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| Started by | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| First post | 2016-02-16 10:37 -0600 |
| Last post | 2016-02-19 12:55 -0600 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 317 — 37 participants |
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Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 10:37 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 09:54 -0800
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-16 19:41 +0100
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-16 21:11 +0100
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 02:16 +0100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 22:05 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 23:35 +0100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-16 18:52 -0700
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:13 +1100
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-17 04:53 +0100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:21 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:24 +1100
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:07 +0100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:02 +0000
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:01 +0000
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-17 14:01 -0500
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:09 -0800
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 20:45 -0700
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-17 22:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 11:16 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:44 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:00 +1100
Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-18 02:12 +0000
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-17 22:47 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:10 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 21:29 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:56 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 23:15 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:35 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-18 17:58 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:44 +1100
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-17 20:44 -0800
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 08:03 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:14 -0600
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 19:10 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 20:13 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:26 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:26 +0000
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 18:21 -0500
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 23:32 -0500
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:34 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 19:59 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 07:25 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:30 -0600
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-20 10:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:25 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:26 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:16 +1100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:22 +1100
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 17:36 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:01 +1100
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 16:26 -0800
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-21 13:52 -0800
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-21 18:51 -0500
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:18 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 15:03 +1100
Re: Ransomware Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2016-02-20 16:12 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 15:59 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:59 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:36 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 17:01 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 18:54 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 19:48 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 16:20 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 18:17 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:53 -0800
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 21:33 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:23 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 14:48 +1100
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:56 -0800
Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-19 23:18 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:35 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:12 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-20 15:33 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:11 +1100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 18:43 -0700
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 20:00 -0800
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 01:51 -0700
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 19:40 -0800
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:46 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 23:55 -0600
Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 10:48 +0000
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:56 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:50 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:29 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-19 16:54 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 17:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-20 08:30 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-20 15:29 +0000
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton NK1G <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-20 10:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-20 11:03 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:14 -0600
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 16:27 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 09:49 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:29 +1100
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:53 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:42 +1100
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 14:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:24 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:53 +1100
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:15 +0000
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 17:55 -0800
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:19 -0500
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:46 -0500
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-18 18:01 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 14:36 -0500
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 11:23 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-19 09:28 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:19 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 10:24 -0700
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-18 12:27 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:22 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-19 00:07 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 18:34 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:41 -0500
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 07:43 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:13 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-19 08:01 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:50 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-18 13:34 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:34 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:33 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 21:04 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 13:46 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:34 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:47 +1100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-02-18 11:03 -0500
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 19:21 +0000
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-18 20:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-18 21:19 +0000
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:48 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 14:12 +0000
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:54 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:29 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 10:42 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-21 15:48 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:43 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:55 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:53 +1100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-23 13:13 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 04:49 +1100
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-21 19:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 16:19 +0000
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:08 -0800
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-19 18:18 -0800
Re: Ransomware mausg@mail.com - 2016-02-19 18:10 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ibmekon <Ibmekon> - 2016-02-19 21:43 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 09:52 +1100
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-19 16:53 -0800
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 18:37 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:32 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 11:13 -0600
Re: Ransomware Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-02-16 17:57 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 14:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 03:42 +0000
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-17 08:05 +0000
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-17 12:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name,invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:21 +0100
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-17 07:38 -0700
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-18 12:10 -0600
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:34 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-18 12:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-16 12:49 -0800
Re: Ransomware Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2016-02-16 16:55 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-16 17:31 -0600
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 16:11 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:26 +1100
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 11:19 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-17 12:05 -0600
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:58 -0600
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:41 -0700
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 18:39 -0800
Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-16 16:44 -0400
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-16 15:30 -0600
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-17 00:20 +0100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-02-17 18:48 -0500
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 16:46 +0100
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-18 11:06 -0800
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 14:43 -0500
