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| Started by | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| First post | 2016-02-16 10:37 -0600 |
| Last post | 2016-02-19 12:55 -0600 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 317 — 37 participants |
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Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 10:37 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 09:54 -0800
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-16 19:41 +0100
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 21:11 +0100
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 02:16 +0100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 22:05 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 23:35 +0100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:13 +1100
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 04:53 +0100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:21 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:24 +1100
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:07 +0100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:01 +0000
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-17 14:01 -0500
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:09 -0800
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 20:45 -0700
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-17 22:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 11:16 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:44 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:00 +1100
Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-18 02:12 +0000
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-17 22:47 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:10 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 21:29 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:56 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 23:15 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:35 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-18 17:58 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:44 +1100
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-17 20:44 -0800
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 08:03 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:14 -0600
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 19:10 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 20:13 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:26 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:26 +0000
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 18:21 -0500
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 23:32 -0500
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:34 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 19:59 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 07:25 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:30 -0600
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-20 10:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:25 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:26 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:16 +1100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:22 +1100
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 17:36 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:01 +1100
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 16:26 -0800
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-21 13:52 -0800
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-21 18:51 -0500
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:18 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 15:03 +1100
Re: Ransomware Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-20 16:12 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 15:59 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:59 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:36 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 17:01 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 18:54 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 19:48 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 16:20 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 18:17 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:53 -0800
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 21:33 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:23 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:48 +1100
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:56 -0800
Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-19 23:18 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:35 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:12 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 15:33 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:11 +1100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 20:00 -0800
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 01:51 -0700
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:40 -0800
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:46 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 23:55 -0600
Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 10:48 +0000
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:56 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:50 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:29 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-19 16:54 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 17:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-20 08:30 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-20 15:29 +0000
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-20 10:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 11:03 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:14 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:27 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 09:49 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:29 +1100
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:53 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:42 +1100
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:24 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:53 +1100
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:15 +0000
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 17:55 -0800
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:19 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:46 -0500
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 18:01 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 14:36 -0500
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 11:23 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 09:28 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:19 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 10:24 -0700
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 12:27 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:22 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 00:07 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 18:34 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:41 -0500
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 07:43 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:13 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 08:01 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:50 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 13:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:34 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:33 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 21:04 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:46 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:34 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:47 +1100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:03 -0500
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 19:21 +0000
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-18 20:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 21:19 +0000
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 14:12 +0000
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:54 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:29 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:42 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-21 15:48 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:43 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:55 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:53 +1100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-23 13:13 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 04:49 +1100
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-21 19:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:19 +0000
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:08 -0800
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:18 -0800
Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 18:10 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:52 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-19 16:53 -0800
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:37 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:32 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 11:13 -0600
Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-16 17:57 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 14:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-17 12:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:21 +0100
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 07:38 -0700
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-18 12:10 -0600
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-18 12:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-16 12:49 -0800
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-16 16:55 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 17:31 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 16:11 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:26 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 11:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-17 12:05 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:39 -0800
Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-16 16:44 -0400
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-16 15:30 -0600
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:20 +0100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-17 18:48 -0500
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 16:46 +0100
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0800
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 14:43 -0500
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 14:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 15:48 -0500
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 15:36 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:30 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 19:38 -0500
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:43 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 00:51 +0100
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:45 +0000
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 15:00 +0100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 07:01 -0700
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 10:16 -0500
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:19 -0700
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 12:54 -0700
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 17:46 -0800
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:08 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-23 16:01 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:24 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:58 +1100
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:40 +0000
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:06 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:11 +1100
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:44 +0100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:13 +1100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 17:08 +0100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:41 +1100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 09:35 +0100
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-21 10:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 16:48 +0100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-21 18:40 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 01:53 +0100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 18:36 -0700
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 00:12 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 09:37 +0100
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:17 -0500
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:29 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:42 -0500
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:52 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 10:23 -0500
Re: Ransomware using libc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-22 17:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 20:29 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-22 19:38 +0000
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 21:31 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:17 +0000
Re: Ransomware using libc Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 14:41 -0600
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:07 +0100
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:16 -0700
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 17:21 +0100
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:34 -0700
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 11:11 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 18:25 +0100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:15 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:28 +0100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 21:46 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:05 +1100
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:31 +1100
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-18 13:56 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:16 +1100
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-19 17:09 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:55 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-22 14:07 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 07:15 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 18:30 -0500
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-23 01:49 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:09 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:03 +1100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:12 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:29 -0500
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:35 -0600
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-20 09:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 07:30 -0700
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 11:11 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:05 +1100
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 11:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 14:04 +0100
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 13:57 +0000
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-21 23:28 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:34 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:32 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-21 12:14 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:47 +1100
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-17 15:20 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 21:31 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-18 08:23 +0000
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:42 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:23 -0500
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:43 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:48 -0500
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 17:04 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:42 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:17 +0000
Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-17 04:08 -0400
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:04 +0000
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0500
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 13:38 +0100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:57 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:24 +1100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 16:43 -0800
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 12:55 -0600
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| From | Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 19:10 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <87povtqzcz.fsf@redbull.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> |
| In reply to | #159733 |
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >>If they can't make their case some other way -- then the case does not >>need making. > > That makes no sense. If the phone could contain info on additional > terrorist activity then Apple should get off their collective ass and > fix the phone so the info can be read. > > Dead terrorists have no privacy for anyone to be tauting fake concern > for. Well - actually, yes -- privacy survives the person. Your right to privacy does not end when you die. If it is my fate to die in a horrible explosion, I will die on my feet as a free man, not on my knees as a slave to an oppressive state. In case I did not make it clear -- the possibility of a bad actor, or multiple bad actors working in concert to bring me (or other persons in any number) harm is a minuscule price to pay for freedom.
