number generator could be a nasty surprise.
>

There must, of course, only ever be two copies of the pad - one for
the sender and one for the recipient, and they should *not* copy them.

For random numbers, even back then pseudo-random number programs were
regard as insecure.  ERNIE, the generator of winning numbers for
Premium Bond (UK) prizes counted cosmic rays to generate truly random
numbers.  I wrote a small assembler program that ran in the background
on my TRS-80 and measured the time between keystrokes then hashed that
to an 8-bit value.  The times varied from a fraction of a second to
hours, so a good spread.  Run it for a few days and you had a floppy
full of nicely random numbers.
Ah! The good old days :-)

We might have to resurrect all this stuff...

-- 
Stan Barr     plan.b@bluesomatic.org

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#159935

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-02-20 15:29 +0000
Message-ID<20160220152909.e61ab4f454a32a37b2b88e2d@eircom.net>
In reply to#159911
On 20 Feb 2016 08:30:27 GMT
Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:55:25 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot 
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 19 Feb 2016 16:54:48 GMT
> > Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:
> >
> >> We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
> >> just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
> >> when they want to keep things *really* secure.
> >
> > 	It is the only unbreakable code - regardless of how much
> > computing power you have, even infinite computing power won't help,
> > every message of the same length is equally likely to be the original -
> > unless you know something about the pad, the more you know the weaker
> > the code.
> >
> >> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
> >> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
> >> electronic equivalent.
> >
> > 	Securing the pad is of course one problem - as well as secure
> > distribution you need secure retention, copy detection and rapid
> > invalidation to feel safe. Another weakness is the quality of the pad,
> > if it becomes possible to predict the rest of the pad (even partially)
> > from that which has been used the code is broken. An unexpected pattern
> > in a supposedly good random number generator could be a nasty surprise.
> >
> 
> There must, of course, only ever be two copies of the pad - one for
> the sender and one for the recipient, and they should *not* copy them.

	Or permit them to be copied, or take any risk that they might be
copied.

> For random numbers, even back then pseudo-random number programs were
> regard as insecure.  ERNIE, the generator of winning numbers for
> Premium Bond (UK) prizes counted cosmic rays to generate truly random
> numbers.

	Yes, that sort of thing is good so long as there are no
environmental influences distorting the measurements.

> I wrote a small assembler program that ran in the background
> on my TRS-80 and measured the time between keystrokes then hashed that
> to an 8-bit value.  The times varied from a fraction of a second to
> hours, so a good spread.  Run it for a few days and you had a floppy
> full of nicely random numbers.
> Ah! The good old days :-)
> 
> We might have to resurrect all this stuff...

	Modern systems use all sorts of entropy sources to provide
better random numbers - often used to seed PRNGs because they have a
limited rate.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#159937

FromLawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx>
Date2016-02-20 10:06 -0600
Message-ID<8737snqsc1.fsf@senguio.mx>
In reply to#159911
Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> writes:
> For random numbers, even back then pseudo-random number programs were
> regard as insecure.  ERNIE, the generator of winning numbers for
> Premium Bond (UK) prizes counted cosmic rays to generate truly random
> numbers.  I wrote a small assembler program that ran in the background
> on my TRS-80 and measured the time between keystrokes then hashed that
> to an 8-bit value.  The times varied from a fraction of a second to
> hours, so a good spread.  Run it for a few days and you had a floppy
> full of nicely random numbers.
> Ah! The good old days :-)
>
> We might have to resurrect all this stuff...

There are notes available at Fourmilab's website for building a true
RNG using a small radioactive check source.  

Twenty-plus years ago, I built a digital noise source using a simple
warm zener diode, which gave several hundred kilobits of "quality"
random bits.  

A little later, I went above-and-beyond by building a second
noise-source using a 241-Am source from a smoke detector and a little
pencil-sized G-M tube I got from Edmund Scientific.

Mixing the relatively fast noise diode source with the slower quantum
source gave "virtually perfect" random numbers.

Alas, that's one of the things that I elected NOT to bring with me when
I moved abroad... 