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 14:06 -0600
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 15:48 -0500
Re: Ransomware "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-02-18 15:36 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:30 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-18 19:38 -0500
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:43 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 00:51 +0100
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:45 +0000
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-19 15:00 +0100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 07:01 -0700
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-19 10:16 -0500
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 11:19 -0700
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-19 18:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 12:54 -0700
Re: Ransomware Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-02-20 17:46 -0800
Re: Ransomware JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:08 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-02-23 16:01 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:24 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 04:58 +1100
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-19 13:40 +0000
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:06 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 10:11 +1100
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 21:44 +0100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:13 +1100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-19 17:08 +0100
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:41 +1100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 09:35 +0100
Re: Ransomware Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-21 10:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 16:48 +0100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-21 18:40 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 01:53 +0100
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 18:36 -0700
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 00:12 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 09:37 +0100
Re: Ransomware Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:17 -0500
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:29 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 09:42 -0500
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 15:52 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-02-22 10:23 -0500
Re: Ransomware using libc scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-22 17:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 20:29 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-22 19:38 +0000
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 21:31 +0100
Re: Ransomware using libc Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:17 +0000
Re: Ransomware using libc Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 14:41 -0600
Re: Ransomware using libc Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:07 +0100
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:16 -0700
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 17:21 +0100
Re: Ransomware Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-02-22 09:34 -0700
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 11:11 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 18:25 +0100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 15:15 -0600
Re: Ransomware Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-02-22 22:28 +0100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-22 21:46 -0600
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:05 +1100
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 05:31 +1100
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-18 13:56 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-19 14:24 +0000
Re: Ransomware "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 05:16 +1100
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-19 17:09 -0600
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:55 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-22 14:07 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 07:15 +1100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 18:30 -0500
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-23 01:49 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:09 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:03 +1100
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:12 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:29 -0500
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 13:35 -0600
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-20 09:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-20 07:30 -0700
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 11:11 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 04:05 +1100
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 11:55 +0000
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 14:04 +0100
Re: Ransomware Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-02-21 13:57 +0000
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-21 23:28 +0000
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:34 +1100
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:32 +1100
Re: Ransomware Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-21 12:14 -0600
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:47 +1100
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 14:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-02-17 15:20 -0600
Re: Ransomware scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-02-17 21:31 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2016-02-18 08:23 +0000
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:42 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:23 -0500
Re: Ransomware Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2016-02-18 11:43 -0600
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:48 -0500
Re: Ransomware hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-02-16 17:04 -0800
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:42 +1100
Re: Ransomware Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-17 04:17 +0000
Re: Ransomware Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-02-17 04:08 -0400
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:04 +0000
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0500
Re: Ransomware Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-18 13:38 +0100
Re: Ransomware "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 17:57 -0500
Re: Ransomware "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:24 +1100
Re: Ransomware usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000
Re: Ransomware Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-02-17 16:43 -0800
Re: Ransomware jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000
Re: Ransomware Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2016-02-19 12:55 -0600
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| From | usenet@only.tnx (Questor) |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 23:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <56c4fc34.6738599@nntp2.rawbw.com> |
| In reply to | #159529 |
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:20:49 +0100, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote: >My mom was very careful with the web sites she visited, and still her XP >machines had ~100 new instances of malware after a month. It got to be a >quite tall order to keep cleaning. > >There are lots of "spelling trapdoors" out there, like micros0ft.com, etc. Not letting your relatives run as admin makes cleanup a *lot* easier.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-02-17 18:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1602171847260.23886@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #159616 |
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016, Questor wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:20:49 +0100, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> > wrote: >> My mom was very careful with the web sites she visited, and still her XP >> machines had ~100 new instances of malware after a month. It got to be a >> quite tall order to keep cleaning. >> >> There are lots of "spelling trapdoors" out there, like micros0ft.com, etc. > > Not letting your relatives run as admin makes cleanup a *lot* easier. > > Someone locally, who is an actual system administrator, he set up Linux for his grandmother (I think it was) and kept the root account for himself. And he administers it remotely, just like at work on a big system. Michael
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 13:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #159618 |
Michael Black wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 2016, Questor wrote: > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:20:49 +0100, Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> >> wrote: >>> My mom was very careful with the web sites she visited, and still her XP >>> machines had ~100 new instances of malware after a month. It got to be a >>> quite tall order to keep cleaning. >>> >>> There are lots of "spelling trapdoors" out there, like micros0ft.com, etc. >> >> Not letting your relatives run as admin makes cleanup a *lot* easier. >> >> > Someone locally, who is an actual system administrator, he set up Linux > for his grandmother (I think it was) and kept the root account for > himself. And he administers it remotely, just like at work on a big > system. The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. /BAH
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@Last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 16:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qi5hpc-531.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #159666 |
In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >Michael Black wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2016, Questor wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:20:49 +0100, Morten Reistad ><first@last.name.invalid> >>> wrote: >>>> My mom was very careful with the web sites she visited, and still her XP >>>> machines had ~100 new instances of malware after a month. It got to be a >>>> quite tall order to keep cleaning. >>>> >>>> There are lots of "spelling trapdoors" out there, like micros0ft.com, etc. >>> >>> Not letting your relatives run as admin makes cleanup a *lot* easier. >>> >>> >> Someone locally, who is an actual system administrator, he set up Linux >> for his grandmother (I think it was) and kept the root account for >> himself. And he administers it remotely, just like at work on a big >> system. > >The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the >grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. > >/BAH Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid complaint. Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. -- mrr
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 11:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3e5ccbhu2kg2dn3mfl7qm76gnoikngfaid@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #159673 |
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad
<first@Last.name.invalid> wrote:
>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>,
>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the
>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the
>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system.