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 20:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <78f603b7-84bc-46ea-bae3-6120be36b220@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159744 |
On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 8:10:22 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Statton wrote: > Well - actually, yes -- privacy survives the person. Your right to > privacy does not end when you die. I am not a lawyer, but I believe your right to privacy ends with death. For instance, I think a will is public record. The wills of famous people were routinely published in the newspaper. I'm pretty sure protection against libel and slander end. A dead terrorist or enemy compbatant has no right of privacy. Indeed, the rights of a captured terrorist or combatant are limited under the Geneva Convention. Uniformed regular soldiers have more rights than an non-uniformed commando. > If it is my fate to die in a horrible explosion, I will die on my feet > as a free man, not on my knees as a slave to an oppressive state. Frankly, I really do not want to die. > In case I did not make it clear -- the possibility of a bad actor, or > multiple bad actors working in concert to bring me (or other persons in > any number) harm is a minuscule price to pay for freedom. Death or serious physical harm is a loss of freedom. My privacy and freedom as a citizen are very important to me. But so is my life. If the cops came up to me and _honestly_ said they had good reason to believe someone was out to kill me and they wanted to see my emails to search out the killer, I would very likely let them. Obviously, these are not simple issues. Fifty years ago, our government told us our freedom was at stake, and to preserve it, we would be conscripted into the military and sent off to fight and possibly die in the jungles of a far away place. Our government either flat out lied to us or was utterly incompetent, all in the name of 'freedom'.
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 15:26 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dinjr0FhpclU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159754 |
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message news:78f603b7-84bc-46ea-bae3-6120be36b220@googlegroups.com... > On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 8:10:22 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Statton > wrote: > >> Well - actually, yes -- privacy survives the person. Your right to >> privacy does not end when you die. > > I am not a lawyer, but I believe your right to privacy ends with death. > For instance, I think a will is public record. Only in the stupid US system. And you don't have to have one either. > The wills of famous people were routinely published in the newspaper. > I'm pretty sure protection against libel and slander end. Yes, but that isnt privacy, that is libel and slander. > A dead terrorist or enemy compbatant has no right of privacy. Wrong. > Indeed, the rights of a captured terrorist or combatant > are limited under the Geneva Convention. Separate matter entirely to privacy. > Uniformed regular soldiers have more > rights than an non-uniformed commando. Not as far as privacy is concerned. >> If it is my fate to die in a horrible explosion, I will die on my feet >> as a free man, not on my knees as a slave to an oppressive state. > Frankly, I really do not want to die. You will anyway. >> In case I did not make it clear -- the possibility of a bad actor, or >> multiple bad actors working in concert to bring me (or other persons in >> any number) harm is a minuscule price to pay for freedom. > > Death or serious physical harm is a loss of freedom. > > My privacy and freedom as a citizen are very important to me. But so > is my life. If the cops came up to me and _honestly_ said they had > good reason to believe someone was out to kill me and they wanted to > see my emails to search out the killer, I would very likely let them. I wouldn't be stupid enough to refuse that. > Obviously, these are not simple issues. > > Fifty years ago, our government told us our freedom was at stake, No they did not. > and to preserve it, They didn't say that either. > we would be conscripted into the military and sent off > to fight and possibly die in the jungles of a far away place. Our > government either flat out lied to us or was utterly incompetent, all > in the name of 'freedom'. It wasn't in the name of freedom. Neither was Iraq or Afghanistan.