--NK1G

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#159960

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2016-02-20 11:03 -0600
Message-ID<dirki5FiqckU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#159937
"Lawrence Statton NK1G" wrote:

> Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> writes:
>> For random numbers, even back then pseudo-random number programs were
>> regard as insecure.  ERNIE, the generator of winning numbers for
>> Premium Bond (UK) prizes counted cosmic rays to generate truly random
>> numbers.  I wrote a small assembler program that ran in the background
>> on my TRS-80 and measured the time between keystrokes then hashed that
>> to an 8-bit value.  The times varied from a fraction of a second to
>> hours, so a good spread.  Run it for a few days and you had a floppy
>> full of nicely random numbers.
>> Ah! The good old days :-)
>>
>> We might have to resurrect all this stuff...
>
> There are notes available at Fourmilab's website for building a true
> RNG using a small radioactive check source.
>
> Twenty-plus years ago, I built a digital noise source using a simple
> warm zener diode, which gave several hundred kilobits of "quality"
> random bits.
>
> A little later, I went above-and-beyond by building a second
> noise-source using a 241-Am source from a smoke detector and a little
> pencil-sized G-M tube I got from Edmund Scientific.
>
> Mixing the relatively fast noise diode source with the slower quantum
> source gave "virtually perfect" random numbers.
>
> Alas, that's one of the things that I elected NOT to bring with me when
> I moved abroad...

That's all good stuff.  But it seems to me that a good PRNG would be much 
more practical and just as good for encryption except in a court of law.  I 
have in mind RC4 with a nice big seed from your favorite source. Exchange 
the seed using RSA.  I can't imagine a decrypt of such a message actually 
happening.  It does suffer from the theoretical possibility that an alleged 
decrypt was successful. So you could end up with a farcical trial. like the 
OJ Simpson case, where the jury has a convoluted counter story they can 
pretend to believe.  I don't think it's that hard to find six people who 
will believe what they want to believe. Or even one person

But the use of a real random number generator has all kinds of practical 
hurdles involving physical media changing hands.   In my mind, it comes down 
to theory vs.practice and I strongly favor the practical solution.  Imagine 
waiting for an airplane chugging along at 600 mph to deliver a CD so you can 
translate an important message while you pace the floor. We have been 
spoiled by the invention of the telegraph.

But theory says you need a random number generator and, sadly, RC4 is not a 
random number generator. 

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#160135

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-02-22 16:14 -0600
Message-ID<nag12n$g9j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#159960
On 20-Feb-16 11:03, Osmium wrote:
> But it seems to me that a good PRNG would be much more practical
> and just as good for encryption except in a court of law.  I have
> in mind RC4 with a nice big seed from your favorite source.

s/seed/key/

Congratulations; you just reinvented stream ciphers!

> I can't imagine a decrypt of such a message actually happening.

Folks _have_ figured out how to break RC4 and recover the key, which is
why WEP (RC4) was so quickly replaced with WPA (AES).

> But theory says you need a random number generator and, sadly, RC4
> is not a random number generator.

It's not just theory; WEP was broken _because_ RC4 uses a PRNG rather
than a true RNG.

Some folks try to present stream ciphers as having the security of a
one-time pad but with a smaller key, but if the key is even one bit
shorter than the message, you're using a PRNG and not a one-time pad.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#160138

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2016-02-22 16:27 -0600
Message-ID<nag1rc$j2l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#159821
On 19-Feb-16 11:55, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:
>> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is. 
>> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or
>> their electronic equivalent.
> 
> Securing the pad is of course one problem - as well as secure 
> distribution you need secure retention, copy detection and rapid 
> invalidation to feel safe.

Yes, which makes them incredibly difficult to use in practice.  The
canonical example is a spy sent with a unique preprinted codebook who
burns each page after using it; that is perfectly secure, but when he
uses up the entire book, he has to get a new one--and puts his entire
operation at risk.

> Another weakness is the quality of the pad, if it becomes possible
> to predict the rest of the pad (even partially) from that which has
> been used the code is broken. An unexpected pattern in a supposedly
> good random number generator could be a nasty surprise.