>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid
>complaint.
>
>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is
>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google,
>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do.
Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it
really just one answer. If they are different, how does a
non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does
such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first
place?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 14:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <na56o1$egs$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159708 |
Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad > <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: > >>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > > [snip] > >>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the >>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. > >>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>complaint. Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. > > Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it > really just one answer. If they are different, how does a > non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does > such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first > place? You get different answers because there is more than one solution. This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear which ones work best. -- Dan Espen
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 14:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dimmhnFauj3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159712 |
"Dan Espen" wrote: > Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >> >>>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the >>>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >> >>>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>complaint. > > Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over > the years I read her crap. Wooden head. > >>>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >> >> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >> place? > > You get different answers because there is more than one solution. > This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote > on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear > which ones work best. That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no secret word.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 15:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159715 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: > "Dan Espen" wrote: > >> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: >> >>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >>> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the >>>>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >>> >>>>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>>complaint. >> >> Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over >> the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >> >>>>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >>> >>> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >>> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >>> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >>> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >>> place? >> >> You get different answers because there is more than one solution. >> This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote >> on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear >> which ones work best. > > That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ > possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. > Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big > empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no > secret word. No secret knowledge required. Type in the subject, error message, whatever. Google comes back and stackexchange presents itself. That's not the only site with good info either. I have never gone directly to stackexchange for an answer, that just one of many sites where good help is freely available. Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. Mozilla makes a good showing too. -- Dan Espen
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 15:36 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dimrr1Fcb86U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159717 |
"Dan Espen" wrote: > "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: > >> "Dan Espen" wrote: >> >>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: >>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >>>> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for >>>>>>the >>>>>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >>>> >>>>>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>>>complaint. >>> >>> Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over >>> the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >>> >>>>>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>>>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>>>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >>>> >>>> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >>>> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >>>> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >>>> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >>>> place? >>> >>> You get different answers because there is more than one solution. >>> This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote >>> on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear >>> which ones work best. >> >> That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ >> possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. >> Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big >> empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no >> secret word. > > No secret knowledge required. > > Type in the subject, error message, whatever. > Google comes back and stackexchange presents itself. > > That's not the only site with good info either. > > I have never gone directly to stackexchange for an answer, that just one > of many sites where good help is freely available. > > Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. > Mozilla makes a good showing too. I once got some nasty malware from clicking on a google provided link on the first page of results. YMMV.