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 09:34 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <o7decbt81g7mdrifr4ktnv6fbgls9ghdca@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159744 |
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:10:20 -0600, Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> wrote: >JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >>>If they can't make their case some other way -- then the case does not >>>need making. >> >> That makes no sense. If the phone could contain info on additional >> terrorist activity then Apple should get off their collective ass and >> fix the phone so the info can be read. >> >> Dead terrorists have no privacy for anyone to be tauting fake concern >> for. > >Well - actually, yes -- privacy survives the person. Your right to >privacy does not end when you die. > >If it is my fate to die in a horrible explosion, I will die on my feet >as a free man, not on my knees as a slave to an oppressive state. > >In case I did not make it clear -- the possibility of a bad actor, or >multiple bad actors working in concert to bring me (or other persons in >any number) harm is a minuscule price to pay for freedom. I have no reasonable expectation of privacy after I die, I'll be dead. And its the terrorists who are doing the supression. While it is true that some government officials should b locked up for doing things that are evil, I don't see this instance as being one of them. And if Apple upgrades the iPhone OS after providing the backdoor, disabling the backdoor in all other iPhones, I don't see as anyone's privacy is in trouble. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned with the privacy of terrorists. The terrrorists chose to be that scummy way. Bleep them and their alleged privacy. -- JimP.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 16:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <inHxy.5423$hN1.693@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #159803 |
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >And if Apple upgrades the iPhone OS after providing the backdoor, >disabling the backdoor in all other iPhones, I don't see as anyone's >privacy is in trouble. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned with the >privacy of terrorists. The terrrorists chose to be that scummy way. >Bleep them and their alleged privacy. The problem with this statement is that anyone can be branded a terrorist by the government, generally with little to no recourse. It's the same problem with Gitmo. There is no recourse if some military flunky declares someone a terrorist. No writ of habeus corpus, no trial, nothing. You're taking the governments word a priori. Orwell used "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" in 1984 to justify intrusive surveillance. It has also been attributed to Goebbels.
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <3d0fcb5ls675l0m9gb9abgosnkd3labhq1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159809 |
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:26:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: >JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: > >>And if Apple upgrades the iPhone OS after providing the backdoor, >>disabling the backdoor in all other iPhones, I don't see as anyone's >>privacy is in trouble. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned with the >>privacy of terrorists. The terrrorists chose to be that scummy way. >>Bleep them and their alleged privacy. > > >The problem with this statement is that anyone can be branded a >terrorist by the government, generally with little to no recourse. > >It's the same problem with Gitmo. There is no recourse if >some military flunky declares someone a terrorist. No writ of habeus >corpus, no trial, nothing. You're taking the governments word a priori. > >Orwell used "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to >fear" in 1984 to justify intrusive surveillance. It has also been >attributed to Goebbels. The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. -- JimP.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 18:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <na87rt$vcg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159849 |
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:26:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) > wrote: > >>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >> >>>And if Apple upgrades the iPhone OS after providing the backdoor, >>>disabling the backdoor in all other iPhones, I don't see as anyone's >>>privacy is in trouble. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned with the >>>privacy of terrorists. The terrrorists chose to be that scummy way. >>>Bleep them and their alleged privacy. >> >> >>The problem with this statement is that anyone can be branded a >>terrorist by the government, generally with little to no recourse. >> >>It's the same problem with Gitmo. There is no recourse if >>some military flunky declares someone a terrorist. No writ of habeus >>corpus, no trial, nothing. You're taking the governments word a priori. >> >>Orwell used "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to >>fear" in 1984 to justify intrusive surveillance. It has also been >>attributed to Goebbels. > > The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far > as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. Two employees were engaged in a long term argument. One left, came back with a gun and settled the argument for good. Seeing terrorists under the bed isn't going to help anyone. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <224095646.477625194.041880.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159863 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:26:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >> wrote: >> >>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> And if Apple upgrades the iPhone OS after providing the backdoor, >>>> disabling the backdoor in all other iPhones, I don't see as anyone's >>>> privacy is in trouble. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned with the >>>> privacy of terrorists. The terrrorists chose to be that scummy way. >>>> Bleep them and their alleged privacy. >>> >>> >>> The problem with this statement is that anyone can be branded a >>> terrorist by the government, generally with little to no recourse. >>> >>> It's the same problem with Gitmo. There is no recourse if >>> some military flunky declares someone a terrorist. No writ of habeus >>> corpus, no trial, nothing. You're taking the governments word a priori. >>> >>> Orwell used "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to >>> fear" in 1984 to justify intrusive surveillance. It has also been >>> attributed to Goebbels. >> >> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. > > Two employees were engaged in a long term argument. > One left, came back with a gun and settled the argument for good. > > Seeing terrorists under the bed isn't going to help anyone. > I think you're skipping over a few facts. That was my first thought too, except for the shooters ISIS connections. -- Pete