Indeed, which is why there are tests to judge the quality of alleged
RNGs.  Most PRNGs fail pretty quickly, but the nature of the tests is
that it's impossible to pass; the only possible results are "fail" or
"unknown".  It's possible that what we _think_ are true RNGs will fail
in the future due to having patterns sufficiently long that we just
haven't detected them yet.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#160141

From"hgww" <hgww@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-23 09:49 +1100
Message-ID<dj1hj4F495kU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#160138

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message 
news:nag1rc$j2l$1@dont-email.me...
> On 19-Feb-16 11:55, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote:
>>> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
>>> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or
>>> their electronic equivalent.
>>
>> Securing the pad is of course one problem - as well as secure
>> distribution you need secure retention, copy detection and rapid
>> invalidation to feel safe.
>
> Yes, which makes them incredibly difficult to use in practice.

Not when using them for doing what we are discussing,
encrypting your phone.

> The canonical example is a spy sent with a unique preprinted codebook who
> burns each page after using it; that is perfectly secure, but when he
> uses up the entire book, he has to get a new one--and puts his entire
> operation at risk.

Doesn’t happen when encrypting your phone.

>> Another weakness is the quality of the pad, if it becomes possible
>> to predict the rest of the pad (even partially) from that which has
>> been used the code is broken. An unexpected pattern in a supposedly
>> good random number generator could be a nasty surprise.
>
> Indeed, which is why there are tests to judge the quality of alleged
> RNGs.  Most PRNGs fail pretty quickly, but the nature of the tests is
> that it's impossible to pass; the only possible results are "fail" or
> "unknown".  It's possible that what we _think_ are true RNGs will fail
> in the future due to having patterns sufficiently long that we just
> haven't detected them yet.
 

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#159834

From"hgww" <hgww@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-20 05:29 +1100
Message-ID<dip598Fu4t1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#159812

"Stan Barr" <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote in message 
news:slrnncei6o.3qv.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de...
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:14 GMT, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> 
> wrote:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>>><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was
>>>>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little
>>>>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany 
>>>>> rivalry,
>>>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>>>>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>>>>> wardens could access 'secure' data.
>>>>
>>>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their
>>>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>>>>
>>>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
>>>Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.
>>
>>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
>
> We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
> just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
> when they want to keep things *really* secure.
>
> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
> electronic equivalent.

You don’t have to distribute the pads when you are encrypting
the data on your own phone. 

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#159838

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-02-19 18:53 +0000
Message-ID<20160219185333.dc6209d6259ff4562b3e2570@eircom.net>
In reply to#159834
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 05:29:53 +1100
"hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> "Stan Barr" <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote in message 
> news:slrnncei6o.3qv.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de...
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:14 GMT, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> 
> > wrote:
> >> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> >>><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There
> >>>>> was a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most
> >>>>> little devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably
> >>>>> intertlccompany rivalry,
> >>>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a
> >>>>> debate in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that
> >>>>> even traffic wardens could access 'secure' data.
> >>>>
> >>>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their
> >>>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
> >>>>
> >>>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot
> >>>>break it.
> >>>
> >>>Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
> >>>Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.
> >>
> >>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
> >
> > We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
> > just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
> > when they want to keep things *really* secure.
> >
> > The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
> > It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
> > electronic equivalent.
> 
> You don’t have to distribute the pads when you are encrypting
> the data on your own phone. 

	You do have to keep it safe, that's not easy.

-- 
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#159855

From"hgww" <hgww@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-20 09:42 +1100
Message-ID<dipk3iF3dv9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#159838

"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
news:20160219185333.dc6209d6259ff4562b3e2570@eircom.net...
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 05:29:53 +1100
> "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Stan Barr" <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote in message
>> news:slrnncei6o.3qv.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de...
>> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:14 GMT, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home>
>> > wrote:
>> >> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>> >>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>> >>><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There
>> >>>>> was a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most
>> >>>>> little devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably
>> >>>>> intertlccompany rivalry,
>> >>>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a
>> >>>>> debate in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that
>> >>>>> even traffic wardens could access 'secure' data.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their
>> >>>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot
>> >>>>break it.
>> >>>
>> >>>Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
>> >>>Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.
>> >>
>> >>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
>> >
>> > We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
>> > just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
>> > when they want to keep things *really* secure.
>> >
>> > The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
>> > It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
>> > electronic equivalent.
>>
>> You don’t have to distribute the pads when you are encrypting
>> the data on your own phone.
>
> You do have to keep it safe, that's not easy.