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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 10:30 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <din2hfFdvt7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #159723 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message news:dimrr1Fcb86U1@mid.individual.net... > "Dan Espen" wrote: > >> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: >> >>> "Dan Espen" wrote: >>> >>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >>>>> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>>>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>>>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >>>>> >>>>>>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>>>>complaint. >>>> >>>> Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over >>>> the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >>>> >>>>>>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>>>>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>>>>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >>>>> >>>>> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >>>>> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >>>>> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >>>>> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >>>>> place? >>>> >>>> You get different answers because there is more than one solution. >>>> This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote >>>> on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear >>>> which ones work best. >>> >>> That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ >>> possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. >>> Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big >>> empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no >>> secret word. >> >> No secret knowledge required. >> >> Type in the subject, error message, whatever. >> Google comes back and stackexchange presents itself. >> >> That's not the only site with good info either. >> >> I have never gone directly to stackexchange for an answer, that just one >> of many sites where good help is freely available. >> >> Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. >> Mozilla makes a good showing too. > > I once got some nasty malware from clicking on a google provided link on > the first page of results. YMMV. Trivially avoidable by running a decent antivirus that checks the links.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 19:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <na5o01$g2h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159723 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: > "Dan Espen" wrote: > >> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: >> >>> "Dan Espen" wrote: >>> >>>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >>>>> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>>>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>>> The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available >>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>>>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >>>>> >>>>>>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>>>>complaint. >>>> >>>> Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over >>>> the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >>>> >>>>>>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>>>>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>>>>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >>>>> >>>>> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >>>>> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >>>>> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >>>>> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >>>>> place? >>>> >>>> You get different answers because there is more than one solution. >>>> This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote >>>> on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear >>>> which ones work best. >>> >>> That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ >>> possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. >>> Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big >>> empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no >>> secret word. >> >> No secret knowledge required. >> >> Type in the subject, error message, whatever. >> Google comes back and stackexchange presents itself. >> >> That's not the only site with good info either. >> >> I have never gone directly to stackexchange for an answer, that just one >> of many sites where good help is freely available. >> >> Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. >> Mozilla makes a good showing too. > > I once got some nasty malware from clicking on a google provided link > on the first page of results. YMMV. I've seen that, those Windows download sites come up as the only hits and I think they're all not to be trusted. I'm not going to find any malware for Linux no matter how hard I look. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-18 21:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <na5dt60fav@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #159717 |
On 2016-02-18, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: > >> "Dan Espen" wrote: >> >>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: >>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >>>> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>>> The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the >>>>>> grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>>> docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >>>>> >>>>> Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>>> complaint. >>> >>> Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over >>> the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >>> >>>>> Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>>> available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>>> and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >>>> >>>> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >>>> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >>>> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >>>> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >>>> place? >>> >>> You get different answers because there is more than one solution. >>> This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote >>> on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear >>> which ones work best. >> >> That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ >> possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. >> Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big >> empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no >> secret word. > > No secret knowledge required. > > Type in the subject, error message, whatever. > Google comes back and stackexchange presents itself. > > That's not the only site with good info either. > > I have never gone directly to stackexchange for an answer, that just one > of many sites where good help is freely available. > > Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. > Mozilla makes a good showing too. "But I don't want to do all that work! I want to click on a button and have it work by itself!" And along comes Apple, or Microsoft, or some fly-by-night operator, claiming that they do have this magic button - and the lusers fall for it. (There is no magic button, but the myth is so seductive...) -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 00:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <f02ipc-kd2.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #159717 |