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 23:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <na8q3d$nu5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159876 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:26:54 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>> wrote: >>> >>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> And if Apple upgrades the iPhone OS after providing the backdoor, >>>>> disabling the backdoor in all other iPhones, I don't see as anyone's >>>>> privacy is in trouble. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned with the >>>>> privacy of terrorists. The terrrorists chose to be that scummy way. >>>>> Bleep them and their alleged privacy. >>>> >>>> >>>> The problem with this statement is that anyone can be branded a >>>> terrorist by the government, generally with little to no recourse. >>>> >>>> It's the same problem with Gitmo. There is no recourse if >>>> some military flunky declares someone a terrorist. No writ of habeus >>>> corpus, no trial, nothing. You're taking the governments word a priori. >>>> >>>> Orwell used "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to >>>> fear" in 1984 to justify intrusive surveillance. It has also been >>>> attributed to Goebbels. >>> >>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >> >> Two employees were engaged in a long term argument. >> One left, came back with a gun and settled the argument for good. >> >> Seeing terrorists under the bed isn't going to help anyone. > > I think you're skipping over a few facts. That was my first thought too, > except for the shooters ISIS connections. Simply fan worship. What do you expect. The story is that he'd been having a ongoing battle with the guy for a long time. When you look at motive, there's no need to assume an outside agency. -- Dan Espen
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 19:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <93a82345-629a-496d-a66d-3c0400ad1121@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #159849 |
On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: > The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far > as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams mental illness. Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't pretty much already know?
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 19:59 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <diqo7lFbgbrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159894 |
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message news:93a82345-629a-496d-a66d-3c0400ad1121@googlegroups.com... > On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: > >> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. > > What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, > is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, > like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a > case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like > almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things > irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams > mental illness. And the data on their phone may well be useful to decide that. > Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other > mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't > pretty much already know? It would be very surprising if sometimes they didn't.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 07:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.313225387a95680e989f9c@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159894 |
In article <93a82345-629a-496d-a66d-3c0400ad1121@googlegroups.com>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says... > > On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: > > > The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far > > as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. > > What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, > is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, > like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a > case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like > almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things > irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams > mental illness. Survival 101--don't tell somebody you want to kill soldiers and then try to buy a black-market machine gun. > Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other > mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't > pretty much already know?
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| From | JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 10:30 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <rr4hcbpncbqa22ppmm8f531hef1i0gad39@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159894 |
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: > >> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. > >What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, >is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. >like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a >case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like >almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams >mental illness. The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. >Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other >mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't >pretty much already know? No idea. But for some years now telephones, home computers, rooms of apartments/homes, vehicles, etc. are gone through when someone shoots up a place and they are arrested or killed. This time one of the phones is locked in a way that doesn't allow the police to do one of these searches. That is the only difference fomr earlier shootouts. -- JimP.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 10:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <naa5rp$1is$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159946 |
On 2/20/2016 10:30 AM, JimP wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > >> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >> >>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >> >> What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, >> is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, > > At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists > been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. > I don't think "the freedoms here" have much to do with terrorism, aside from the domestic terrorists who bomb churches, murder abortion clinic workers, or seize/blow up federal buildings. It's when the freedoms "here" involve overthrowing/propping up regimes or sending military to influence events "there" that we become viewed as the enemy. >> like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a >> case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like >> almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >> irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams >> mental illness. > > The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited > relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. > >> Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other >> mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't >> pretty much already know? > > No idea. But for some years now telephones, home computers, rooms of > apartments/homes, vehicles, etc. are gone through when someone shoots > up a place and they are arrested or killed. > > This time one of the phones is locked in a way that doesn't allow the > police to do one of these searches. > > That is the only difference fomr earlier shootouts. > Now we're hearing that the reason it's different is that they couldn't back up to the icloud because _after_ law enforcement seized the phone, some moron (FBI? Health Department? they're not saying) changed the icloud password. Good going, guys!