Trivially easy with a phone or tablet where all you have to
do is have the phone or tablet delete the pad once it has
decided that it needs to do that because either the device
passcode can not be entered successfully or it fails the
bio sensor verification of who is using it or both.

Even holding a gun to the owner's head doesn’t work
because all they have to do is supply a different passcode
which signals that the owner has a gun held to its head
so the device just wipes the data that matters and replaces
it with what looks like valid data but which is in fact not
the data it's protecting at all. 

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#159841

FromWalter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com>
Date2016-02-19 14:24 -0500
Message-ID<na7q51$p8j$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#159812
On 19/02/2016 11:54 AM, Stan Barr wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:14 GMT, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>>> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was
>>>>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little
>>>>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
>>>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>>>>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>>>>> wardens could access 'secure' data.
>>>>
>>>> If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their
>>>> boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>>>>
>>>> Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
>>> Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.
>>
>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad
>
> We did an experimental computer version of OTP back in the 8-bit days
> just to see how to do it.  Governments and the military still use OTP
> when they want to keep things *really* secure.
>
> The book "Venona" will give you a feel for just how secure it is.
> It does,however, require the secure distribution of the pads or their
> electronic equivalent.
>

We worked on an ISA and developed tools for a microprocessor designed to 
resist reverse engineering by having an encripted binary whose keys 
changed with each compile.

It too used a OTP for security. Very difficult (probably not impossible) 
to reverse engineer.

w..

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#159850

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
Message-ID<kf0fcbp3ggb17oaftrmola0mbfqr6bd7oq@4ax.com>
In reply to#159810
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
>><j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was 
>>>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little 
>>>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
>>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>>>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>>>> wardens could access 'secure' data. 
>>>
>>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their 
>>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>>>
>>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break 
>>>it.
>>
>>Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
>>Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

I know what a one time pad is from reading books about WW2.

-- 
JimP.

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#159833

From"hgww" <hgww@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-20 05:24 +1100
Message-ID<dip4vsFu232U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#159804

"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:5ceecbdsu41datnnl2mq39c5kvfgfk31nr@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 05:56:49 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <slrnncdsng.196.mausg@smaus.org>, mausg@mail.com says...
>>>
>>> On 2016-02-19, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>> > On 2/18/2016 5:14 PM, JimP wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:03:10 -0600, Lawrence Statton
>>> >> <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote:
>>> >>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>> >>>> In this particular case, my opinion favors privacy.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> But what happens if national security is threatened?  Suppose the 
>>> >>>> feds
>>> >>>> had a phone which contained plans of an impending attack, and 
>>> >>>> accessing
>>> >>>> those plans would save significant lives?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The ends never justify the means.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ever.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If they can't make their case some other way -- then the case does 
>>> >>> not
>>> >>> need making.
>>> >>
>>> >> That makes no sense. If the phone could contain info on additional
>>> >> terrorist activity then Apple should get off their collective ass and
>>> >> fix the phone so the info can be read.
>>> >
>>> > Of course, ANY phone COULD contain info on terrorist activity. You
>>> > surely realize that governments (including ours, from the FBI down to
>>> > the county sheriff) will make ample use of that possibility. "Oh
>>> > shucks, it turned out that Jim wasn't involved in terrorist activity,
>>> > but while we were checking we found evidence of something else
>>> > illegal." or "He claimed he was buying stuff from AliBaba, but we
>>> > thought he was financing terrorists."
>>> >
>>> > And the governments of any country that Apple does business in, too.
>>> >
>>> > I'd give it a month before the software (or at least the functionality
>>> > of it) that Apple writes is in the hands of all sorts of parties,
>>> > including the Russian mob.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was
>>> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little
>>> devices (phones, etc). After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
>>> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
>>> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
>>> wardens could access 'secure' data.
>>
>>If the NSA could read everything then the FBI would be getting their
>>boss to talk to the NSA boss, not threatening Apple.
>>
>>Simple fact, there is encryption strong enough that the NSA cannot break
>>it.
>
> Well, they have publically claimed there is unhackabe encryption to
> Congress. Which isn't evidence of any thing.