In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: > >> "Dan Espen" wrote: >> >>> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes: >>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:46:02 +0100, Morten Reistad >>>> <first@Last.name.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>In article <PM00052C0B6D1C5E03@aca4282e.ipt.aol.com>, >>>>>jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>>>The biggest problem is that there is no documentation available for the >>>>>>grandmother to know what she has to do to be a sysadmin. Most of the >>>>>>docs available are addressed to a user, not an owner, of a system. >>>> >>>>>Barb, you need to fast forward from ca 1996, when this was a valid >>>>>complaint. >>> >>> Pointless to tell her. She got the same answer multiple times over >>> the years I read her crap. Wooden head. >>> >>>>>Now you can pick and choose the materials you like. A lot of it is >>>>>available on the net, and is well indexed. I usually just ask google, >>>>>and get a list of at least a dozen good answers whenever I do. >>>> >>>> Why a dozen answers? Are they all the same? If so, then it >>>> really just one answer. If they are different, how does a >>>> non-technical person determine which is the correct answer? How does >>>> such a person determine that any of the answers are good in the first >>>> place? >>> >>> You get different answers because there is more than one solution. >>> This works well. Take a look at stackexchange where the users vote >>> on the best answer. You get multiple answers and it's pretty clear >>> which ones work best. >> >> That shows that reliable and non-harmful communication _can be_ >> possible. But you happened to know the secret word, stackexchange. >> Now visualize grandma in her living room surrounded by several big >> empty cardboard boxes and a bunch of little black wire ties, and no >> secret word. > >No secret knowledge required. > >Type in the subject, error message, whatever. >Google comes back and stackexchange presents itself. > >That's not the only site with good info either. > >I have never gone directly to stackexchange for an answer, that just one >of many sites where good help is freely available. > >Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. >Mozilla makes a good showing too. Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on the front page of the first boot screen. All the documentation you can reasonably as for is a network access away. -- mrr
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 13:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <y%Exy.149$gn2.72@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #159767 |
Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. >>Mozilla makes a good showing too. > >Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on >the front page of the first boot screen. All the documentation >you can reasonably as for is a network access away. Another example from my Fathers ubuntu system - last week he could no longer get network access. How do you debug that without network access (fortunately he has an ipad and another desktop system as a backup)? It appears that either an update has hosed his ethernet device driver or the ethernet chip has gone bad (again I'm diagnosing from 2000 miles away). The link light on the switch and on the PHY on the computer is illuminated, but ethtool shows 'link detected: no'. Attempting to read the kernel logs over the phone is fruitless when the person on the other end has no idea what to look for. Solution is to order a usb-ethernet adapter and give that a try when it arrives this weekend.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20160219150006.4ad8b625@maxa-pc> |
| In reply to | #159781 |
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:45:02 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: > >In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen > ><despen@verizon.net> wrote: > > >>Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. > >>Mozilla makes a good showing too. > > > >Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on > >the front page of the first boot screen. All the documentation > >you can reasonably as for is a network access away. > > Another example from my Fathers ubuntu system - last week he > could no longer get network access. How do you debug that > without network access (fortunately he has an ipad and another > desktop system as a backup)? > > It appears that either an update has hosed his ethernet device > driver or the ethernet chip has gone bad (again I'm diagnosing from > 2000 miles away). The link light on the switch and on the PHY on > the computer is illuminated, but ethtool shows 'link detected: no'. > > Attempting to read the kernel logs over the phone is fruitless > when the person on the other end has no idea what to look for. > > Solution is to order a usb-ethernet adapter and give that a try when > it arrives this weekend. I don't let my parents update at all. I perform that every 3 months or so ;p
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 07:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <528816624.477582927.161579.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159781 |
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >> In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > >>> Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. >>> Mozilla makes a good showing too. >> >> Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on >> the front page of the first boot screen. All the documentation >> you can reasonably as for is a network access away. > > Another example from my Fathers ubuntu system - last week he > could no longer get network access. How do you debug that > without network access (fortunately he has an ipad and another > desktop system as a backup)? > > It appears that either an update has hosed his ethernet device > driver or the ethernet chip has gone bad (again I'm diagnosing from > 2000 miles away). The link light on the switch and on the PHY on > the computer is illuminated, but ethtool shows 'link detected: no'. > > Attempting to read the kernel logs over the phone is fruitless > when the person on the other end has no idea what to look for. > > Solution is to order a usb-ethernet adapter and give that a try when > it arrives this weekend. > This stuff's a bitch. I don't know what the testing process is, but the developers can't possibly test all combinations of H/W and S/W. Windoze has such a large user base that a bad update will be smoked out quickly. Apple solves the problem by restricting the variety of hardware it runs on. Linux is pretty good, but a larger user base to help catch this stuff would be good. I spent a lot of time trying to get Fedora to run with a Radeon video chip. I posted several reports to bugzilla and tried a lot of different stuff myself. Finally a switch to Ubuntu solved my problem. -- Pete