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-21 04:25 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dirlt6Fj5efU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159958 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:naa5rp$1is$1@dont-email.me... > On 2/20/2016 10:30 AM, JimP wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >> >>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >>> >>>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >>> >>> What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even >>> doubtful, >>> is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, >> >> At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists >> been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. >> > I don't think "the freedoms here" have much to do with terrorism, aside > from the domestic terrorists who bomb churches, murder abortion clinic > workers, or seize/blow up federal buildings. It's when the freedoms "here" > involve overthrowing/propping up regimes or sending military to influence > events "there" that we become viewed as the enemy. And rightly so with terminal stupidities like Iraq, Vietnam, Panama and Afghanistan. >>> like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a >>> case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, >>> like >>> almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >>> irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost >>> screams >>> mental illness. >> >> The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited >> relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. >> >>> Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other >>> mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't >>> pretty much already know? >> >> No idea. But for some years now telephones, home computers, rooms of >> apartments/homes, vehicles, etc. are gone through when someone shoots >> up a place and they are arrested or killed. >> >> This time one of the phones is locked in a way that doesn't allow the >> police to do one of these searches. >> >> That is the only difference fomr earlier shootouts. >> > Now we're hearing that the reason it's different is that they couldn't > back up to the icloud because _after_ law enforcement seized the phone, > some moron (FBI? Health Department? they're not saying) changed the icloud > password. Good going, guys!
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <naagct177r@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159958 |
On 2016-02-20, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 2/20/2016 10:30 AM, JimP wrote: > >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >> >>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >>> >>>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >>> >>> What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, >>> is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, >> >> At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists >> been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. Either that or they didn't like people having that kind of freedom. > I don't think "the freedoms here" have much to do with terrorism, > aside from the domestic terrorists who bomb churches, murder abortion > clinic workers, or seize/blow up federal buildings. It's when the > freedoms "here" involve overthrowing/propping up regimes or sending > military to influence events "there" that we become viewed as the enemy. Those aren't freedoms, just prerogatives claimed by the government. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <981652615.477708373.965935.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159958 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 2/20/2016 10:30 AM, JimP wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >> >>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >>> >>>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >>> >>> What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, >>> is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, >> >> At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists >> been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. >> > I don't think "the freedoms here" have much to do with terrorism, > aside from the domestic terrorists who bomb churches, murder abortion > clinic workers, or seize/blow up federal buildings. It's when the > freedoms "here" involve overthrowing/propping up regimes or sending > military to influence events "there" that we become viewed as the enemy. > >>> like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a >>> case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like >>> almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >>> irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams >>> mental illness. >> >> The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited >> relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. >> >>> Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other >>> mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't >>> pretty much already know? >> >> No idea. But for some years now telephones, home computers, rooms of >> apartments/homes, vehicles, etc. are gone through when someone shoots >> up a place and they are arrested or killed. >> >> This time one of the phones is locked in a way that doesn't allow the >> police to do one of these searches. >> >> That is the only difference fomr earlier shootouts. >> > Now we're hearing that the reason it's different is that they couldn't > back up to the icloud because _after_ law enforcement seized the > phone, some moron (FBI? Health Department? they're not saying) changed > the icloud password. Good going, guys! > Well, what did s/he change it too? Pulling out a few fingernails migh aid his recollection. -- Pete
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-21 13:26 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dislibFqtidU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159999 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:981652615.477708373.965935.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: >> On 2/20/2016 10:30 AM, JimP wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >>>> >>>>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>>>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >>>> >>>> What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even >>>> doubtful, >>>> is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, >>> >>> At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists >>> been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. >>> >> I don't think "the freedoms here" have much to do with terrorism, >> aside from the domestic terrorists who bomb churches, murder abortion >> clinic workers, or seize/blow up federal buildings. It's when the >> freedoms "here" involve overthrowing/propping up regimes or sending >> military to influence events "there" that we become viewed as the enemy. >> >>>> like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was >>>> a >>>> case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, >>>> like >>>> almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >>>> irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost >>>> screams >>>> mental illness. >>> >>> The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited >>> relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. >>> >>>> Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other >>>> mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't >>>> pretty much already know? >>> >>> No idea. But for some years now telephones, home computers, rooms of >>> apartments/homes, vehicles, etc. are gone through when someone shoots >>> up a place and they are arrested or killed. >>> >>> This time one of the phones is locked in a way that doesn't allow the >>> police to do one of these searches. >>> >>> That is the only difference fomr earlier shootouts. >>> >> Now we're hearing that the reason it's different is that they couldn't >> back up to the icloud because _after_ law enforcement seized the >> phone, some moron (FBI? Health Department? they're not saying) >> changed the icloud password. Good going, guys! > Well, what did s/he change it too? Pulling out a few fingernails migh aid > his recollection. That's not the problem. The problem is that change stopped the phone doing an automatic backup to the cloud and so they can't now attempt to get the data they want out of the cloud which is easy for Apple to allow them to do brute force attacks on to try and work out the original passcode and so be able to decrypt what has been backed up to the cloud.