But we also have the evidence that there is plenty they haven't been able to 
hack.

If they could, Snowden would have been able to show it. He didn't, so they 
can't. 

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#159818

From"hgww" <hgww@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-20 04:53 +1100
Message-ID<dip34nFtjebU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#159774

<mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnncdsng.196.mausg@smaus.org...
> On 2016-02-19, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>> On 2/18/2016 5:14 PM, JimP wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:03:10 -0600, Lawrence Statton
>>> <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote:
>>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>>>> In this particular case, my opinion favors privacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what happens if national security is threatened?  Suppose the feds
>>>>> had a phone which contained plans of an impending attack, and 
>>>>> accessing
>>>>> those plans would save significant lives?
>>>>
>>>> The ends never justify the means.
>>>>
>>>> Ever.
>>>>
>>>> If they can't make their case some other way -- then the case does not
>>>> need making.
>>>
>>> That makes no sense. If the phone could contain info on additional
>>> terrorist activity then Apple should get off their collective ass and
>>> fix the phone so the info can be read.
>>
>> Of course, ANY phone COULD contain info on terrorist activity. You
>> surely realize that governments (including ours, from the FBI down to
>> the county sheriff) will make ample use of that possibility. "Oh
>> shucks, it turned out that Jim wasn't involved in terrorist activity,
>> but while we were checking we found evidence of something else
>> illegal." or "He claimed he was buying stuff from AliBaba, but we
>> thought he was financing terrorists."
>>
>> And the governments of any country that Apple does business in, too.
>>
>> I'd give it a month before the software (or at least the functionality
>> of it) that Apple writes is in the hands of all sorts of parties,
>> including the Russian mob.
>>
>>
>
> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything.

It isnt. If they could, 9/11 and the London
bombings could not have happened.

There was
> a story a while ago that `eavesdropping' is built into most little
> devices (phones, etc).

If that was true, the FBI wouldn’t have to get the court to force
Apple to do what they are attempting to force Apple to do.

After that, its probably intertlccompany rivalry,
> "Son, Sob, the ??? can read phones, and we can't". there was a debate
> in the UK a while ago about data, and it turned out that even traffic
> wardens could access 'secure' data.

Not in an iphone they can't. 

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#159835

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2016-02-19 18:15 +0000
Message-ID<20160219181513.dfb1662be55751479370919d@eircom.net>
In reply to#159774
On 19 Feb 2016 10:48:36 GMT
mausg@mail.com wrote:

> I think that it is a given that the NSA can read everything. There was 

	Almost anything I might believe (although AIUI there isn't
sufficient computing power in existence for some encryption unless there is
some key weakness to exploit) but I really don't believe everything. I am
quite willing to believe that they can throw more computing power and
devious tricks around than anyone else, and that there may well be very
little that they can't read given time and sufficient reason to use the
resources (I think that it isn't too hard to encrypt things so that nobody
can read them - BICBW). However even they have limited resources and won't
read everything, the harder it is to read the more reason they'd need to
even try, especially when it is likely to be easier and cheaper to find
another way to get at the data.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
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#159878

Fromhancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Date2016-02-19 17:55 -0800
Message-ID<a0ebc485-5a8f-4713-8e6e-e4b8e86dfa3d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#159763
On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 12:55:53 AM UTC-5, Dave Garland wrote:

> Of course, ANY phone COULD contain info on terrorist activity. You 
> surely realize that governments (including ours, from the FBI down to 
> the county sheriff) will make ample use of that possibility. "Oh 
> shucks, it turned out that Jim wasn't involved in terrorist activity, 
> but while we were checking we found evidence of something else 
> illegal." or "He claimed he was buying stuff from AliBaba, but we 
> thought he was financing terrorists."

That's exactly what happened with former NY gov Spitzer.  The Patriot
Act allowed searching, and there were suspicious transactions.  Turns
out he was merely visiting a hooker.

On the flip side, the government then was just doing a fishing expedition.
In this case, they assert there may be terrorist data on the phone.
Whether there is or not remains to be seen.

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