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 10:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <na7bee$6of$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #159786 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>> In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>>> Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. Mozilla >>>> makes a good showing too. >>> >>> Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on the front >>> page of the first boot screen. All the documentation you can >>> reasonably as for is a network access away. >> >> Another example from my Fathers ubuntu system - last week he could >> no longer get network access. How do you debug that without network >> access (fortunately he has an ipad and another desktop system as a >> backup)? >> >> It appears that either an update has hosed his ethernet device >> driver or the ethernet chip has gone bad (again I'm diagnosing from >> 2000 miles away). The link light on the switch and on the PHY on the >> computer is illuminated, but ethtool shows 'link detected: no'. >> >> Attempting to read the kernel logs over the phone is fruitless when >> the person on the other end has no idea what to look for. >> >> Solution is to order a usb-ethernet adapter and give that a try when >> it arrives this weekend. >> > > This stuff's a bitch. I don't know what the testing process is, but > the developers can't possibly test all combinations of H/W and S/W. > Windoze has such a large user base that a bad update will be smoked > out quickly. Apple solves the problem by restricting the variety of > hardware it runs on. > Linux is pretty good, but a larger user base to help catch this stuff > would be good. > > I spent a lot of time trying to get Fedora to run with a Radeon video > chip. I posted several reports to bugzilla and tried a lot of > different stuff myself. Finally a switch to Ubuntu solved my problem. You might have found the cause in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Look for lines containing "(EE)". -- Dan Espen
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 11:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <964728277.477597839.291774.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159800 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > >> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>>> In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. Mozilla >>>>> makes a good showing too. >>>> >>>> Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on the front >>>> page of the first boot screen. All the documentation you can >>>> reasonably as for is a network access away. >>> >>> Another example from my Fathers ubuntu system - last week he could >>> no longer get network access. How do you debug that without network >>> access (fortunately he has an ipad and another desktop system as a >>> backup)? >>> >>> It appears that either an update has hosed his ethernet device >>> driver or the ethernet chip has gone bad (again I'm diagnosing from >>> 2000 miles away). The link light on the switch and on the PHY on the >>> computer is illuminated, but ethtool shows 'link detected: no'. >>> >>> Attempting to read the kernel logs over the phone is fruitless when >>> the person on the other end has no idea what to look for. >>> >>> Solution is to order a usb-ethernet adapter and give that a try when >>> it arrives this weekend. >>> >> >> This stuff's a bitch. I don't know what the testing process is, but >> the developers can't possibly test all combinations of H/W and S/W. >> Windoze has such a large user base that a bad update will be smoked >> out quickly. Apple solves the problem by restricting the variety of >> hardware it runs on. >> Linux is pretty good, but a larger user base to help catch this stuff >> would be good. >> >> I spent a lot of time trying to get Fedora to run with a Radeon video >> chip. I posted several reports to bugzilla and tried a lot of >> different stuff myself. Finally a switch to Ubuntu solved my problem. > > You might have found the cause in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Look for lines > containing "(EE)". > Did that, but the root cause was unclear. It first looked like a X problem. I finally realized it was a driver problem, but then spent a lot of time trying to nail it down and search for a (nonexistant) solution. -- Pete
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 11:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <638046162.477598608.022083.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #159828 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >>>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> writes: >>>>> In article <na5agu$u3m$1@dont-email.me>, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Also notable, the forums for Ubuntu, Arch Linux, Fedora. Mozilla >>>>>> makes a good showing too. >>>>> >>>>> Ubuntu and respbian both come up with links right there on the front >>>>> page of the first boot screen. All the documentation you can >>>>> reasonably as for is a network access away. >>>> >>>> Another example from my Fathers ubuntu system - last week he could >>>> no longer get network access. How do you debug that without network >>>> access (fortunately he has an ipad and another desktop system as a >>>> backup)? >>>> >>>> It appears that either an update has hosed his ethernet device >>>> driver or the ethernet chip has gone bad (again I'm diagnosing from >>>> 2000 miles away). The link light on the switch and on the PHY on the >>>> computer is illuminated, but ethtool shows 'link detected: no'. >>>> >>>> Attempting to read the kernel logs over the phone is fruitless when >>>> the person on the other end has no idea what to look for. >>>> >>>> Solution is to order a usb-ethernet adapter and give that a try when >>>> it arrives this weekend. >>>> >>> >>> This stuff's a bitch. I don't know what the testing process is, but >>> the developers can't possibly test all combinations of H/W and S/W. >>> Windoze has such a large user base that a bad update will be smoked >>> out quickly. Apple solves the problem by restricting the variety of >>> hardware it runs on. >>> Linux is pretty good, but a larger user base to help catch this stuff >>> would be good. >>> >>> I spent a lot of time trying to get Fedora to run with a Radeon video >>> chip. I posted several reports to bugzilla and tried a lot of >>> different stuff myself. Finally a switch to Ubuntu solved my problem. >> >> You might have found the cause in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Look for lines >> containing "(EE)". >> > > Did that, but the root cause was unclear. It first looked like a X > problem. I finally realized it was a driver problem, but then spent a lot > of time trying to nail it down and search for a (nonexistant) solution. > > Followup: The (EE) messages were issued by the X client. Much earlier in the log there was a _warning_ message that identified the problem. Designing good error messages is an art. -- Pete
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2016-02-19 18:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20160219185553.0cfa96dd0cee468efd9ee8b3@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #159832 |
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:19:38 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Followup: The (EE) messages were issued by the X client. Much earlier in > the log there was a _warning_ message that identified the problem. > Designing good error messages is an art. What ? Sorry ? How ? TBF they were better than many much more verbose error messages I've seen. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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