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-21 04:16 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dirlb3Fj11gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159946 |
"JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rr4hcbpncbqa22ppmm8f531hef1i0gad39@4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > >>On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >> >>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >> >>What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, >>is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, > > At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists > been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. > >>like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a >>case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like >>almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >>irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams >>mental illness. > > The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited > relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. They're mostly still into arranged marriages with the women from back where they came from. Its been fascinating to watch the kurds I know still doing that today, mostly marrying the kids off as soon as they completely highschool. There has been just one exception in the family I know well, and even he was monstered into doing it when he was 30 or so. That one failed, I haven't been able to get a straight story out of them yet about what happened, whether her family decided that he was much too old or he changed his mine at the last minute, but that is because I haven't had a chance to ask the one who always tells me the full story who is in fact the latest to have got married off. I keep ribbing the youngest who is only 13 every time they head back to Turkey in a massive group so large that they can't even do a single joint booking that if he doesn't watch out they will marry him off this time too. Get one hell of a scowl every time I rib him like that. I will be fascinating to see how that pans out with him when he leaves school at 18 etc. >>Presumably, they go through the computers and telephones of other >>mass shooters. But they do they ever find anything that they didn't >>pretty much already know? > > No idea. But for some years now telephones, home computers, rooms of > apartments/homes, vehicles, etc. are gone through when someone shoots > up a place and they are arrested or killed. > > This time one of the phones is locked in a way that doesn't allow the > police to do one of these searches. > > That is the only difference fomr earlier shootouts. Indeed.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1121493960.477708458.941322.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159962 |
hgww <hgww@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "JimP" <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:rr4hcbpncbqa22ppmm8f531hef1i0gad39@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:34:38 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >> >>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 3:59:01 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote: >>> >>>> The two dead terrorists shot up a Christmas party. They didn't, as far >>>> as we know, merely 'look suspicious'. >>> >>> What apparently remains unknown at this point, and possibly even doubtful, >>> is whether they were actually hostile foreign "terrorists", that is, >> >> At least one of them was born in the U.S. But so have other terrorists >> been born here. It appears they didn't see the freedoms here. >> >>> like the ones who attacked the WTC and Pentagon. Or, whether this was a >>> case of workplace violence, or perhaps some nutjobs murdering others, like >>> almost all of the mass shootings in the U.S. There were so many things >>> irrational/illogical about this particular tragedy that it almost screams >>> mental illness. >> >> The man was aparently contented until he went back home and visited >> relatives, then met the woman he was shot up the party with. > > They're mostly still into arranged marriages with the women > from back where they came from. Its been fascinating to watch > the kurds I know still doing that today, mostly marrying the kids > off as soon as they completely highschool. > > There has been just one exception in the family I know well, > and even he was monstered into doing it when he was 30 or > so. That one failed, I haven't been able to get a straight story > out of them yet about what happened, whether her family > decided that he was much too old or he changed his mine > at the last minute, but that is because I haven't had a chance > to ask the one who always tells me the full story who is in > fact the latest to have got married off. > > I keep ribbing the youngest who is only 13 every time they > head back to Turkey in a massive group so large that they > can't even do a single joint booking that if he doesn't watch > out they will marry him off this time too. Get one hell of a > scowl every time I rib him like that. I will be fascinating to > see how that pans out with him when he leaves school at > 18 etc. > This is not new, or unique to middle-easternerners. Many times men from scandanavia, ireland, or italy, if they didn't already have a girl they wanted to marry, would write back to their relatives and ask them to find a nice girl from their village for them to marry. It took another generation or so for intermarriage to become common. Irish and Italian is a standing joke. -- Pete
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